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Wed May 25, 2016, 09:51 AM

Powerful new ad: Donald Trump rooted for the real estate crash



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Reply Powerful new ad: Donald Trump rooted for the real estate crash (Original post)
Skinner May 2016 OP
riversedge May 2016 #1
hlthe2b May 2016 #2
trotsky May 2016 #3
Moostache May 2016 #11
C Moon May 2016 #13
brush May 2016 #29
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #4
TwilightZone May 2016 #5
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #6
oberliner May 2016 #9
zalinda May 2016 #32
lark May 2016 #7
oberliner May 2016 #8
Skinner May 2016 #10
RogueTrooper May 2016 #24
Angel Martin May 2016 #26
GreatGazoo May 2016 #28
brush May 2016 #30
NoMoreRepugs May 2016 #12
C Moon May 2016 #14
marble falls May 2016 #15
Stuart G May 2016 #16
DesertRat May 2016 #17
herding cats May 2016 #18
Guy Whitey Corngood May 2016 #19
FairWinds May 2016 #20
Vote2016 May 2016 #21
Skittles May 2016 #22
Vote2016 May 2016 #23
muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #34
Vote2016 May 2016 #37
muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #38
Scientific May 2016 #25
Turbineguy May 2016 #27
kimbutgar May 2016 #31
muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #33
ChoppinBroccoli May 2016 #35
Fozzledick May 2016 #36
gregcrawford May 2016 #39
Quantess May 2016 #40
emulatorloo May 2016 #41
In_The_Wind May 2016 #42
napkinz May 2016 #43
eleny May 2016 #44
AgadorSparticus May 2016 #45

Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:54 AM

1. Thanks for posting it. Yes, it is very good. Hits the Donald where it hurts. Saw it

last evening on some talk show.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:58 AM

2. Yes... but are his supporters in so much denial that they will excuse even this?

You know that old ridiculous belief among REPUBs that THEY TOO can be Donald Trump, so it doesn't matter what happens to anyone else.

I used to just be unbelievably embarrassed by the ignorance. Now, I am unbelievably scared.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed May 25, 2016, 10:10 AM

3. You bet they'll excuse it.

Drumpf already dumb-ified it for them last night at his rally. "Well of course I'm going to buy when things are cheap, I'm a successful businessman!"

The crowd lapped it up as usual. Honestly he could tell them they're all a bunch of uneducated fucksticks and they'd cheer.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #3)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:33 PM

11. Agreed, his supporters do not care about this.

This is actually a bad idea to campaign against Trump with Trump-style rhetoric and imagery.

First of all, it is vital for Democrats to recognize what kind of person is attracted to Trump and to spend their time NOT talking to or trying to reason with those people. Instead, get ALL of the people that would support her fired up and to the polls.

Turn out.
Turn out.
Turn out.

That is the ONLY way the Democratic nominee wins. BErnie supporters are far more excited to vote FOR him than for the party. Hillary loses by 3-5% if she can't convince enough of those people to turn out for her.

If they want to practice for this, start trying to convince a Young Earth Creationist of the validity of the science behind the theory of Evolution. The response you get will be IDENTICAL to the response you'll get from Trump supporters by trying to PROVE ANYTHING to them. They are emotionally invested in preventing a woman presidency, but even more so preventing a Hillary presidency. Emotionally motivated voters are not going to be swayed by emotional pleas or facts or proving anything to them. The root cause is that they hate her. Telling them how wrong they are won't change it...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:41 PM

13. Anything that will help others from not going to the "dark side" is great.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:24 AM

29. There are not enough of his angry, white supporters to win

We saw that in 2012 with Romney when he won a large majority of white voters.

He has to draw other voters and ads like this stop them from voting for him.

And there is so much other material out there on Trump him calling Latinos rapists and criminals should make a very effective ad. All of his sexist comments on women also will work. Him encouraging violence at his rallies could be another, and on and on and on.

It's just getting started.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 10:16 AM

4. So many anti-Hillary screeds to write, so little time.

 

This hard-hitting video doesn't fit the prevailing DU majority narrative that "SHE'S LOSING TO TRUMP...OMG! OMG! OMG!"

Too many nominal DUers have no interest whatsoever in demonstrating that HRC has a top-notch team who will hand Trump his ass.

This won't move Trump's brainwashed supporters at all, but it will set the independent swing voters to thinking.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #4)

Wed May 25, 2016, 10:58 AM

5. Yep, undecideds and fence-sitters are the target audience.

Trump's floor is his floor regardless of what he says or does or what the opposition says. That's pretty clear by now.

"Too many nominal DUers have no interest whatsoever in demonstrating that HRC has a top-notch team who will hand Trump his ass."

I think many of them are in denial that that same top-notch team is helping her win the primary against their guy. "I refuse to believe this is happening" translates into "I don't see how she can beat Trump".

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Wed May 25, 2016, 11:10 AM

6. Very salient point about Berners downplaying the excellence of her team--

 

the same one that has out-strategized and out- organized him across the board.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #6)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:01 PM

9. What's with the wrestling video?

 

Just curious.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:53 AM

32. Throwing chairs. They think it's cute about the Nevada lies. eom

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 11:46 AM

7. Good one!

Pull back the curtain and show who's really behind all this. It won't be pretty, but hopefully he can be stopped.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:00 PM

8. Do you think this will be effective?

 

I fear it will play into the idea that Trump is a "savvy businessman" who will "make great deals for America".

That seems to be how he is able to spin this kind of thing generally.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #8)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:02 PM

10. This is Bain Capital all over again.

He's a "savvy businessman" who doesn't give a crap about people and would gladly tank the economy to line his own pockets.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #10)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:52 AM

24. A fair proportion of his supporters would have been affected by that real estate crash

It won't stop them but may put them on the back foot.

It does help define the narrative about Trump: The only time he shows competence at business (rather than the business of show) is when he is bottom feeding off the misery of others.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #10)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:16 AM

26. another own goal by team Hillary.

Anything that shifts the focus back to those responsible for the housing/financial crash will remind voters that those responsible are all Wall Street contributors to Clinton's campaign !

I would leave this one.

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Response to Angel Martin (Reply #26)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:25 AM

28. I lean that way but think this ad is neutral

Typically in the early part of a GE you want to turn your opponent's strengths into weaknesses. This ad is RIGHT to focus on myth busting the 'Trump is genius businessman' nonsense but in talking about the bubble and him saying that there is an opportunity to buy when real estate bubbles crash, it doesn't get the myth busted.

Better would have been:

Infographic rolling timeline of Trump's draft dodging, bankruptcies, shady deals, mob connections, failed marriages, casinos gone broke, etc. Super over clips of people applying that orange make up to Trump or anything that visually says this guy is a polished turd, as fake as his hair.

Get a lot of hits that will resonate with his supporters into the 30 seconds. Bust the myth, paint him as a phony and approve this message. Done.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #28)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:28 AM

30. All of that is still coming. There's plenty of material on Trump

It'll be rolled out over time.

This one is just the beginning.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:37 PM

12. solid ad - using his own words to help explain who he is

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:42 PM

14. Trump defines the phrase "skeletons in the closet."

It amazes me how he is still politically surviving.
Hate conquers all, I guess.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:43 PM

15. Good stuff! I support Bernie, but I support this ad and when and if the time comes: I whole...

heartedly will support Hilary Clinton.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #15)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:50 PM

16. You are not alone...this is a great ad...in my opinion

I will support Hillary Clinton in November

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 01:57 PM

17. k&r!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 03:35 PM

18. I like that it uses him actually saying he wanted it to happen.

Great ad!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 03:58 PM

19. Sure but, WAAAAALL!!!!...... I think I've made my case very convincingly and eloquently. nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 11:49 PM

20. This ad will make zero impact . .

 

in middle America.

It's like denouncing an alligator for having big teeth.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 02:06 AM

21. This message from the folks who brought us Whitewater (not a crime, but still a real estate scam)?

 

We need a better messenger.

Trump won't release taxes - Hillary's hording of transcripts compromises the message.

Trump involved in real estate scam - Hillary's Whitewater escapade blunts the message.

Trump overplays his hand on response to terrorism - Hillary's "we came, we saw, he died" laugh track drowns the message.

Etc., etc., etc. It is a pattern

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Response to Vote2016 (Reply #21)

Thu May 26, 2016, 02:46 AM

22. got any more repuke memes?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #22)

Thu May 26, 2016, 02:59 AM

23. I'm just saying the Clintons ought not throw stones at glass house real estate scams

 

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Response to Vote2016 (Reply #23)

Thu May 26, 2016, 10:12 AM

34. Yeah, you're repeating the Republican meme

You lie, and promote Trump, when you say the Clintons had a 'scam'. Shit like that won't be allowed for much longer here.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #34)

Thu May 26, 2016, 12:05 PM

37. It is not a "Republican meme." The NYT broke the story (not Rush or Drudge), Susan McDougal went to

 

jail (but don't worry, Bill pardoned her), 14 others were also convicted, etc. You must remember this - it was in all the newspapers.

I'm not saying that the Clintons committed crimes in connection with Whitewater (they didn't), but they were neck deep in a genuine real estate scam that resulted in 15 people getting convicted.

This is historical fact. Calling it a "Republican meme" dilutes that argument when justly applied to real witch-hunts like the Vince Foster nonsense. Whitewater actually happened. It was documented in many courts of law.

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Response to Vote2016 (Reply #37)

Thu May 26, 2016, 12:25 PM

38. Yes, saying Whitewater was Hillary's scam (you claimed she 'brought it' to the world) is Republican

and a lie. Stop it. Delete your posts. This is a Democratic website, and there's no place for right wing bullshit here.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:11 AM

25. Good ad

Very powerful.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:29 AM

31. Too bad it will no effect on his supporters

They are such brain washed zombies they will say the commercial is a lie.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 10:10 AM

33. Donald Trump: Parasite on America (nt)

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 11:22 AM

35. Take It Another Step Further

Yes, Drumpf DID root for the housing crash to happen so he could cash in on it, and that's despicable, but they need to then take it to the next step. The next step is pointing out that in that very same interview, Drumpf, in his infinite wisdom, predicted that the housing market would NOT crash. So you can see, he's really got his finger on the pulse of American economic issues.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 11:49 AM

36. Trump has exposed the true economic policy of the Republican party.

Deliberately crash the economy so that they can loot the wreckage.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:04 PM

39. Trump supporters...

... are all drooling idiots who think the jury's still out on gravity being a thing, or they're self-serving sociopaths just like him.

Or both. Christ, this is gonna get ugly.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 02:26 AM

40. No surprise at all. A few fat cats cashed in on the real estate bubble and crash.

Some people got rich off other people's misery. Rinse, lather, repeat.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:41 PM

41. Thank you so much for posting. Terrific ad.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 01:00 PM

42. Kickety kick

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 08:38 PM

43. kick

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:39 PM

44. He looks like he could be a character in The Shining

Creepy smile.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Mon May 30, 2016, 12:09 AM

45. This needs to be repeated....many times. Nt

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