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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:58 PM

This may be a dumb question

but I am curious. Is a mass shooting by a Muslim called a Terror Attack while a mass shooting by someone other than a Muslim called a Hate Crime? What is the difference since the victims are dead? I'm sure it has something to do with politics.

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spartan61 Jun 2016 OP
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #1
Skittles Jun 2016 #2
840high Jun 2016 #7
braddy Jun 2016 #3
libdem4life Jun 2016 #6
braddy Jun 2016 #8
libdem4life Jun 2016 #9
libdem4life Jun 2016 #10
Skink Jun 2016 #4
BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #5
Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #11
Chan790 Jun 2016 #13
Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #14
Chan790 Jun 2016 #15
BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #16
malaise Jun 2016 #17
The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #12

Response to spartan61 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:00 PM

1. Good question. The shooter allegedly pledging fealty to ISIS did the trick.

 

Otherwise I would just call it a hate crime.

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Response to spartan61 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:02 PM

2. in this case it is certainly both

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Response to Skittles (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:32 PM

7. .+1

 

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Response to spartan61 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:04 PM

3. One is part of an international movement and religion, for a global cause.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:13 PM

6. Over the years, terrorists have become freedom fighters and vice versa.

 

It is a political definition. Kind of like War killing: OK because it is sanctioned by the state. Any other kind of killing: Bad. Not sanctioned or by a state we don't like.

Another I've noticed...if we agree with them, it's OK. If we don't, they are terrorists.

Long been the story. It's how we continue the War Machine...and justify the ginormous sums of money made for a few ... and cost in human and taxpayer capital it destroys. Then we wrap it up in patriotic hoopla, like the icing on a deadly cake.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:35 PM

8. You are going to pull a muscle playing such mental games.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:38 PM

9. Say what? My mind hardly broke a sweat

 

How inappropriate.

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Response to braddy (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:41 PM

10. Now I get it. Hadn't seen your post.

 

Still inappropriate but I guess you took it personally???

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Response to spartan61 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:08 PM

4. I'd say if it wasn't for the 911 call

It would only be a hate crime.

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Response to spartan61 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:12 PM

5. It's inconsistent

and this is the problem of the use of the word "terrorism" and only using it for those of (or suspected of being of) a certain religion.

White Christians shooting up abortion clinics or black churches are never called "terrorists" and the acts are rarely if ever even called "hate crimes" unless alot of blowback happens.

Any individual or individuals, no matter their origin or religion causing mass casualties should be considered "terrorists". And their crime should be considered a hate crime because those willing to do what they do are hateful POSes.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:43 PM

11. Eric Rudolph was never described as a terrorist?

Google suggests otherwise.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:51 PM

13. He definitely was described as such...

 

in fact, I can't recall him being described any other way. It was always "domestic terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph, suspected of the Olympic Park bombing."

It took way way too long to catch that asshole and I was so relieved when they did. There is no better argument for life-without-parole than Eric Rudolph...he needs to die in his cell at Florence ADMAX of old age.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:53 PM

14. Oh, he will.

I'm a staunch opponent of the death penalty and just throwing this disgusting person in a cell and letting him rot there for the rest of his miserable life, no drama, no fuss, is just fine with me.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:21 PM

15. Oh, I'm aware.

 

...even if we do disagree on the DP.

Every once in a while though, someone or another here gets on a high-horse about the cruelty and inhumanity of LwP. I always want to know which one of the current inmates serving life-without-parole in the Supermax unit of ADX Florence they want to move into their neighborhood after their humane release.

I mean, if they've got to be let go, they've got to go somewhere.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:19 AM

16. Post-9/11 the "rules" changed. Try Dylann Roof or Robert Dear.

Even before 9/11, it took alot of backlash to force calling McVeigh, Nichols, and Fortier "terrorists" since they were not looking for white all-American militia types.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:21 AM

17. +1,000 n/t

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Response to spartan61 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:48 PM

12. Human beings invented language out of thin air

so human beings use language to their own particular advantage. It's all subjective. It all depends on what the speaker wants to emphasize about a particular situation.

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