Sun May 8, 2016, 02:58 PM

Trans folks are not deadly weapons. The comparrison is dehumanizing.

What motivates folks to make such comparisons?

And now we even have a poll about it?

WTF???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172192619

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Trans folks are not deadly weapons. The comparrison is dehumanizing. (Original post)	stone space	May 2016	OP
Why resurrect a post that is over one year old? n/t	Waldorf	May 2016	#1
I fixed the link. The poll I meant to link to is from today. (nt)	stone space	May 2016	#2
can you point out where someone does this ?	JI7	May 2016	#3
See the link. (I had it wrong, earlier.)	stone space	May 2016	#4
yeah it's a fucked up comparison	JI7	May 2016	#7
It's hard to imagine what would cause folks to think that way.	stone space	May 2016	#15
And what "folks" would that be, and where did they do so?	friendly_iconoclast	May 2016	#39
Do you honestly think that ...	Straw Man	May 2016	#42
How did I know this was another stone space thread without looking?	linuxman	May 2016	#5
What a maroon. I can't believe someone actually went there. Must have been a gun-nutter.	madinmaryland	May 2016	#6
I didn't- I compared two moral panics to each other, not 'people to inanimate objects'	friendly_iconoclast	May 2016	#8
Your poll was dehumanizing, and rightly hidden.	stone space	May 2016	#10
Says the poster with 6 hides	Lurks Often	May 2016	#11
The OP isn't about me. But your attempt to change the subject is revealing. (nt)	stone space	May 2016	#12
Given your repeated hides and timeouts from be allowing to post here	Lurks Often	May 2016	#14
Perhaps a self-avowed Zimmerman supporter is not the one to be spreading that message?	stone space	May 2016	#16
How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#18
My position on gunstalking and murder has been stated elsewhere. (nt)	stone space	May 2016	#19
How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#20
Take your Zimmerman supporting bullshit to the gungeon.	stone space	May 2016	#21
Why can't you answer simple questions?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#22
Go away. This isn't the gungeon.	stone space	May 2016	#23
It's not a hard question, why won't you answer it?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#25
Go away. This isn't the gungeon. (nt)	stone space	May 2016	#27
Why are you afraid to answer a simple question?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#28
Go away, and take your Zimmerman supporting bullshit with you.	stone space	May 2016	#29
Why won't you answer a simple question?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#31
You're right, your OP doesn't deserve to be bumped back to the top	Lurks Often	May 2016	#34
I think you should continue wasting people's time. It allows you purpose.	LanternWaste	May 2016	#32
Thanks for that meaningless advice!	Lurks Often	May 2016	#33
It isn't GCRA or your class room either.	beevul	May 2016	#36
People who open carry are more dangerous	Matrosov	May 2016	#17
Exept nobody nobody said they were.	beevul	May 2016	#9
Transexuals are not deadly weapons, so there is nothing to compare.	stone space	May 2016	#13
Just like your posts are rightly hidden?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#24
Go away. This isn't the gungeon. (nt)	stone space	May 2016	#26
Why is the "Gungeon" your favorite group?	Lurks Often	May 2016	#30
Nobody said they were...	beevul	May 2016	#35
sometimes people deserve public shaming. this is one of those moments	La Lioness Priyanka	May 2016	#37
No shame accrues, as the doctrinaire and mendacious have no moral authority	friendly_iconoclast	May 2016	#38
Sometimes people resist learning any lessons. Sucks to be them	La Lioness Priyanka	May 2016	#40
And others are easily led to believe they see what someone else wants them to see, but...	friendly_iconoclast	May 2016	#44
Dehumanizing. Yes, Such accusations have been noticed by the Mental Health Community	HereSince1628	May 2016	#41
It would have been dehumanizing, if such a suggestion had actually been made.	friendly_iconoclast	May 2016	#45
Lets examine your claim, OP, for truthiness.	beevul	May 2016	#43
Thank you for the support, but it appears the OP has abandoned his thread	friendly_iconoclast	May 2016	#46
You're welcome.	beevul	May 2016	#47
It's the same mindset that drives the "bathroom safety volunteers"	friendly_iconoclast	May 2016	#48
Strange - didn't you start a thread comparing Gay folks and black folks to AR-15s??	jmg257	May 2016	#49

Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:01 PM

Waldorf (654 posts)

1. Why resurrect a post that is over one year old? n/t

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Response to Waldorf (Reply #1)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:02 PM

stone space (6,498 posts)

2. I fixed the link. The poll I meant to link to is from today. (nt)

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:03 PM

JI7 (82,663 posts)

3. can you point out where someone does this ?

It's hard reading through the entire thing

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:05 PM

stone space (6,498 posts)

4. See the link. (I had it wrong, earlier.)

The same folks have been comparing Black folks and gay folks to deadly weapons for some time, now.

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Response to stone space (Reply #4)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:15 PM

JI7 (82,663 posts)

7. yeah it's a fucked up comparison

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Response to JI7 (Reply #7)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:44 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

15. It's hard to imagine what would cause folks to think that way.

I was shocked the first time they compared being Black with being a deadly weapon.

Then they switched to comparing gays with deadly weapons.

And now it's Transexuals.

Who will it be, next?

I bet it'll be a long, long time before they start comparing unarmed straight white males to deadly weapons.

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Response to stone space (Reply #15)

Mon May 9, 2016, 03:54 PM

friendly_iconoclast (15,189 posts)

39. And what "folks" would that be, and where did they do so?

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Response to stone space (Reply #4)

Mon May 9, 2016, 06:56 PM

Straw Man (5,423 posts)

42. Do you honestly think that ...

... that poll in any way supports or legitimizes transphobia?

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:10 PM

linuxman (2,337 posts)

5. How did I know this was another stone space thread without looking?

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:14 PM

madinmaryland (63,067 posts)

6. What a maroon. I can't believe someone actually went there. Must have been a gun-nutter.

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #6)

Sun May 8, 2016, 04:30 PM

friendly_iconoclast (15,189 posts)

8. I didn't- I compared two moral panics to each other, not 'people to inanimate objects'

The moral panic about the open carry fools (and yes, in my opinion they ARE fools and I never
would do or advocate openly carrying like that) is no more based in reality than the transphobic one.

Just to make clear: Neither group is more dangerous than the population as a whole is,
and all the shouting and handwaving about them is mere political posturing for
the 'benefit' of certain very different political constituencies.

I will continue to reiterate that unless and until someone can show statistics that open carriers
are somehow more dangerous than average

Also, the OP appears to have something of a truthiness problem about the subject:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172145212#post2

These gun fettishist assholes don't give a flying fuck how cold it is in the freezer.

What if folks had found themselves locked in the freezer, and had not been able to get out?

Do the gun fetishists care about anybody other than themselves?

www.democraticunderground.com/1172145212#post28

Safety releases
have been standard on walk in freezer doors for decades.

http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/the-gun-report-may-9-2014/?_r=1

An earlier version of this post included information from Sgt. Ray Bush of the Forth Worth Police Department, who wrote in an email last week that the employees at the Jack in the Box where Open Carry Texas staged a demonstration “locked themselves inside a freezer for protection out of fear the rifle-carrying men would rob them.” However, Brian Luscomb, vice president of corporate communications for Jack in the Box, told the New York Times this evening, “Our employees told us that they did not hide in the freezer.” We have amended the post to reflect this new information.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #8)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:20 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

10. Your poll was dehumanizing, and rightly hidden.

Post the jury results if you dare.

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Response to stone space (Reply #10)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:35 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

11. Says the poster with 6 hides

Maybe you don't want to be discussing hidden posts, you currently have 6 hides and are only allowed to post due to Skinner's amnesty, otherwise you would be banned from posting on DU until near the end of June.

Here is your transparency page: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=313825&sub=trans

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #11)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:39 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

12. The OP isn't about me. But your attempt to change the subject is revealing. (nt)

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Response to stone space (Reply #12)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:43 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

14. Given your repeated hides and timeouts from be allowing to post here

I think it is important for everyone on DU to know that anything you post should be taken with a grain of salt

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #14)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:45 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

16. Perhaps a self-avowed Zimmerman supporter is not the one to be spreading that message?

I think it is important for everyone on DU to know that anything you post should be taken with a grain of salt

Just sayin'...

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Response to stone space (Reply #16)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:47 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

18. How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

Supporting due process, the right to a fair trial and the concept of reasonable doubt is not being a Zimmerman supporter.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #18)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:55 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

19. My position on gunstalking and murder has been stated elsewhere. (nt)

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Response to stone space (Reply #19)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:56 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

20. How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

It's not a hard question, why can't you answer it?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #20)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:07 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

21. Take your Zimmerman supporting bullshit to the gungeon.

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

It's not a hard question, why can't you answer it?

The only gungeon bullshit that belongs here in this thread is an explanation as to why unarmed Transexuals are being compared with deadly weapons.

The rest of it is off-topic.

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Response to stone space (Reply #21)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:13 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

22. Why can't you answer simple questions?

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

It's not a hard question, why can't you answer it?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #22)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:15 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

23. Go away. This isn't the gungeon.

Why can't you answer simple questions?

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

It's not a hard question, why can't you answer it?

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Response to stone space (Reply #23)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:16 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

25. It's not a hard question, why won't you answer it?

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #25)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:19 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

27. Go away. This isn't the gungeon. (nt)

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Response to stone space (Reply #27)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:20 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

28. Why are you afraid to answer a simple question?

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #28)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:22 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

29. Go away, and take your Zimmerman supporting bullshit with you.

Why are you afraid to answer a simple question?

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

This isn't the gungeon.

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Response to stone space (Reply #29)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:28 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

31. Why won't you answer a simple question?

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

And if you hate the "Gungeon" so much why are 32% of ALL your posts in that one group you hate so much?

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Mon May 9, 2016, 09:08 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

34. You're right, your OP doesn't deserve to be bumped back to the top

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Mon May 9, 2016, 08:47 AM

LanternWaste (36,780 posts)

32. I think you should continue wasting people's time. It allows you purpose.

I think you should continue wasting people's time. It allows you purpose and meaning that seems would otherwise be lacking. Good luck.

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Mon May 9, 2016, 09:06 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

33. Thanks for that meaningless advice!

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Mon May 9, 2016, 01:19 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

36. It isn't GCRA or your class room either.

You have no authority or credibility here.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #8)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:47 AM

Matrosov (1,098 posts)

17. People who open carry are more dangerous

They're carrying a deadly weapon with them. That inherently makes them more dangerous. Their intent doesn't even matter, because open carrying creates a chance for them to have a negligent discharge or for someone to grab their weapon, a chance that didn't exist before.

What makes transgendered people inherently more dangerous?

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Sun May 8, 2016, 05:18 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

9. Exept nobody nobody said they were.

What was being compared was a couple of moral panics, not people and guns.

Brush up on your reading comprehension.

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Mon May 9, 2016, 07:40 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

13. Transexuals are not deadly weapons, so there is nothing to compare.

The poll was rightly hidden.

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Mon May 9, 2016, 08:15 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

24. Just like your posts are rightly hidden?

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Mon May 9, 2016, 08:19 AM

stone space (6,498 posts)

26. Go away. This isn't the gungeon. (nt)

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Mon May 9, 2016, 08:27 AM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

30. Why is the "Gungeon" your favorite group?

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Mon May 9, 2016, 01:17 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

35. Nobody said they were...

Nobody said they were, and they were not being compared with anything.

As you and I and everyone else that takes the time to read knows.

The poll was a terrible hide.

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Mon May 9, 2016, 01:22 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

37. sometimes people deserve public shaming. this is one of those moments

thanks for bringing this to light

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Mon May 9, 2016, 03:52 PM

friendly_iconoclast (15,189 posts)

38. No shame accrues, as the doctrinaire and mendacious have no moral authority

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Mon May 9, 2016, 04:58 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

40. Sometimes people resist learning any lessons. Sucks to be them

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Tue May 10, 2016, 12:06 PM

friendly_iconoclast (15,189 posts)

44. And others are easily led to believe they see what someone else wants them to see, but...

what they see isn't actually there...

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Mon May 9, 2016, 06:29 PM

HereSince1628 (36,063 posts)

41. Dehumanizing. Yes, Such accusations have been noticed by the Mental Health Community

Not that it has changed politicians or political bulletin boards.

But the AP did change its rules on the misuse and abuse of adjectives suggesting or/associating with mental illness with violence and crime.

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Tue May 10, 2016, 12:09 PM

friendly_iconoclast (15,189 posts)

45. It would have been dehumanizing, if such a suggestion had actually been made.

It was not.

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Mon May 9, 2016, 10:56 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

43. Lets examine your claim, OP, for truthiness.

Your statement:

Trans folks are not deadly weapons. The comparrison is dehumanizing.

What motivates folks to make such comparisons?

Your statement contains an implicit claim, that someone actually IS comparing Trans folks to deadly weapons.

In support of this claim, you link to this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172192619 which reads:

Thread title: "Poll in regard to the moral panic over open carry of firearms"

First line in the post:"In your opinion, how does it compare to the current right-wing transphobic moral panic?"

Nowhere are trans folks being compared to weapons.

So, in an effort to game a jury (which IMO crosses the line into gaming the jury system, and Skinner has been very clear how he feels about gaming the system), you implicitly accuse another poster of doing something which they clearly, unambiguously and obviously did not do.

But that wasn't enough for you was it. You got away with it once, and you just couldn't resist doubling down on it and posting it to GD. I appreciate that. It gives me an opportunity to dissect and expose the dishonest nastiness of your claim for what it is, out in the open for all to see.

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Tue May 10, 2016, 12:11 PM

friendly_iconoclast (15,189 posts)

46. Thank you for the support, but it appears the OP has abandoned his thread

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #46)

Tue May 10, 2016, 12:38 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

47. You're welcome.

Thank you for the support...

You're welcome.

...but it appears the OP has abandoned his thread

Thats ok. Others can make note of his behavior in his absence, and draw their own conclusions.

Frankly I'm surprised he didn't selectively self delete before the truth was made known.

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Tue May 10, 2016, 12:49 PM

friendly_iconoclast (15,189 posts)

48. It's the same mindset that drives the "bathroom safety volunteers"

The moral panic-mongers like Pat McCrory and Michael Bloomberg gin up an issue
for political gain, and the credulous swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Nothing new under the sun:

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Tue May 10, 2016, 03:17 PM

jmg257 (11,829 posts)

49. Strange - didn't you start a thread comparing Gay folks and black folks to AR-15s??

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Trans folks are not deadly weapons. The comparrison is dehumanizing.

1. Why resurrect a post that is over one year old? n/t

2. I fixed the link. The poll I meant to link to is from today. (nt)

3. can you point out where someone does this ?

4. See the link. (I had it wrong, earlier.)

7. yeah it's a fucked up comparison

15. It's hard to imagine what would cause folks to think that way.

39. And what "folks" would that be, and where did they do so?

42. Do you honestly think that ...

5. How did I know this was another stone space thread without looking?

6. What a maroon. I can't believe someone actually went there. Must have been a gun-nutter.

8. I didn't- I compared two moral panics to each other, *not* 'people to inanimate objects'

10. Your poll was dehumanizing, and rightly hidden.

11. Says the poster with 6 hides

12. The OP isn't about me. But your attempt to change the subject is revealing. (nt)

14. Given your repeated hides and timeouts from be allowing to post here

16. Perhaps a self-avowed Zimmerman supporter is not the one to be spreading that message?

18. How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

19. My position on gunstalking and murder has been stated elsewhere. (nt)

20. How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated?

21. Take your Zimmerman supporting bullshit to the gungeon.

22. Why can't you answer simple questions?

23. Go away. This isn't the gungeon.

25. It's not a hard question, why won't you answer it?

27. Go away. This isn't the gungeon. (nt)

28. Why are you afraid to answer a simple question?

29. Go away, and take your Zimmerman supporting bullshit with you.

31. Why won't you answer a simple question?

34. You're right, your OP doesn't deserve to be bumped back to the top

32. I think you should continue wasting people's time. It allows you purpose.

33. Thanks for that meaningless advice!

36. It isn't GCRA or your class room either.

17. People who open carry are more dangerous

9. Exept nobody nobody said they were.

13. Transexuals are not deadly weapons, so there is nothing to compare.

24. Just like your posts are rightly hidden?

26. Go away. This isn't the gungeon. (nt)

30. Why is the "Gungeon" your favorite group?

35. Nobody said they were...

37. sometimes people deserve public shaming. this is one of those moments

38. No shame accrues, as the doctrinaire and mendacious have no moral authority

40. Sometimes people resist learning any lessons. Sucks to be them

44. And others are easily led to believe they see what someone else wants them to see, but...

41. Dehumanizing. Yes, Such accusations have been noticed by the Mental Health Community

45. It *would* have been dehumanizing, if such a suggestion had actually been made.

43. Lets examine your claim, OP, for truthiness.

46. Thank you for the support, but it appears the OP has abandoned his thread

47. You're welcome.

48. It's the same mindset that drives the "bathroom safety volunteers"

49. Strange - didn't you start a thread comparing Gay folks and black folks to AR-15s??

8. I didn't- I compared two moral panics to each other, not 'people to inanimate objects'

45. It would have been dehumanizing, if such a suggestion had actually been made.