The Clinton Dynasty's Horrific Legacy: More Drug War, More Prisons
This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by BooScout (a host of the General Discussion forum).
The explosion of the prison system under Bill Clintons version of the War on Drugs is impossible to dispute. The total prison population rose by 673,000 people under Clintons tenure or by 235,000 more than it did under President Ronald Reagan, according to a study by the Justice Policy Institute. Under President Bill Clinton, the number of prisoners under federal jurisdiction doubled, and grew more than it did under the previous 12-years of Republican rule,combined, states the JPI report (italics theirs). The federal incarceration rate in 1999, the last year of the Democrats term, was 42 per 100,000 more than double the federal incarceration rate at the end of President Reagans term (17 per 100,000), and 61 percent higher than at the end of President George Bushs term (25 per 100,000), according to JPI.
It's a constructive criticism of a Democratic President.
safe housing, like the majority of white folk had?
And no history of slavery in a racist country.
Your Zimmerman-like analysis of the situation aside.
...who has had armed bodyguards most of her adult life to keep her safely away from the problems her policy cause. Plus the money not to care.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:01 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Doesn't appear offensive to me. I didn't even realize he was referring to Bernie.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: under 4 hrs on DU , 19 posts and alerted on for insulting another DU-er?
MIRT ? Hide irisblue
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
or left-wing fascism is worse.
A large portion of African Americans at the time...oh, another inconvenient truth you don't want to hear because it doesn't fit this garbage narrative. Get over it, Senator Bench Warmer has lost...
Wow. What a sweet thing to say! Almost as sweet as this
Comment on that...if possible. Fascism, left or right. Stunning.
Scary that you think you're making sense.
more than about a minute to respond to that post. That and the multitudes of articles on the minority excess, the prison guards 6 figure incomes (I know that for a fact), the churning of young people, the ruining of families.
But hey, the Republicans ate it up and the Clintons pocketed quite a haul. The Prison Guards for Hillary campaign paid very well to keep these brand, spanking new jails open and full with a rotating door.
Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional leftright spectrum.
The OP is *constructive criticism* of a Democratic President.
BTW, don't throw the "fascist" label around so much. It's smacking against Godwin's Law
Just trying to help a fellow DUer. It's my nature.
Also, fascism is a form of government. This is a form of churning money...capitalism...white power...need I go on. I did the google search for you as I'm sure you wouldn't.
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy; More
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
And your asinine comments are out of place and insulting. You can't blame everything on your myopic political views. Clinton was in lock step with Bush Sr. They were friends. And the my both ruined countless lives.
If a person blindly denies science, no fucking vote.
..realize that statistics about the vast increase in our prison population, are, like so many facts, fascistic.
Wish they would also realize that the increase in poverty and homelessness of families, after the Welfare Reform Act, is also a fascistic finding.
Left-wing fascism and left fascism are terms that have been used to describe tendencies in left-wing politics that contradict or violate the progressive ideals with which the Left is usually associated, such as free speech. Syntagmas such as left-wing fascism provide shorthand labels, but they lack any scientific precision, not the least due to the broad meaning of each of the components. Considering the general classification of fascism as being on the far right, crossovers may be expected according to the extremes meet theory (French: Les extrêmes se touchent). The touching point between the far left and the far right may be the use of power and/or political terrorism.
Either way it is intended as an attack on a leading Democratic candidate.
Let's be demoralized and not show up to vote. Yes that's the ticket.
I felt the need to put the sarcasm smiley in because I have no confidence in some people to understand the obvious.
Anyone who isn't demoralized by them isn't paying attention.
To 30 years of "conservative" lies and smears. Sorry but I don't pay attention to the likes of Atwater, Coulter, or Rove.
Whatever Hitchens might have been he wasn't a knee jerk American conservative.
...not just President Clinton.
Great excuse. I say punish them all then.
....that increased the incarceration rate?
However well-intended, those measures were all ill-advised. Even most who supported them 20 years ago will agree to that. But crunching select figures to conclude that Clinton's time in office was far worse than the other examples cited is a quite a reach. If another Clinton was not running for office at the moment, this level of false equivalency would not manifest itself. But she is. And it does.
Not when it comes to the drug war. People have to accept that Clinton played the part of Bush's surrogate. It's a sad reality but a true one.
Hillary is NOT Bill or a Bill clone for that matter. They are two different people. She did not sign these pieces of legislation into law, and she was not yet a member of the U.S. Senate who could have voted on them. Guilt by association is generally pulled off the shelf after everything else fails.
Hillary via Bill. The curious thing is that only one of the two Democratic candidates this year actually voted for the legislation that boosted the incarceration rate.
You won't see many here talking about that, however.
not for Bill Clinton being her husband. She really is not that special otherwise.
The "woman thing" is all she has to offer. It appears that Trump's ignorant toxic diatribes are influencing many here who should know better. Bill's preceding her in office are one thing. The fact that she is well-qualified for the job she is seeking, in her own right, is the far more important consideration.
to have a strong impact on the issue. She was FLOTUS and was the most politically active FLOTUS we've ever had. She helped Bill with everything he did. She helped sell it. So, along with Bill, she owns it.
She does not get off scot-free.
"Bring them to heel" like dogs.
This was all part of an era where baby boomers instituted across the board cultural crackdowns. Tipper Gore was running around at this time complaining about music lyrics.
"You know someone. Someone who is evil and wicked. You are inseparable by association. Therefore you are every bit as guilty as that person. Onto the enemies list you go. Begin the investigation. Your career is over. Ruined."
Nixon & company had a go at this as well.
That was an intentional decision to say that she was deeply involved with the decisions of the presidency.
We might think we have a Democratic president, but we really have is just another right wing #2@#hole who knows how to fake out as a Dem. We're wise to it now, but not back then. I thought Clinton was just the greatest back then. Now I see him for what he is--duh, mostly because I see what his policies have brought abount.
No matter how hard we try, the right wing just seeps in there. Now they've taken over our party.
And this is why Bernie Sanders is our only hope.
I hope Bernie kicks her ass 40 ways from Sunday in California's primary.
ignore them, Move On?
Per Skinner's recent comments.
"Granovetter (1973) argued that within a social network, weak ties are more powerful than strong ties. He explained that this was because information was far more likely to be diffused through weaker ties. He concluded that weak ties are indispensable to individuals opportunities and to their incorporation into communities while strong ties breed local cohesion."
This is a social network. The knee-jerk thinking seems to be that someone or some group can pick on things that hurt their feelings and cast them out, and life will be bubbles and champagne.
Perhaps. On the other hand, weak ties might be more important than you know. If the election doesn't go as planned, or if other races turn sour, people might well look at some of this (both here and other places) and make the case that such behavior depressed turnout, rather than facilitating it. That wouldn't reflect well on any site, or organization. Well, except for the real estate swindler, but he has such a low bar no one expects anything from him.
I put the article up because I don't much like two-faced hypocrites that piss on Democratic principles to make themselves millions. Or people that cover up for them. I left out out his part in the conspiracy that foreclosed on 8 million American families and has left more people in poverty and hunger, as well as increasing the numbers of working poor by tens of millions. Those links are available.
I vote for my country, not a party, since I think the latter is great way to lose a nation. Feel free to ban whatever, this isn't the only outlet. I most certainly affect more local votes in the donut shops and libraries than here, so no great loss to me.
The upshot of that article, btw, is that you need our votes and the ones we influence far more that we need your web site. That may be just about to become much more clear, one way or the other. But I bet you won't like it.
No,m actually, we don't. The majority of Sanders voters see the big picture and will vote Democratic regardless; doubly so when the opponent is a violent xenophobe like Trump.
We don't need the Bernie or Busters, a group that is a statistical irrelevance.
I see things from a simplistic, descending order of importance viewpoint:
PLANET FIRST, We The People second; party third.
This is how I discuss politics with anyone, regardless of nationality or party. I love talking politics with anyone, (except trolls), anywhere, any time.
It's not that profound for me, when a party gets in the way of equality for our fellow citizens, when it gets in the way of the safety of the citizenry of this planet, that party and I don't see eye to eye.
PLANET FIRST, We The People second, party third.
I dunno, that seems like a good system for me. If it costs me my membership at DU then the question I needed to ask all along is: did I REALLY want to be here?
Do the Clintons even talk about that? Or is it like it never happened?
.....which is the subject of the OP?
We only talk about how the war on drugs affected/affects US citizens.
We don't talk about the devastation the Clinton presidency caused by spraying Monsanto roundup from the air on people, on food crops, etc.
That thing Hillary said about if Flint had happened in Grosse Pointe ... it's like that. If Colombia had primarily white European people, we might be at least having conversations about what Clinton did there.
Which is another inconvenient truth, but I'll just leave it at that...
will give eulogy for Muhammed Ali .
No smear job in that article, obviously!
....is called a "dynasty"! Many of those on DU who embrace that characterization also consider themselves "FDR Democrats".
Oh the irony!
That would also make the administrations of these Presidents "dynasties":
Ulysses S. Grant
Bush the Second
and, of course Barack Obama.
So, your point?
...it doesn't qualify as a "dynasty", other than perhaps a Bush dynasty. But you didn't post the OP. It talks about some so-called "Clinton Dynasty", even though it doesn't meet your qualification.
If Hillary becomes potus she will be the second dynasty, more so she would create the one true dynasty by being not a child, but a spouse.
I'm 39. Bush's and Clinton's have held the WH for more than half of my lifetime. Sounds like a dynasty to me. I'm not looking forward to even 1 more year of either family having one damn thing to do with my life.
which of those presidents had a close family member who ran for president?
advertised as a team in 08 and Hillary said Bill will handle the economy/jobs if she's elected.
So yes, THE is used instead of Bill.
There are far too many references to that for it to be credibly denied.
Their words mean nothing from one moment to the next, I've been listening to them for a substantial portion of my adult life and Obama's characterization I quoted above seems accurate to me.
I wish they would stop flip flopping on whether or not they respect our President. Between the changing opinions on Obama and the superdelegates, you never know what to believe with them.
I'm in the ABB camp, the nominee will be Anyone But Bernie. He really has put the fear of god into the establishment as much as they can ever actually feel such a human emotion.
They we're sold as a team. Hillary was not going to sit at home and bake cookies, she was going to be involved.
FFS, all you need to do is look toward the attempted health reform failure for proof of involvement.
the Clinton's built a legendary pupil to prison inmate pipeline.
We can afford another Clinton POTUS like we can another Cheney advised Bush.
....but Sanders was a Congressman and voted for it.
So, if the Clintons were campaigning for it, how could you support Sanders if could be "fooled" so easily and voted for it?
Clinton (Bill) did not have the final signature on the legislation?
....and most married couples consider themselves a "team".
I know I do, and I didn't even expect my wife to change her last name (she didn't).
Hillary has no responsibility for the 90's or she was an integral part?
Tell it to
the baby who had the flash grenade thrown in his crib,
the college student locked in a DEA room for 5 days with no food or water because he was smoking pot at a frat party,
the wheelchair bound spinal injury patient sentenced to 25 years in prison for managing his own spinal pain,
the medical marijuana patient in FL facing 10 years in prison for growing her own medicine,
the pastor shot by undercover cops at an ATM,
the 64 year old man killed by drug cops who raided the wrong house, etc.
There are more. Lots more.
What a nice luxury to have to be able to judge from 25 years in the future. Monday morning quarterbacking to an extreme.
Conveniently there's no mention of the CIA's role in getting Blacks hooked on crack to finance illegal activities nor mention of having the whole problem dumped in his lap and the politics surrounding the right wing propaganda. In other words, Bill didn't control the message much less the agenda. Without considering all of the context this is nothing more than grandstanding drama.
Thanks for that note of realism, anyway.
A very interesting read.
"Don't Punish Clinton, Sanders for 1994 Crime Bill"
"Why did Bill Clinton want a crime bill in the first place? Two reasons. The first was substantive: There was a lot of crime back then. More than double the current rate. There was a legitimate public demand for action."
"Second, Democrats had long been pegged as soft on crime, hampering their electoral prospects. A shadow hanging over the Democrats in the 1992 campaign was the infamous Willie Horton scandal. The losing 1988 Democratic presidential candidate, Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis, was pilloried for a furlough program that allowed the convicted murderer, who was serving a life sentence, to viciously rape a woman and torture her fiancé."
"The bill was not strictly about incarceration. Also included in the $30 billion were funds aimed at crime prevention: community policing, drug treatment and so-called midnight basketball leagues to help keep teens out of trouble. The landmark Violence Against Women Act was established in that bill, which has helped reduce domestic violence by two-thirds, a steeper drop than the overall decline in violent crime. And the bill included an assault weapons ban, although congressional Republicans refused to renew it a decade later."Clintons efforts to soften the Senate version and include prevention programs won support for the bill from several members of the Congressional Black Caucus. The caucus chairman said at the end of the process, We have put our stamp on this bill.
"But the president also had to appease Republicans to compensate for lost Democratic votes. He maintained the crack and powder cocaine disparity (Clinton pushed for reducing the disparity in his second term but got nowhere with the Republican Congress). And he tied funds for state prison construction to the removal of state judicial discretion on sentencing."
"Clintons efforts to soften the Senate version and include prevention programs won support for the bill from several members of the Congressional Black Caucus. The caucus chairman said at the end of the process, We have put our stamp on this bill.
Clinton also tried to contain the Senates more conservative impulses, successfully narrowing the scope of its three strikes mandatory life sentence provision in the final version. We shouldn't litter it up with every offense in the world, Clinton admonished, saying it should focus on the relatively small number of people that are wreaking heartbreak and devastation and death.
... one Clinton and a prospective Rodham do not constitute a "Dynasty" in any way.
Or Thud Dull in '96.
And Now You're Thumping for Trump T. Trump because "HE'S SUCH A GENIUS!"
Back under your bridge, troll
three more days for yall to get em all in,,,,,, hurry sundown!
In Texas and his wife working for that concern....sanders easily bought and gives not a damn for the wellbeing of the environment or people....1994 bill HE co-sponsored
Defeat it in the senate and was successful. Congressman sanders sold out to the northeast nuclear power industry in his sponsoring of the legislation....and Jane sanders currently works for the same organization....95% of sanders supporters have zero know legend of Bernie sanders.....he is a sellout and hides it well....google it...all true....
Nuclear waste to be shipped to a repository located outside a Hispanic town in Texas and if it want for Sen Paul Wellstone...sanders would have been responsible for putting nuclear waste in Texas at the behest...do I need to explain what behest means? Of the nuclear power consortium in the northeast...the same consortium who hired his wife Jane after dismissal from Burlington college....google the facts....don't fear the truth....educate your self....
Did they dump it in a river? It is nuclear. It's dangerous, right? what was it's ultimate disposition?
Who voted to pass the bill. On the dynasty part there has been two sons to follow their fathers presidency. Has there been othrer couples who fould have both with the ability to be president it would have been Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt. Here another dynasty with cousins elected and Eleanor was a cousin to both.
I would hope we would not limit presidency to people without relatives having the same position.
The Crime Bill
The Welfare Bill
And we nearly had the privatization of Social Security. Bill and Newt had an agreement in place, but then the Monica business hit the press.
All Republican ideas and goals, triangulated by the Clintons.
Hillary was part of that, 2 for 1. Bill has been a constant on the campaign trail for Hillary and recently she said she wanted Bill to oversee revitalizing the economy. Seems like 2 for 1 is still the model.
While Bill Clinton isn't running for office.