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MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:22 PM Jun 2016

4 years ago, I said that Mitt Romney was the worst presidential candidate I've ever seen in my life

That probably had to do with his incompetent campaign, his utter tone deafness, his cartoonish shtick as the Whitest Man In America and that stick that he had so far up his ass that you could check the oil in his brain with it.

But looking at the the way that the GOP was trending towards a collapse of it's own credibility, I knew that without a shadow of a doubt, that the party would outdo itself by exponential proportions in the following election year. Early in the GOP primary process, I looked for RWNJ pandering, incompetence and shamelessness... Also, I factored in the urge in wingers to respond with their own candidate who would have been seen as an "Anti-Obama."

My first inclination was to see Ben Carson as that person, a black guy that even white right wingers could love. He had it all, including his willingness to incoherently crazy talk every other motherfucker in the room. But alas, his inability to connect to his audiences in a meaningful way had doomed his chances. Not to mention my suspicions that he really wasn't serious about running for office at all. I still think that he only ran to monetize his name brand with a certain segment of the GOP electorate that's willing to finance his extravagant, self-indulgent life-style. Carson, a man with no political experience, no knowledge about how the world, much less the US Government, is supposed to function and who seemed utterly incompetent outside of his medical expertise, seemed like the logical transition in right wing Republican devolution, and the next biggest step to the collapse of a major political party.

Needless to say, it was a lot worse than I thought.

Not only will Donald Trump be the worst presidential candidate that any of us have ever seen in our lifetimes, he's pretty much the worst human being that we've witnessed as well. Rather than simply taking this cretin as he is, we have to consider what he represents. Quite a few times, I've referred to Trump as the "Monster From The Republican Id." Prior to actually running for office, he may have been an small-handed, egotistical, narcissistic, thin-skinned, serial marrying carnival barker with delusions of grandeur, but at least he was operating on his own reprehensible terms.

Clearly, this is no longer the case. Trump owes his success to his ability to mold his own self-image to the worst and most virulent aspects of a political party that's in utter chaos and decline. He is a reflection of his narrow-minded, racist, paranoid and hateful electorate. He's now the purest product of decades of right wing political distillation. A mirror on the most despicable aspects of what it means to be a conservative Republican today... So bad in fact, that many conservative Republicans themselves are unable to even look in that mirror. He is everything that they've ever asked for, but were far too obtuse to even know what they were getting.

They only have themselves to blame.

The question, however, is how successful he's going to be at getting elected. And in this, I have to say, we have some good news based on two continuing trends.

First, despite Trump's ability to bring more Republican voters to the primary polls than every before, if we're to believe the numbers, he's not actually expanding the party. The GOP electorate has been in steady decline for years and that trend is not letting up. Republicans knew that this was happening and their response was to destroy both the voting rights of millions of Americans and the ability for organized labor to raise funds, marginalize voting blocks through gerrymandering, plus make it easier for the American oligarchy to buy elections. The competing of demographics has been mixed, to say the least.

But, in spite of these efforts on the right appearing to be successful in the short run, it's not a long term recipe for success. The Republican voter base is steadily dying off, not to mention the fact that its collapse is turning off a sizable segment of traditional voters who are disillusioned with the way that Republicans have failed them.

The key thing to remember is that Republicans voters themselves are not most of the electorate. Most people would not vote for them more than they would not vote for Democrats. In terms of the popular vote, there have been more of us than there are more of them for quite some time. Unfortunately, we have an utterly undemocratic system of government which values money more than it values people.

Lastly, let's not devalue the impact of the GOP running the most reprehensible cretin ever to be nominated by a major political party. This is a big deal for us, no matter what some of us would feel about our own candidate. Trump out-negatives Clinton by a country mile. You don't see Democratic congress-critters running away from her public statements the way you see Republicans running away from Trump's, do you? In spite of our own messy nomination process, I have no doubt that we're going to back our own nominee, barring any unforeseen circumstances... (Winger concerns about Clinton being indicted over some scandal that they've contrived is inconsequential, in my observation. They're always coming up with baseless nonsense to fling at the Clintons).

All in all, we have this in the bag in November and all we have to do is urge the other side to self-destruct. It's going to happen anyway. After it does, my only concern what's going to happen to our politics once the center-right party no longer becomes viable. That, right there, is something that we all should be concerned about.




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4 years ago, I said that Mitt Romney was the worst presidential candidate I've ever seen in my life (Original Post) MrScorpio Jun 2016 OP
K&R irisblue Jun 2016 #1
Personally, I thought it was W... modestybl Jun 2016 #24
Guys like Cruz SirBrockington Jun 2016 #2
Cruz is a Theocrat, Gods own candidate, in his own mind. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #5
I would crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump if the other option was Cruz FLPanhandle Jun 2016 #14
I didn't mind Romney metroins Jun 2016 #3
I think that there is a good chance that the Republican Party will go Whig. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #4
Romney was just hopelessly out of touch. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2016 #6
Romney is redeeming himself with me lately rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #7
He still ran a horrible, dog-whistling campaign Station to Station Jun 2016 #15
No doubt rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #18
I thought Romney was better than McCain. bigwillq Jun 2016 #8
You are absolutely right. brer cat Jun 2016 #9
Romney is pretty mild and tame. Lucky Luciano Jun 2016 #10
I still remember what I wrote about Romney four years ago MrScorpio Jun 2016 #13
Great piece, MrScorpio. Like you, I had a theory that they would put forward pnwmom Jun 2016 #11
The GOP has run a 'rich son of privilege' every election since 1996. House of Roberts Jun 2016 #12
Dan Quayle was a heartbeat away from the presidency and was the smartest valerief Jun 2016 #16
Bush was worse than Rmoney, but neither are tRump. n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #17
Please clap hibbing Jun 2016 #21
I didn't really follow Trump before this, but I expected something more circa 1992 Ross Perot herding cats Jun 2016 #19
Hillary is not as bad as Romney. n/t Herman4747 Jun 2016 #20
R#30 & K for, goes to show... n/t UTUSN Jun 2016 #22
I wouldn't worry about the center right. MisterFred Jun 2016 #23

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
2. Guys like Cruz
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jun 2016

Are worse IMO because they can dog whistle and enact the same policies with a smile on their face. The difference with Trump is he says all the things out in the open that they do behind closed doors; and thats why they hate him. Before all of the bigoted comments, he did shed a lot of light on the inner machinations of the donor class. He called out a lot of the behind the scenes players and destroyed Bush before he got the momentum. The media was throwing nothing but softballs at Bush, just like his Brother. Trump ended that and didnt let them re-write the history on Iraq etc. For that I thank Trump. A Bush and a complicit media are a dangerous combination.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
14. I would crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump if the other option was Cruz
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jun 2016

That wacko would push the button to bring about the "end times".

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. I think that there is a good chance that the Republican Party will go Whig.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

Another party will rise and take its place, like the Republican Party rose to taka the place of the Whig, with a very different voter base.
Parties change from time to time. Between Wilson and Roosevelt, Democrats changed from a mostly Southern white party to the party of the left. Republicans drifted right until under Reagan, they were a predominantly Southern White Party.

Who knows where they will go.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
7. Romney is redeeming himself with me lately
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jun 2016

I think he is an honorable man who was forced to take idiotic positions by the party he inherited and made to seem stupider and more venal than he is. He is certainly civil and measured and smart.

He created the prototype for the ACA and was forced to disown it. Overall he was a conscientious and competent governor of Massachsuetts. I don't even really think he believed the 47% shit personally, nor the dumbass positions he took on immigration, abortion, gay rights, and guns.

I do however think he is motivated by a religiously rooted sense of mission, in this respect like Jimmy Carter. Yeah he's a stiff and a friend to the rich but that shit used to be standard republicanism.

I wish he'd run in just a couple of states -- Colorado, Utah, Idaho. He'd take in Mormon votes and maybe deny Trump that constituency and hand those states to Hillary thereby.

I believe he sincerely and correctly despises Trump.

15. He still ran a horrible, dog-whistling campaign
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jun 2016

It was certainly more divisive in most areas than McCain's, Palin notwithstanding. If he feels bad about it then, well, he should, and it's a shame he cannot bring himself to apologize.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
18. No doubt
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jun 2016

He deserved to lose. But compared to Trump he looks better and better.

Don't get me wrong. I rooted for Obama to kick his plutocratic ass.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
11. Great piece, MrScorpio. Like you, I had a theory that they would put forward
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jun 2016

Ben Carson as their answer to President Obama. They would think he was their ticket to the minority vote.

As if.

House of Roberts

(5,168 posts)
12. The GOP has run a 'rich son of privilege' every election since 1996.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016

Bob Dole was the last time they didn't.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
16. Dan Quayle was a heartbeat away from the presidency and was the smartest
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jun 2016

talking rock I'd ever seen. But rocks aren't known for their intellectual prowess.

Really. Dumb as a sack of potatoes.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle

hibbing

(10,095 posts)
21. Please clap
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jun 2016

I think ! ran the worst campaign in quite a while. But in terms of the candidates themselves, this fascist is the scariest.

Peace

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
19. I didn't really follow Trump before this, but I expected something more circa 1992 Ross Perot
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jun 2016

What he turned out to be was the worst nightmare the GOP has ever seen in my lifetime. Honestly, I'm still a bit shocked by all of it.

The Republicans have no control over him, and the Democrats seem to be able to set him off on an inappropriate rant at the drop of a hat.

I've never seen anything like this, ever. It would be funny if it weren't so freaking terrifying.

I actually think a healthy two party system is a vital part of our political system. We don't have one right now, we don't have anything even close to that. I'm pretty damn worried about what's in our future as a country.

What worries me most right now is the rampant hate that's being given legitimacy recently. I've never encountered (personally) such a volume of racism, misogyny and bigoted hate like this before in my lifetime. I'm speaking about in the wild, not the usual suspects on the internet. I expect that, but not people at the grocery store, Target, or even at the freaking park! Much of it being directed at me. At times just for my support of other minority groups of which I'm not even a member. Some of the crazy stuff they're spouting is unsettling, to say the least. The worst part is they're now doing it everyplace/anyplace. With no consideration or respect for others around them. People are apparently devolving socially.

Great OP, you made me think. I love that!

MisterFred

(525 posts)
23. I wouldn't worry about the center right.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jun 2016

The center right is WELL represented in U.S. politics. It dominates the federal government. It's about to win the presidency. The question is whether what actual right wingers will do if they start to lose Congress in addition to the presidency.

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