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Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 PM

 

Why Democrats aren't pushing an assault weapons ban

And leading gun control groups don't think they should, either

In a private meeting of Democrats on Wednesday, Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.) begged his colleagues to push a measure that might have actually prevented Sunday morning’s carnage in Orlando: an assault weapons ban. Cicilline was answering the call of President Barack Obama and presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, to keep “weapons of war” off the streets.

But Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi nixed it. Better, she said, to focus on barring terror suspects from buying guns. That measure’s a no-brainer for Democrats, she reasoned, and easier to explain to the public. "It’s not that we’re not strong enough to make the fight. It’s just that we want to win the fight," Pelosi said to her Democratic colleagues, according to sources in the room. "What we are trying to do — and forget the politics — what we are trying to do is save lives. What we are trying to do is to say that the Republicans will not even go to this place which overwhelmingly the American people support."

The top gun control advocates in the country share Pelosi’s strategy. They emphasize measures that have broad support — like expanding background checks — rather than trying to take America’s most popular rifle and its copy-cat semi-automatics (like the Sig Sauer MCX used in Orlando) off the shelves. “We work hard to try to stay out of the polarizing divisiveness that comes with this debate,” said Mark Barden, who founded Sandy Hook Promise after his 7-year-old son Daniel was killed three years ago by a mentally ill young man with a Bushmaster AR-15. “We’ve identified the lack of engagement as really the No. 1 issue that is keeping this movement from moving forward. By steering around that, we feel like we can bring more people and more voices.”

Barden, reached on Thursday just after returning to Connecticut following a fundraiser in Washington, added, “I want to get something done.” Banning the AR-15 just plays into the National Rifle Association’s warnings about the feds coming to take your guns, gun control advocates reason — and besides, most of the gun deaths that have become miserably routine are committed with handguns.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/gun-control-second-amendment-orlando-shooting-224461

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Just reading posts Jun 2016 OP
ananda Jun 2016 #1
pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #5
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #8
aikoaiko Jun 2016 #2
Just reading posts Jun 2016 #4
flamingdem Jun 2016 #3
HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #6
Crepuscular Jun 2016 #7
sendero Jun 2016 #9

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Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:46 PM

1. well, we wouldnt want polarizing divisiveness.

What's protecting lives compared to dealing with that?

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Response to ananda (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:36 AM

5. More like "We wouldn't want to piss away House & Senate seats........


on moronic and dishonest legislation. The absolute stupidity regarding the foaming hysteria relating to "assault weapons" is EASY to verify for persons of character.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027921026

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

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Response to ananda (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:26 AM

8. What I don't want is what we've had which is lots of dramatics followed by no change.

 

This subject matter should be dealt with without bullshit for it is life and death on the table. The verbiage that you use suggests that no tactic is wiser than the other when 'protecting lives' is the objective. This is self indulgent. After Sandy Hook, lots of words and flailing of arms and no change. This suggests that polarizing divisiveness hinders progress and thus costs lives. Of course it is great fun for the two 'sides' who like to bicker and say 'grabbers' and 'humpers' to each other. But they have yet to deliver any results from all of that bickering and such.

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Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:53 PM

2. True, the 2013 AWB proposal rallied NRA and RKBA advocates against all the bills.


Plus, none of the proposals would have done anything to prevent or even lessen tragedy of the Sandy Hook massacre which led a lot of gun owners to be cynical.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:58 AM

4. Of all the various proposed gun control bills, banning the cosmetic features of "assault weapons"

 

seems the most pointless.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:55 AM

3. Barden knows what to do

and he's a dad not a politician. A victory is needed, rest comes later, after November.

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Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:25 AM

6. Pelosi in classic political form will do the doable, even if the doable is based on mistaken

understanding.

We rarely get terrorism affiliated mass shootings in the US, but we do often get multiple mass shootings, and we certainly get masses of shootings everyday.

I'm really not sure how many of the shooters in the territorial drug killings are on any terrorist watch lists. I suspect some but mostly not.

We'll crack down through the meme 'terrorist shouldn't be able to buy guns' and we'll try to crack down, again, through the meme 'crazy people shouldn't have guns'. Because they makes such perfect common sense even when we can't really identify who these terrorists and crazy people are.

We'll stoke prejudicial biases, figuratively beat our chests, and pretend something useful was done because if there is one place where unity can be found in America it is standing together in support of misunderstanding and prejudice.

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Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:12 AM

7. ...

Both from a political and a practical standpoint, the decision not to pursue an AWB is a sound one. Promoting an AWB will result in loss of congressional seats, as well as putting millions of dollars into NRA and Republican coffers. Couple that with the fact that an AWB would likely not prevent a single death from occurring and choosing not to pursue one becomes a no-brainer.

Promoting an unconstitutional law that denies due process, though, is also a mistake. If those on the no-fly list pose a serious threat, then charge them with a crime or modify the rules to require judicial review and approval before suspending the rights of someone placed on that list. For the life of me I can't understand why Progressives would support giving un-elected government officials the power to suspend constitutional rights, without any transparency or due process. That is just plain scary.

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Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:42 AM

9. An "assault weapons" ban..

... would have made ZERO difference here, any reasonably knowledgable person knows that. There are any number of "non assault" weapons that would have done the job just as well from the shooter's point of view.

I have zero problem with reforms that might actually do something, but an "assault weapons" ban isn't one of them. Not only because other weapons do the same thing with the same efficiency, but because there are already a shitload of AR-15s out there and ban or not if someone wants one they will never be hard to get.

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