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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am so frustrated...Re: gun control
So here we are again! When will we learn? When will we value lives over money?
Just to recap:
First recorded mass shooting was at a school all the way back to 1764 in which 10 people were killed.
Until 1998 there were 7 mass school shootings in the history of the US. Since then, over a 100!
In 1966 Charles Whitman killed 18 from the tower of the University of Texas and we as a nation couldn't believe it. Few of us had ever heard of anything like that happening.
Thirty years ago those going to a McDonald's in California had their lunch upended in a Mass shooting
killing 27 and we held a moment of silence
only to be interrupted by the volley of the rounds of the next major mass shooting: patrons in a cafeteria in Texas were gunned down killing 23
and we had a moment of silence to be awakened again by the mass shooting at Columbine
killing 15
and that familiar pattern emerges and we wring our hands and watch in horror when 32 sons and daughters die as their parents send them off to get a degree at college.
We talk a good talk and let the momentum die as we grieve over what might have been for the 27 little innocents murdered at a grade school in Newtown, CT
and all the tears and vigils did nothing except make us collectively despair!
we shake our heads and mourn over the shooting deaths of 6 children of the Amish peace community of Nickel Mine, PA and we rage...
and once again we stare at the tv, pray, head to vigils in response to the worst mass shooting ever but will this time be the straw that breaks the malaise of the collective body?
We have more guns than people, we have had 988 Mass shootings since Newton, we have the life and promise of 89 people EACH DAY end. 11,200 people are murdered each year and an additional 21,100 die from guns each year
Other civilized nations look at us and wonder...
We have had mass shootings at post offices, grade schools, high schools, colleges, theaters, fast food places, military installations, houses of worship!
What's it gonna take...outrage, activism, perhaps a general strike....most of all we need to be supporting those who are advocating for gun control and remembering to vote out those who accept the NRA bribes!
Now is the time, it was the time years ago, it is past time....yes grieve, keep up with the prayers and vigils but make life politically uncomfortable for those who live at the NRA teat... get this done! GUN CONTROL NOW!!!!
scscholar
(2,902 posts)is more important than children.
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)What happens when a Hard Core Right Wing Republican is elected and decides all left wing people posting on an anonymous message board need to be identified and jailed, with NO due process?
Are you for that, or against it? Keep in mind, a denial of ANY right, with no due process is a very, very slippery slope.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)We need to remember how partisans think:
My side infringes on right X for goal Y: GOOD
Their side infringes on right X for goal Z: EVIL!!!!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)A lot of us remember the Bush years when lack of due process for no fly lists was unconscionable.
But when Dems do it it is okay?
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Why didn't the Dems vote for the Republican amendments if they wanted to do at least something?
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And politics Trump's saving lives, so sick
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)One must be on one side of the fence, the opposition on the other.
It's all or nothing.
Sadly, it's nothing rather than being seen as "co-operating" with the other side.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)Not every kind of arms.
People on the no fly list should not be able to buy certain classes of weapons. (don't try the nomenclature bull on me either- that is tired old crap). Semi automatic long guns and pistols.
That would be a start. Then apply it to everyone.
How's that for due process?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Due process to challenge your list and your accuser. Hard to do if it is a secret Bush list that an anonymous person just adds you to.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)It's called "regulation"
as in "well regulated militia."
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)"Well-regulated" back in the day meant well functioning and trained.
Applying modern definitions to words of yesterday simply confuse the issue.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)Just not any gun you want though?
Response to XRubicon (Reply #17)
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XRubicon
(2,212 posts)You are free to buy a gun, just not any kind of gun you want.
You gun people are feeling it tonight eh? Hitting a little too close, something may actually happen.
gopiscrap
(23,674 posts)librarylu
(503 posts)Another. Hobby.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)sanatanadharma
(3,639 posts)All illegally acquired, possessed and used guns were originally in the hands of legal gun wielders; manufacture, sale, resale, lost & stolen.
The legal gun world is the problem.
When one is dangerously contagious, civil rights are violated by forced quarantine.
The 2nd amendment is the scratch on America's heart that is infected and festered by the dirty hands of the NRAterrorist mis-leaders.
Gun violence is a public health issue
Gun violence is carried by gun wielders
Until our leaders figure out what is going on in this country, gun wielders need to be profiled and quarantined,
until shown that they are not a public health risk
Uncomfortable truth, many causes of gun violence...
...but only one constant, the wielder of the gun!
Perhaps the wielder of the gun...
...didn't know it was loaded
...didn't expect the bullet to go through the wall
...thought the backyard shooting range was safe
...was radicalized by ISIS
...never expected the kids to find it
...was radicalized by Christian LGBT hate sermons
...woke from a PTSD dream to find a dead wife
...was radicalized by racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynist, conspiracy deluded neighbors
...was mentally unbalanced
...was jaded by onscreen violence and sought a better 'rush'
...was radicalized by NRAterrorist leaders
...needed a bigger ego
...needed to blow out own ego's brains
...needed to take vengeance on the rival gang
...forgot the gun in the privy
...is the gang banger who found the gun
WHATEVER- the gun is the constant
The wielders of the gun change
Gun worship is the constant
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...on you for even posting it here
onehandle
(51,122 posts)'What's a few kindergarteners and gays, when it comes to freedumb?' they say.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Perfect Republican amendments, I guess nothing is better than doing at least something that could have saved lives, right?
gopiscrap
(23,674 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)They claim to be Democrats, but stand with Republicans.