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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:19 PM

Is the message is shifting from anti-gay murder to ISIS sponsored killing...minimizing the deaths of

real people for political purposes? Just woke up here so have not followed this story closely but
already looks like some are trying to score political points and making the dead look like martyrs instead of a persecuted minority killed by the gun cult

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Reply Is the message is shifting from anti-gay murder to ISIS sponsored killing...minimizing the deaths of (Original post)
msongs Jun 2016 OP
jehop61 Jun 2016 #1
Mass Jun 2016 #2
David__77 Jun 2016 #11
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #14
Brickbat Jun 2016 #3
Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #7
Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #4
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #6
Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #9
Kang Colby Jun 2016 #13
Ruby the Liberal Jun 2016 #5
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #8
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #17
gwheezie Jun 2016 #10
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #12
cagefreesoylentgreen Jun 2016 #15
CherokeeDem Jun 2016 #16
msongs Jun 2016 #18
B2G Jun 2016 #19

Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:21 PM

1. Yup

And Fox has already blamed Pres Obama for being soft on terrorism

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:22 PM

2. Absolutely, including on DU

and with no proof that the guy did not act alone.

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Response to Mass (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:27 PM

11. What does it matter if he acted alone?

I imagine that more than a few people pledge allegiance to Islamic State "alone." I don't think someone needs a membership card to be motivated by an organization and ideology.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:32 PM

14. Exactly. That is what makes this especially scary. Any disillusioned person

 

can be swept up in the ISIS propaganda, and their calls for more murders.

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:23 PM

3. How does a connection to ISIL minimize the deaths? It's not like ISIL is super gay friendly.

I do get that multiple issues make it hard to use this event to bludgeon opponents, though.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:24 PM

7. Come on, you know better than that.... this is like candy to the NRA, anti-immigration, anti-islam

 

crowd. The dead are to be used as pawns in a larger political game for them.

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:23 PM

4. You can kiss the equality and gun control issue goodbye.... only focus on the news is terrorism

 

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Response to Southerncomfy (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:24 PM

6. You realize that this post kind of proves that you don't want to discuss facts....

 

but just an agenda. Which is shame.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:25 PM

9. I am all for facts.... it's anti-gay. I am simply stating what the media is saying RIGHT NOW THIS

 

VERYMINUTE.

i'm on your side ... come on guys.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:30 PM

13. +1000. n/t

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:23 PM

5. It depends on whose message you are listening to

The NRA types want Islam in the middle of this because then they can distract from the issue with our insane gun laws.

Others want to downplay the fact that fundamentalist Islam teaches 'death to gays' and "10x the rewards" for martyrdom during Ramadan.

Hate comes from a lot of ideologies. As much as it is human nature, we can't put everything neatly into predefined boxes.

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:25 PM

8. That's because its more of a radical religious cult that caused the killing, instead of a gun cult.

 

There is a difference. You're doing your own agendizing and politicizing.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:35 PM

17. At the moment, you don't have any more proof of that than others who believe it was motivated

primarily by anti-gay bigotry. It's also possible that both are factors. Things are rarely a simple matter of black and white.

"You're doing your own agendizing and politicizing."

Look in the mirror.

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:26 PM

10. I can't separate slaughter in a lgbt club and terrorism

To me, the 911 call he made claiming the isil connection and the target of his rage don't exclude each other.

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:29 PM

12. Yes, spread the fear

 

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:32 PM

15. Yup

On the road here and noticing a few radio jockeys tiptoeing around the fact it was a gay nightclub.

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:34 PM

16. The fact that this bastard pledged ...

allegiance to ISIL will cloud the message. Hopefully, the fact that ISIL is anti-gay and targets the LGBT population will promote discussion of both reasons for this horrible event.

We cannot allow the press or anyone to forget... these innocent people were targeted for who they love. Despicable.

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:53 PM

18. thanks for sharing. the entire incident is appalling nt

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Response to msongs (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:55 PM

19. No, facts are emerging.

 

That is not a bad thing. We need the full story and to want anything else speaks more of an agenda than not.

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