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Autumn Apr 2016 #34
WinkyDink Apr 2016 #77
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OhZone Apr 2016 #11
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leftofcool Apr 2016 #13
demmiblue Apr 2016 #17
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alfredo Apr 2016 #58
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enlightenment Apr 2016 #22
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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:41 PM

1. Fuckin' A, dude!

 

I was a Republican until 1980, and then a Libertarian for about 5 years, and then I quit being an idiot.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:46 PM

3. Someday you might learn how to say I quit being an idiot, instaed of I then I quit being an idiot

You can do it, I know you can.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:55 PM

8. Grammar nazi?

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:58 PM

10. Rude Nazi?

What's up with that?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:01 PM

14. Your friend who authored the OP needs to leave. Now.

 

I assume it will happen soon.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:06 PM

20. No he doesn't have to leave the site. You don't have to belong to the democratic party

to post here, or to donate to get a star, stuff like that. There are a lot of non democrat members here. Have Skinner ban my friend if he bothers you so much.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:15 PM

24. Au contraire! Openly supporting another political party on this board is a violation of the TOS.

 

So, you might want to help him get his affairs in order.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:22 PM

34. Oh my friend you are so misinformed. The TOS does not require you be a democrat.

Vote for Democrats.
Winning elections is important therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.


I also see you missed reading this from the OP
I will vote to block anyone in the Republican Party.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:52 AM

77. Ahem. "Vote to block" would, in the past, presumably have included a vote for Nader. Capisce? The OP

 

knew exactly what he was writing.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #77)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:42 AM

92. Good thing Naders not running then. nt

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #77)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:31 AM

101. But the poster whining about the OP says he was a Republican voter in the past, so

 

that's decidedly worse than being a Green voter. Republicans are a racist, homophobic Party of economic pillage. Anyone who ever voted with them has zero standing to criticize those who never have. Conservatives 'change Parties' at times but obviously they remain conservative.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:15 AM

82. Perhaps the OP will clarify after he/she is done crucifying him/herself for our sins.

What does "vote to block" mean?

Is this Hollywood Squares?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #82)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:40 AM

91. They will vote for the democrat to keep a republican out. No clarification needed if you read

what the OP wrote.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:58 PM

12. Did you notice

that s/he misspelled "instaed"?

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Response to savalez (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:02 PM

15. Yeah and I caught it too

Did you notice you don't have to be a registered democrat to belong to this site?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:03 PM

16. OH, I NOTICED!!!!

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Response to savalez (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:05 PM

19. I am too courteous to say anything.

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:19 PM

28. Sometimes when one backslides, they do it hard, it is most unfortunate.

I honestly and truly hope the poster can actually accomplish the goal he boasts of, but right now, he resembles a "former smoker" with a cigarette and lighter in hand, saying each time, "THIS IS THE LAST ONE!"

Meanwhile, although the goal is good and would lead to better health if accomplished, such "former smokes" instead increase their daily pack a day input to two, then three, while still hoping the exclamation made when lighting up is the same as actually quitting.

I was a smoker for a long time and went through such a phase (the "this is my last cig" thing in perpetuity) until I got married, and my wonderful wife, filled something within me, a missing part of my soul perhaps, that made becoming a non-smoker rather easy after the initial three week physical withdrawal. (she was a yoga girl on an excellent organic diet which gave her a certain glow of health I liked and admired as well as a heart that was radiant, positive and rare in such an unkind world.)

She only had to ask, she made no demand, just simply asked, assuring me that even if she hated the smell, and the threat to my health which concerned her greatly, she would still marry me and accept me for my other qualities that she felt outweighed my many flaws, that being but one.

In the end, after years with her, before she died, she had allowed me to shed so many of those flaws by her very presence and nature, her radiant example if you will, that I became a much better man before her unfortunate death.


I think perhaps that poster has that bit of emptiness within the soul, that needs must be filled by something positive, before true change rather the claim of such can take hold.

I actually wish him/her well on the journey and hope that hole is one day filled.


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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:29 PM

38. How are you? I tried that little "." thing we discussed the other day, it worked well.

It is indeed hard for many to not backslide but I think it will be easier with time.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:03 PM

44. I'm as well as can be expected. I love that thing! Also, it is good to see you.

Meanwhile I had a hide about a post that I thought was satire (it was that ridiculous) by saying something like, "is that you third way Manny?"

Hides can not always be avoided as they hide completely innocent and non offensive posts often these days (many of the alerters and jurists appear to resemble a cloth clad individual we know that has a unique hair cut, multiple twins and a living to make, so such can be expected).

But innocent posts that do not break the TOS do not result in banishment and so certain measures can, and are, being successfully taken as we both now know.

Hides themselves appear to mean very little these days, I have only had two in six months, but some truly nasty posters, whose posts are consistently rude and offensive and whom are posting daily, have as many as 18 hides (really, but generally among the two dozen I bothered to check now have over 8 hides. Cut that down to a dozen of those two dozen I checked and you see double digits,this is not hyperbole but rather anecdotal truth that I have seen by clicking on a few transparency pages)

We adapt as we must, and I am proud that one of my most recent adaptations has helped to identify at least some of those that are best avoided and only appear to speak from a "script".

This non-violent non-abusive method of identifying such, I believe will reduce incivility and frustration in many cases and so I am quite pleased it is working.

The last thing we need are pointless discussions that prove at best an annoying consumption of time, much like a robocall meant to sell one something all the way up to, the often nasty baiting discussions that only have the goal of finding a reason to get a good member PPR'd.

I a pleased it has worked for you and hope others will adopt such a non abusive, harmless method which has the goal of helping regular members avoid some of our daily frustrations.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:09 PM

45. One particularly nasty "." got banned today. I would like to see that take hold.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511846008

Supposedly things will change after the season so we will see.


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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:31 PM

48. There was a time when it was good and smart to be a Democrat.

Now not so much.

I am strongly leaning to voting Green in the general -- for Jill Steiner.

My Dem vote would be worth squat in Texas anyway. But if Clinton
somehow manages to make it a horse race here, I'll vote for her.

We cannot have Trump in the WH no matter what!

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Response to ananda (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:59 AM

65. I'm Texan too, so please let us do whatever possible to shame Texas republicans.

 

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:43 PM

2. I thought the mass Indie Independence Day was scheduled for late July

to send a forceful and coordinated message to the DNC?

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:18 PM

25. I didn't hear that.

Even if I did I'm so disgusted with the Party I could not wait.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:12 AM

89. What is this, JimDandy? I searched but apparently

needed better terms. Are indies going to protest the Democratic national convention?

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:50 PM

4. Buh bye

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:53 PM

5. Then you don't belong here on DU... bye!

Don't let the door hit ya on the hiney on yer way out!

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:07 PM

21. Another one for the ignore bin. Bye. nt

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Response to thereismore (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:21 PM

30. I know you can't see this

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:19 PM

27. There are a lot of independents and greens here. nt

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Response to redwitch (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:38 AM

90. Sure. The Democratic Party is the genuine big tent

and is made up of people with a wide range of ideologies and special issues. The more the better who feel they can work best through the Democratic Party, or who just want to discuss political issues. It was never meant to be a place for anti-Democrats and illiberals to collect and attack Democrats, however.

As for wishing on their way those who are so unhappy that one of our two progressive Democratic candidates is winning the Democratic nomination that they are leaving Democratic Underground, and the Democratic Party if members, sure. Maybe they'll get happy somewhere else. And, of course, the door's open both ways.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:41 PM

50. New rule? Independents have always been welcome in the

past and so have Greens. You guys are really pushing a lot of people out of both the Democratic Party and here.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:40 AM

72. What of "dropped out of the Democratic Party" do you not get?

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:04 AM

103. Not a damned thing. What is it about the fact that the

Independent Party is not the biggest party of the three parties that you do not get? There is no reason to stay in the D party anymore for a lot of us who are FDR Democrats.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:48 AM

95. Jwirr, you do OP an injustice. He's leaving

from choice. And glad of it.

And you're also just plain wrong in thinking we can push people out of the party or out of DU. Any who leave when the nomination is "called" and they can't badmouth Hillary Clinton any more will do so entirely of their own free choice. They'll no doubt settle in at other sites when they can indulge to their hearts' content. Others will choose to stay. See how it works?

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Response to jwirr (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:12 PM

107. The reason I said that

was because they started an OP dissing the Democratic Party, seems inappropriate to me.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #107)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:22 PM

109. I guess that in that you are closer to right than I am but

there are many of us who are very upset with this whole political situation right now. As a delegate I am going to attend a convention that I know for absolutely certain was already determined before any votes were taken.

It breaks my heart to know that and it does not make me feel any better about the future.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #109)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:24 PM

114. Understood.......nt

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:38 AM

70. Actually, that is not true

Being a registered Democrat is not necessary here.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:53 PM

6. Did I make it in before the ban?

 

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:55 PM

7. Bye, bye.

You might still vote for the Dem candidate, but I also remember 2000, and the damage that loss caused the country.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:57 PM

9. Yay! Now leave here too.

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Response to savalez (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:58 PM

11. Seriously -

this site is for Democrats, not Greens.

Bye Felicia.

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Response to OhZone (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:54 AM

96. Seriously, though, a lot of Greens end up voting

Democrat for practical reasons. We're mostly all on the left pretty much and, in spite of real differences, have a lot in common.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:59 PM

13. Bye. This is Democratic Underground

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:04 PM

17. I will also vote to block the Republican nominee.

I don't know why so many are getting their britches twisted.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:14 PM

23. Nice to see someone here can read.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:21 PM

32. I don't get it.

I am not a registered Dem (I live in Michigan... we don't register for a party), but I have voted Dem my whole life.

Why do these people care what you consider yourself politically if the outcome is the same (a +1 for the Dem candidate)?

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:16 PM

46. it is democratic underground, it is not democratic party underground. Bernie and I are far more

 

democratic than Hillary or any 3rd way follower

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:42 PM

58. There was so much false propaganda aimed at Hillary,

And it seems to have been effective. It has driven a wedge.

The my way or the highway mentality has crept into our ranks. i thought we were above that

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Response to alfredo (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:48 AM

102. Much of the accusations against Hillary are completely true

 

This revisionism is unworthy of a decent person ....

FDR is the perfect example of a good Democrat, in my view ... While Bernie exemplifies those same qualities, we can all see Hillary Clinton is not such a person ....

Bernie supporters are good Democrats that have been abused by the party AND the Hillary campaign ...

This will not be forgotten ... That is the wedge - The Neoliberal DLC and their minions in the DNC leadership AND the Clinton campaign are the wedge between classic Democratic platform philosophies, as exemplified by FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, etc, and the voters they purport to represent ...

This is a misrepresentation, pure and simple ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #102)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:02 PM

105. Yep, she killed Vince Foster too

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Response to alfredo (Reply #105)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:30 PM

115. That's what you came back with?

 

What a joker you are ...

Thousands of dead soldiers ...

Tens of thousands of dead civilians ....

That's funny as FUCK!

CLICK

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Response to Trajan (Reply #115)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:32 PM

116. Hillary hatred just seems so irrational

As SoS, she didn't make policy. As senator she was a back bencher.

With or without a vote in congress, bush would have attacked Iraq. Remember, not many in congress got to see the intel, Bush restricted it to the leadership in Congress, and those two houses were controlled by Reps. We don't know what Hillary knew. She should have voted no, but she was senator of NY, and her state was out for blood.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:55 AM

79. That's what all the Naderites said.

 

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:04 PM

18. Buh bye

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:12 PM

22. Democratic

and Democratic Party are not one and the same. The first is a principle; the second is a political party.

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.


If this was DEMOCRATIC PARTY Underground, you might have an argument. It isn't. You don't. Read the TOS and get off your high horse.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:19 PM

29. Thanks.

People here need to read the whole post and not jump to conclusions. Thanks for being a saner head.

Cheers!

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Response to sellitman (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:10 AM

98. I wasn't 100% sure what you meant, Sellitman, but

seems to me you've made a pretty decent choice -- Green by ideology and principle, but crossing the ballot to vote for/against major candidates when necessary. I imagine you have lots of company.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:23 PM

36. I have read the terms of service and have been a member since 2003

Maybe you should follow your own advice and read the third paragraph of the TOS

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:48 PM

59. Who in this thread advocated for a Republican or spoiler candidate?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:15 AM

63. You've got me beat by a year on DU. Whoopie.

As for the OP, they did not indicate that they wouldn't vote for Dems, at all. Reread what they wrote. In no way were they advocating in favor of Republican nominees - or any candidate.

Simply belonging to the Greens - or to any other political party - or none, for that matter - is irrelevant in the General Election, as you well know.

Yours is an invented outrage with no basis in fact.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:05 AM

97. Pro-democracy independents or whatever are of course

welcome here as long as they are committed to electing Democrats to office.

The real kicker is in that it is meant for "politically liberal people." Although there are far-left liberals, not all on the far left, or even most, are liberal. Many are actually illiberal and hostile to liberals and behave in ways antithetical to liberalism. And of course some registered Democrats are conservatives and libertarians of all stripes, as well as far-left radicals.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:18 PM

26. But this is DEMOCRATIC Underground

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:21 PM

31. Excuse me?

I didn't think I had to be a Democrat to vote that way in the General election.

Did you actually read my post?

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Response to sellitman (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:33 PM

49. I think the trouble is in the comprehension.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:14 AM

99. Goes both ways. Part of having good reading

comprehension is being aware that not all writers convey their meaning accurately. I understood Sellitman's words themselves well enough but, because of the hostility expressed toward the DNC, just wasn't 100% sure that was what he intended them to mean.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:21 PM

33. golf clap

 

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:22 PM

35. I am wondering that the two major party structure gets in the way of some of

people like Bernie who wants to change the system. This might the year there is a revolution of the current structure, in order to attract the Independent voters. Bernie won the cdross over primary in Rhode Islan because. I'm changingmy mind on a party that so narrowily limits potential votes for Independentt voters even when we know full well theyare going to vote for Bernie because they want their voicie count.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:06 PM

60. Maybe more people are after evolution as opposed to revolution?

Revolutions tend to be messy affairs.

I think that's the reason Bernie is not winning. That and the fact when asked for specifics such as breaking up the banks for example he can't give them.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:27 PM

37. Buh bye.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:34 PM

39. i've never been a registered dem

always vote for them, tho.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:41 PM

40. Results...

On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027785297

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Advocating a third party on our Democratic Board. Should be a TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:40 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Much has happened here. This is a simple expression and not a threat to the board or the Democratic Party.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The rule specifies third party canidates, not joining a third party.

He;s already said that he will vote against Republicans come the general, and that means voting for a Democrat.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alert.
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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:42 PM

41. .

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:43 PM

42. Jury results, 2-5 leave

On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027785297

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Advocating a third party on our Democratic Board. Should be a TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:40 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Much has happened here. This is a simple expression and not a threat to the board or the Democratic Party.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The rule specifies third party canidates, not joining a third party.

He;s already said that he will vote against Republicans come the general, and that means voting for a Democrat.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:47 PM

43. Kay. Bye.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:28 PM

47. did you take your ball with you?

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:48 PM

51. If someone gets indicted and cuffed and stuffed, you might be sorry. Hang in there

Bernie supporters. We're asking him to.

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Response to brewens (Reply #51)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:28 AM

67. I already voted in my Primary

Besides, the RW smear machine has nothing on her. Never did.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:22 AM

100. Now, that's so completely wrong that it is itself a smear.

Not to mention intensely hypocritical. Will you be taking your bag of rocks elsewhere now or continue indulging here until the primary is called?

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:53 PM

52. And The Jury Says....


On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Still not too late.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10180

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

breaking the "don't be a dick" rule

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:49 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So, we are "alerting" folks for electing to be a part of the PROGRESSIVE LEANING Green Party? Really? -- LEAVE IT!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Somebody is butt-hurt. Leave it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:08 PM

53. Perhaps this is the start of more than 2 parties again.

I sure hope everyone is gonna remember what happened this election cycle.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:25 PM

56. Nope.

The middle class has shrank under thirdway policies.

We're getting ready to do it all over again for the third time.

No one freaking remembers anything.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #53)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:58 AM

87. Oh goodie, cheering on the Leftwing Teabaggers. Can't work in a coalition

 

Have to be an Ideologue. It's a sign of immaturity and group think.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:17 PM

55. As long as you help block anyone in the GOP, no complaints from me!

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Response to DawgHouse (Reply #55)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:31 AM

68. Glad a few around here pay attention.

No way can I let a Right wing luny get in.

My post if anyone cares is a protest against Wasserman Shultz and the RW leaners in the DNC

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:33 PM

57. I read the replies. You turn from this warm bosom of friendship and love? I'm aghast. n/t

 

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #57)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:49 AM

64. Lol, that wins DU for me tonight, nt

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #57)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:36 AM

69. lol

Yeah, the Purists are bothered all right. What they should be bothered by is how low their party has sunk. It resembles nothing I've known for almost 60 years.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #69)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:44 AM

93. I grew up on the southside of Oklahoma City. It was a veritable sea of Democrats, a vestige of

 

FDR and the Dust Bowl. Republicans didn't run, and if they did, they risked their lives. I saw one that dared to put his sign on the side of his vehicle, which had a couple of 6 year olds standing up in the bed) peppered with shotgun pellets. Free speech wasn't really big back then either.

(It's astounding how whole states can lose their memory of how they only got through the adversity of the dust bowl and the depression because they cooperated with each other, and turn into the selfish bigots they are today.).

It was in '71 the parents, the Democrats I grew up with, showed up at our high school and incited their kids to riot, helping them beat and chase the black kids daring to be bussed by the state to "their" schools across town. They turned over a bus.

I was already on the outside of the majority back then, so I mostly just left. I dropped out of HS in '71, got a GED and went in the Navy's nuclear program. It was safer. Went back to the University later when it was a little calmer.

Mrs. Clinton said "hearts don't change, not really". She at least got that right. Our generation, the kids who were supposed to be more conscious of race and oppression, didn't turn over buses. We hurt people with law and pretended to be better. Profiting from the worst in people, she and Bill are quite happy to mine the gold he got from pandering to people's mistaken belief that black folks were the cause of our problems, should lose their relief, and sent more to prison.

Didn't do jack shit to bring white people to account for their behavior. Hillary was at least right about the heart thing. You can't expect people to surpass their training.

I have a pen which will only write "Bernie Sanders". Weirdest thing.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:06 PM

61. I will do it

on May 18, 2016 - a day after I vote for Bernie.

But it will be either non-affliated (like I've been for the past 12 year) or join the Working Family Party.

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Response to Pastiche423 (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:39 AM

71. That's what I did

Day after I voted.

I probably should of left mine unaffiliated but I didn't see the real difference. My protest works either way.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:45 AM

66. By saying you'll "vote to block" Republican candidates...

Does that mean you intend to vote for Democratic candidates, or does "vote to block" mean you'll simply mark your ballot for any candidate other than a Republican?

Just trying to get an idea of what "vote to block" means to you.

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Response to VOX (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:42 AM

73. It means I may have to vote holding my nose again

Leaving the Party is meant to send a signal to the Democratic Leaders that they are ruining a once great party

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Response to sellitman (Reply #73)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:50 AM

75. No; it means you deliberately used equivocating language. Don't kid a kidder.

 

"I will vote for the Democratic nominee."

See the difference?

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:46 AM

74. DU ToS: "[W]hen general election season begins, DU members must support [the] Democratic nominee."

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #74)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:50 AM

76. Skinner: "Therefore it is still primary election season on DU."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910165

If you disagree with that, take it up with the owner.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #76)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:54 AM

78. i am not calendar-challenged. I also know that "vote to block" is not synonymous with "vote for the

 

Democrat."

J/S.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:01 AM

80. Looks like people are starting to call for another purge.

The site purged pro-lgbt members in the past - Wonder what group will get the chopping block this time?

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Response to Lancero (Reply #80)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:32 AM

83. Pro-LBGT wasn't the only purge. Bernie supporters will be next. nt

 

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:10 AM

81. You want a cookie or something? nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #81)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:33 AM

84. Many "democrats" here are so filled with hate they don't resemble Democrats anymore. nt

 

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #84)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:38 AM

85. +1000. (nt)

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:56 AM

86. Congratulations! Perhaps if enough people leave,

 

then maybe will the party do some soul-searching and reflect why many good people are leaving. However, I won't be holding my breath for that. I left the party already and registered as an independent.

Good for you. You have my respect.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:12 AM

88. Let me see if

I understand this right.

In protest that some states have closed primaries, you have changed your voter registration to a 3rd party. Guaranteeing that you can't vote in a primary again.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #88)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:45 AM

94. Was there really a choice?

Bernie was blocked from the start.

Yes I will not be able to vote in Primaries here in CT. If the DNC's Corporate Interests aren't met they will do anything possible to block a real Progressive anyhow so what's the point of a Primary if their choice is pre-ordained? If they want to be inclusive they sure have a funny way of showing it.

I see many here have their nickers up around their heads over my post and need to see me re-word my statement on who I will vote for in the General. To make these DUers happy:

I unequivocally State that in the General Election I will vote for The Democratic Candidate.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #94)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:25 PM

106. I was so happy to vote for Bernie yesterday here in new haven!

My husband works at the polls and he was voting for HRC. But he gave me my ballot with a smile anyway! I have two good friends and several family members who are also voting for Hillary. Hubby gives me a few zingers now and then but mostly we keep away from the subject...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #106)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:47 PM

110. I was on the Green on Sunday

About 20 feet from Bernie.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #110)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:32 PM

111. How was it? I was going to but health issues and the parking bans persuaded me tojust

watch on TV.

Since you are a Yalie, which college did you attend? I don't have any favorites but I ike the revieryin a way....

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:36 PM

108. Even kicking out the first Democrat

 

Andrew Jackson. Maybe I should leave over that reason. But I am not going to worry about it, he can't vote now anyway.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:36 PM

112. I didn't have to change my registration to become a Green.

 

My state did it for me when they ended registration by party. Now, I'm whatever I say I am.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:56 PM

113. Like it or not, the U.S.A. is not a parliamentary system. The Green Party is devalued.

Hopefully the Republican Party will destroy itself, and then the Democratic Party can split into liberal and conservative factions. That's sort of the way it works in California now.

Oh, and FUCK RALPH NADER.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:44 PM

117. Booo

 

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