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AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:29 PM May 2016

What does the US import that, if cut off, would decrease our quality of life?

For a long time the US necessarily needed to import energy to keep our society running. Now with efficiencies and locally produced energy (including Mexico and Canada) we no longer need the Middle East.

What else cannot be found within the US or could not made here? Apple could make electronics in the US, but they would have to pay a premium for US labor. Rare earths?

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What does the US import that, if cut off, would decrease our quality of life? (Original Post) AngryAmish May 2016 OP
Seasonal workers. n/t LisaM May 2016 #1
Jamon Serrano. AngryAmish May 2016 #2
Blue fin tuna.. pangaia May 2016 #3
... with a dash of dolphin meat. Buzz Clik May 2016 #6
geez...ok, where I live it's yellow fin or albacore...you are saying there is Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #86
I am speaking of sashimi and sushi, not canned tuna. :>))) pangaia May 2016 #98
Careful what you wish for. Fracking made our independence from the ME possible. Buzz Clik May 2016 #4
so we traded energy for dirty water and earthquakes. joy. Viva_La_Revolution May 2016 #46
According to Anthony Bourdain, fine restaurants (Ecuadoran cooks). WinkyDink May 2016 #5
LOL !!!!!!!!!! pangaia May 2016 #101
All electronic gadgets Ohioblue22 May 2016 #7
We could make any electronic product here we wanted to. BillZBubb May 2016 #12
China has all the rare earth elements Ohioblue22 May 2016 #20
Rare earths were an exception noted in the OP. BillZBubb May 2016 #26
Or mine the moon Ohioblue22 May 2016 #41
They get them from Africa XemaSab May 2016 #81
We could make them here, but we are hooked on low wages. AngryAmish May 2016 #24
There are no mass produced televisions available in the U.S. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #28
Trump products and clothing, Ivanka's line, and Melania's line of jewelry, as it is, already we poor braddy May 2016 #8
Yep, rare earths and a few other crucial natural resources. BillZBubb May 2016 #9
Coffee FuzzyRabbit May 2016 #10
Hawaii produces some good coffee. BillZBubb May 2016 #15
Hawai'i and Puerto Rico grow it KamaAina May 2016 #16
Neither are my cup of tea Major Nikon May 2016 #71
Why do you hate America so much? KamaAina May 2016 #93
I see what you did there. NT mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #104
^^^^^^+^ safeinOhio May 2016 #17
We have some rare earths, as does Canada. KamaAina May 2016 #11
Hooray! Rare earth mining! FrodosPet May 2016 #80
Is it worse than any other type of mining? KamaAina May 2016 #92
poisonous wallboard, toxic flooring, lead in cosmetics and much more... Angel Martin May 2016 #13
That is great toothpaste--your teeth never get cold! BillZBubb May 2016 #18
Still laughing. mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #103
And foodstuffs with 100% of the RDA of melamine KamaAina May 2016 #19
Bananas and some medications. jwirr May 2016 #14
Again, Hawai'i has bananas. KamaAina May 2016 #21
Computers, televisions, watches. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #22
Clothing and computers could start up pretty fast if the investors were sure of an economic return. 1939 May 2016 #50
How are the working poor going to pay $15.00 for a Fruit Of The Loom t-shirt during the transition? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #53
Your price was mostly accurate, but I did find these 3 for $15.00 underwear that seem to be braddy May 2016 #58
I bought a Lenovo 15.8 laptop computer with 8 gig of memory for three hundred dollars DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #62
8 gig? Doesn't seem like much. I'm no expert, but mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #108
Not sure how fast it would be. 1939 May 2016 #65
If only it were so simple. Egnever May 2016 #90
Tariffs. No thanks. FDR lowered them. Progressive countries now don't use them. pampango May 2016 #112
FDR said that at a time when tariffs supported corporation profits 1939 May 2016 #115
Corporations have proven to make profits with high tariffs and low. That is not the issue. pampango May 2016 #116
We can cut anything off if we are willing to pay the price and are prepared to fight the world. Hoyt May 2016 #23
Do you think the rest of the world will sit idly by as we economically starve them? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #29
Downton Abbey? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #25
Bond. . pkdu May 2016 #27
Foyle's War CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #30
Oh wait.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #35
CZ 75's ileus May 2016 #31
Oooh... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #36
Oil. (nt) NeoGreen May 2016 #32
Jeez, my first thought was coffee... CTyankee May 2016 #33
As a northern Californian, I must respectfully insist that you could make do with domestic vino. KamaAina May 2016 #60
Yessir! CTyankee May 2016 #100
Common sense? reason? Logic? Critical thought? Hayduke Bomgarte May 2016 #34
Bingo. you win the lotto !!!! pangaia May 2016 #105
Opiates Gomez163 May 2016 #37
DDR German Shepherds ileus May 2016 #38
I don't suppose DDR means "Detroit Dog Rescue"? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #120
rubber Katashi_itto May 2016 #39
Petroleum Imports Are Increasing jamese777 May 2016 #40
Coffee, shoes, cloth, car parts, electronics parts, most light rail vehicles, pharmaceuticals, Warpy May 2016 #42
Re: light rail vehicles. mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #109
Boston nursed along 1940s trolley cars until the late 1970s, early 1980s Warpy May 2016 #117
Lots of stuff starting with minerals TexasProgresive May 2016 #43
Single malt scotch. MgtPA May 2016 #44
We can make that as well. cloudbase May 2016 #45
I learned something new today, thanks! MgtPA May 2016 #68
Enjoy! cloudbase May 2016 #75
It matters less where hooch is made these days Major Nikon May 2016 #87
I was thinking Irish Whiskey and Mescal. Hoyt May 2016 #79
Tea GulfCoast66 May 2016 #47
IBERICO forever !!!! pangaia May 2016 #106
Tea. Igel May 2016 #48
Isn't tea a species of camellia? KamaAina May 2016 #59
Too cold GulfCoast66 May 2016 #88
They make violin bows out of pernambuco wood. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #72
Nothing panader0 May 2016 #49
Roquefort cheese. guillaumeb May 2016 #51
The only reason maple syrup is so expensive is the Canadian syrup cartel. AngryAmish May 2016 #63
Syrup making is very labor intensive. guillaumeb May 2016 #118
Vermont has fantastic maple syrup karynnj May 2016 #95
Roquefort is my personal favorite. Thus my response. guillaumeb May 2016 #119
A better question is what don't we import Egnever May 2016 #52
Everything. Skinner May 2016 #54
Video Games NobodyHere May 2016 #55
giunness Demonaut May 2016 #56
LOL ! but with you on the Guiness Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #84
North America is not self-sufficient in oil muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #57
Oil (35% of US imports come from Middle East/Asia/Africa/Europe) Spider Jerusalem May 2016 #61
We're pretty good at adapting to these kinds of situations. KamaAina May 2016 #64
Single Malt Scotch... NT OneBlueDotBama May 2016 #66
would other countries let you use their markets, with no labor benefits? La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #67
No one is saying isolation, PPL. Scootaloo May 2016 #69
How do you achieve that without tarifs? Egnever May 2016 #91
Indeed that is what Sweden does and it trades twice as much as the US. pampango May 2016 #96
Sex toys Major Nikon May 2016 #70
Good chocolate. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #73
Out of season fruits and vegetables TexasMommaWithAHat May 2016 #74
BBC JHB May 2016 #76
Apple computes and Iphones. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #77
Coffee and Chocolate. n/t Lodestar May 2016 #78
Shoes and clothing bhikkhu May 2016 #82
where are Ked's made? Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #85
Here, but the soles are imported rubber bhikkhu May 2016 #89
omg....sorry (think we could live without everything except oil, I guess) but Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #83
No idea. I am not Amish. AngryAmish May 2016 #97
In Pennsylvania, rogerashton May 2016 #113
Not much. That's why we trade less than any other country. Not many people want to cut us off from pampango May 2016 #94
Nice observation about isolationist versus internationlist. randome May 2016 #99
Puer tea. pangaia May 2016 #102
All these nibbles ignore the two word, complete, answer whatthehey May 2016 #107
Bicycle drive train components mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #110
VanGoghs mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #111
Folks in other nations need to live too!!! DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #114
Short Term or Long Term? One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #121
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
86. geez...ok, where I live it's yellow fin or albacore...you are saying there is
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

something greater?????????

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
101. LOL !!!!!!!!!!
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:26 AM
May 2016

Where I live, which is near Rochester, NY, he hit the nail on the head.

The area, with very few exceptions, is the cuisine armpit of Upstate.


BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
26. Rare earths were an exception noted in the OP.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

Yes, we have to get sources for those. But we could manufacture anything we needed here.

We should import raw materials and export finished goods, agricultural products, etc.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
24. We could make them here, but we are hooked on low wages.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

We have the technical know how, not the will to build here.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
28. There are no mass produced televisions available in the U.S.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

What is the mechanism by which we make them here?

And with so much of our "stuff" coming from China how are they going to react to us economically starving them?


That's what scares me about Trump.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
8. Trump products and clothing, Ivanka's line, and Melania's line of jewelry, as it is, already we poor
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

Last edited Thu May 12, 2016, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)

people can only afford to buy American made versions of those products instead of the authentic foreign made Trump versions.

If the Trump family made their goods in America, then we working class people may never be able to afford a Trump tie.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
9. Yep, rare earths and a few other crucial natural resources.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

We don't need to import any manufactured goods if we are willing to pay a slight premium for the production.

An exception might be for luxury items, that while we could manufacture them here, wouldn't be the same as the originals. Some people might prefer a Gucci bag to a "Goochy" bag. Or French wines. Or German optics. etc.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. Hawai'i and Puerto Rico grow it
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

although not nearly enough to keep us afloat.

In fact, our very own proud patriot has a coffee farm in Kona.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. We have some rare earths, as does Canada.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element#Outside_of_China

As a result of the increased demand and tightening restrictions on exports of the metals from China, some countries are stockpiling rare earth resources. Searches for alternative sources in Australia, Brazil, Canada, South Africa, Tanzania, Greenland, and the United States are ongoing. Mines in these countries were closed when China undercut world prices in the 1990s, and it will take a few years to restart production as there are many barriers to entry. One example is the Mountain Pass mine in California, which announced its resumption of operations on a start-up basis on August 27, 2012. Other significant sites under development outside of China include the Nolans Project in Central Australia, the remote Hoidas Lake project in northern Canada, and the Mount Weld project in Australia. The Hoidas Lake project has the potential to supply about 10% of the $1 billion of REE consumption that occurs in North America every year. Vietnam signed an agreement in October 2010 to supply Japan with rare earths from its northwestern Lai Châu Province.

Also under consideration for mining are sites such as Thor Lake in the Northwest Territories, various locations in Vietnam, and a site in southeast Nebraska in the US, where Quantum Rare Earth Development, a Canadian company, is currently conducting test drilling and economic feasibility studies toward opening a niobium mine.


And you'll never guess who has more than anyone besides China!

North Korea has been reported to have sold rare earth metals to China. During May and June 2014, North Korea sold over US$1.88 million worth of rare earth metals to China. Other sources suggest that North Korea has the world's second largest reserve of rare earth metals, with potentially over 20 million tons in total.


FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
80. Hooray! Rare earth mining!
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:09 PM
May 2016
http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/finalwebsite/problems/environment.html


The list of environmental concerns that can be connected with rare earth elements is not a brief one. Throughout the cycle of mining processes that rare earth elements go through, there is potential for negative effects on the environment. Extracting rare earth elements begins with mining. This is followed by the refining process, and then disposal. All of the stages of mining, refining, and disposal come with unique issues.

Mining
The physical process of removing the ores from the ground is disruptive to the environment.
Most rare earth elements are mined through open pit mining, which involves opening the
surface of the earth using heavy equipment and machinery. Creating this disruption on the
surface of the earth disrupts thriving ecosystems. Furthermore, mines are the point source of release for three major contaminants: are radionuclides, rare earth elements, and dust and metal. Each of these contaminants escapes the mines in different ways and they each have different detrimental effects on the environment.

Refining
The goal of mining is to end up with a mostly pure and usable element that can be utilized in
whatever way necessary. However, the ores that are extracted from the earth do not come
out pure, instead they need to undergo a refining process. This refining process introduces
another set of environmental concerns, mostly revolving around the release of metal
byproducts into the environment. It is very easy for metals to enter the air, ground, or water
sin an environment, and once there it is nearly impossible to remove them. The metals in an
environment can also prove devastating to organisms.

Disposal
The byproduct of mining rare earth elements is usually waste that is full of further threats
to the environment. Generally, waste is categorized into two different types: tailings and
waste rock stockpiles. It is the tailings that are of particular concern as they are full of small,
fine particles that can be absorbed into the water and ground surrounding a particular mine.

~ snip ~



o http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/finalwebsite/problems/mining.html

o http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/finalwebsite/problems/refining.html

o http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/finalwebsite/problems/disposal.html


mahatmakanejeeves

(57,289 posts)
103. Still laughing.
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

Here, let me plug in this power strip with the counterfeit UL label so I get some more light to see what I'm doing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
22. Computers, televisions, watches.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016
What does the US import that, if cut off, would decrease our quality of life?


Computers, televisions, watches, clothes

For a long time the US necessarily needed to import energy to keep our society running. Now with efficiencies and locally produced energy (including Mexico and Canada) we no longer need the Middle East.


Still imports!

1939

(1,683 posts)
50. Clothing and computers could start up pretty fast if the investors were sure of an economic return.
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

Put a tariff on imported clothing and watch how fast the factories spring up all over the US.

The one area that it would take us a while to ramp up would be steel production.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
62. I bought a Lenovo 15.8 laptop computer with 8 gig of memory for three hundred dollars
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:18 PM
May 2016

Trump wants to slap a 45% tariff on Chinese goods.

I have no credit card so I paid cash. I didn't have $435.00.


mahatmakanejeeves

(57,289 posts)
108. 8 gig? Doesn't seem like much. I'm no expert, but
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:33 AM
May 2016

I seem to recall that the laptops piled up for Black Friday come with a minimum of a terabyte memory on the hard drives. They go for about $250. At least that's the advertised price. Maybe there are only 50 per store, so only a few people actually get one.

I wouldn't know, as I don't do the Black Friday thing.

1939

(1,683 posts)
65. Not sure how fast it would be.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

My wife used to work in the US textile industry sewing for piece work. She worked in several places over the years (men's slacks, blue jeans, baby quilts and crib decorations, advertising hats, high end lady's tailoring, and lady's scarves and bow ties) . Most of the places she has worked have since closed, but they worked against the imports for quite a number of years. On piece work, she could make triple the minimum wage which pissed off the co-workers who were paid minimum wage and didn't produce enough to justify it. At the end, she was a shop supervisor and was doing pretty well turning the place around which suffered from inefficiency. Unfortunately, my mother passed and she elected to stay home and be with my father who was entering senile dementia. the place folded two yerears after she left.

It would only take a slight margin to bring sewing back to the US from Bangladesh and Haiti.

Steel, now, would take massive reinvestment.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
112. Tariffs. No thanks. FDR lowered them. Progressive countries now don't use them.
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

Tariffs are a Donald Trump, Pat Buchanan, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover kind of thing. Sound good but historically don't work as advertised.

That's why modern progressive countries promote strong unions and a healthy middle class the old-fashioned, 'FDR' way - high/progressive taxes, legal support for strong unions, effective safety net, tighter corporate regulation and promoting trade. Not with tariffs. It worked for FDR. It works for today's progressive countries. Funny how going "FDR" never goes out of fashion for liberals nor loses its effectiveness.

From FDR's speech at the 1936 convention:

These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power.

And from FDR's 1945 State of the Union speech:

But it is our hope, not only in the interest of our own prosperity but in the interest of the prosperity of the world, that trade and commerce and access to materials and markets may be freer after this war than ever before in the history of the world.

1939

(1,683 posts)
115. FDR said that at a time when tariffs supported corporation profits
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:08 AM
May 2016

and that the workers were not affected. In 1945, the US only imported raw materials. I wonder what his position would be today when the corporations can off-shore operations and it is the worker that suffers from free trade.

Don't call it a "tariff". Call it a "labor rate equalization adjustment".

I do agree that the Democratic party has been the standard bearer for "free trade" since the early 19th century and it has been the Federalists/Whigs/GOP that have promoted tariffs.



pampango

(24,692 posts)
116. Corporations have proven to make profits with high tariffs and low. That is not the issue.
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

Corporations need to be controlled with regulations and high taxes as FDR did and as Sweden and other progressive countries still do; not by manipulating tariffs.

Don't call it a "tariff". Call it a "labor rate equalization adjustment".

That's essentially what republicans called their 1924 tariff:

The hearings held by Congress led to the creation of several new tools of protection. The first was the scientific tariff. The purpose of the scientific tariff was to equalize production costs among countries so that no country could undercut the prices charged by American companies. The difference of production costs was calculated by the Tariff Commission.

A second novelty was the American Selling Price. This allowed the president to calculate the duty based on the price of the American price of a good, not the imported good.

The tariff was supported by the Republican party and conservatives and was generally opposed by the Democratic Party and liberal progressives. ... Five years after the passage of the tariff, American trading partners had raised their own tariffs by a significant degree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordney–McCumber_Tariff

The "labor rate equalization adjustment" sounded scientific but did not work. Income inequality reached historic highs by 1929.

If FDR thought "labor rate equalization adjustment" was a viable policy for the post-war world he would have gone with it. He did not.

In 1945, the US only imported raw materials. I wonder what his position would be today when the corporations can off-shore operations and it is the worker that suffers from free trade.

FDR did not say that he favored that "be freer after this war than ever before in the history of the world" only until the industries in Europe and Japan have recovered enough to pose a threat to us. In fact he proposed taking the governing of international trade out of the hands of national governments and do it by international cooperation (his International Trade Organization) instead.

Perhaps he was not as smart as modern American progressives, though progressives in actual progressive countries seem to think he was plenty smart.

... the workers were not affected ... (by tariffs).

Workers have always been affected by tariffs.

The Hidden Progressive History of Income Tax

The income tax was the most popular economic justice movement of the late 19th and early 20th century.

Everyday Americans hated the tax system of the Gilded Age. The federal government gathered taxes in two ways. First, it placed high tariff rates on imports. These import taxes protected American industries from competition. This allowed companies to charge high prices on products that the working class needed to survive while also protecting the monopolies that controlled their everyday lives.

These forms of indirect taxes meant that almost the entirety of federal tax revenue came from the poor while the rich paid virtually nothing. This spawned enormous outrage.

http://www.alternet.org/labor/hidden-progressive-history-income-tax?akid=9361.277129.2KDGDd&rd=1&src=newsletter706781&t=14

What was the first thing republicans did when Harding became president in 1921? They raised tariffs and cut income taxes! That would teach those progressives a lesson about substituting an income tax for high tariffs.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. We can cut anything off if we are willing to pay the price and are prepared to fight the world.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

In short order, we'll realize such Nationalism, America First junk was a big mistake. We are actually part of a big world, time to start acting like it.

CTyankee

(63,888 posts)
33. Jeez, my first thought was coffee...
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

I do so love my Colombian coffee....I'm sorry...forgive me my weakness for really good coffee...it is my love, right up there with some wine that is foreign made...

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
60. As a northern Californian, I must respectfully insist that you could make do with domestic vino.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

CTyankee

(63,888 posts)
100. Yessir!
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:23 AM
May 2016

But I just got back from Sicily where I had the most marvelous red wine! As you probably know, in Europe the wine has no added nitrites which are present in the wine we buy. And that means you can drink more of it and not get hungover. But nobody gets drunk on the wine over there (except American tourists)...or at least that I have seen...

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
34. Common sense? reason? Logic? Critical thought?
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

We seem to be in extreme short supply, domestically, of all those "goods".

Warpy

(111,129 posts)
42. Coffee, shoes, cloth, car parts, electronics parts, most light rail vehicles, pharmaceuticals,
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

and many, many other things the country would be very hard pressed to do without, especially since our industry wasn't just sent offshore, the infrastructure was either offshored or melted down for scrap.

A large scale trade embargo would bring us into the third world very quickly.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,289 posts)
109. Re: light rail vehicles.
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

Last edited Fri May 13, 2016, 02:56 PM - Edit history (3)

I think that federally funded projects, at least for heavy rail, require that the cars be built in the good old US of A. I haven't looked it up, so there's a good chance I'm not up to date on the details.

The now-running streetcars on H Street NE in DC were made in Czechoslovakia the Czech Republic. The 7000-series of cars, the newest ones running on the DC-area Metrorail system, were made by Kawasaki in Lincoln, Nebraska. Sumitomo, which makes cars for commuter rail, has its facility in northwest Illinois, IIRC.

GE locomotives are made here, by which I mean either in Erie, Pennsylvania, or a plant in Texas, but don't what used to be GM locomotives come from a factory in Canada? I can look this up....

ETA, 2:56 p.m.:

Sumitomo's plant is in Rochelle, Illinois. See:

Delays May Derail Stimulus Funding for Amtrak Railcars

Warpy

(111,129 posts)
117. Boston nursed along 1940s trolley cars until the late 1970s, early 1980s
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:51 PM
May 2016

and finally had to buy new ones. They had to go offshore to buy them, to Sweden, if I disremember correctly. It was quite a dustup in the local press about how no one in the US of A was making light rail cars any more.

They also had subway cars with the old wooden seats still running on the Blue Line until the late 70s. Couldn't get new ones for that, either.

When Goodyear, GM and Stnadard Oil decided to kill mass transit, they killed all of it.

TexasProgresive

(12,154 posts)
43. Lots of stuff starting with minerals
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

www.mineralseducationcoalition.org/…dfs/imports.pdf

Amazing to me as of 2010 we are still importing asbestos. WTF!

cloudbase

(5,511 posts)
45. We can make that as well.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:49 PM
May 2016

One of my sons gave me a bottle of whiskey made in Washington state. It's scotch, but they obviously can't call it that. Pretty decent stuff.

http://westlanddistillery.com/whiskey/

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
87. It matters less where hooch is made these days
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

Temperature differentials matter for spirits that are aged in wooden barrels, but local water quality used to be the biggest factor. Now the water is filtered pure and the mineral content is adjusted to provide the distiller with whatever they want.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
47. Tea
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

Calvados. Was going to say good ham but 2 year old Kentucky ham is better than Italian ham. But Spanish jam on is still the best in the world.

Igel

(35,270 posts)
48. Tea.
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

Basmati.

Mustard oil. Can't make good chili pickle without it.

And a fair number of tonewoods. Pernambuco.

Pearson International editions.

And I, for one, rather like buying books from ruskniga.com and a couple other similar sites.

BTW, even now it's difficult to get good sliwowica and nearly impossible to get borovicka. (And, no, if you google borovicka it is not gin. Anybody who thinks that should be made to chew off their own tongues prior to drinking Everclear.)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
59. Isn't tea a species of camellia?
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

Which grows widely in the South. Since tea tends to grow at higher elevations, perhaps Appalachia?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
88. Too cold
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:53 PM
May 2016

Like coffee the best is from high elevations in tropical or perhaps semi-tropical areas. It might, just might survive three out of four winters in the very southern Appalachians, but since it is a shrub or small tree that's not enough.

Last month I was in a Tea growing region of China. The tea was grown on the low slopes of the mountains. The higher slopes or too cold and these were not snow-covered peaks.

I imagine it could be grown in the lowlands from South Carolina down to North Florida. But I can't speak to the quality.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
72. They make violin bows out of pernambuco wood.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

And I'm sure there are several other rare South American woods used to make musical instruments.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
63. The only reason maple syrup is so expensive is the Canadian syrup cartel.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

They should be sued into the stone age.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
52. A better question is what don't we import
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

Our quality of life as it is today depends on the importation of goods made with lower labor costs. If we eliminated all of them not only would we be able to afford less but we would massively increase polution in this country.

I have no desire for America to be China.

The idea we could just start making things ourselves is really shallow thinking.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
54. Everything.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

Our economy is completely interconnected with the rest of the world. Voluntarily cutting ourselves off would be disastrous.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
64. We're pretty good at adapting to these kinds of situations.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

There was no domestic supply of pistachios until the Iran embargo. Now California grows lots.

When the South faced a coffee shortage during the civil war, they improvised by blending their limited supply with chicory root. Chicory coffee remains a regional delicacy to this day, served at famed establishments like New Orleans' Cafe du Monde.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
69. No one is saying isolation, PPL.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

However, is there any reason to not ensure that one's own nation has a robust production economy? To produce as much for ourselves, at our standards, with our labor, for our prices as we can, before trading for that what we can't produce, or that comes in better quality elsewhere?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
91. How do you achieve that without tarifs?
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

Tarifs = Isolation.

Easiest way to increase our manufacturing is to kill the dollar. As long as the dollar is strong american manufacturing suffers. Of course if the dollar weakens then we don't get the cheap crap we crave.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
96. Indeed that is what Sweden does and it trades twice as much as the US.
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:32 AM
May 2016

Sweden has heavily unionized, highly-paid workforce that produces what it can and trades for what is better or cheaper from other countries.

No one is saying isolation, PPL.

No one here is talking about isolation but that is effectively what Trump is talking about. He will impose unilateral tariffs which require withdrawing from the WTO and NAFTA and every other trade agreement we have. If/when he does that we are back to the 1920's with retaliatory tariffs from other countries in response. Pretty soon we have effective isolationism whether that is what Trump wants to admit to up front or not.

And, of course, the trade isolationism of the 1920's was one of the things that FDR fought so hard to reverse. It's no wonder that a republican like Trump wants to bring it back.
 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
73. Good chocolate.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

Years ago my sister went to Europe and came back with some plain Suchard milk chocolate. Best damn chocolate I've ever had.
Not sure where to get it over here. They sell Cadbury and Lindt at Wallyworld so all is not lost.

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
82. Shoes and clothing
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:35 PM
May 2016

Of course, we could make that here but it would cost more, so we could afford less. Personally I only have a couple pairs of shoes so it wouldn't matter much. I know some girls who's shoe collections would suffer. Same with clothing, I wouldn't mind if it cost more, if the quality and durability was a bit better.

In any case, I'm not sure if people really want to work in textile mills and shoe factories here; most kids nowadays go to college and want to do better than that.

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
89. Here, but the soles are imported rubber
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

New balance shoes are made here as well.

I have a pair of NB sneakers, and a pair of Doc Martens work shoes, thats about it. Both are well made shoes, from companies with good standards of ethics toward their employees and the employees of their suppliers.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
83. omg....sorry (think we could live without everything except oil, I guess) but
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:44 PM
May 2016

please solve a family argument. Some of us say Aye'mish and some say Ah-mish - which is correct? or are they both?

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
113. In Pennsylvania,
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

I mostly hear Ah-mish. Not Amish myself, either -- my family was fancy-dutch a few generations back.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
94. Not much. That's why we trade less than any other country. Not many people want to cut us off from
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:00 AM
May 2016

the rest of the world although Donald will give it a good try with his walls and tearing up all of our international agreements.

Progressive countries seem to thrive on trade and interaction with other countries. Donald's "America First" may give us the chance to see how well we can get along as an 'island' divorced from the rest of the world.

FDR may have been "an internationalist in an isolationist age" but Trump is "an isolationist in an internationalist age". Interesting times may be ahead if Donald gets his chance. If he can push his agenda through we may see how isolationism - 21st century style - works.

The rest of the world may well just say, "We enjoyed the 8 years of working with Obama who seemed to care about us. Donald obviously does not. Good luck with him. We'll check back in 4 or 8 years and see if want to join the rest of the world again or continue on the 'exceptional' route.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
99. Nice observation about isolationist versus internationlist.
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:07 AM
May 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
107. All these nibbles ignore the two word, complete, answer
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:33 AM
May 2016

Comparative advantage. By definition in the context of global trade it must be imported, and equally by definition improves the quality of life.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,289 posts)
110. Bicycle drive train components
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:56 AM
May 2016

Of course they could be made here, but when was the last time you saw a bicycle with American-sourced drive train components? We seem to have given up that market 50 years ago, maybe longer.

I'm uh, getting up there in years. The "English racers" of the 60s had Sturmey-Archer three-speed transmissions (so to speak) in the rear hub. I saw an updated version of that just last week. I can't remember the brand name, but it was an internal mechanism. Someone let me know what it was I saw.

Schwinn Paramounts of the early 70s were built in the US, but they came with all-Campagnolo components, save for the brakes. French bicycles had French components.

Today, if you don't get Shimano or Campagnolo, then I don't know what you get. Sachs-Huret?

Someone please clue me in. Thanks.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
121. Short Term or Long Term?
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

We have removed alot of specialized equipment like IC Fabrication to various other parts of the globe. We could build new facilities here but it would take a few years to get them up, running and fill the supply channels.

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