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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:17 AM

Nutjob and homophobe Wayne Madsen wonders if Ted Cruz's dad killed JFK

We can think of about nine bajillion reasons Ted Cruz shouldn’t be president, but here’s one we hadn’t considered: Maybe his dry-drunk daddy was part of a CIA plot to assassinate John F. Kennedy!!! The shocking conspiracy theory comes from the fertile imagination of a guy named Wayne Madsen, who is only asking: Was Ted Cruz’s father involved in the assassination of President Kennedy? Let’s examine the compelling evidence! For one thing, Rafael Cruz Sr. was Cuban, and lived in Dallas and New Orleans. For another, Lee Harvey Oswald was photographed with some Cubans in New Orleans, and then moved to Dallas, where he shot (or was the patsy blamed for shooting) JFK! Back and to the left, sell the movie rights to Oliver Stone, CASE CLOSED!


It all adds up: a whole bunch of tenuous connections (surely everyone who worked for RCA in the ’50s was a spy), and the guy lived in New Orleans and Dallas. It’s really uncanny! What are the odds that anyone else would have lived in two major southern metropolitan areas around the same time that Oswald and others supposedly involved in the massive CIA conspiracy did? All you need is a little Occam’s Duct Tape to hold it all together.

And now that same man’s son wants to be President? FISHY!!!! What do we know about Rafael Cruz Sr. and his possible possession of dildos? Was there a second vibrator gently caressing someone’s grassy knoll?

Besides, as No More Mister Nice Blog notes, this Wayne Madsen guy has a sterling record of discovering uncomfortable truths that THEY don’t want you to know. He revealed that Israel and Saudi Arabia did 9/11 together, and is one of the key proponents of the “Barack Obama is a Gay Homosexual” theory, and also claimed that he had proof of Obama’s real Kenyan birth certificate. So this is clearly a guy who knows things.

Read more at http://wonkette.com/600611/perfectly-sane-researcher-just-asking-if-ted-cruzs-jerk-daddy-killed-kennedy-yes#1L5scaqpmKGljMlT.99


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zappaman Apr 2016 OP
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Octafish Apr 2016 #3
pkz Apr 2016 #4
Octafish Apr 2016 #8
Octafish Apr 2016 #10
David Zephyr Apr 2016 #22
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Response to zappaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:00 PM

1. Sounds Plausable to Me


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Response to Stallion (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:10 PM

2. It would explain why Ted Cruz became the zodiac killer!

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Response to zappaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:48 PM

3. Just because he was in NOLA same time as Oswald and all.

Might be in the same photograph:

Still, he might have worked with CIA on other stuff having nothing to do with the assassination of President Kennedy.

That's how you maintain plausible deniability, zappaman. Add maybes and might be and likely wasn't stuff. Pretty soon, people will forget that George Herbert Walker Bush was in Dallas the day President Kennedy was shot to death.

Poppy Bush warned FBI -- AFTER -- JFK assassinated.

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:

Here's a transcript of the text:




At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?

Here's a transcript of the above:

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.

Regarding Dallas: Now I don't know if Poppy was a trigger man, was only there to watch what happened or what just happened to be there. I do know Poppy Bush has never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.

Seeing how he would go on to become President, as would his dim son, I believe it's vitally important that we learn the Truth.

Why? The United States and the world haven't been the same since November 22, 1963. And not a single major player in the nation's mass media have stepped up and demanded a real investigation. So, it's up to us, We the People.

What's more, Poppy Bush sheltered mass-murdering jet-bombing, anti-Castto Cuban American terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles.

Coincidentally, some say.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:18 PM

4. found some earlier pics for comparison sake

hairline and prominent cheekbones sure do match up...some one needs to do a side by side just for sh*ts and giggles


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Response to pkz (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:33 PM

8. The earlobes are a giveaway.

Some say E Howard Hunt had surgery to change his ears' appearance after the photos of the three tramps came out.


Who knows? Others say it was another E Howard Hunt or something.

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Response to pkz (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:48 PM

10. Rafael Cruz is perfect for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and later oil exploration work.

The nose. The ears.

The deep appreciation for literature and the extraction industries.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:46 PM

22. Octafish has this right.

Last edited Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:10 AM - Edit history (1)

I wrote Octafish a private email in January about Rafael Cruz and the JFK assassination as I'd began researching the curious and shadowy Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, father of "Ted" Cruz primarily as I was intrigued by his weird conflicting stories he's "preached" in the fundamentalist circuit as early as Summer 2015. What struck me beyond the quirky happenstance of both Heidi and Ted
Cruz being part of the Bush Cabal from way back, was that Ted's right wing Cuban father had resided and worked in both Dallas and New Orleans, which was the home of so many CIA / Cuban operations during the late 1950's and early 1960's. I shot Octafish an email about it, and while didn't receive a reply, I continued on writing many others because what began as an odd churchiosity angle quickly expanded to the whole time frame of the Bay of Pigs, Operation Mongoose and, of course, the orchestrated murder of John Kennedy in Dallas in November 22, 1963.

I did receive back messages from others who were equally taken with the overlapping place and time "coincidences".

Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz never attacked each other during their campaigns. They were almost one and the same campaign with the same policy advisors. Then Marry Matallin hosted a quiet fundraiser for Ted Cruz in Louisiana with Dick Cheney attending...while Jeb was still well in the race. Why? Then Neil Bush wasted no time in jumping into the Cruz campaign's financial team when his brother dropped out of the race.

Everything just smelled. Rafael (is that really his name? Wasn't his first child with Ted's mother that died in the UK was named "Michael"? The chikd that died so young? The Warren Report lists a "Miguel Cruz" being arrested together with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. Was Michael his first born -- who would have been Ted's big brother? Michael, of course is English for Miguel.)

So I kept writing and then suddenly Wayne Madsen popped up with his own separate research. Like him or hate him, Madsen put a spotlight on Rafael Cruz that I never could. The Cruz / Bush ties are very old. This was part of my original post linked below.

No one at the DU has the bonafides here of Octafish on this subject and I always give him my ear.

My public post went up several days back now in the cellar of the DU as it was "speculative" and I am quite old, not well and just wanted to get the story out there. I didn't know it would go viral as it did.


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Response to David Zephyr (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:51 AM

23. Luis Posada Carriles, BFEE

In the name of fighting godless communism, all is fair and legal like, even mass murder, or terrorism.

Original OP from 2006: Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush or "Hey, America! Wake Up and Smell the Sulfur!"

Few today remember a most heinous terrorist act: The assassinations of former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier and American Ronnie Karpen Moffit.

Ms. Moffit was an American citizen murdered by agents of a foreign government on U.S. soil. Her only crime was being with Orlando Letelier, whose crime was to speak out against the military coup that toppled the democratically elected Chilean government he served. Because he refused to turn over the Chilean secret police and their American contacts, these assassinations were allowed, if not sanctioned, by George Bush, then director of central intelligence and head of the CIA.

As with all things having to do with the BFEE, the world get worse. So, a reminder:

October will mark the 30th anniversary of another most heinous terrorist act: The bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner that killed 73 passengers and crew. The pilots reported the blast caused their aircraft to catch fire and they were burning up as they attempted an emergency landing. The plane crashed into the Caribbean, a few miles west of Barbados. All aboard perished, including a close friend of the Great DUer malaise.

Cubana Airlines DC-8 like the one bombed by BFEE members Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch. Both turds have been protected by Poppy and Baby Doc Bush and the CIA, which strangely has been loyal to them rather than to various presidencies before and in-between.

Here’s an excellent essay based on the facts:

The Charmed Life of a Mass Murderer

Posada Carriles and Bush's Anti-Terror Hoax

Counterpunch June 9, 2005

President George W. Bush has emphasized that if one of the myriad of U.S. police agencies even suspect someone of planning, abetting or carrying out a terrorist act, he will, at a minimum, get tossed into a dark hole. Indeed, Bush has thrown the Magna Carta into the garbage heap when it comes to Muslims suspected of pernicious thoughts toward the United States.

But if suspected terrorists turn their rage toward the detested Fidel Castro, these rules don't apply.

Indeed, those who try to bomb Cuban targets, or those related to Cuba, receive special treatment. This double-standard casts a shadow over the president's commitment to fight terrorism.

For example, TV footage showed Homeland Security cops arresting Posada in mid May. But the arresting officers didn't even handcuff the Western Hemisphere's most notorious terrorist. (Remember how Bush's pal Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay ­ ENRON's CEO ­ got handcuffed?) Justice Department spokespeople said they plan to charge the foremost terrorist in the western hemisphere with "illegal entry into the United States."

The FBI has reams of files on Posada, affectionately called "Bambi" by his terrorist friends. Former FBI Special Agent Carter Cornick told New York Times reporter Tim Weiner that Posada was "up to his eyeballs" in the October 1976 destruction of a Cuban commercial airliner over Barbados. All 73 passengers and crew members died. Recently published FBI and CIA documents not only confirm Cornick's statement, but also reveal that U.S. agencies had knowledge of the plot and did not inform Cuban authorities or try to stop the bombing.


One wonders: Did Posada announce his illegal presence in the United States with the idea that U.S. government complicity in aiding and abetting his past acts of terrorism would protect him? U.S. authorities didn't inform Cuba or try to stop the 1976 air-bombing plot, and in 1971, as Veciana stated, the CIA made the gun that Posada's agents placed inside the camera to assassinate Castro. And Ollie North has knowledge of Posada's covert activities for U.S. intelligence as well.



[font color="red"]What ties these two events together is the involvement of George Herbert Walker Bush, as then-CIA director, in their cover-up as crimes and in the protection of their perpetrators, as in the person of one Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch and their colleagues-in-terror.[/font color]

Think about it: A murder-forgiving CIA director Bush went on to become President of the United States. Today, Bush’s son, George, acts as president. The younger Bush has used his office from Day One to protect and cover-up the crimes of his father.

That’s what Hugo Chavez was talking about when he smelled the sulfur and called Bush “The Devil.”

America needs to wake up and smell the sulfur, too. Here’s some background on the above:


CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S.

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 153

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153 /

Don’t forget to check out Orlando Bosch, while you’re at it. GOOGLE with Jeb Bush for some interesting connections to the present day.

Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez interviewed National Security Archive’s Peter Kornbluh and Letelier’s son, Francisco:


Another important point to remember, is Kissinger's close association with Operation CONDOR, the assassination program run out of "The Cone" to silence democrats, liberals, union leaders, progressives, socialists, communists or anyone who stood for justice and equality.

Chile security chief was CIA informer

BBC Tuesday, 19 September, 2000, 23:24 GMT 00:24 UK

Recently declassified documents in the United States show that the former head of the secret police in Chile, Manuel Contreras, was a paid informant for the US intelligence agency, the CIA.

The report, comprising CIA documents requested by the US Congress, show that contact with Contreras began in 1974 - a year after the military coup that brought General Augusto Pinochet to power.

Contreras oversaw the much-feared security service DINA

The report adds that the contact was maintained until 1977 - a year after Contreras plotted the killing of the then Chilean Foreign Minister and foe of General Pinochet, Orlando Letelier, in Washington.

A BBC correspondent in Washington, Nick Bryant, says the documents reinforce the view that the US turned a blind eye towards political repression in Chile during the Pinochet era and that the CIA was complicit in many human rights abuses.

Pinochet's confidant

As head of the security service, DINA, Contreras became the one of the most feared men in Chile, second only to General Pinochet.

The general's iron rule was underpinned by the tactics of brutal repression that saw thousands die and thousands more flee into exile. Others disappeared or were tortured.



Of course, there are even more sulferous friends than these…

Bush s Longstanding Criminal Mexican Amigos

The disturbing ties of some of George W. Bush's Latino advisors

More on Bush-Amigos links in PBS Frontline interview with Gary Jacobs

By Julie Reynolds
Research assistance by Victor Almazán and Ana Leonor Rojo


“Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres. (Tell me who you side with and I will tell you who you are.)” – “George W. Bush for President” web site

Those who say that George W. Bush has scant knowledge of foreign affairs don't understand his family's relationship with Mexico.

If one event could be said to make that relationship visible, it had to be the state dinner given eleven years ago by President Bush for Mexico's president, Carlos Salinas. It was an elegant yet boisterous gala, where the biggest movers and shakers in Texas and Mexico congregated and celebrated. This group was to become W's Mexican legacy, a gift of ties and connections passed on from the father to his son.


The Mexican president had spent a long day with President Bush signing trade pacts, the precursors of NAFTA. Salinas brought his so-called Dream Team: his commerce secretary, finance minister, and his personal Machiavelli, Jose Córdoba. It would later be astounding to see, as the decade unfolded, how many of that administration's proud men and women fell shamefully from grace - some exiled, some imprisoned and some assassinated.

No one knew it then, but many at that banquet would survive to one day help young W beat a path back to the White House. There were loyal "Bushfellas" who were old friends of the family: Commerce Secretary Robert Mosbacher Sr., General Colin Powell, and George Bush Senior's ever-present friend, Secretary of State James Baker. Gary Jacobs, whose Texas bank was about to be bought by the son of Mexico's billionaire-politico Carlos Hank González, was also a guest. Tony Garza, then a young judge, is now a Bush cabinet contender. Today, all are advisors or contributors to W's campaign.

Hidden among the glitterati were two relative unknowns. They were, however, familiar to the group at hand. They were the loyal "Amigos de Bush" from San Antonio: criminal defense lawyer Roy Barrera Jr. and car dealer Ernesto Ancira Jr. In contrast to the Salinas group, the ties of Barrera and Ancira to drug cartels would remain unnoticed for another decade. Their ties to George W. would grow stronger.


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Henry Kissinger and Agusto Pinochet

[font size="6"][font color="red"]“I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.” -- Henry A. Kissinger[/font color][/font size]

Remember: If the guy Poppy's Dim Son wanted to appoint head of the 9-11 Commission feels that way about democracy in Chile, what’s there to make us think he and those for whom he toils believe differently about democracy in the United States of America?


PS: Sorry to miss your email, David Zephyr. I'll PM you later today. I'm a bad person...

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:59 PM

7. Yes, even odder that you can clearly see that's Sonny Bono in that picture too!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:02 PM

14. Ignorance is Strength. Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace.

Going from the people I've asked, most Americans don't know their government went into business with the Mafia in 1960 when Ike and Nixon were in office. President Lyndon B. Johnson termed the government-criminal relationship a "damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." The man at CIA who approved the arrangement to hire the Mob and its killers to "eliminate" Cuban leader Fidel Castro was Allen Dulles. Sacked at CIA by Kennedy post Bay of Pigs, Dulles was named to "serve" on the Warren Commission by LBJ. For reasons that are now made clear by documents released over the past half century, Dulles and CIA failed to inform the Warren Commission and the nation of their murderous enterprise against Castro, as well as their active operational interest in Lee Harvey Oswald.

The CIA refuses to release documents that bear on the OP -- records involving CIA agent George Joannides, the agency's anti-Castro spearhead in New Orleans. For some reason, the national security state doesn't want the People to know what was Joannides doing there in regards to Lee Harvey Oswald, who came in major and public with CIA affiliated anti-Castro exiles working for Joannides, the DRE - Directorio Revolucionario Estudantil.

When the House Select Committee on Assassinations when Eddie Lopez and Dan Hardway were HSCA investigators working reading any document they wanted at CIA and making good progress in their investigation, Joannides was called out of retirement to hamper the two.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:05 PM

15. You're slipping! That's clearly a young Wayne Newton! n/t

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Response to zappaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:48 PM

5. Why hasn't he denied it?

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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:50 PM

6. .


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Response to Rex (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:37 PM

9. Who knew they'd start a phenomenon, besides Dick Cheney?

Gerald Ford White House Altered Rockefeller Commission Report in 1975; Removed Section on CIA Assassination Plots

White House Aide Dick Cheney Spearheaded Editing of Report to Dampen Impact

New Documents Cast Further Doubt on Commission’s Investigation, Independence

National Security Archive Briefing Book No. 543
Edited by John Prados and Arturo Jimenez-Bacardi
Posted - February 29, 2016

Washington, DC, February 29, 2016 – The Gerald Ford White House significantly altered the final report of the supposedly independent 1975 Rockefeller Commission investigating CIA domestic activities, over the objections of senior Commission staff, according to internal White House and Commission documents posted today by the National Security Archive at The George Washington University (www.nsarchive.org). The changes included removal of an entire 86-page section on CIA assassination plots and numerous edits to the report by then-deputy White House Chief of Staff Richard Cheney.

Today’s posting includes the entire suppressed section on assassination attempts, Cheney’s handwritten marginal notes, staff memos warning of the fallout of deleting the controversial section, and White House strategies for presenting the edited report to the public. The documents show that the leadership of the presidentially-appointed commission deliberately curtailed the investigation and ceded its independence to White House political operatives.

This evidence has been lying ignored in government vaults for decades. Much of the work of securing release of the records was done by the John F. Kennedy Assassinations Records Board in the 1990s, and the documents were located at the National Archives and Records Administration at College Park, Maryland; or at the Gerald R. Ford Library in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Additional mandatory declassification review requests filed by Archive fellow John Prados returned identical versions of documents, indicating the CIA is not willing to permit the public to see any more of the assassinations story than we show here. The documents in this set have yet to be incorporated into standard accounts of the events of this period.

Among the highlights of today’s posting:

[font color="green"]* White House officials of the Ford administration attempted to keep a presidential review panel—the Rockefeller Commission—from investigating reports of CIA planning for assassinations abroad.

* Ford administration officials suppressed the Rockefeller Commission’s actual report on CIA assassination plots.

* Richard Cheney, then the deputy assistant to the president, edited the report of the Rockefeller Commission from inside the Ford White House, stripping the report of its independent character.

* The Rockefeller Commission remained silent on this manipulation.

* Rockefeller Commission lawyers and public relations officials warned of the damage that would be done to the credibility of the entire investigation by avoiding the subject of assassinations.

* President Ford passed investigative materials concerning assassinations along to the Church Committee of the United States Senate and then attempted—but failed—to suppress the Church Committee’s report as well.

* The White House markup of the Rockefeller Commission report used the secrecy of the CIA budget as an example of excesses and recommended Congress consider making agency spending public to some degree.
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Jerry Ford, the then-congressman who altered the Warren Report to say President Kennedy was shot through the neck, and not the back, so the Lone Nut Magic Bullet nonsense would sound more plausible.

I know DUers remember the role Cheney and Rumsfeld played in covering up the death of CIA scientist Frank Olson. Too bad it's more censored history of the USA.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 05:57 PM

13. Makes me wonder about Ford.


Bad enough he pardoned a war criminal like Nixon. Poppy knew and Rummy knew would be my bet.

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Response to Rex (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:33 PM

20. On the ground floor, protecting the plotters behind USA's Coup d'Etat of Nov. 22, 1963.

For those who actually give a damn about Democracy: Here's a very relevant example missing from CIABCNNBCBSFauxNews.

Sen. Prescott Bush adjusts future un-indicted co-conspirator Richard Nixon's hat.

The history is why I never denigrate people with labels, like "CT." It is a loaded term, designed to poison the person as a source of information and news. Here's the treasonous, murderous reality of the "Unindicted Co-Conspirator" of Watergate fame:

Nixon approved hiring a Secret Service man who said he'd 'kill on command' to guard Ted Kennedy. You can hear Nixon and Haldeman discuss it, about 40 minutes into the HBO documentary "Nixon by Nixon." While I had read the part of the transcript available years ago, and wrote about it on DU, almost no one I know has heard anything about it.

Ted Kennedy survived Richard Nixon's Plots

By Don Fulsom

In September 1972, Nixon’s continued political fear, personal loathing, and jealously of Kennedy led him to plant a spy in Kennedy’s Secret Service detail.

The mole Nixon selected for the Kennedy camp was already being groomed. He was a former agent from his Nixon’s vice presidential detail, Robert Newbrand—a man so loyal he once pledged he would do anything—even kill—for Nixon.

The President was most interested in learning about the Sen. Kennedy’s sex life. He wanted, more than anything, stated Haldeman in The Ends of Power, to “catch (Kennedy) in the sack with one of his babes.”

In a recently transcribed tape of a September 8, 1972 talk among the President and aides Bob Haldeman and Alexander Butterfield, Nixon asks whether Secret Service chief James Rowley would appoint Newbrand to head Kennedy’s detail:

Haldeman: He's to assign Newbrand.

President Nixon: Does he understand that he's to do that?

Butterfield: He's effectively already done it. And we have a full force assigned, 40 men.

Haldeman: I told them to put a big detail on him (unclear).

President Nixon: A big detail is correct. One that can cover him around the clock, every place he goes. (Laughter obscures mixed voices.)

President Nixon: Right. No, that's really true. He has got to have the same coverage that we give the others, because we're concerned about security and we will not assume the responsibility unless we're with him all the time.

Haldeman: And Amanda Burden (one of Kennedy’s alleged girlfriends) can't be trusted. (Unclear.) You never know what she might do. (Unclear.)

Haldeman then assures the President that Newbrand “will do anything that I tell him to … He really will. And he has come to me twice and absolutely, sincerely said, "With what you've done for me and what the President's done for me, I just want you to know, if you want someone killed, if you want anything else done, any way, any direction …"

President Nixon: The thing that I (unclear) is this: We just might get lucky and catch this son-of-a-bitch and ruin him for '76.

Haldeman: That's right.

President Nixon: He doesn't know what he's really getting into. We're going to cover him, and we are not going to take "no" for an answer. He can't say "no." The Kennedys are arrogant as hell with these Secret Service. He says, "Fine," and (Newbrand) should pick the detail, too.

Toward the end of this conversation, Nixon exclaims that Newbrand’s spying “(is) going to be fun,” and Haldeman responds: “Newbrand will just love it.”

Nixon also had a surveillance tip for Haldeman for his spy-to-be: “I want you to tell Newbrand if you will that (unclear) because he's a Catholic, sort of play it, he was for Jack Kennedy all the time. Play up to Kennedy, that "I'm a great admirer of Jack Kennedy." He's a member of the Holy Name Society. He wears a St. Christopher (unclear).” Haldeman laughs heartily at the President’s curious advice.

Despite the enthusiasm of Nixon and Haldeman, Newbrand apparently never produced anything of great value. When this particular round of Nixon’s spying on Kennedy was uncovered in 1997, The Washington Post quoted Butterfield as saying periodic reports on Kennedy's activities were delivered to Haldeman, but that Butterfield did not think any potentially damaging information was ever dug up.



Why does that matter? The Warren Commission, and the nation's mass media, never heard about the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro until the Church Committee in 1975. You'd think that would be a matter of concern to all Americans, especially considering how then-vice president Nixon was head of the "White House Action Team" that contacted the Mafia for murder.

This is the sort of information citizens of a democracy shouldn't have to search ConsortiumNews or CounterPunch to learn. It should be taught in school, or at the least, discussed in the nation's mass media. I certainly think it's unfair for people -- especially those who consider themselves Democrats or democrats -- to label those interested in such subjects "Conspiracy Theorists" and whatever else the haters and the asshats of the emoticon brigade can think of.

Thank goodness Al Gore invented the Internet and Whatstheirfaces, DU.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:42 PM

21. Just remember when people laugh about there is no such thing as conspiracies


ask them then why do people get convinced on charges like, "conspiracy to commit murder" what about "drug conspiracy"? Why is there a Federal Conspiracy Attorney. Why did the Nazis get tried with various conspiracy charges at the Nuremberg Trials? Their answer should be priceless. I've dismissed those folks Octa...they know they are full of shit.

I'm not saying every CT should be believed, they should all be held up to the best scrutiny a person can manage, but the folks that instantly dismiss any and all CTs are just as full of shit as Alex Jones, just in an inverse way.

Question everything, verify for yourself, find the answers through facts. Not hard to do.

EDIT- awww look it is a young thug in training, Nixon should have gone to jail. Yet we didn't set the example back then and we ended up with Bush and Reagan...barf...

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Response to zappaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:51 PM

11. Where were you and your Dad on November 22, 1963 Zappaman?

That said Madsen is a screwball but that does not mean we have ever learned the truth about JFK's assassination.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:30 PM

12. My dad was not a Texas oil/lbusinessman so he had no reason to be in Dallas.

If you suspect him or I, just come out and say it.
Pretty sure we can both provide alibis...

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Response to zappaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:08 PM

16. now it all makes sense

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Response to zappaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:17 PM

17. Madsen. LOL...

piece of shit homophobe promoted by some conspiracist DUers.


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Response to SidDithers (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:48 PM

18. Not just promoted by some DUers - He was a DUer

He went by the name casolaro when he was fleshing out a HUGE election fraud story in 2004. Tons of people bought into his teases on the story, but the flake never delivered, and he just quietly faded away.

Bev Harris, in some ways, reminded me of Madsen when she splashed on the DU scene.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:49 PM

19. No shit? I never knew that...

thanks for info.


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Response to zappaman (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:10 AM

24. Birth certificate bullshit again?

That is typical...

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