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Fri May 27, 2016, 09:25 AM

I watched the HBO movie "All the Way" last night.

Wow, LBJ may have been a shrewd politician, but he work hard to get the "Civil Rights'" bill passed. It also shows how times have changed since then. Now the Republican party are the ones trying to destroy the "civil rights" of all Americans.

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Reply I watched the HBO movie "All the Way" last night. (Original post)
imanamerican63 May 2016 OP
DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #1
procon May 2016 #2
CurtEastPoint May 2016 #3
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firebrand80 May 2016 #5
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lovemydog May 2016 #13
forest444 May 2016 #14
busterbrown May 2016 #18
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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 09:26 AM

1. Awesome movie.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 09:34 AM

2. He was certainly a larger than life figure.

He did some really regrettable shit, but he also accomplished a lot for the great good of everyone. My family lived in Texas and my dad took us to see him speak at the HS football stadium. He was a big man, striking, loud, imposing, and I can understand how he would definitely be an intimidating presence to be reckoned with.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 09:36 AM

3. Bryan Cranston is an amazing actor.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #3)

Fri May 27, 2016, 09:40 AM

4. Bryan Cranston a really great actor

The movie and his portrayal of LBJ was supurb

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 09:52 AM

5. It made me wonder about folks that claim

that the Democratic party needs to get back to the principles it used to be about. I can't figure out exactly when that was, it certainly wasn't any time before 1970.

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #5)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:07 AM

6. Follow the dixiecrats.

Our party improved immensely when they, and the evangelicals left for the Republican party in the 50-late 60's.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #6)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:50 AM

11. The GOP's "Southern Strategy" under Nixon.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #11)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:55 AM

20. Yep. And to borrow a phrase from another thread, their party has been a tire fire ever since.

People like Goldwater warned against it. (Goldwater was a right wing regressive, heartless bastard, but he could and did compromise with us on issues. Give and take. That wasn't ok, so the evangelicals moved his office into the airlock and cycled it.)

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. Said in November 1994, as quoted in John Dean, Conservatives Without Conscience (2006)



The specter of single-issue religious groups is growing over our land. … One of the great strengths of our political system always has been our tendency to keep religious issues in the background. By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars.


In the past couple years, I have seen many news items that referred to the Moral Majority, prolife and other religious groups as "the new right," and the "new conservatism." Well, I have spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the old conservatism. And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics.
The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:25 AM

7. It's based on a play commissioned by the Oregon Shakespeare Festival as part of their American

 

Revolutions program to develop new plays about key moments in American history. This year OSF premiers 'Roe' a play about Roe vs Wade as part of that series.
"All The Way" has a second play in the cycle, covering LBJ's second term which is called "Great Society" and here is a review of OSF's production of "Great Society" with photos and such:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/19/theater/in-the-great-society-jack-willis-stars-as-johnson.html?_r=0

Here is the local review of "Roe" which is very new, just opened this month:
http://www.dailytidings.com/article/20160501/NEWS/160509991

About the American Revolutions Cycle:
"American Revolutions
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The United States History Cycle

American Revolutions: The United States History Cycle is OSF’s 10-year program (2008-2017) of commissioning up to 37 new plays sprung from moments of change in United States history. Bringing together artists, historians and institutions from around the country, and mirroring the scope and scale of Shakespeare’s history plays, American Revolutions is the largest commissioning and production project in OSF’s history. Theatre contributes to vision, to conversation, to commitment, to belief, to action and must actively participate in the life of our country. These truths animate OSF’s American Revolutions goals and create value for our participating artists, our fieldwide collaborators and our audiences."
https://www.osfashland.org/experience-osf/upcoming/american-revolutions.aspx

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:29 AM

8. A superb film!

We lived through those times and this film really brought it all back. Bryan Cranston was amazing.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:48 AM

10. I was about to say just that!

Thanks for doing it for me.

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Response to Mira (Reply #10)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:59 AM

12. Loveya, my dear Mira!

Did you see? I am no longer #1 in poll #1! Thank goodness!

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:48 AM

9. Added to my list to watch this weekend. Nt

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:10 AM

13. Thanks for mentioning it.

I will check it out!

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:17 AM

14. Check out 'Path to War' as well.

Produced by Showtime on the eve of Dubya's invasion of Iraq, it portrays an easily manipulated LBJ who, once he was knee deep in Vietnam, made the further mistake of doubling down in hopes of "getting it all over with" (rather like a compulsive gambler).

Ultimately, he saw how hopeless the war was - and perhaps how he had been pimped. That's when he decided to withdraw from the nomination in order to achieve a peace treaty with Hanoi before the end of his term.

And he probably would have, had Tricky Dick and Kissinger not sabotaged the talks.

Riveting stuff, even for those familiar with the story. Plus: Michael Gambon was amazing - and he's British!

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Response to forest444 (Reply #14)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:38 AM

18. Yep...

Didn’t want to be the first American Pres.. to lose a war...

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #18)

Fri May 27, 2016, 02:42 PM

31. Like a gambler, he just kept digging. And of course the brass was always there to encourage him.

Often in 1966 and 1967, when he seemed close to withdrawing, Wheeler and the other joint chiefs would pull out some bullshit presentation prepared for them by the CIA, full of half-truths and self-contradicting numbers.

"We're winning, Mr. President!," the cheer always went.

To which one day LBJ finally said: "We're winning - but we're losing!"

A Lear-esque tragedy worthy of Shakespeare.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #31)

Fri May 27, 2016, 07:49 PM

32. one of the more frightening aspect of the MIC..

They never met a war they do or did not like...

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #32)

Fri May 27, 2016, 07:54 PM

33. Or, unfortunately, a president that can't be either duped or bribed (or both).

Except, of course, for Bernie should he be elected - hence their preference for Ms. Inevitable.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #14)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:22 PM

24. So few Americans seem to know that Nixon is a traitor - for all time

Nixon sabotaged the peace talks. That's treason folks, plain and simple. Reagan saw how the feckless Democrats let that one pass and pulled the same stunt on Carter. In my lifetime, I've suffered under 3 repuke presidents who stole or manipulated the election process - Nixon, Reagan, and lil' Bush. If there's an anti-Mount Rushmore I nominate these three and leave the last face up for debate.

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #24)

Fri May 27, 2016, 02:31 PM

30. Now that's an idea, the anti-Mount Rushmore.

I'm with you. I've always believe that at least some of the self-aggrandizing memorials that despots built should be kept around as a grim reminder.

For example, that's what the Philippines' Corazón Aquino did when Marcos fled in 1986 (to Hawaii and with Reagan's blessing, you might recall). When asked to destroy a 100-foot bust Marcos had ordered built to himself on a hillside sacred to one of that country's indigenous peoples, she refused for that very reason: she believed it should serve as a reminder (it was ultimately blown up by angry locals).

If we were to ever "honor" our own neocon scoundrels in such a way, I vote we build such a memorial in Shanksville, Pennsylvania - but not without a small museum at the base so that future generations learn the lengths they and their profiteer buddies went to assure perpetual war.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:29 AM

15. Ronald Reagan gave his first speech

after being chosen to run for President in Philadelphia , Mississippi

"On August 3, 1980, Ronald Reagan gave his first post-convention speech at the Neshoba County Fair after being officially chosen as the Republican nominee for President of the United States. He said, "I believe in states' rights ... I believe we have distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended to be given in the Constitution to that federal establishment." He went on to promise to "restore to states and local governments the power that properly belongs to them"

In the place where those three civil rights workers were murdered. This put the stamp on where the Republican party was headed - pro white, Southern, and appealing to bigotry.

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Response to packman (Reply #15)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:25 PM

26. Most people missed the same symbolism, but the red neck understood

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:32 AM

16. LBJ's Viet Nam policy was horrible, but his domestic policy with regard to civil rights,

Medicare, the War on Poverty and other issues was great.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:32 AM

17. Robert Schenkan a wonderful playwright. Cranston did a great job. Also recommend Confirmation on HBO

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 11:41 AM

19. Wouldn't it be nice if it were that easy...n/t

 

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:13 PM

21. Give him the Emmy now. nt

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:15 PM

22. "The Johnson Treatment"

"Johnson was the catalyst, the cajoler in chief. History records him as the nation's greatest legislative politician. In a great piece on the Daily Beast website, LBJ aide Tom Johnson, writes about how his old boss would have gotten a health care reform bill through the current congress. It's worth reading to understand the full impact of the "Johnson treatment" and how effective LBJ could be in winning votes for his legislation."

http://thejohnsonpost.blogspot.com/2009/08/johnson-treatment.html






At the time, I hated LBJ with a Purple Passion because of the WAR and the wasted deaths of a couple of friends that blinded me to anything else. It was only much later that it became clear that LBJ was the most Liberal President we have had in the last 1/2 century.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:17 PM

23. Shocked to learn how young he was when he died.

Only 64. When I was young, that seemed OLD, but now it seems shockingly premature.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:24 PM

25. McNamara

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:35 PM

27. I've been hesitant to check this out, but from what everyone is saying I will give it a look.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 12:59 PM

28. ????

 

Regarding "how much times have changed" and "Now the Republican party are the ones trying to destroy the "civil rights" of all Americans"--you are aware that Johnson was not a Republican, right?

Times haven't changed that much.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 02:10 PM

29. Another insightful performance of LBJ done by British actor Michael Gambon

Another insightful performance of LBJ done by British actor Michael Gambon is in the film Path to War (link to full movie on youtube below).


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