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Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:16 PM

 

John Lewis: We will be silent no more!



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Reply John Lewis: We will be silent no more! (Original post)
workinclasszero Jun 2016 OP
malaise Jun 2016 #1
workinclasszero Jun 2016 #28
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #2
lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #6
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #7
katmondoo Jun 2016 #9
lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #20
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #21
lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #22
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #23
lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #24
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #25
lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #27
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #26
lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #29
dumbcat Jun 2016 #13
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #14
dumbcat Jun 2016 #15
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #16
dumbcat Jun 2016 #17
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #18
workinclasszero Jun 2016 #3
flamingdem Jun 2016 #4
malaise Jun 2016 #5
livetohike Jun 2016 #8
Gothmog Jun 2016 #10
rbrnmw Jun 2016 #11
workinclasszero Jun 2016 #12
sufrommich Jun 2016 #19
Gothmog Jun 2016 #30

Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:20 PM

1. We Shall Not be Moved






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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:30 PM

28. Great song

 

Thanks!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:20 PM

2. supporting a secretive government list to deny rights from people who have been charged with no

 

crime and are allowed to wander the streets unmolested by law enforcement?

Why not go all the way and demand we lock up people who are on these watch lists until they prove they shouldn't be on the list at all?

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:40 PM

6. It's a step

If it were up to me...

I'd repeal the 2nd as out of date (militias???) and confiscate all the guns and stop all manufacturing except for tightly controlled arms for the military... and I would only give the police stun guns..

We don't need to hunt with guns... bows and arrows would be fine. Let the quail and pheasants and ducks live.

That's not going to happen... so... ban the assault weapons... yeah, it will only drop our gun deaths by around a few hundred per year... but it helps.

OK that's not going to happen (yet).. so let's make mandatory biometric trigger locks (gets rid of the kids killing someone problem)... ok that's not going to happen... so

Keep weapons from people suspected of terrorism... and let them go to court to keep their right to buy guns... not ideal, but something. We already deny their right to freely travel by commercial aircraft.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:45 PM

7. You are EXACTLY the type of person the founders envisioned when they enumerated our rights

 

in the Constitution.


How many of those, whose rights have been denied, were mistaken for someone else or committed no crime to warrant being on the list in the first place? Ted Kennedy was on the No Fly list at one point....as were countless children under the age of 5

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

9. Thank you John Lewis

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 05:31 PM

20. ah.. the strict constitutionalist with enumerated rights.

you realize that there is NO right to privacy in the bill of rights, correct?

And the 2nd only mentions the right to have "arms" is a subordinate clause to the mandate to have a militia. So... join a state militia (national guard now, not the self declared idiots) and you have a right to have "arms".

As for the no fly list... why aren't you protesting every day at TSA checkpoints about the unreasonable searches... and protesting about the no fly list? I know why... because you don't want to be on the next plane that is hijacked and flown into a building.

The founding fathers had NO idea about what committed terrorists could do or what modern weapons could do.

And while we are arguing about enumerated rights to have "arms"... since they didn't specify... why not fully automatic machine guns... and grenade launchers... and TOW missiles... why stop at one kind of gun and not all "arms"

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:19 PM

21. Wow. In your attempt to be smart you missed the whole 9th amendment

 

and its reference to right that weren't enough enumerated....and to whom those rights belonged.

There is no mandate to have a militia...there is the acknowledgement of the need for a militia but no mandate.

As for TSA searches, I don't have to submit to one unless I'm flying. Then it's a matter of consent. Furthermore, there's nothing unreasonable about searching EVERYONE who wants to board a plane. There were TSA searches on 9/11...didn't help one bit.

You know what else the founding fathers had no idea about? A lot of stuff. But we don't lose our rights because technology has advanced since 1784.

And you can own all those "arms" with an FFL license and a lot of money...which is really a moot point since no one is actually saying they have a right to own machine guns and TOW missiles no matter how many times grabbers think it's a relevant argument.



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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:37 PM

22. you and Speaker Ryan are making the same arguments about due process

and, btw, the TSA didn't exist on 9/11

"The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is an agency of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that has authority over the security of the traveling public in the United States. It was created as a response to the September 11, 2001 attacks."

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration

It's not a matter of consent... which is tantamount to saying that the government CAN create privilege for every new common technology by which the people "pursue happiness"... which is true since we restrict the use of a car to licensed trained drivers. There was no such licensing requirements for walking or riding a horse.

However, when it comes to guns... gun humpers don't ever admit that technology has also advanced and that the guns now available at Walmart are much different than the "arms" they were thinking of when they crafted the 2nd amendment.

You want an unrestricted right to have a front loading musket... fine. Those were the only arms that the founding fathers were writing about...oh... you want a horse drawn canon... that's fine too. I will support those rights.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:47 PM

23. Actually, the constitution says something about due process and

 

if you're not aware of people being searched at airports prior to 2001, perhaps you should ask your parents about it.

And you have no right to operate a car on government roads nor be transported by 3rd parties via airplanes. The searches are a condition of your travel. You can consent or find another mode of transportation.
How come the technological restrictions aren't being pushed for the 1st amendment or the 4th by you guys? It's always the gun, which had seen technological advancements during the ratification of the constitution? Rifles are more advanced than the Brown Bess, the founders didn't seek to restrict arms to the lesser of the technologically advanced weapon.

Maybe you didn't know there were breech loaders in the days of the founders or that muskets and rifles were different types of weapons

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:59 PM

24. I'm old enough to remember a time before airport searches

and your statement was about the TSA, which was and remains factually incorrect.

it used to be car safety that got the electorate excited because of the terrible carnage on our streets and highways. Thus we now have safer cars with seat belt laws and air bags... you should go back and read "Unsafe at any speed". So we passed laws to make cars safer, laws that a strict reading of the constitution would say "un constitutional" since they were NOT enumerated by the founders (wagon safety apparently didn't rise to the level of rights back in the day).

Guns are special... all they are built for is to kill things (people or animals). They have never been subject to the same level of restrictions or safety regulations as vehicles or any other device that can kill people (my telephone and my laptop are dangerous, but only to ideas, not people).

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:03 PM

25. Oh good lord..you're going to nitpick over the name of the government entity

 

that performed searches at the airport?

Again with the cars...you have no right to operate a car on a public road. Nor are you required to operate a car with the features required by current manufacturers on public roads....

And if all guns are built for is killing, there are a lot of broken guns in this country. And guess what, bows and arrows are made for killing too...

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:28 PM

27. I totally support your proposal to have a right to arm yourself

with a bow and arrow.

as for the name of the agency... you understand that there was NO agency (not the FAA, DOT, not the DOJ, not the FBI, or the CIA) that was in charge of airport security before the TSA. So again, you are fact free.

From the same Wikipedia... the TSA replaced

" the private companies who operated under contract to single airlines or groups of airlines that used a given terminal facility."

so yeah, it makes a big difference.

you just can't have a right to weapons of mass destruction. Killing 49 people and wounding another 50 or more... is qualifying as a weapon of mass destruction.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:13 PM

26. And while we're into discarding rights based on watch lists

 

Why not allow torture and waterboarding of these people...surely the founders couldn't have intended to protect these murderous and committed individuals when it comes to cruel and unusual punishment

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:31 PM

29. I don't support torture or illegal detainment of foreign nationals

But this is only removing a right to purchase weapons... no water boarding or other torture involved.

Similar to removing the right to fly.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:58 PM

13. Why are dangerous, suspected terrorists allowed to walk the streets?

much less able to buy a gun? And they are allowed to drive cars?

Why aren't they locked up?

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 03:28 PM

14. Probably because they've done nothing criminal

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 03:44 PM

15. Yet!

That's the whole point. We need to lock these folks up BEFORE they do something criminal. Remove their freedom and other constitutional rights. Isn't that Lewis' whole point? What good is waiting until they kill millions of people?

We really need a Dept. of Pre-crime!

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 03:49 PM

16. Soooo we're going to strip people of their rights with no crime?

 

Should we mark them, somehow, so everybody knows they're not to be trusted?


Wait. I get it I get jokes

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:12 PM

17. Well, that's what we are all talking about

right?

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:23 PM

18. Some

 

though I'm pretty sure if trump proposed doing it for Muslims coming into the country, there would be cries of outrage from those who are supporting Lewis

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:32 PM

3. President Obama's twitter feed

 

President Obama ‏@POTUS 44m44 minutes ago
President Obama Retweeted John Lewis
Thank you John Lewis for leading on gun violence where we need it most.
John Lewis @repjohnlewis
Sometimes you have to get in the way. You have to make some noise by speaking up and speaking out against injustice & inaction #goodtrouble
4,906 retweets 9,283 likes
Reply Retweet 4.9K
Like 9.3K

https://twitter.com/POTUS

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:39 PM

4. thanks for posting that! nt

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:40 PM

5. Nice

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:11 PM

8. K&R

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:45 PM

10. Congressman John Lewis is a national treasure

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:47 PM

11. I Love You John Lewis

You are and always will be my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:25 PM

19. A true national treasure and hero. He makes me so proud. nt

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 08:29 AM

30. I love this meme

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