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Wed May 11, 2016, 07:15 AM

There is a new internet-meme going around, misinforming about electric cars.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/6/1524012/-Someone-is-lying-about-electric-cars-on-the-internet#read-more

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Actually, the first pic is a copper-mine. Not a lithium-mine.
And the second pic is steam-extraction of oil-sand, which is a rarely used method.





This is what lithium-mining looks like. Lithium is harvested from underground brine, which is then evaporated in large pools:

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Here's another pic of steam-extraction of oil-sand:

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And here's a pic how oil-sand is usually harvested:

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By golly! This almost looks like mining!!!

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Reply There is a new internet-meme going around, misinforming about electric cars. (Original post)
DetlefK May 2016 OP
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #1
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #2
NewJeffCT May 2016 #12
James48 May 2016 #3
Fuddnik May 2016 #4
FrodosPet May 2016 #5
lagomorph777 May 2016 #14
forgotmylogin May 2016 #6
TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #7
Fumesucker May 2016 #15
TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #18
forgotmylogin May 2016 #8
Vogon_Glory May 2016 #9
47of74 May 2016 #10
groundloop May 2016 #11
d_legendary1 May 2016 #13
Overseas May 2016 #16
jwirr May 2016 #17

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:26 AM

1. It's a measure of how much oil profits have fallen

that they're using memegenerator for their propaganda.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:07 AM

2. no doubt circulated by your right-wing Uncle Liberty as proof of the perfidy and stupidity

 

of libruls

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 09:54 AM

12. and, it's amazing how quickly those RW memes proliferate

it's like they have a gigantic mailing list of everybody that is registered as a Republican and they get auto-emailed out these memes and then autoposted to Facebook, Twitter, etc. Then, they get retweeted or shared and pretty soon, it gets out to a crapload of people.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:21 AM

3. Yup

and those right wingers will believe anything-

after all- they saw it on the internet.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:35 AM

4. The Empire strikes back!

And, I'll keep my electric car, thank you.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:38 AM

5. It is ALL a dirty, nasty business

Lithium batteries still need a lot of copper and aluminum. So you still need the huge copper strip mines.

And lithium mining and processing is still a dirty business.
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Chemetall Foote Lithium Operation at Silver Peak



Greenbrushes Lithium Mine in Western Australia





Soquimich Lithium Mine (Chile)





Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia





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I am not saying that oil sands are any better. Between the greenhouse effect and the usefulness of petroleum in chemistry and materials manufacturing, we HAVE to get away from petroleum. But in the interest of truth, we have to acknowledge that technology is dirty pretty much all around.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #5)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:00 AM

14. The materials in the car are used continuously for years, whereas fuel is consumed.

A typical 2,000 lb car will burn 24,000 lbs of gasoline in 10 years.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:43 AM

6. Yeah, those oil sand sites in Canada...

...aren't proving to be destructive or bad for the environment at all.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:44 AM

7. Not to mention that lithium is used for LOTS of batteries

so even if it was stripped mined, you can't put all the blame on EVs unless you're willing to ditch all your battery operated devices.

They're also pleased as punch to strip mine for COAL.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #7)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:12 AM

15. It's a matter of scale, EVs use a ~lot~ of batteries....

For instance an 18650 cell, probably the most common one, is eighteen mm in diameter and sixty five mm long, the current Tesla sedan uses over five thousand of them, usually there are six in a standard full size laptop battery and nine in the extended use model.

Lithium though is to a big extent recyclable, it isn't used up in the process of wearing out a battery and can be reclaimed at the end of life.

Not to mention that long after an EV battery is no longer useful for powering an EV it can still be used for stationary power where the demands are far less severe, for your solar power system for instance, DIY types are doing this already and sooner or later it will become a commercial thing.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #15)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:59 AM

18. I didn't realize they could be recycled that way

That's pretty cool. It seems like a good opportunity for a buyback program. I would think that there would be quite a market for recycled EV batteries to the people who want the greenest option.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:47 AM

8. Also, battery technology is improving.

A lot of points have been put into the tech tree for making batteries smaller, more powerful, more capacious and longer lasting.

We still have to burn stuff to make electricity, but hopefully when we get solar roads and roofs on everyone's house, that will dwindle.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:48 AM

9. Right-wingers have never been good at dealing with inconvenient details

Right-wingers have never been good at dealing with inconvenient details. Until very recently, they've been all too willing to let someone else do their thinking for them.

The success of the Donald is partly due to the fact that some of these right-wingers have become dimly aware that they're being lied to by some of their sources.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 09:21 AM

10. Yeah I've seen this too...

....and I say fuck these guys.

I wouldn't even bother trying to hold a conversation with them. There's no use to doing that seeing as how they got their heads so far up FOX News hindparts that every time someone yawns there they see daylight.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 09:27 AM

11. Batteries can be recycled, oil not so much.


These pro-oil propagandists conveniently neglect the fact that nearly all components in batteries are recyclable, whereas when oil is used as fuel it just goes into our atmosphere.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 09:56 AM

13. Memes are what the youth use now a days to make a point

about anything (politics, generalities, etc.). Weather or not they are truthful is irrelevant. The message is all that matters. Case in point:

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:20 AM

16. K&R.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:20 AM

17. Thank you for truth.

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