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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:44 PM

Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report .

This WFTV report is recent, from April 6, 2016. The YouTube link is making the rounds on social media now. How do we combat this kind of thinking? And how do we do it without turning citizen against citizen?

I have no solutions.

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Reply Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report . (Original post)
Shemp Howard Jun 2016 OP
David__77 Jun 2016 #1
840high Jun 2016 #53
Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #2
TimeToEvolve Jun 2016 #5
Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #7
David__77 Jun 2016 #9
Liberal_in_LA Jun 2016 #43
David__77 Jun 2016 #46
One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #22
JustinL Jun 2016 #24
One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #26
JI7 Jun 2016 #59
redstateblues Jun 2016 #28
Chuuku Davis Jun 2016 #42
Chakab Jun 2016 #58
840high Jun 2016 #54
mr clean Jun 2016 #8
David__77 Jun 2016 #16
metroins Jun 2016 #29
David__77 Jun 2016 #30
metroins Jun 2016 #32
IamTheNoodle Jun 2016 #13
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #3
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #18
Lint Head Jun 2016 #4
David__77 Jun 2016 #10
Lint Head Jun 2016 #19
Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #17
JustinL Jun 2016 #23
Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #33
6chars Jun 2016 #51
linuxman Jun 2016 #20
840high Jun 2016 #55
shadowrider Jun 2016 #6
napkinz Jun 2016 #11
Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #21
cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #12
JCMach1 Jun 2016 #36
Dalziel3979 Jun 2016 #14
Mosby Jun 2016 #34
Dalziel3979 Jun 2016 #38
Mosby Jun 2016 #44
cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #48
MellowDem Jun 2016 #49
Mosby Jun 2016 #56
MellowDem Jun 2016 #63
Mosby Jun 2016 #64
MellowDem Jun 2016 #68
Mosby Jun 2016 #70
MellowDem Jun 2016 #72
roamer65 Jun 2016 #37
6chars Jun 2016 #39
exboyfil Jun 2016 #15
exboyfil Jun 2016 #67
onecaliberal Jun 2016 #25
Dems to Win Jun 2016 #27
David__77 Jun 2016 #31
Mosby Jun 2016 #35
smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #41
cali Jun 2016 #40
backscatter712 Jun 2016 #45
Prism Jun 2016 #47
runaway hero Jun 2016 #50
KamaAina Jun 2016 #52
sgmcenroe Jun 2016 #57
David__77 Jun 2016 #60
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #61
TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #62
0rganism Jun 2016 #65
LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #66
Separation Jun 2016 #69
Aerows Jun 2016 #71

Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:45 PM

1. I was about to post this.

This ideology must be wiped out, completely. There should be no more space for this than there is for Nazis. Progressives should mobilize against these Islamic scholars and, if not citizens, advocate for their removal from this country.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:00 PM

53. Me 2

 

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:46 PM

2. This is exactly what I said before, they hate LGBT's more than Christians do. THe solution is for

 

NORMAL non-radical Muslims to stand-up and police their own community. That's all I got.

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Response to Southerncomfy (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:50 PM

5. christians hate gays just as much as islams

google pastor steve anderson

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Response to TimeToEvolve (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:51 PM

7. To a point, but the language of SOME muslims go much further like the speaker in the video.

 

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Response to TimeToEvolve (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:52 PM

9. Well, last night, it wasn't a Christian who killed people in a gay bar in Orlando.

I could care less about hate. I care about people being shot or bombed or otherwise killed or injured.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:37 PM

43. Gay bashings have been occuring for decades...not related to islam

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:39 PM

46. And where there are groups advocating annihilation of homosexuals, they should be opposed.

I don't understand why progressive-minded people would want to somehow divert attention from what these groups are and their actions and responsibility. It occurs to me as if that is what some people mean to do - divert attention.

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Response to TimeToEvolve (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:02 PM

22. WBC gets alot revulsion from mainstream xtians

Don't know that I hear certain Imam's getting lampooned in the same way as Fred Phelps.

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Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:10 PM

24. but would they get the same amount of revulsion if they didn't say "Thank God for dead soldiers"?

If all they had said was "God hates fags", would they have gotten the same amount of attention? Would the bikers have counter-protested them then?

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Response to JustinL (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:13 PM

26. Military protest may be claim to fame. But they are reviled and lampooned

But they are reviled and lampooned for their crazy antics protesting LGBT.

On edit maybe I missed a Mosque posting their version of this classic ad

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Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:55 PM

59. the fact is many don't like Westboro because they picket just about anyone

When it was mainly gays being targeted many did not care .

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Response to TimeToEvolve (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:22 PM

28. My church is 1/2 LGBT here in TN. Gays are our brothers and sisters

The broad brush does not apply.

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Response to TimeToEvolve (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:34 PM

42. Pretty sure none of the Christian

Churches here have called for killing gays

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Response to Chuuku Davis (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:45 PM

58. ...

 










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Response to TimeToEvolve (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:01 PM

54. We don't advocate killing gays.

 

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Response to Southerncomfy (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:52 PM

8. I hear you, but where are they?

They are around, but they should have stood a long time ago when they were about to become radical...

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Response to mr clean (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:58 PM

16. I think it's a tiny group that will advocate for legal and social tolerance for homosexuals.

Some might oppose it because the killings weren't formally sanctioned by a Sharia court.

That said, I'm sure there are some Muslims who have a very different theology that I would consider progressive or at least not downright anti-human.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:23 PM

29. One of our best friends is Muslim

Extremely progressive. A champion for children.

I've hired Muslims, worked with them, engaged strangers in long random debates about how Mohammad isn't a prophet. I've never actually met a mean or right wing Muslim. Nevermind, I met a Pakistani man who was into conspiracy theories and right wing Muslim.

I think using the word "some" should be "the majority living in the USA".

Something has to be done about the minority radicals

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Response to metroins (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:25 PM

30. I don't know with any precision the degree of magnitude.

I also understand that there are plenty of secular Muslims who do not even go to mosque.

What I'm not aware of is a substantial group of Islamic scholars or organizations that actively advocate for reform of Islam, repudiating those tenets that include execution of homosexuals.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:27 PM

32. The people I know condemn it, but also ignore it

In the conversations I've had, they don't think ISIL members are Muslims and do not represent them.

They also don't speak out though, I think they're afraid.

Heck, I don't really want to speak out.

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Response to Southerncomfy (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:56 PM

13. They seem unwilling or unable

You see mass outrage when Mohemmead is placed in a cartoon, but not so Much when mass killings occur in the name of him. I will not be tolerant of any religion that is stuck in the dark ages that calls for harm or oppression of any human.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:48 PM

3. Yep, this hatred will be drowned out

 

So sad

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:01 PM

18. Some people's hatreds are more equal than other's.

 

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:48 PM

4. And this?

Christian Pastor Says Gays 'Worthy Of Death' At Conference With 3 GOP Presidential Candidates

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:55 PM

10. While I don't know this to be the case...

I take your post as somehow intended to convey something like "see, Christians and Muslims both advocate killing gays - this isn't a Muslim problem only!"

Last night, it was a Muslim who killed people at a gay bar - it was not a Christian who performed that act.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:01 PM

19. Not "all" Christians want to kill gays. But apparently some do.

Not "all" Muslims want to kill gays. But apparently some do. That is my point.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:59 PM

17. Words have power.

That pastor should, of course, be denounced for what he said. Just as the that imam should be denounced.

But it wouldn't matter. That pastor will just go back to his church, and continue to preach hatred. And that imam will just go back to his mosque, and continue to preach hatred.

How do we combat that? Should we put more restrictions on the First Amendment? Yesterday I would have said no. Today, I'm not so sure.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:06 PM

23. then why did you share the video?

If he shouldn't be free to say what he said, then it seems to follow that you shouldn't be free to give his words a wider audience.

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Response to JustinL (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:46 PM

33. It was not an easy decision.

The cleric's comments sickened me, and disheartened me.

But those comments seem to be an important piece of the puzzle, as they were made at a mosque in Orlando. So I decided to post the video. I'm still not sure if I made the right decision.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:54 PM

51. an important piece of the puzzle

Could well be. Not in the sense that this is what Muslims think, but in the sense that someone has been poisoning minds of a number of Muslims (I am thinking of the small number who have become active criminal religious extremists) in the US and this is part of that.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:01 PM

20. Ah yes.

 

Who will ever forget the immortal massacre that followed...

Oh shit. What was the name of the record braking act of terrorism that followed his speech again?

Keep on conflating.

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Response to linuxman (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:03 PM

55. .that^

 

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:50 PM

6. Whew

I'm glad the Orlando shooting had nothing to do with Islam and was purely a hate crime. I read that right here on DU.

Wait, nevermind.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:55 PM

11. Pastor Kevin Swanson: Kill The Gays!

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Response to napkinz (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:01 PM

21. See my post #17.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:56 PM

12. This was posted on YouTube a while background

There are comments over two months old. This guy should be charged with something. He might have even been the one that encouraged the shooter.

I remember reading that after the Rwandan massacre there was a radio announcer who was convicted of crimes related to it because he called Tutsis cockroaches and encouraged people to kill them on the radio.

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:08 PM

36. If he is a US Resident (i.e. non-citizen), he should be deported... full-stop

We have enough crazies to deal with without adding any bonus ones...

Why are we giving VISAs to people like this... :grrr:

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:57 PM

14. All these Abrahamic death cults are just different sides of the same rancid dog turd.

I don't even bother distinguishing between them anymore.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:23 PM

38. Yeah, sure

You know nothing about me, but 50 people like me were killed today just because our existence was considered such an affront to the sensibilities of that poor offended gunman, but yeah voicing my anger and contempt for the extremist religious ideologies and sects that enable and justify the actions of the likes of him means I'm the bigot. I respect people's right to practice whatever beliefs they wish privately and peacefully, but I'm under no obligation to have any respect for those beliefs in themselves, especially not after today.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:41 PM

48. If your Abrahamic religion is not a death cult

then he was not referring to your religion.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:47 PM

49. Your post is an example of privilege...

Religious privilege specifically. Religions are ideas. Calling an idea a death cult isn't bigoted.

If you want an example of bigotry, you'll find plenty in the Abrahamic texts. That's going to open them up to criticism on a progressive board.

The only one who should be ashamed of themselves is you, IMHO. Check your privilege before you speak next time, much less alert on a post.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:50 PM

63. Judaism and Islam are belief systems...

and it's obvious that the poster was addressing them (and all Abrahamic faiths) as such.

Both Judaism and Islam are explicitly bigoted in their holy texts.

That is the followers' of these belief systems problem to deal with, and one that will never go away.

Many believers want to pretend they don't have to deal with the terrible things their holy texts promotes while identifying with the belief system. That is religious privilege.

Trying to shut down any criticism of these hugely influential belief systems with their explicit bigotry because some people identify with them ethnically as well is disingenuous, to say the least, and really despicable defense of power and privilege, to say the most.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #64)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:49 PM

68. Everything has ethnic and cultural components...

so what? Conservatism does, but we don't stop criticizing it because it has other components than just an ideology. Your tactics are dishonest and obvious.

If you want an idea on what Muslims believe outside of just how they identify, look here:

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

For Jordan, a whole lot support stoning adulterers and death for leaving Islam, which sounds like a death cult to me. No figures on Iran, but it's besides the point.

The point is, those positions are supported textually within Islam, so no matter what an individual Muslim may believe, their texts say heinous, death cultish shit.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #70)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:34 PM

72. I agree with you there...

Religion is usually only one factor, but it is an important one, and kinda like how guns are viewed in the US, but even more so, the problem is never talked about because it's deemed "sacrosanct" that all mainstream religions are hunky dory.

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Response to Dalziel3979 (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:11 PM

37. Sad, but true.

Jesus preached a lesson of love and tolerance. Many have perverted that message.

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Response to Dalziel3979 (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:24 PM

39. silly

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:57 PM

15. That Islamic Center has right to ask anyone to speak

but I got to think things are going to get very interesting for them going forward.

Here is a Youtube of his entire talk. I would prefer to find a transcript as I won't listen to over an hour discussion.


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Response to exboyfil (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:43 PM

67. From the Islamic Center website

Members of Husseini Islamic Center (HIC), stand united with our fellow Americans in categorically condemning this attack. We share the grief and sorrow of the nation and stand united with the Centeral Florida community and City of Orlando. Our heartfelt condolences and paryers go out to the families and loved ones who are victims of this tragedy.

I have no problem with protesters gathering in front of this mosque and any Christian church that says their scriptures advocate harming or killing anyone.

http://orlandocenter.org/

They should screen their speakers better before inviting them.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:11 PM

25. That kind of hate speech is a threat in my opinion.

They should be locked up.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:19 PM

27. Close all Saudi-funded Wahhabi mosques in the US

 

Stop giving foreign Wahhabi clerics visas to come to the US.

This would be the minimum we should do to protect our citizens from Wahhabi 'Kill The Infidel' religion, imho.

Of course, as long as our government kow tows to the Saudis, no action will be taken.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:26 PM

31. I think this scholar is Shiite.

Unfortunately, the problem is not just that of Wahhabism.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:31 PM

41. I agree completely.

Wahhibism is a death cult.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:27 PM

40. fuck that sick piece of shit

 

His dropping dead would be a blessing.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:39 PM

45. Christopher Hitchens was right. RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:40 PM

47. This is Islamaphobia!

 

Not really. But when gay people speak out against this incarnation of that religion, that's what Sensible Liberals tell us.

How comes so racist, gays?!

So tired of this shit. So. Very. Tired.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:47 PM

50. Giving Trump everything he wants...

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:54 PM

52. The shooter came from Port Saint Lucie, about 120 miles away.

 

That is not his mosque. If he even went to mosque.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:41 PM

57. The view is also had by numerous Christians

If anybody has been on line recently, they have seen numerous clips and posts and videos of "Christian" ministers calling for the same thing. It is all hate.

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Response to sgmcenroe (Reply #57)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:04 PM

60. So what?

One could also say "murder is murder."

What's the point? This crime happens to be a crime of Islamist extremism. Somehow if it was a Christian I doubt you would be posting "Muslims do that too."

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:13 PM

61. We need to be honest, and not in denial that Fundamentalist Islam motivated this fucker.

Everybody wants to spin this with their particular blind spot in mind- the gunny gun crowd doesnt want to talk about easy access to high-powered weaponry, the homophobes don't want to talk about anti-LGBT hate, and people on our side may fall prey to the temptation to paper over the obvious connections to radical islam and, yes, terrorism.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:20 PM

62. expose it and condemn it, for starters. nt

 

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:38 PM

65. maybe time to revoke tax-exempt status for *any* "church" engaging in hate speech?

any church, any religion, any "non-profit" foundation that promotes this kind of crap, at least they could be taking part in paying for the cleanup of the consequences to society of their beliefs.

i don't care who it is or what the affiliation is. want to promote killing the infidels? want to preach killing women because of their choices in love and marriage? want to evangelize blowing up abortion clinics? get ready to pay some taxes. and not just tiny taxes on net profit, these should be motherfucking steep taxes on gross take.

maybe, just maybe, if it bites them in their fat wallets, the parasites who feed on hate will tone it the fuck down.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:43 PM

66. Scumbag.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:51 PM

69. Obviously we must blame Christians for what they did.

Seems to be the prevailing thought by a few users here on DU.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:19 PM

71. And he must fuck off.

 

I'm tired of this bullshit.

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