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LiberalArkie

(15,707 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:13 PM May 2016

Here’s the Real Reason Everybody Thought Trump Would Lose



Why did almost everybody fail to predict Donald Trump’s victory in the Republican primaries? Nate Silver blames the news media, disorganized Republican elites, and the surprising appeal of cultural grievance. Nate Cohn lists a number of factors, from the unusually large candidate field to the friendly calendar. Jim Rutenberg thinks journalism strayed too far from good old-fashioned shoe-leather reporting. Justin Wolfers zeroes in on Condorcet’s paradox. Here’s the factor I think everybody missed: The Republican Party turns out to be filled with idiots. Far more of them than anybody expected.

The 2006 movie Idiocracy depicts a future in which Americans have grown progressively dumber, and eventually elect as president of the United States a professional wrestler, who caters demagogically to their nationalistic impulses and ignorance of science. Only because the film took place in an imaginary world was it possible to straightforwardly equate a political choice with a lack of intelligence. In the actual world, the bounds of taste and deference to (small-d) democratic outcomes make it gauche to do so. But the dynamic imagined in Idiocracy has obviously transpired, down to the election of a figure from pro wrestling:

While it's impolite and politically counterproductive, if we want to accurately identify the analytic error that caused so many of us to dismiss Trump, we must return to the idiocy question. The particular idiocy involves both the party’s elites and its voters. The failures of the elites have been the source of analysis for months now. Republican insiders and donors failed to grasp the severity of the threat Trump posed to their party, many of them rallied behind obviously doomed legacy candidate Jeb Bush, or they used ineffectual messages when they did attack Trump. Or, most of all, they simply deluded themselves about the dangers he posed rather than face up to them. I never believed party insiders could fully dictate the outcome of the nomination, but I did expect them to be able to block a wildly unacceptable candidate, and they proved surprisingly inept even in the face of extreme peril to their collective self-interest.

Then there are the voters, whose behavior provided the largest surprise. It was simply impossible for me to believe that Republican voters would nominate an obvious buffoon. Everything about Trump is a joke. His orange makeup and ridiculous hair, his reality-television persona, his insult comedy and overt bragging — they are neon-bright signs that he is not (to use a widely employed term) “presidential.” Trump did not even seem to be an especially effective demagogue. He is not eloquent, not even in a homespun way. He stumbles on his phrases, repeats himself over and over, and his speeches consist of bragging and recitation of polling results so dull and digressive his audience often heads for the exits well before the conclusion.

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Here’s the Real Reason Everybody Thought Trump Would Lose (Original Post) LiberalArkie May 2016 OP
Accdg to Thom Hartmann Trump will... chknltl May 2016 #1
Great ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #10
There you go again with those facts! elljay May 2016 #21
Except he didn't raise it on the rich... Bohemianwriter May 2016 #81
+1 - lots of links to be explained erronis May 2016 #85
A less refined version. Chicago1980 May 2016 #22
He's like an experiment Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #76
It's the highest concentration of rubes and marks seen outside the egress at a PT Barnum exhibit... Salviati May 2016 #2
HA! ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #12
I never thought he would lose hfojvt May 2016 #3
that's the fucking scariest thing I've ever heard ProfessorPlum May 2016 #4
I obviously don't know the other poster's relative whatthehey May 2016 #5
I agree and I'm surprised this is not more widely discussed. wcast May 2016 #16
Well that was nonsense Egnever May 2016 #29
Heroin claimed the life of my friend's 25 yr old (White) son last Friday beveeheart May 2016 #32
Ugh Egnever May 2016 #33
She had feared and expected what happened, beveeheart May 2016 #36
Heroin has always been a problem. wcast May 2016 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Egnever May 2016 #46
The largest shift in heroin use is gender based, in the past it was over 80% male, now it is equal Bluenorthwest May 2016 #50
With the advent of Marijuana legalization, a new market needs to become Bohunk68 May 2016 #78
Arrest and prosecute illegal gun buyers and sellers. Prisons would be full to capacity for decades. TonyPDX May 2016 #83
You are making the commenter's point for them ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #56
I think a lot of people Pakid May 2016 #6
Republicans are loyal to their team and also LOVE a BULLY. hollowdweller May 2016 #28
+1 - and because he is a maverick (NOT) erronis May 2016 #86
I'll drop an easy one on you AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #87
A lot of "smart" people support Trump. hay rick May 2016 #26
i think the real idiots Elmergantry May 2016 #88
You and Ira Flatow sofa king May 2016 #82
Since NPR became National Petroleum Radio, TonyPDX May 2016 #84
I believe that the media and their owners picked Trump the be the Big bad Bogeyman to force voters Dustlawyer May 2016 #7
Yep. zeemike May 2016 #14
Trump himself might even have been on that goal. Arugula Latte May 2016 #18
Weirder things like what!? UtahJosh May 2016 #42
Like BushCo. stealing the 2000 election in plain sight. Arugula Latte May 2016 #55
Bizarre in the fact that what they did was a federal offense. 2 to be exact. HughBeaumont May 2016 #72
Should have been fixed after Reagan ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #8
The infotainment media enabled him BumRushDaShow May 2016 #9
any analysis of politics today that doesn't include rw talk radio is misleading certainot May 2016 #51
^^^THIS^^^ BumRushDaShow May 2016 #57
A huge AMEN to THIS^^^^. Wake up, Democrats, and start up your own Nay May 2016 #60
Idiots being led by the King of Idiots. Rex May 2016 #11
... so is the MSM ... and the Dem Party... modestybl May 2016 #13
Have you noticed Trump is bad at everything he does? world wide wally May 2016 #15
Why is his language and vocabulary so stilted? fasttense May 2016 #20
Because he is really dumb. dchill May 2016 #27
Because he makes them look smart. Katashi_itto May 2016 #44
It takes a concerted effort to be that kind of stupid. lpbk2713 May 2016 #17
I think a nominee for president sorefeet May 2016 #35
Not only for them ... lpbk2713 May 2016 #37
I'll just file this one away MynameisBlarney May 2016 #19
Half of the idiots are Doitnow May 2016 #23
"It was simply impossible for me to believe that Republican voters would nominate an obvious buffoon IDemo May 2016 #24
And Dan Quayle. And Sarah Palin. Zambero May 2016 #25
it's the racism n/t hibbing May 2016 #30
Pretty straight forward they weren't paying attention. Egnever May 2016 #31
Exactly my take on it, although I love Chait in that he calls them all idiots. They Nay May 2016 #49
Perfect rundown Egnever May 2016 #65
I won hundred percent agree with that Logical May 2016 #34
Electrolytes n/t Roy Rolling May 2016 #38
I thought the Republicans would railroad him for their personal choice ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #39
I like money mdbl May 2016 #41
Another member of the... sendero May 2016 #43
Agree, flat out this election will be about whose best at rigging the election. Katashi_itto May 2016 #45
I dunno, I just figured the GOP base redStateBlueHeart May 2016 #47
But every one of their primary candidates was xenophobic, nativist, etc. -- it's just Nay May 2016 #62
Can't argue with that redStateBlueHeart May 2016 #66
Idots, what about the ignorant Republicans and Independents, thinking Trump rladdi May 2016 #48
I blame it on the Egos of 17 candidates. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #52
Notice how they blame "everybody" for their own stupidity egalitegirl May 2016 #53
That's just more elitism. Marr May 2016 #54
Brawndo jayschool May 2016 #58
Who knew it was a documentary? lunatica May 2016 #63
K & R! HuckleB May 2016 #59
Bobby Jindal was right! Major Nikon May 2016 #61
Well, we have a real choice on the Democratic side... JEB May 2016 #64
That you fell for grand over-promises because you wanted to believe they were possible. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #71
Thanks for settling for whatever pittance you think you might possibly be getting. JEB May 2016 #73
LiberalArkie—Jonathan Chait is out of touch. Trump voters told R establishement to…[expletive] CobaltBlue May 2016 #67
By the way: I was not predicting Donald Trump to lose his bid for nomination. CobaltBlue May 2016 #68
You know how some dogs have that one spot where you scratch them and they go nuts, they LOVE it, Warren DeMontague May 2016 #69
A good description! They also like that he backhands women, too, and that his Nay May 2016 #70
You mean the general. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #79
even for as true as this is, this kind of "Trump supporters are all dumb" stuff being in media ericson00 May 2016 #74
The GOP is the party of arrogant loudmouth bigots killbotfactory May 2016 #75
And America is full of arrogant loudmouth bigots. I am predicting now Drumpf will Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #77
Indeed. There are studies to support this. Chemisse May 2016 #80
Because when it comes to what really happens on Main Street our Press and Elites One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #89

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
1. Accdg to Thom Hartmann Trump will...
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

...try to take on the persona of Ronald Reagan. (Seems to me all Republican POTUS wannabes do that anyway).

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
10. Great ...
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

... "As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said."
[link:http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/02/05/142288/reagan-centennial/|

elljay

(1,178 posts)
21. There you go again with those facts!
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

You're talking about Saint Ronnie here, and you won't get any of the Republican idiots to believe a word you say about taxes. Remember the Rob Corddry quote, "The facts have a well-known liberal bias."

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
81. Except he didn't raise it on the rich...
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

Only the middle and working class, while cutting benefits for poor families, redistributing those funds to fight a war against the same people while CIA flooded the street with cocaine from a certain Latin American drug lord with ties with CIA.

A policy that the Clinton's more than happily extended in the 90's.

Ultimately creating scenarios like the murder of Tamir Rice.

erronis

(15,216 posts)
85. +1 - lots of links to be explained
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

Between Reagan (and other US policies way back in the 1800's) and the horrors of living in US cities while the crumbling is ignored, or even abetted, by the people that control the world.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
76. He's like an experiment
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

he takes on everything that his people want to hear - he flip flops several times a day and nobody notices. Without the media he wouldn't have thrived.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
3. I never thought he would lose
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:33 PM
May 2016

In fact, I thought he might win.

But I am also not a guy who thinks he can predict the future.

I am reminded of Oscar Wilde though. I have "friend" on FB, for example, who think only idiots would ever vote for Hillary (there may also be a few such people in GDP). As the quote goes

I called them crazy, they called me crazy. They outvoted me.

So we call them idiots, they call us idiots. In the end, somebody will be outvoted.

Myself, I don't see what is so idiotic about supporting Trump. Consider the choices they had. Is Trump a worse choice than Cruz? Not by a significant amount that I can see. Is Trump worse than Rubio or Christie or Jeb? Is he worse than Fiorina? I was not one of those people who followed the campaign. I certainly saw no point to watching the debates for an election I would not be voting in.

Here's the other thing. Even if I did watch the debates and learn about all the candidates and thought one or two were significantly better than the others....well, er, I am perhaps not QUITE as conservative as the average Republican primary voter (alright no comments from the peanut gallery). So in the end if I call them idiots for not supporting Kasich over Trump then basically I am just calling them idiots for having a different viewpoint, different values than my super intelligent (if not genius (lol)) self.

What is kinda scary is this (anecdotally) My sister had a Bernie sign in her living room (courtesy of their 22 year old daughter). Her father in law said "I like Trump. He's got some good ideas."

The scary part. He's a long time Democrat. He's not an idiot either.

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
4. that's the fucking scariest thing I've ever heard
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:34 PM
May 2016

what "ideas" does Trump have? He only has a bunch of "outcomes": We will win, America will be stronger, get rid of immigrants, other countries will bow to our will.

He doesn't have any plans for how to achieve these *lofty* goals, and no brains to do so. He is a completely empty shell, devoid of even knowing what he doesn't know.

the fact that non-idiot Democrats can project "ideas" on to him, as if he has any, is frightening.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
5. I obviously don't know the other poster's relative
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

But every time I've pinned down such a "surprise" Trump supporter's reasons it's always come down to white male fragility and discomfort at loss of unchallenged privilege.

I say this as a white male and nobody's but a rabidly RWNJ Trump fan's idea of a SJW. I fully understand theere are exceptions by the boatload. I'm sure there are a few black female lifetime Dem Trump supporters if we look hard enough, but I'm pretty sure most new Trump fans are in the first mold.

wcast

(595 posts)
16. I agree and I'm surprised this is not more widely discussed.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

Times are changing, and much faster than many Whites have even imagined. After almost 400 years of being the majority culture, and looking down on all minorities or undesirables (by their definition), they are now being visited by a host of ills that they have long associated with the underclass while judging them as inferior and deserving of their circumstances.

Modern problems that affect Whites are looked at sympathetically. There is now a "heroin epidemic" because it now affects mostly Whites, even though heroin has been an issue for decades. Legislators are scrambling to bring relief in the form of legislation designed to provide anti-overdose medication and not charging individuals who contact law enforcement when overdoses happen. Juxtapose that to what happened during the crack epidemic in inner cities.

This is just one example of many circumstances that have troubled those outside the majority White culture for years and have now become suddenly of top concern to the White majority and legislatures.

The sad thing is Trump supporters are still looking for others to blame, whether career politicians or immigrants. And when all is said and done, they will still back the Republican agenda that really got them in the predicament they are in.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
29. Well that was nonsense
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016
There is now a "heroin epidemic" because it now affects mostly Whites


Or maybe because there is a Heroin epidemic.


Heroin use in the US has more than doubled since 2007. In 2013, more than 500,000 people said that they had used heroin in the past year — a nearly 150 percent increase in just six years, according to a CDC report released today. And what's worse is that almost all people who use heroin also use at least one other drug. Taken together, these two findings might explain why heroin claimed almost four times as many lives in 2013 as it did in 2000."



wcast

(595 posts)
40. Heroin has always been a problem.
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:41 AM
May 2016

It is only now that Whites are twice as likely than AA's and 3 times as likely than Hispanics to OD that politicians are getting behind doing something about it.

Reread my post instead of having a knee jerk reaction to what you think I said.

Response to wcast (Reply #40)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
50. The largest shift in heroin use is gender based, in the past it was over 80% male, now it is equal
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

women to men. Historically heroin use has been equalized between whites and African Americans, the percentage of users was about the same, now it is mostly whites. Mostly suburban white women who started using prescription drugs as opposed to mostly urban males who started off with heroin itself.
Another shifting factor is age, users are older now than in the 1960's....

As shown in Figure 2, heroin users who started their opioid abuse in the 1960s were primarily men (82.8%). In contrast, the rate of women seeking treatment has increased in recent decades, such that, in our sample, by 2010, there were nearly equal numbers of male and female heroin users seeking treatment. The ethnicity of heroin users seeking treatment also showed a marked shift from nearly equal white to nonwhite ratios in the 1960s to a dominance of white users (90.3%) by 2010 (Figure 3). Looking at age-related trends, as shown in Figure 4, we found that the mean (SEM) age of heroin users seeking treatment was 16.5 (0.3) years when they first began abusing opioids in the 1960s. The mean (SEM) age at initiation gradually increased over time to 22.9 (0.4) years in the decade starting 2010.
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1874575

Also, there is just more of it than before, aside from the demographic details the sheer number of users is much higher.

A

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
78. With the advent of Marijuana legalization, a new market needs to become
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

available to keep the private prisons full, police confiscation coffers stuffed, the usual suspects who stand to lose dollars.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
83. Arrest and prosecute illegal gun buyers and sellers. Prisons would be full to capacity for decades.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

Of course those criminals wouldn't be nearly as compliant and manageable as cannabis users.

Pakid

(478 posts)
6. I think a lot of people
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

believe that Trump will bring back the good jobs that we lost. Of course some people also believe in unicorns. No accounting for beliefs.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
28. Republicans are loyal to their team and also LOVE a BULLY.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:05 PM
May 2016

That's why Fox News and O'Reilly and Limbaugh have always been so popular.

That's why even though Trump deviates from party orthodoxy they love him.

The mistake conservatives made was that they thought the grassroots agreed with GOP ideology.

We democrats have always known they voted their fears and prejudices over their pocketbooks.

Trump allows them to vote their pocketbooks and their fears and prejudices.

As long as the person was labeled a republican, was a big blowhard and bully the grassroots would elect him even if he favored NATIONAL HEALTHCARE.

Look at OBAMA his healthcare was mostly a republican based plan but they voted against it because he was a DEMOCRAT.

If Trump had proposed a similar thing they would have all been pushing it.

Anger and swagger, and bullying tactics draw GOP voters.

erronis

(15,216 posts)
86. +1 - and because he is a maverick (NOT)
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

Them loves them some mavericks.

Them don't know that this orange flop head is just a preppy boy trying to talk and walk the stuff.

Them don't care since flop head says words that antagonize the mysterious powers-that-be.

Them want flop head to rule their little world.

Them may get it.

Up the @ss.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
87. I'll drop an easy one on you
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

TPP.

Trump opposes it, as do almost all non-elected Democrats.

Clinton was one of the primary people who brought it into existence.

TPP is a really fucking big deal. Like REALLY BIG.


Also, going to war is a pretty big deal too. I'm 100% certain beyond any doubt that Clinton will start at least one war, and possibly as many as five, in a single four-year term as President. If given two terms she could hit double digits. This is not a fantasy, it's based on her record of starting wars as Secretary of State. Hell, it seems to be one of the few things that evokes genuine happiness from her. There's millions of innocent lives that I potentially have to callously write off to vote Clinton.

Trump might takes us to war. Or he might not. He certainly doesn't seem to get off on it like Clinton does.


Meanwhile, the things that we would normally expect from a Democrat - the top of the list being looking out for the average Joe, the working class, the middle class - are not present with Clinton. She is decisively on the other side of that fight. On issues of financial repression, she sides with the banks every single time. And she sides with the corporatist profiteers on all other financial issues as well.

Not to mention, choosing Clinton is basically choosing to end the Democratic Party as we know it, leaving the working class with zero major-party champions. Which might be an improvement in the truth department over one that doesn't really mean it - at least we know where we stand - but isn't an improvement in any other way.

Trump... well, who the hell really knows? He's literally like a roll of the dice.


The decision between Clinton and Trump is not a clear cut one even for the most loyal Democrat. Given the guarantee of ruin and misery that Clinton represents to the 99%, more people than not are probably going to choose to roll the dice, to give themselves a chance of a better outcome.

hay rick

(7,600 posts)
26. A lot of "smart" people support Trump.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

I believe the deficiency that draws people to Trump can be lack of intelligence OR lack of paying attention OR a lack of common decency.

In the last 3 months I helped a candidate for the Florida legislature knock on 700 doors to ask people to sign petitions to get her on the ballot. I also volunteer with the local party at the office and events like the county fair and various festivals. Based on those experiences I can verify that a lot of Democrats and "independents" are also attracted to Trump. Their reasons are various, and mostly bogus in my opinion, but that doesn't change the uncomfortable truth.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
82. You and Ira Flatow
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

According to NPR itself, in 2015 NPR held its annual correspondents meeting and held a poll to see who thought which of the dozen-plus Republican clowns would win the nomination.

Only Flatow picked Donald Trump. Why?

Science!

Flatow, formerly of the Kraftwerk-themed PBS show Newton's Apple and now presenter of NPR's Science Friday, knows a thing or two about idiots, as they have assailed him and his science-based shows every week for decades.

I don't know if he's offered a detailed statement on why he picked as he did, but we can guess that observation played a huge role. He knows better than most that it is the stupid people, driven by belief rather than facts, who are the politically motivated activists. He surely guessed that it would be those stupid people who would gravitate like moths to flame around Trump's incandescent hatred.

That makes Ira Flatow the smartest guy in the room at NPR, and it makes people like me a little bit dumber, for refusing to take the America's epidemic of stupidity as seriously as it deserves.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
84. Since NPR became National Petroleum Radio,
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

the few remaining liberal thinkers there have learned a thing or two about republicans. None of it good.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
7. I believe that the media and their owners picked Trump the be the Big bad Bogeyman to force voters
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:56 PM
May 2016

to Hillary. They started off giving him huge amounts of free airtime and have kept it up ever since, virtually guaranteeing that he would beat the other Republican crazies. We would be so scared that we would all turn out to vote for Hillary. I think that they underestimated how a lot of people feel about Hillary though!

For the record I will be voting reluctantly for Hillary, Trump is not prepared at all. Both will sell us out to Wall Street, Big Pharma, insurance industry and the MIC, but at least Hillary knows how government works outside of bankruptcy court!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
14. Yep.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016

That is how the game works.
But in the end they will get the president they want even if they have to steal it.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
18. Trump himself might even have been on that goal.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

Who knows. The whole thing is so freaking weird, if we eventually find out that Hillary's camp and Trump had struck a deal before the primaries, it wouldn't surprise me...Weirder things have happened in US politics.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
55. Like BushCo. stealing the 2000 election in plain sight.
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

It was so clearly rigged in advance. The Brooks Brothers riot is just one bizarre aspect of that rigging.



If someone had told me before that election that a major party candidate could so obviously steal an election and then have the Supreme Court support him in the theft, I never would have believed it.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
72. Bizarre in the fact that what they did was a federal offense. 2 to be exact.
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

Crossing state lines to incite a riot and interfering with the recount process of a National Election.

Yet . . . not one arrest.

Curiouser and Curiouser . . . . or not.

I hear most of them have jobs in Repub think tanks now.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
8. Should have been fixed after Reagan ...
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

... then, with George W. Whatshisname, it was obvious that the country had been lost to the idiot rich ...

... without our bonding together and not letting the propaganda "get" to us, we will lose this time with many, many more criminal elements ensconced within our beautiful country's system ...

... Bernie is the only chance we have ...

BumRushDaShow

(128,714 posts)
9. The infotainment media enabled him
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

with the help of the RW talk radio that the GOP bigwigs nurtured, funded, and refused to challenge.... because Trump voices their platform in an entertaining, albeit, idiot-loving way. He basically codified the GOP's "anti-Southern Strategy", effectively negating Lee Atwater's call to "code talk" and dog-whistle the racism, sexism, and other bigotry that defined their policies and world views, and let it all hang loose in all its rancid glory. So now almost 50 years after Atwater, the circle is complete, as the GOP base is tired of masking their true nature. They felt that they had become too "politically correct" (an oxymoronic term that they coined), and Trump could eloquently ditch the masquerade on their behalf.

Behold the monster they created.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
51. any analysis of politics today that doesn't include rw talk radio is misleading
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:21 AM
May 2016

i'll bet poling would show 75%+ of trump voters are regular or semi regular talk radio listeners and it is astounding that there's no polling done to consider that linkage

since its content - the patterns of repetition etc., are completely and stupidly ignored by the left i did some simple math to help quantify the effect of talk radio on the country.

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, free market deregulation bullshit, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

that's about $4MIL/station per year with an average of over 20 stations per state.

that's what took atwater national, and 25 years of that alternate reality is what trump is riding

that's why he beat the PACs - they couldn't compete with that

Nay

(12,051 posts)
60. A huge AMEN to THIS^^^^. Wake up, Democrats, and start up your own
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

propaganda machine, even if you think you think voter education should work! It doesn't -- not in the face of the tsunami of RW radio hate!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. Idiots being led by the King of Idiots.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

They picked the most uneducated person they could find and I don't mean school smarts. I mean uneducated in the world around him, for such a traveled individual - Trump sure does come across as never having left his undisclosed billion dollar bunker, in his lifetime.

Why is that?

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
15. Have you noticed Trump is bad at everything he does?
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

He is a bad billionaire (having gone bankrupt 4 times and having his father and rich friends bail him out)
He is a bad tv star. (He can't act to save his life)
He is a bad decorator (just look at his buildings and interior design)
He is a bad public speaker (He just repeats bullshit over and over)
He is NOT a builder (He simply hires people to do EVERYTHING for him and then gives his stamp of approval)
He is a bad comedian (He is really not funny if he were in any other position)
He has a 3rd grade vocabulary.

So what does this all mean?
In the words of Bill Maher…. The American people are stupid!

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
20. Why is his language and vocabulary so stilted?
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

He sounds like a Palin with pauses at the end of thoughts. Why do Americans like such ignorant sounding fools?

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
35. I think a nominee for president
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:59 PM
May 2016

should also have a mental evaluation. I mean an unbiased thorough exam. By several shrinks. When you are going to turn a nut loose with the nuke button. This guy is off his rocker and it needs to be vetted. We have already had some unstable wackos Nixon, Bush, Raygun (dementia).

lpbk2713

(42,750 posts)
37. Not only for them ...
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016


but it would be of great value to make the same evaluation
apply to those who could be a heart beat away.




MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
19. I'll just file this one away
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

In the "No shit, Capt. Obvious!" file.

That the GOTP is slap full of morons has been plain as day since early 2000.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
23. Half of the idiots are
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

in the party and the other half are talking heads on MSNBC and CNN who are stupid enough to carry Trump all day and all night.

Way past time for everyone to start searching the web for alternative news sources. They are there.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
24. "It was simply impossible for me to believe that Republican voters would nominate an obvious buffoon
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

Hard to imagine such a thing, huh?

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
25. And Dan Quayle. And Sarah Palin.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:55 PM
May 2016

Nothing succeeds like success. Anything else is a small potatoe.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
31. Pretty straight forward they weren't paying attention.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

What were their choices? All of them were garbage.

The republican party has been courting racists for decades. At some point it was inevitable for the racist asshats to become a large enough block to be able to affect party politician selection. We had plenty of clues it was happening with the tea party starting to primary long standing republicans.

Combine a shrinking portion of the electorate with racist dog whistles over decades and Trump becomes inevitable in the republican party.

That does not mean he has any chance in the general, but going forward we should expect to see trump like candidates wining all sorts of things in the republican party. In fact we had already been seeing them for some time.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
49. Exactly my take on it, although I love Chait in that he calls them all idiots. They
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

are, but it didn't happen overnight. Not only was Trump inevitable, all those other loons who ran were inevitable, too. The crazed theocrats. The anti-abortion nuts. The conspiracy-theory black guy with a good education. The clueless scion of a former President. The bootstrappers. Teh stoopid allowed them all to prosper.

Who else is there in the Republican Party? Some of the base has run for the exits and some of their politicians are now Dems, to our detriment. In fact, you could make a case for a deliberate or inadvertent stealth takeover of the Democratic Party by Republicans. It's easier than forming another whole party. Cheaper, too. And everybody gets to vote Republican no matter which party they vote for. Win/win!

What was so, so, so unusual about the Republican primaries was that the anointed one, Jeb, turned out to be such a non-entity that everyone, not just Republicans, was aghast. How was Jeb even vetted? Did the big boys think, during the cat fight that was obviously coming up, that Jeb could possibly hold his own? Why?

Both Republican and Democratic voters can be forgiven for thinking that Trump seems like the best of the bunch. He is. He would be unlikely to rule as a theocrat, for example. For another example, it truly is impossible to discern whether he believes in his own bullshit, so you can't depend upon that. He's a total unknown, which may seem preferable to the 1% asslicker you KNOW is going to fuck you over and has said as such.

Add to that the complete disillusionment of the entire public in the whole election process -- hinky election antics (it's been 15 years--why hasn't this been fixed?); the crappy economy; the raping of the middle class and poor; etc., and you get an election where unusual candidates have a chance to shine. This has been that election.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
65. Perfect rundown
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:55 PM
May 2016

If Cruz was the nominee many would be saying the same thing. How did this crazy person get the republican nod....

To man they were all flawed deeply.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
43. Another member of the...
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:09 AM
May 2016

... "I don't get it" brigade spouts off.

It doesn't matter what Trump says because nothing any of them says means jack shit.

Why wouldn't people want to elect a dumbass that might do some good instead of an intelligent liar that is clearly working for the interests of the 1% only? It really is not as complicated or unreasonable as the "journalist" camp want to make it out to be.

Everyone things HRC is going to walk all over Trump. I wouldn't bet on it.

redStateBlueHeart

(265 posts)
47. I dunno, I just figured the GOP base
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

Wouldn't be THAT stupid. I guess I underestimated the number of xenophobic, nativist, gullible people in this country.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
62. But every one of their primary candidates was xenophobic, nativist, etc. -- it's just
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

that most of them dog-whistled their way in. And some of them dog-whistled their disdain for women, which unfortunately appeals to lots of those big manly men .

So, who out of the 16 or so candidates could they rationally vote for even if they tried to be rational? None of them. Which one is the candidate for the non-stupid voter?

rladdi

(581 posts)
48. Idots, what about the ignorant Republicans and Independents, thinking Trump
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:08 AM
May 2016

will fix their issues they have concerns about. Well Trump will be the downfall of America, he will destroy this nation. If you look at all the crazies who is supporting him and now the people he is hiring to help him with his administration, its scarcy.
The GOP allowed the Tea Party to control them, now it Donald Trump. The GOP has not true leader or intelligent politicians to run them. It is a lost party.
But I look at the Republican controlled states and those voters are getting exactly what they elected. ignorant governors who are failing them.
And the Washington politicians say let the states have control, move it from Washington. That is insane.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
52. I blame it on the Egos of 17 candidates.
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

Damned few of them had a ghost of a chance, Kasich being the most obvious.

The mass of 17 egos, most of whom refused to admit they had no real chance to win, created the Trump Singularity. He swallowed up all the other egos and now threatens to suck us all into a Trump Black hole.

 

egalitegirl

(362 posts)
53. Notice how they blame "everybody" for their own stupidity
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

Whoever made wrong predictions should stop claiming "everybody" erred.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
54. That's just more elitism.
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

The Republican base is fed up with their party's establishment, which they've come to realize has an agenda quite apart from their own. For decades, they've been paying them lip service during campaign season, then devoting their actual governing time to servicing big banks and international conglomerates.

Is racism a big factor in support for Trump? Undeniably, yes-- but that's been part of the GOP sales pitch for more than 50 years now. Is Trump an idiot? He certainly seems to be. But is he any more idiotic than GW Bush?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
71. That you fell for grand over-promises because you wanted to believe they were possible.
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:06 AM
May 2016

Thankfully, that doesn't look likely to happen.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
73. Thanks for settling for whatever pittance you think you might possibly be getting.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

Almost something to kinda believe in.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
69. You know how some dogs have that one spot where you scratch them and they go nuts, they LOVE it,
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:55 AM
May 2016

their leg shakes, they pee on the rug, etc etc?

Trump figured that out with the GOP base. It's not abortion, or naked boobs on teevee, or people saying "happy holidays", or whatever other bullshit crap their party poobahs have tried to keep them distracted with over the years- not that they don't care about those things, but Trump realized there's something they care about way MORE, and they've figured out that their leaders are speaking out of both sides of their mouths on the matter- namely, immigration.

For several obvious reasons (demographics, electoral reality, big business liking cheap labor that is paid under the table, etc) the establishment of the GOP has tried to have it both ways on immigration for a long time. And Trump showed up and called bullshit on it- doesn't matter whether he "really" believes the crap he says (I suspect the only thing he really believes in is Trump, Trump, and more Trump) or that his proposals are ludicrous AND offensive.

What matters is, he found the magic spot to scratch the dog.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
70. A good description! They also like that he backhands women, too, and that his
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:47 AM
May 2016

wife/wives are gorgeous models and act like Stepford wives, put in their place by the head of the household who holds all the money. There are an unholy number of men out there who'd LOVE to be in Trump's place in order to pull off this little "lord of the manor" trick with the wife and kids. Read the MRA boards and just grok the anger there.

And you're right -- it doesn't matter what Trump says, really; it's the EMOTION he arouses in the base that has put Trump over the top. That's why he can get away with saying anything. It's the emotional connection that is crucial in his win. And I will say that Clinton will probably have a hell of a time beating him in the primary. The American public, through decades of slick advertising methods, have been taught to react viscerally and emotionally to products of every kind. A presidential candidate is no different.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
79. You mean the general.
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:14 PM
May 2016

I have no doubt that there's an element of his support that is retrograde on everything from gender to race (to put it mildly), to be sure-- and clearly there's also an element of "he's refreshingly un-PC"... I mean, there is a certain aspect of shock entertainment value when everyone goes "you can't say THAT" and dude comes out and says it anyway.

But, really, top of the list, above all else? Immigration. That's why he's gonna be the nominee.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
74. even for as true as this is, this kind of "Trump supporters are all dumb" stuff being in media
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

is the fuel that feeds Trump and energizes Republicans! Is Chait iching to get Trump elected?

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
77. And America is full of arrogant loudmouth bigots. I am predicting now Drumpf will
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

steal the election.

By steal I mean he will utilize the fact that approximately 4 million black and student americans wont be allowed to vote to steal the WH.

We are in for great pain, all of us.

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