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stopbush

(24,395 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:48 PM Apr 2016

The Trump You've Seen All Year Is NOT The Trump You Will See In The Fall

Trump has smartly designed a way to win the R nomination for president, by blatantly tossing R voters the red meat their bigoted little hearts and minds desire. But anyone who believes that Trump will continue playing the part of the bigot in the election is naive.

Trump is a chameleon. He can change his stripes at will. He's an adept TV performer who knows how to go with the flow to get his ratings up. This fall, he'll need to get his ratings up among Ds and Rs who are not raging bigots. He will do this by pivoting to the left, and to the political identity that he has long embraced, which is that of a more-tolerant kind of asshole than the typical R.

Trump will go further LEFT on some issues than Hillary. He will tack back to a more-moderate R position that will position him as a viable option for Ds and Rs. He will try to outflank Hillary on some leftie issues while dismissing his heated primary rhetoric as "just saying what I needed to say to win the nomination." And people will cut him slack for admitting it because it fits with his "tell it like it is" style. "C'mon, who in their right mind believes all that crap we heard from the other R candidates? I just played along with them because I could. But do I believe that crap? Hell no. I've got NY values. And that means accepting gays and women and our big diverse population (did I mention that I hire lots of minorities and women?)."

Rs will vote for him because what other choice do they have? Some Ds will cross over because they'll buy the "it was all an act" excuse and think he's the more-honest candidate. Will he win? I doubt it. His negatives are sky high. I'm just saying we should expect to watch as the chameleon once again changes color.

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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. 'Democrats Could Win The House If Trump Or Cruz Is The Republican Nominee'
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

A new analysis finds that Democrats will have a chance of winning back the House if Donald Trump or Ted Cruz is the Republican presidential nominee.

According to The Cook Political Report:

Republicans are sitting on their largest majority since 1928 – 247 seats to 188 – meaning Democrats would need to pick up 30 seats, a daunting challenge given the GOP’s immense redistricting advantage and the vaporization of swing districts. But all cycle, Democrats have daydreamed about Republicans nominating an extremely polarizing presidential candidate, and suddenly it’s almost certain they will get their wish.

A Trump or Cruz nomination wouldn’t guarantee a down-ballot disaster for the GOP, but operatives on both sides admit it would inject much more uncertainty into races – especially if it were Trump. For one, given Hillary Clinton’s high unfavorable ratings and Trump’s willingness to adapt his message to fit changing political conditions, anything from an extremely close race to a total Clinton blowout seems possible in November.

Second, if November does turn into a Democratic rout, it’s impossible to know just how bad it could get for Republicans sharing a ballot with Trump or Cruz. On one hand, past presidential blowouts in years like 1964, 1972 and 1984 haven’t led to dramatic sea changes in House seats. On the other, there hasn’t been a true presidential blowout in 20 years. Today, rates of split-ticket voting are at all-time lows and House candidates are defined by their party and the top of the ticket more than ever.


http://cookpolitical.com/story/9382

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
8. Would love for this to happen
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

But House districts have been so gerrymandered primarily in GOP favor, it's hard to see.
If it's Hillary and Donald, I do expect to see a lot of married repub suburban women vote for Hillary. But, they will vote GOP down ballot.

edhopper

(33,560 posts)
12. Could if DWS
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:02 PM
Apr 2016

had done anything to put in place Democratic assets in contested districts, instead of just trying to get incumbents re-elected.

She rejected a 50 state agenda.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
5. Exactly. He will use all the old videos of him spouting liberal positions to make his case.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:03 PM
Apr 2016

He will not run away from the crazy things he said this campaign. He will embrace them while dismissing them as all being part of the act.

I watched this guy when I lived in NYC back in the late 70s-80s. Trust me, he knows exactly what he's doing.

Jim__

(14,074 posts)
7. That was my first thought.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

All of the media coverage of him blatantly stating his positions in the primaries works against his being able to successfully pivot away from those positions.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
4. Again, this is why Bernie must be the nominee. Too many will cross over as
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

Trump is better on Soc Sec than Hillary! Hard to believe, say what you want, attack Bernie, do whatever, this much is true.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. This Guy is a Media Creation on to himself.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

The Guy is a self promoter and he has been morphing the last three months. Notice how he is shying away from the Militia group endorsements and more towards the Bircher Tea Party Cruz crowd. From the worst of worst to the not so much worst.

runaway hero

(835 posts)
10. Exactly
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

Those polls are don't account for the fact Trump can pivot easier then Cruz. Cruz is worse, we just don't see it.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
11. Hillary is a chameleon too so if it's the two of them, we'll have quite a show.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:00 PM
Apr 2016

We would not see the same Hillary we do now.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
14. How'd that work out for Mitt Romney?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

Donald Trump will have been a disgusting politician for over a year by the time he gets the nomination--if they don't steal it from him. Even if the conservatives don't pitch a third-party candidate at him (and they will or he will wind up a third-party candidate himself) he will still be in a three party race, with the new Donald running against his former self.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125192052

Oh, don't worry, the Republicans still have a plan to steal it by kicking the election into the House, but Trump won't be winning it there, either.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
15. "pivoting to the left", "dismissing his heated primary rhetoric" "his "tell it like it is" style".
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

If we let him get away with all that "pivoting" and "dismissing" while he maintains a 'tell it like it is' style" then we deserve what we get. If he acts and talks like a typical politician we need to call him on that.

salin

(48,955 posts)
16. Perhaps, but he will still be kickin' it on Twitter. Don't think he has the impulse control to quit.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

He will keep using it to register his insults against who ever just said anything remotely negative about him - he can't stop himself. And in those moments he will keep reminding folks of the Trump of the primaries. I don't think he can help himself. I don't expect a chameleon. More like a Jeckyll and Hyde.

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