Not going to vote?

[kpete]

:large

[KPN]

1. I'm not going to vote for Hillary.

[Gene Debs]

20. Me neither.

[SusanLarson]

50. Likewise

Pretending war is one thing but clinton has gone way past that. On war Clinton is to the right of all republican candidates. She's a unrepentant hawk

[greymouse]

53. #BernieOrBust

Hillary loves war. Hard to say which of them loves it more.

Voting Bernie all the way, write in if necessary.

[Katashi_itto]

63. Agree

[awoke_in_2003]

65. I am a sanders supporter

But if HRC wins the primary, and you don't vote for her, then STFU when Trump wins.

[KPN]

66. Why?! Bernie would have beat him!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

71. Why STFU? We've been warning people for a long time now that her candidacy is a disaster.

I won't be wearing the blame if she doesn't manage to win.

[itcfish]

84. ahhhh

So all you spoiled brats who did not get your way, will not vote for Hillary and let Trump win. Wow that will show us! What kind of mentality is that? Geez, just picture the Supreme Court if nothing else.

[Duckhunter935]

86. Many said the true democrats will have her back

You say you do not want us or need us, OK, I will ensure I vote down ticket.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

91. You can call me names--I know it's all the rage right now

But what do you hope to accomplish?

[KPN]

92. A clear conscience.

[clarice]

89. Me either.nt

[Peacetrain]

2. That is just chilling

When we get the primary caucus season behind us.. I hope people can see who the "real" enemy is

[RiverNoord]

37. The word 'enemy' has some very strong connotations.

Its primary proper use is to identify armed opposition during a military conflict. It is also sometimes used to describe internal pressures experienced by a person that the person regards as something approximating a mortal foe. Intense hatred is sometimes described as an enemy by the person experiencing it.

'Opponent' is a general-purpose description used to identify opposing parties in much lower-intensity conflicts, such as sports, games, and political contests. Generally, opponents are choosing to take part in an activity that requires opposition for it to even exist. It's really hard, for example, to play a game of baseball with only one team. It's also very difficult to hold an election with only one person to vote for.

If we are actually divided up into friend and foe, enemy and friendly, over an election, then the country should be nearing open civil war.

I don't quite think that's the case.

Politics isn't that simple. Government isn't that simple. And every person who regards political opponents as 'enemies' (other than, again, during open civil war) is not only taking the competitive aspect of the political process much too seriously, she/he is also dehumanizing large numbers fellow citizens, much like the implementation of wartime propaganda.

Now, I'll admit that Donald Trump is already at a point where even the slightest dehumanization could result in him becoming a different species. But he isn't literally leading an army to seize control of the White House by force.

I would find a Donald Trump presidency to be bizarre and disturbing, and I'd probably make a habit of sending a letter of apology every day to a different country.

But if Donald Trump is 'the enemy,' then so is everyone who would vote for him. And yet, all we're actually doing is holding organized elections to fill government office vacancies.

Just a little something to chew over, I hope.

[KPN]

62. I dunno ... I got a pretty good view of it already.

It be Hillary, the DNC, the entrenched, the I'll informed, the uninformed, the single issue rabids, the New Democrats (read: Repugs when it comes to economy, Third Wayers, neo-libs, Triangulators, moral idiots), oh yeah, and the GOP.

All of them. No votes for them!

[HuckleB]

3. I remember 2000, all too well, and this is much scarier.

I'll be voting.

[Duckhunter935]

4. Yep, not going to vote for him

Not going to vote for her either. Good thing my state does not matter. I will gladly vote down ticket.

[MissDeeds]

8. I'm with you

I am not going to vote for a candidate who not only voted for the Iraq war, but gave a speech advocating for it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Writing in Bernie and voting down ticket Democratic. Won't matter for my state either.

NOT voting for Hillary EVER!

[Duckhunter935]

46. we can't write in here

Probably Jill or might just leave blank

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Either way.....leads to a clear conscious.

[Duckhunter935]

58. Yep, a good thing

[KPN]

64. Ditto!

[AgadorSparticus]

5. It's funny how people get blinded by their hate

....and so indignant with their double standard...all in the name of progressivism. I smh. I am just glad the Bernieorbust folks represent a small fraction.

[MisterP]

7. it's going to be millions of indys, not progressives: Clinton's the warmonger, Trump an isolationist

ignorant and bomb-happy, sure, but she knows how to get a war started--heck, she's already done a few at State! this'll be the main attraction!

[AgadorSparticus]

9. It won't take much to get trump folks to froth at the mouth for war.

And if People think Trump is a dove, I don't know what to say.....

[MisterP]

12. and people who think Clinton's a dove?

maybe if we cross our toes as well as our fingers!

[AgadorSparticus]

14. So, my point is, if they want to go to war, they are going to go to war.

People bitching about Hillary being a war hawk and not Trump is a little myopic. And to think that Bernie can stop any war movement is also a little myopic. He will not have anyone supporting him. Everyone is bought and paid for. Like it or not, that's how our system works. We barter. You give up some things to have others. That's how they work. Don't you people watch House of Cards??? 😜😆😂 just kidding....

But seriously, with Hillary, I atleast know Roe v. Wade will stay intact.

[MisterP]

18. maybe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511316086
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511233638
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511258371

[AgadorSparticus]

30. Most likely. I highly doubt she would ever go back on prochoice. That would be political suicide.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/242001-hillary-hits-back-against-gop-abortion-bill

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/debunking_the_latest_lie_about_hillary_clinton_no_she_didnt_say_she_supports_a_20_week_ban_on_abortion/

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/24/hillary-clinton-rallies-planned-parenthood-vote-fi/?page=all

[MisterP]

31. you'd think that making sure the cartels are installed in Honduras would be political suicide too

[AgadorSparticus]

38. But that's over there. Out of sight, out of mind. Issues of prochoice brings strong emotions.

Most people don't even know where Honduras is much less if it is even a country. Truth is, that is too easy. Throw in some national security and a pinch of racism, and presto! You have public approval.

[840high]

34. I don't hate her. Just find

I have nothing in common with her.

[AgadorSparticus]

43. Good on you for not hating. I see a lot of haters on this board.

I can sympathize with you to some degree. I make no claim that Hillary is a saint. I see a very astute politician that has learned to be adept in what she does with all the hate and opposition that has always swirled around her.

I don't think she is perfect and I certainly don't think she is evil. She stands politically closer to what I believe than anyone on the right. Is it exactly what I believe? Hell no. But that is our system. I hope and pray for changes from the bottom up. I don't think the revolution is going away. We have work to do on a local and state leve and I think it coming.

But to demonize the best candidate we've got for the job at this point in time, is counterproductive to progressive change. I see some very foolhardy decisions based on emotions. Not surprising. People make terrible decisions when they are driven by anger or fear.

[RiverNoord]

44. You really don't get it.

If you mean for your comments to be relevant in terms of describing reality, then I would ask that you consider this.

I'm 45 years old. I've voted for Democrats exclusively all my adult life. I don't 'hate' Hillary Clinton - I've never met her or any member of her family, and actual hate is pretty hard to bear against someone you've never met who hasn't directly, personally harmed someone you care about.

I'm also not 'blinded,' although I had to finally go with bifocals (part time only) this year, after accidentally crunching my prior pair of eyeglasses.

I don't think I'm 'indignant' about anything at the present time. I'm pretty sure I was last night when the Ethiopians built a mind-blowing 4 world wonders exactly one turn before my Shoshone people were to finish theirs. 4 times! It's happened twice in one game before, but never even 3 times during a game that I can recall. I was pretty indignant at Civilization V, swore a bit, and shut down the game and my computer.

But I decided long before Bernie Sanders declared his candidacy that I would not require myself to vote for Hillary Clinton if she became the Democratic nominee for the presidency. Before Sanders declared his candidacy, it was looking like it was already a done deal.

My reasons, well if you've actually listened to others with similar positions, you've probably heard them all at one time or another. But they don't have anything to do with hatred. It really just boils down this - I believe that the Democratic party, my party, is becoming extremely corrupt, and I also believe that the candidacy of Hillary Clinton is a symptom of that corruption. I've decided that it's OK for me to choose not to provide tacit support for that process of corruption by voting for her to become the President of the United States. As a citizen of the United States of America, I do not believe that I am under any obligation to vote for candidates for office who I believe will further contribute to government corruption. It really should be the other way around.

You think I'm wrong. Or delusional. Or, maybe, so blinded by hate and indignancy that I can't even perceive for myself whether I'm hateful or indignant. But, please, at least think that last sentence over a bit. I'm OK with people believing I'm wrong about something like this. Maybe I am. I don't think so, but it's certainly possible. But, by stating that I will not vote for Hillary Clinton to become the next President of the United States, I appear to be grouped into your 'blinded by their hate' group. And, really, that's kind of offensive.

[AgadorSparticus]

69. There is corruption on both sides of the aisle. And she may very well be a symptom

Of that corruption. But who is the most progressive candidate come November for the presidency? If you think it is Trump, we are done talking. If you think it is Cruz....I don't know. I have no words for that. I will just let you get back to your gripping ethiopian/shishone adventure.

Like it or not, the choice is going to be either Hillary OR Trump. That is the reality. Not Bernie or Jill Stein or anyone else. So vote or don't vote. That is certainly your prerogative. I guess I was raised that it is my civic responsibility to partake in this process. Just as it is my responsibility to serve jury duty. Even when it is a grave inconvenience or even if I truly don't believe in the integrity of that voting process, I always show up and do my part. Even if I can't control all of the process, I can certainly control what I do. If we want change, we need to be a part of it. You want to see the government move left? Organize and be a part of the grassroots movement to gain more voice in the government. That movement to the left will not come from a singular vote for potus. It will come from bottom up politics. Look at booger eater Ted. I know it is hard to look at that face, but try for me. PRIME example of bottom up politics. We need to do THAT.

And while you clearly may not exercise hatred for Hillary, I see it all the time on DU. Just go to GD . It is on magnificent display just about every night. If I have a glass of wine first, it's not so bad. Even the double standard gets less noticeable.

Here's what I propose: for the sake of everyone's sanity, Bernie supporters stop posting "Hillary is evil" and "I will never vote for Hillary" posts and Hillary supporters will stop posting that "Bernie is FOS" and "The primaries ate over" threads.

[RiverNoord]

70. I like your proposed compromise :-)

If there was some sort of 'joint sponsorship of a proposal' mechanism on DU, I'd be happy to join you. I'm at work, and I really ought to not be doing this now (a bit of corruption of my own as the IT manager...).

However, I think the proposal is a great idea, so when I get home sometime late in the evening as usual, I'll think the prospect through. And if you have any ideas on how to make a joint pitch like that and actually get people to add their screen names to replies in assent, please let me know .

[Scootaloo]

60. Clinton needs more progressive virtue than "I'm not Trump!"

People who want to vote against Trump have a plethora of options beyond and besides Hillary clinton. clinton thus needs to figure out how to make people want to vote for her.

[MisterP]

6. this ridiculous guiltmongering doesn't work on 5yos, let alone voters

go on, tell me again how you're going to vote

endorse this. own this. argue we're bad people for not wanting this blessed miracle

[Hekate]

16. I'm not shedding tears for Gaddafi. Are you?

[Jack Rabbit]

23. No, I'm not shedding tears for him, either

That doesn't mean that I'm dancing on his grave, however.

Mrs. Clinton's behavior in that video is most inappropriate. First of all, my mother taught me that grave dancing is something a cultivated person does not do, and I still think Mom was right, as she was so often. Second, Hillary's dirty little war in Libya didn't work out that well, and Libya is worse off now than it was in 2010, before its civil war started. Granted, it isn't the first time in recent history the US fucked up the overthrow a brutal dictator in the Middle East and made things worse, but one would think she would have learned something from the first instance. Apparently, she didn't.

[HeartoftheMidwest]

26. What a vulgar thing to say.

How many thousands of innocents died as a result of our meddling there? How many others suffered?? What other unintended consequences play out over time because of our intervention in other countries? In our toppling of regimes?

And why couldn't we have worked with other nations of the world to contain him and isolate him??

We're a bully nation.

[greymouse]

54. How about the millions of Libyans who had their lives destroyed by Hillary?

Are you shedding tears for them?

[MattSh]

90. Sad that you believe everything the MSM tells you...

Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

What do you think of when you hear the name Colonel Gaddafi? Tyrant? Dictator? Terrorist? Well, a national citizen of Libya may disagree but we want you to decide.

For 41 years until his demise in October 2011, Muammar Gaddafi did some truly amazing things for his country and repeatedly tried to unite and empower the whole of Africa.

So despite what you’ve heard on the radio, seen in the media or on the TV, Gaddafi did some powerful things that are not characteristic of a “vicious dictator” as portrayed by the western media.

Here are ten things Gaddafi did for Libya that you may not know about…

1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right

...

2. Education and medical treatment were all free

...

3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project

...

4. It was free to start a farming business

...

5. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies

...

6. Electricity was free

...

7. Cheap petrol

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8. Gaddafi raised the level of education

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9. Libya had It’s own state bank

...

10. The gold dinar

Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. Following in the foot steps of the late great pioneer Marcus Garvey who first coined the term ”United States of Africa”. Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos.

The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.


-----> http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289

[TM99]

10. I always vote.

So a lot of rhetoric from Trump about war or a proven track record from Clinton on Iraq, Libya, Iran, and Syria?

Wow, talk about a Hobson's choice. Thankfully there are other options and candidates to vote for.

[kpete]

13. me too

not always easy, but part of being a citizen

peace to you TM99,
kp

[Viking112]

11. Voting

I'll vote only if Bernie is the nominee.

[bigwillq]

22. Hello

Welcome to DU!

[pansypoo53219]

15. WHO keeps the same hair-do for decades?

still living in the 50's.

[frogmarch]

17. I'll vote for

the Democratic nominee.

If Trump takes the presidency at least I'll have a clear conscience. So will Mr. froggy and our kids and grandkids.

[TNNurse]

24. I agree

If Trump gets more votes than Clinton because people did not vote, in my mind they voted for him.

[AlbertCat]

32. in my mind they voted for him.

Not voting is not the same as voting for something.

Perhaps your mind should rethink a bit.

[Gene Debs]

19. Two things I won't do:

A) Vote for Hillary Clinton and
B) Be guiltmongered into embracing whatever you're pushing.

[bigwillq]

21. I always vote.

And right now it looks like I will be voting for all DEMS except one.

[tom_kelly]

27. +1 n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. I'm voting for Bernie, he's my kinda Dem. Hillary isn't.

[Victor_c3]

72. +1 here too

I don't understand how anyone with a good conscience could bring themselves to vote for Hillary or Trump for that matter.

As was stated by someone else above and as I have said before there is a big difference in voting for something and not voting at all.

I'm not going to be shamed into voting for a shitty candidate that I don't trust or agree with.

Hillary Clinton is not my candidate and will never be.

[LibDemAlways]

25. I won't vote for Trump and I won't vote for

Clinton, but I will vote.

[SheilaT]

28. I have a primary next month.

I'll be voting for Bernie.

In November I'll vote for Bernie again.

[Jester Messiah]

29. You were told.

If you don't want Trump, don't nominate Hillary. No one's fault but yours if you can't listen.

[840high]

33. We came, we saw, he died.

I'll vote for Bernie - I always vote.

[Gothmog]

35. Great Trump meme

Thanks for posting

[basselope]

36. I'm going to vote... not for Hillary, but I will vote.

[Thespian2]

39. Rarely do progressives have a good choice...

the powers that buy politicians generally give us two horrible choices...we are then told to hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils...Clinton and Trump will provide voters with two evils that many do not want to vote for...what kind of choice is that?

I definitely will vote...but I will never vote for Her Royal Highness...I will never vote for a Republican...

[spanone]

40. hard to tell what site i'm on these days....

[AzDar]

41. Hope he's better at it than $Hillary, for God's sake. Me? I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders...

[silvershadow]

42. +1 nt

[Victor_c3]

73. Hillary laughing at the idea of bombing Iran

https://m.

[Ed Suspicious]

47. Not voting for a neocon.

[Maedhros]

48. If you Democrats want me to vote for your candidate for President,

then nominate a candidate worthy of the office.

[Bangbangdem]

51. I'll admit

It's a great script! Negative external stimulus. Oh, god! What do we do? I shall vote for whatever canidate opposes this monster. And thus, our system wins! Yay! High five! We have no choice but to let our betters win! If only we could possibly see a pattern here.... wait.... Trump wants to kill my grandmother! Better go the other way. Who am I voting for again? Oh, right, the other one. What a joke.

[RATM435]

52. Hillary Clinton Lying For 14 Minutes Straight.

[chwaliszewski]

55. I'm gladly voting this November.

I'll vote for Bernie and any candidate down ticket I feel is worthy of my vote. The veiled threat of "Vote for Hillary or else Trump will win" only makes me want to go outside and find something to pee on.

[Thinkingabout]

57. I will be voting, have said I would be voting for the DNC nominee, that has not changed.

I am supporting Hillary, supported her in the 2008 primary, gladly voted for Obama and again in 2012.
I am a proud Democrat and plan to remain a proud Democrat. I look forward to having Hillary as my president.

[joelz]

59. i'm going with Bernie that

way I'll be ok with me when I look in the mirror

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

61. Its not over yet people!!! I voted for Bernie with the intention he would either become the nominee

OR.... he would have the power to go take on the Dem party establishment and effect real change, in exchange for his endorsement.

He has been completely open and forthcoming about his intentions!!! I believe him, that he can do this. And I think he has the character to not sell us out or settle for less than what we deserve.

So it just totally baffles me that so many of yall are ready to throw in the towel right now. Bernie is not taking his toys and going home people - this is why he is campaigning and staying through to the end. There is a plan B, and an end game to all this - cripes, cant we wait to see how it plays out before indulging in all the drama and angst??

[Ino]

67. Hmmm... who was it that voted for Iraq War?

Oh, I'm going to vote.

[Victor_c3]

74. I think the same person also took more than a decade to realize it was a mistake

That's some good judgement and insight into the situations impacting the world!

[Pastiche423]

68. I am voting

for Bernie, only.

[LanternWaste]

75. I'll never fault a Democrat for voting their convictions or refusing to vote based on convictions.

I'll never fault a Democrat for voting their convictions or refusing to vote based on convictions.

[bkkyosemite]

76. I never said I wasn't voting........................................................................

[justiceischeap]

77. Bombshell Poll: Nearly 20% Of Republicans Will Vote For Hillary Clinton If Trump Wins

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/bombshell-poll-20-republicans-vote-hillary-clinton-trump-wins.html

I think "nearly 20%" outweighs the #BernieorBust voters.

[Duckhunter935]

82. That will change

[tonyt53]

78. Read through the Bernie-ites replies to this

They have no concept of real life issues. And yes, they do sound exactly like teabaggers. Cut off their own noses to spite their own faces. They sound like spoiled brats with that "I'm taking my toys and going home" attitude. I guess that is why they jumped on Bernie's bandwagon when he said free college tuition and free healthcare. a typical reaction by spoiled people.

[Duckhunter935]

83. Nothings free

My taxes would go up to pay for it. I am glad to support him. At least he is trustworthy

[Katashi_itto]

87. Project much? You can't even get how the Tution or Healthcare would be paid.

[GulfCoast66]

88. Not only that

His supporters are overwhelming white and many of them just do not care much about issues affecting marginalized groups. So it is easy for them to throw a fit and not worry about others in the party.

And I have no doubt after reading all the memes about Trump being an isolationist they many of them will actually vote for him. They just do not want to get banned. Yet.

[NightWatcher]

79. Iraq, Syria, Libya... These weren't advanced by Trump. These are Hillary's

[OldHippieChick]

80. Two words

"Supreme Court"

[Duckhunter935]

85. Take the Senate

I will vote for the democrats there, DWS said Hillary does not need or want my vote. I will oblige her on that.

[OregonBlue]

81. Two words. Supreme Court. Just today Bad Hair said he wasn't sure if he would

appoint Ted Cruz to the Supreme Court.