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Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:30 AM

Is the 2016 Election Already Being Stripped and Flipped?


A recent study by Harvard and the University of Sydney, Australia, found that the United States had the “worst elections of any long-established democracy.” The U.S. ranked 47th out of the 47 long-term democratic nations.





Disturbing signs of the time-tested “Strip and Flip” strategy for stealing elections have already surfaced in 2016. Will they ultimately decide the outcome, as they have in too many recent elections?

The core approach is to STRIP citizens of their voting rights, then FLIP the electronic vote count if that’s not enough to guarantee a win for the corporate 1%. (Listen to a one-hour discussion with us, Brent Blackwelder, and Randy Hayes.)

Historically, “stripping” has been based on race. It’s rooted in the divide-and-conquer strategies of slavery and Jim Crow segregation. Today it centers on racist demands for photo ID and other scams designed to prevent blacks, Hispanics, the young, and the poor from voting.

“Flipping” is related to electronic voting machines, on which the vast majority of Americans will vote this fall. Nearly all these machines were bought with money from the 2002 Help America Vote Act, which came after the theft of the 2000 presidential election. Virtually all these machines are 10 years old or more, and can easily be hacked. Swing states Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and Arizona, among others, have GOP governors and, except for Florida, secretaries of state who can easily flip the vote counts, once they are cast, without accountability or detection. Also, private partisan voting machine companies have unlimited access to the electronic poll books, voting machines, and central tabulators.

Those who dismiss such warnings as “conspiracy theory” might confront this simple question: “How will the electronic vote count in the 2016 election be verified?”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/is_the_2016_election_already_being_stripped_and_flipped_20160404?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%253A+Drilling+Beneath+the+Headlines

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:03 AM

1. K&R

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:06 AM

2. I strongly believe that many of HRC's wins have been padded. Perhaps heavily so.

It has been proven how easy it is to flip votes remotely.

I can think of no reason why TPTB wouldn't have done so.

In Virginia, I travel around the state for business. The results in Virginia do not come close to giving a picture of what I saw on the ground all over the state leading up to our Primary. I simply do not believe she won this state 65-35. No fucking way.

We need to organize and change how we vote immediately.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:02 AM

15. I strongly believe that Scarlett Johansson will enter my room tonight...

 

In nothing but a feathered neck scarf.

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Response to trumad (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:29 AM

46. Don't bother to question, right, Wizard of Oz?

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:32 PM

63. why only question her wins though? he only seems to win caucuses

 

which are notoriously undemocratic, why not question his wins?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:32 PM

91. you mean caucuses where everyone actually sees the votes

being counted? i agree thought that caucuses disenfranchise.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:00 PM

110. It's your subjective opinion that caucuses are undemocratic. But I bet you only

 

believe that because Clinton has a harder time with them. I would be curious if you believe that using super-duper-delegates is democratic.

Primary voting has had horrible examples of failing the democracy test. I remember in 2000 when thousands and thousands of AA were not allowed to vote because their polling places had machines that didn't work, or not enough machines. Something similar happened recently in AZ. The Ruling Class has a much harder time rigging caucuses than primary votes counted by machines.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:04 PM

83. Of course not!! nt

 

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Response to trumad (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:02 PM

111. You don't believe anyone that dares speak truth to the Authoritarian Power.

 

Not whistle-blowers, not investigative journalists, not protestors, not OWS, Life is sooo much easier living in a bubble of denial.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #111)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:12 AM

130. Yawn

 

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Response to trumad (Reply #130)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:09 AM

136. Gloat because you feel safe siding with the biggest bully, the wealthy 1%. But we will

 

continue to fight for our democracy that you seem to be comfortable without. Hid in your status quo bubble trying to ignore the struggles going on all around you.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #136)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:04 AM

138. You guys sincerely bore me.

 

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Response to trumad (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:58 AM

122. You are naive

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #122)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:12 AM

129. I know---

 

and you're so fucking brilliant.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:31 PM

62. how many black people did you meet in your business travels in Virginia

 

the reason her wins seem so unimaginable for some people, is because white people have substantially fewer POC friends than other races do.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #62)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:36 PM

95. My family and friends will be shocked to hear that.

 

Including my sister and her mixed family, and my dearest friends whose skin tone ranges nicely across the color spectrum. My neighborhood is very mixed, too.

Did I turn everybody white?

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:30 PM

80. Pictures from campaign speeches prove Hillary has no popular support

 


The same corporate media that lied about Iraq, that covered up stolen elections in 2000 and 2004, has attempted to manufacture consent for Hillary and failed miserably.

Yet they still expect us to believe she is winning without cheating.

Talk about the big lie....

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Response to J_J_ (Reply #80)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:12 PM

96. The biggest crowds she will get will be at the convention

And that will only be because so many Bernie supporters will be there.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #96)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:00 AM

123. I hope they boo her ... oh wait, they will.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:39 PM

81. Of course you do. When is the last time

you learned something new that changed your political attitude?

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:58 PM

82. That's also my view of the recent election in Virginia where I know there are .

many Bernie supporters in the Tidewater, Richmond and NoVa regions of all backgrounds and ethnicity. The tally is not believable.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:13 PM

86. What wins? The senator job was a gift. Has she won any other contests?

 

Maybe she has, I just woke up. As far as primaries, her workers won the organization, not her speeches. So many women are just voting for a woman, not a President. The undercurrent of her campaign is very dark and deep. She does not want to be so soundly defeated and embarrassed like last time she ran. Alot of her team is sinister. Manipulating the machines is too easy and nefarious results have plagued elections since 2000.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:30 PM

100. agree

unfortunately the Dem Party - under Dino Deb - wants it like this.

We have to get her the hell out as part of the process

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:19 AM

131. Oh for fuck's sake...

 

So the results didn't match your subjective, anecdotal survey? Stop the fucking presses!

This shit is getting ridiculous.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:54 AM

144. When my candidate wins, everything is hunky dory.

When the other candidate wins, only shenanigans can explain it. This line of argument is laughably transparent.

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Response to 6000eliot (Reply #144)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:43 AM

146. That is not my argument. Thanks for playing. We have fabulous parting gifts. nt

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:16 AM

3. Is the 2016 Election already being stripped or flipped.

 

According to Bev Harris at www.blackboxvoting.org, the software is being programmed in fractions not units. One unit = one vote. In fractions you can fix any election to your favor.

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Response to Willow51 (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:19 AM

25. FYI Bev Harris is not an acceptable source @DU

we have history with her.

But she's right in this case.

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Response to librechik (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:14 AM

41. why was she tombstoned?

 

She knows all about this stuff. We need her!

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:31 AM

47. Seriously.

 

She's a fucking scam artist and what she did to Andy Stephenson assures her a nice spot in hell.

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Response to trumad (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

52. I think Bev is generally on the side of the angels with respect ...

to voting issues; but like you I can neither forget nor forgive her treatment of Andy.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:00 PM

71. was out of the loop

 

Anyone want to fill me in?

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #71)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:16 PM

88. Wow..

 

I was curious myself..

[link:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/13/121559/-|

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:47 PM

92. Amen, 11 Bravo

Bev truly was toxic, not only regarding Andy, but towards many DUers, and especially towards skinner, and DU as a discussion board.

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Response to trumad (Reply #47)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:55 AM

145. She was also a fucking loon, so there's that.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:18 AM

4. We would not allow nuclear weapon launch codes to be susceptible to hacking.

But in regards to who is chosen to have the ability to actually use them, just chill. It's not like choosing who will be the most powerful person in the world provides motivation enough for anyone to try to manipulate the returns. Why would anyone bother to do that?

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:21 AM

5. Count paper ballots. The obsession for instant results is utter stupidity. . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:40 AM

9. Or use computers, but print out two copies of each vote, turn in one and keep one.

Every vote should be recounted.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:08 AM

18. Scanned paper ballots can be the best of both worlds.

Follow it up automatically with an official hand count (no waiting for a candidate to challenge the results in court-- AUTOMATICALLY).

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:52 AM

38. yup. i trust david orr.

cook county clerk, responsible for suburban cook county elections.
paper ballots, counter as they are put in the ballot box. the number of ballots are monitored and had better match up at the end of the night with the ballot counter. (there are touch screens, to accommodate voters who are handicapped or who have language problems, or provisional votes. anyone can use them, but judges tell me no one WANTS to use them. usually only have a handful of votes.)

most people dont know about the post election audits that actually are done in most places (afaik). they are done very quietly. but orr reports out the results of the audits, which he includes in his frequent emails.
he is one of the good ones.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

51. Thanks for the info, mo.

I did not know about the post-election audits.

One further detail: early voting, which has been growing in popularity, is all touch screens.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:22 PM

60. which is why i never do it.

have only done it once, because i had to.
nonetheless, here, the machines are also audited. the paper trails are matched to the totals.

people should vote absentee instead, which is a paper ballot. here we have what they call "no fault absentee". in the past you have to prove you could not vote on election day, but you no longer have to have a reason. a little more cumbersome than early voting, but worth the trouble.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:10 PM

85. Early voting in NC had machines, not touch screens.

 

We fed our ballots into the machines. I did not look to see what kind, however.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:18 PM

57. our elections should not come down to trusting anything but our own eyes

the entire Constitution is set up on a system of checks and balances

we the people should be the check on our election results but when numbers are aggravated by computers we have no way to oversee that count

i am sure some election officials are trying hard to run free and fair elections but there is just too much proof out there elections can be manipulated electronically to "trust" it does not happen

bernie lost illinois by about 36,000 votes and there are about 100,000 precincts so flipping illinois would of taken a couple votes per precinct on the average...that small of a change (even if it was caught in an audit) would not meet the requirement for a full hand count

the humbolt county project , where ballots were scanned, and released so everyone could double check the count found one entire category of votes dropped

http://humtp.com/page3.html

The software error reportedly first came to Bowen's attention after Humboldt County Registrar of Voters Carolyn Crnich informed her office that the first-of-its-kind Humboldt County Election Transparency Project found that 197 vote-by-mail ballots, which had been scanned through vote counting machines, mysteriously disappeared from the final ballot tally as tabulated by the GEMS software.

The problem was traced to a programming error with the specific version of the software used in Humboldt -- a programming error that sometimes results in the first deck of ballots scanned through the vote counting machine, known as “Deck 0,” vanishing without a trace from the final results.

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audits with small samples would not have caught that

something similar happened recently with the w virginia ag race....it was a citizen reporting that there were not enough of the absentee ballots being reported

after much back and forth between election officials and the citizen, the eo relented and "found" around 3000 absentee ballots had been dropped

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in summary i believe that unless the average citizen can oversee the entire election process it is not free or fair or worthy of the label democracy

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:33 PM

64. i totally agree, but

here the election judges are required to post the tape at the end of the night. if "we the people" want to make sure that is what got recorded, it is not that hard to do. it does take legwork, but it is doable.

the audits are observed by citizens, tho they are pretty much hand picked by the clerk. i am sure that if people were aware of this, and wanted to observe, they would be allowed. i dont know what the threshold for a full recount is, but i suspect that a pattern of a vote or 2 per precinct would at least trigger a bigger audit.

an informed and active "we the people" could make a bigger difference than they think.
most importantly, we need good citizens to serve as election judges. in smaller districts, that is often the case. here in chi, with so many polling places, unfortunately the people who are available for a grueling day for a pittance are not always the sharpest knives in the drawer. or the most honest. and i know from my own experience that it is hard to get rid of some of them.

anybody who is concerned about the integrity of elections should do their duty and be a judge. employers should be required to give people the day off to do so. (and the next day to recover. lol)

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Response to mopinko (Reply #64)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:47 PM

70. doubled checking that what is reported at the precinct compared to the tape report is one important

step but we have no way of knowing that the tape results are accurate

old link, don't know what has changed

http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/newsroom/newsfromclerk/pages/DiscoveryRecountInformation040913.aspx

Discovery Recounts:

A losing candidate whose vote total equals or exceeds 95 percent of the vote for a winning candidate has the statutory right to a discovery recount. The discovery recount allows a losing candidate to petition the County Clerk’s office to retabulate ballots in up to 25 percent of the precincts within the relevant district. If a district has 1, 2, or 3 precincts, one precicnt is retabulated. This retabulation has no effect on the results of the election. It is simply an evidence-gathering exercise.

Example: if a winning candidate received 100 votes and the losing candidate received 95 votes, the losing candidate has the right to a discovery recount. If the losing candidate had received only 94 votes, he or she would have no right to a discovery recount.

An eligible candidate must file a petition for discovery recount with the County Clerk’s office within five days after the last day for the proclamation of results (21 days after the election). This year the deadline for filing a petition for discovery recount is May 6, 2013. The petition must list the precincts the petitioner wishes to have recounted and include a payment of ten dollars per precinct. Multi-county districts or districts that overlap suburban Cook County and Chicago require independent filings in each jurisdiction and are limited to 25 percent of the precincts in the relevant district in each jurisdiction.

The right to a discovery recount also exists for referenda. If the losing side in a referendum gets more than 47.5 percent of the vote (or exactly 47.5 percent, if the losing side is “No”), five voters can petition for a discovery recount.
Election Contests:

If a candidate wishes to contest the results of an election, he or she must file a lawsuit in the Circuit Court. This lawsuit is known as a petition for election contest. The petition for election contest must be filed with the Clerk of the Circuit Court within thirty days of the actual date of proclamation of results by the relevant proclaiming body. The County Clerks have 21 days to proclaim and the State Board of Elections has 10 days after that.

Example: If the County Clerk’s office proclaimed the election results for a County office on April 30, a losing candidate who wishes to contest the results must file a petition for election contest with the Clerk of the Circuit Court by May 30.

Exception: Election contests involving Statewide Constitutional offices must be filed with the Supreme Court, within 15 days of the proclamation by the State Board of Elections. The filing fee for a state-wide contest is $10,000.

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what jumps out at me is "re tabulate" the ballots, so no hand count

and the 10 grand cost

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Response to mopinko (Reply #64)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:15 PM

75. found something interesting

http://www.chicagoelections.com/en/wdlevel3.asp?elec_code=5

look at willie wilson's column

minor candidates enable what i call "dumping columns"

i would bet ya if 6-9 were hand counted or 19-21 the willie votes would not be found

of course i am not saying willie would of won but the thing is which candidate suffered from those votes being reported as they were?

i do agree we need more election judges and so forth but all judges can do is make sure the numbers are physically possible they have no way to make sure they are accurate

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:08 AM

39. +1

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:00 PM

54. And one major step further

Print the ballot results - so that you use your ticket to validate what was printed, was actually what was reported you voted for.....giggle giggle....

If you are going to check and verify - you need the information that enables you to check and verify.... Giggle giggle.

Print in the major newspapers and/or provide the results online....

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Response to Dan (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:35 PM

65. as i mentioned above

people can get the totals from the polling place at the end of the night and make sure that is actually what gets reported. wouldnt catch everything, but would help.

here results are printed by both major papers, down to the precinct level.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #65)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:07 PM

84. In theory with computers

They can do it to the ballot level - and still maintains privacy...

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:23 PM

76. we have paper ballots scanned with accuvote counters but no hand counts allowed!

 


We need hand counted ballots, counted and posted at the precinct before they are sent through tabulators.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:50 PM

103. I agree!! Paper ballots, hand counted. Have cameras at the counting stations streaming to the

 

internet so anyone can watch in real time. Along witht eh usual verification of at least two people from different parties checking and tabulating.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:23 AM

6. We live in an upside-down world.

The burden of proof should be on the state that votes are counted accurately. It shouldn't be necessary to show beyond a doubt that a conspiracy to steal elections has occurred before any problems can be fixed.

Imagine showing up at a bank where heaps of cash are stored in the bank lobby in open cardboard cartons. Complain to the manager and all you get is, "Nobody's ever proven to me that any money's been lost."

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:20 PM

58. exactly

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:25 PM

77. +10000000000000

 


n/t

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:24 AM

7. Our elections have always been crooked. Duh. nt

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:30 AM

8. I'm so tired of this bs nt

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:45 AM

10. It's another "uniquely American solution"

47th out of 47! U.S.A.!

Interesting how all of these uniquely American solutions (such as ObamaCare) leave the corporations in the driver's seat. I'm not sure what business they have running our health insurance, and there is no way they should have anything to do with the code in unaccountable electronic voting machines.

Let's hope this is tin-foil stuff, but there should be no uncertainty in something this important, it needs to be 100% accountable to the people.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:51 AM

11. Thank you for posting /nt

 

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:51 AM

12. I suppose we should support Hillary then

 

As far as flipping electronic voting machines, what do we do about it? I suppose if you really believe that, you should support Hillary, since corporate America probably likes her enough to be reasonably honest, especially against Trump or Cruz. But, clearly, if this article is correct, then Bernie really doesn't have a chance. Not only does Wall Street dislike him, so does the establishment.

That said, Bernie's no fool. He knows how to play the system, too. Bernie sure played the system well in Nevada, just as Republicans are doing with voter ID laws. Everything is completely legal and completely aboveboard, but takes advantage of the legal system and the election rules to disenfranchise voters so that your guy can win even if he didn't get the most votes.

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:24 AM

42. just give up lol. nt

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:55 AM

128. Exactly. Bernie sure got the votes "stripped and flipped" in Clark County, NV.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:57 AM

13. There is no verified voting in the US

The whole system is complicit.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:59 AM

14. In WI last Friday, election registration computers crashed for 3 hours starting at 8:45AM.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A government computer system crash caused headaches for Wisconsin election clerks trying to access voter registration information on Friday, the last day residents could turn in absentee ballots.

The Government Accountability Board, which oversees Wisconsin elections, said it also received calls from a handful of residents who said they couldn't obtain a driver's license or state identification card. Residents will be required to show a photo ID before voting during Tuesday's primary elections.

The GAB said the outage lasted roughly three hours, beginning at 8:45 a.m. The state Department of Transportation said it wasn't clear how many people weren't able to get IDs because of the computer problems. GAB attorney Mike Hass said his agency received several calls about the outage, but said only a handful of people were affected.

County and municipal clerks couldn't access poll books or the state's voter registration system during the outage. They still conducted absentee voting but efforts were delayed because they couldn't immediately verify voters' registration information, the GAB said in a news release...

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Server-failure-cuts-clerks-from-Wisconsin-voter-7222482.php

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:04 AM

16. Very sad and pathetic! It's past time to do something about this.

For more info on computer vote hacking, Google "Spoonamore electronic vote hacking."

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:15 AM

21. I agree but what do you suggest we do?

Voting won't work to stop it. Calling our elected official will not work because they don't care about the little people. I guess the only thing left to do is take to the streets by the tens to hundreds of thousands and shut this country down for about 90-days or more. It may not accomplish much, but it may get the PTB attention. I say what we really need is a good old fashioned French style revolution to put the fear of God into the people at the top. A La Lanterne!

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Response to Hotler (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:28 AM

28. Let's try Bernie's political revolution first. Yes it will take millions of committed Americans to

force the changes we need!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:40 AM

37. Again I agree. But I don't think...

that the PTB will let Bernie anywhere near the White House no mater how massive the votes for him will be, they have too much power and money to lose. Again we are back to hacked voting machines.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:26 AM

135. I share your fears, but hope he can pull it off.

Either way, he and the rest of us will not stop and the movement will continue to grow!

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Response to Hotler (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:12 PM

55. These things are mostly subject to state law, so solutions can be mandated by state legislatures

 

I live in Blue Oregon. We vote by mail on paper ballots that can be recounted to verify
the results of close elections, as needed.

I love vote by mail, as it avoids all the skulduggery of long lines in poor or mostly Democratic
precincts, turning people away over ID issues, "running out" of ballots, etc; and it
elegantly prevents vulnerability e-vote hacking/flipping.

The vote is verified by signature as a legal protection and there are stiff penalties for voter fraud.

Vote-by-mail also does not require voters to take time off work, can be done at ones leisure
without feeling rushed through the voting booth. Some like to have "mini-caucuses" where friends
& neighbors meet-up to discuss candidates and issues before voting.

Every state in the nation could adopt this at the state level, the only barrier being obstructionist GOP
Governors and/or Secretaries of State; who voters can recall and/or defeat in the next election of
state officeholders ... but ONLY if voters rise up in unison and demand change, because this isn't
(or shouldn't be) a "partisan" issue. It's about saving our democratic form of government.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:43 PM

109. I live in Colorado where there is mail in ballot also. .....

Mail in ballots would cure a lot. As of now I think there is only about 5-states that have mail in ballots. The states down South will never go for it as it would mean fair elections in those states and everyone would get to vote. Controlling the people is what the repugs are all about.
Thanks for your thoughts.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:06 AM

17. CODE RED: Computerized Election Theft

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:11 AM

19. Crazy talk from Hillary Haters on the kook fringe. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:28 AM

29. Have you been asleep for 20 years?

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Response to roody (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:30 AM

30. The article makes up a bunch of stuff in order to claim

 

Sanders would be winning the Democratic nomination but for Clinton cheating. I read it at the link.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:56 AM

126. Are Clinton and her supporters really stupid enough to believe tha AZ voter--

--disenfranchisement will not come back to bite her in November if she is the nominee?

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Response to eridani (Reply #126)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:45 AM

133. Clinton's campaign is fighting voter disenfranchisement

 

and has been since last year.

It's a national problem and the DOJ is leaning on states about it. It's investigating the AZ fiasco.

Clinton supporters care every bit as much, if not more, about voter disenfranchisement as do Sanders supporters.

So, your moral superiority dance is not appreciated.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #133)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:14 AM

143. Not according to the Wisconsin tweet celebrqting the negagive effect of voter ID on students n/t

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:14 AM

20. I've come to the conclusion that all of the Bernie Brigade complaints stem from the same problem...

...their persistent belief that nobody would actually WANT to vote for Hillary Clinton...

Therefore, the votes didn't happen (vote rigging) or the voters were misinformed (media bias) or were "Confederate State" voters (not real Democrats).

Same applies to Superdelegates: none of them would actually have a good reason to support her; they're all opportunistic sell-outs or political cowards, and as soon as Bernie makes a better argument they'll all shift.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:26 AM

43. no, it's that we're pretty sure we know WHY some would vote for Hillary. nt

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Response to retrowire (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:16 PM

87. +1 nt

 

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:36 AM

34. +1000 eom

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:16 AM

23. Alert results

On Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Is the 2016 Election Already Being Stripped and Flipped?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027736931

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Conspiracy theory accusing Democrats of stealing ejections. Plus, it lies about who was ahead in Massachusetts polls. And wrong forum.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:15 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What is this I don't even
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That would be a decision for hosts to make, not a jury.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The article reports on a real academic study, then uses it to go off on an unfounded tirade against Clinton. This is not a post about the Harvard study, it is an anti-Hillary screed disguised as a news link. Hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop abusing the alert system.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ridiculous alert.

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Response to Crabby Appleton (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:19 AM

24. I think most of those jurors

just read the OP and not the anti-Hillary, conspiracy laden article it linked.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:40 PM

69. Or we noticed that the alerter's complaints were a job for the hosts, not a jury

Being 'anti-Hillary', or 'conspiracy laden', are grounds for moving it to a different forum or group, which is done by hosts. You knew that, didn't you?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #69)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:08 PM

72. you make

a good point.

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Response to Crabby Appleton (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:27 AM

27. We are suseptible to election fraud

and that's what this post is about. Apparently some feel as though this is a non-issue as long as their candidate wins.

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:38 AM

36. Imploring people to vote blue

And doing nothing to stop disenfranchisement is complete bullshit.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:35 AM

49. A complete waste of time and good will. If we can't be cleaner than the other guy

then what the hell is the point? When I vote for dirty, when my own party is dirty, I'm effectively endorsing dirty, no?

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #49)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:08 PM

98. Yes...and another thing

While I understand republicons obstructed, why continue to vote for a party that cannot or does not get the basics done? I cast my first vote for Jimmy Carter. My second for vote was for Obama in 2008. All of my other votes have been against the republican. There is really something wrong with that equation.

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Response to Crabby Appleton (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:26 PM

79. Wow, rub some raw nerves did we?

 

The CT deniers here are as bad as people that believe every CT they ever hear.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:22 AM

26. Caucus vs. Primary Question

Question: Why does Bernie win most caucuses but not Primaries?
Answer: Caucuses have witnesses.

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Response to pattyinez (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:31 AM

31. it couldn't be that people prefer another candidate.

 

Sour grapes crazy talk.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:36 PM

66. Have you seen the photos from the caucuses

 

Massive crowds on the Bernie sides, barely anyone on the HRC sides. How do you spin that as a win?

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Response to creatives4innovation (Reply #66)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:37 PM

67. those are caucuses, not primaries. Primaries have much, much higher overall turnout.

 

Sanders wins big time in caucuses, he loses big time in primaries.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:12 PM

73. I get your point

 

I think we have different understandings of why that might be.

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Response to creatives4innovation (Reply #73)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:13 PM

74. caucuses require a lot more effort to vote, and they don't allow for much participation

 

by people with schedule conflicts.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #74)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:20 PM

89. I'd guess there's an enthusiasm gap with caucuses

 

And the vote tallying is far more transparent as well.

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Response to creatives4innovation (Reply #89)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:27 PM

90. if it's the stand in one place stuff, not if people fill out paper ballots

 

which is what happened in Utah.

Caucuses are forms of vote suppression, and they are inferior to primaries as a form of democracy.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #90)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:37 PM

106. I'm not fond of caucuses though I've never experienced one first hand

 

Primaries do seem more democratic at face value. Still, it's difficult to compare caucuses to primaries directly because caucus goer numbers are not tallied or released.

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Response to creatives4innovation (Reply #106)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:37 PM

107. another big difference is that very often the vote is not private nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #107)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:19 PM

118. I've never understood that

 

I thought we had a right to a "secret ballot".

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Response to pattyinez (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:35 AM

50. Exactly.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:31 AM

32. This is sad and sickening and true..

But, I hear from my right wing inlaws..Obama only won because of massive voter fraud. They believe it unless they win, and with voter suppression, they keep winning, and gaining more power for more voter suppression laws to be passed and gerrymandered districts to be drawn. Everyone is marginalized except the "winners."

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:36 AM

33. Why make it simple .........................................

"In the long run, only universal automatic voter registration, a four-day national holiday for voting, universal hand-counted paper ballots and other reforms will guarantee us a fair and reliable vote count. Posted at www.freepress.org, we call it the “Ohio Plan.”


WHEN THE PEOPLE CAN HAVE THIS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

**************Because we still have a guy and treasonous one at that, by the name of Karl Rove (Valerie Plame)-------/ Koch and there Lackey's--------------Smartech still holding these "machines"*******************

So lets be prepared ----------------------I am....................I got my phone, with a camera/video......................

http://blackboxvoting.org/

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-hacking-voting-machines-security

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-15/american-democracy-money-super-delegates-hacked-voting-machines






http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/12845-anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix


Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:37 AM

35. Thats why im voting for Hillary!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:28 AM

45. good job standing by the candidate who hasn't said jack shit

about Arizona.

yep, she cares. totally.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:51 PM

104. Because.... you're a shill and an idiot?

 

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:12 AM

40. The solution is very very simple

we have to convince all GOP voters that their votes register for the
OPPOSITE party

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:26 AM

44. Fucking Voters

 

An American Tradition.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:33 AM

48. Vote by mail- Oregon style

 

Imagine getting a complete ballot three weeks before the election.
You have time to read, study and cast your vote conveniently from the comforts of your home.
Fill out your ballot, sign it, put it in the envelope and put on a stamp, place in mailbox.
When you apply for a drivers license you are automatically registered.
Oregon has one of the highest voting rates for a reason.
No standing in line.
No dubious hack-able computer touch screen.
Plus it saves the state millions in cost.
Win, win, win.

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Response to GoldenMean (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:42 AM

53. You forgot the most important perk:

 

We can vote nekkid!

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:58 PM

105. We can vote nekkid!

I tried that, but they got really upset when I tried dropping off my ballot at the post office.

Damn those tazers hurt!

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #105)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:32 PM

139. ...

 

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Response to GoldenMean (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:31 PM

61. the scanners can be manipulated too though

publicly hand counting is the only true solution

vote by mail does increase access but i worry about the chain of custody

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6650

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:58 PM

113. Then there is the story of a Mail bag

full of votes found in an abandon garage, months after the election was over. Did a Postal worker steal it? Or did someone make arrangements to grab those votes and disgard them. I don't recall the SOURCE but I remember reading the story...

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:13 PM

56. 47 of 47

Ugh...not anything to be proud of America.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:20 PM

59. These things are mostly subject to state law, so solutions can be mandated by state legislatures

 

These things are mostly subject to state law, so solutions can be mandated by state legislatures

I live in Blue Oregon. We vote by mail on paper ballots that can be recounted to verify
the results of close elections, as needed.

I love vote by mail, as it avoids all the skulduggery of long lines in poor or mostly Democratic
precincts, turning people away over ID issues, "running out" of ballots, etc; and it
elegantly prevents vulnerability to e-vote hacking/flipping.

The vote is verified by signature as a legal protection and there are stiff penalties for voter fraud.

Vote-by-mail also does not require voters to take time off work, can be done at ones leisure
without feeling rushed through the voting booth. Some like to have "mini-caucuses" where friends
& neighbors meet-up to discuss candidates and issues before voting.

Every state in the nation could adopt this at the state level, the only barrier being obstructionist GOP
Governors and/or Secretaries of State; who voters can recall and/or defeat in the next election of
state officeholders ... but ONLY if voters rise up in unison and demand change, because this isn't
(or shouldn't be) a "partisan" issue. It's about saving our democratic form of government.

Oregon also just became one of the first states to adopt "automatic voter registration" with drivers'
licenses, which a voter needs to opt-out of if they choose to be unregistered.

I'm very proud of our state's election laws, and wish the rest of the nation would join us in putting
an end to election fraud permanently.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:39 PM

68. I wonder if we should have....

A "jury duty" type process for counting votes. use a paper ballot that is scanned and if there is any recount needed, citizens are summoned to count the ballots in groups of 3 so you have no chance of one person counting the ballots and tossing them all in the GOP pile.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:25 PM

78. Hard to trust elections after 2000 and 2004. The GOP destroyed the integrity of the election.

 

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:05 PM

93. The fact that we are ranked 47th out 47 . . .

Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:40 PM - Edit history (2)

. . . objectively demonstrates just how poorly run our voting


protection/verification systems are here.

We are running a third-world system.

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Response to cer7711 (Reply #93)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:37 PM

102. Yep: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

 

The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

By Rick Noack March 21

What do Argentina, Costa Rica and Brazil have in common?

They all outranked the United States in a comparison of election standards and procedures conducted by the Electoral Integrity Project. The United States ranked 47th worldwide, out of 139 countries.

The survey is a measure of dozens of factors, including voter registration, campaign financing rules, election laws, the voting process and vote count.

Overall, one in six elections around the world were considered electoral failures. But in general, countries in the Americas and central and eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, were considered to be on the winning side in terms of electoral integrity, with Scandinavian and Western European nations topping the lists....

Read more:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/03/21/the-u-s-has-worst-elections-of-any-long-established-democracy-report-finds/

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:31 PM

94. Those who run the "flip" are shielded from "confronting." The #1 answer: a constitutional amendment.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:51 PM

97. Thank you for this OP, yuiyoshida!

They are trying their damndest to flip this election. W ushered in the era of in-your-face cheating. Cheaters must cheat to win.

People yearn for honor and honesty, that's what Bernie is about.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #97)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:02 PM

114. You know if the Powers that be want Donald Trump

to be President, there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #114)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:30 PM

140. But Brnie has unified us for the Movement!

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #140)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:34 PM

141. I am hoping he does to the point of taking

away the voice of the Republicans, but we saw what George W. BUSH did in 2000, and he wasn't even as popular as Trump.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #141)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:36 PM

142. Bernie has the Momenum and it keeps growing! Optimism is infectious!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:31 PM

99. Thank goodness someone is paying attention.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:33 PM

101. Boy are the GOP Plants good. It took all of one minute for this to go from a discussion

about the fact that the GOP is stealing the election while I type this, to Hillary is stealing the election.

GOP thanks anyone who distracts you from the reality of what is happening.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:42 PM

108. Doesn't Surprise Me One Bit... I Always Felt "Sometimes" Things Went Wrong...

BUT since I live in Florida, after 2000 I've NEVER been the same!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:14 PM

112. I suspect it has ...

To many discrepancies from the exit poll data to the final results always benefiting the same candidate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511568043

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:11 PM

115. So weird and you never really know

when a posting will make the greatest threads...fooled me! Thank you THINK PROGRESS...(ever since learning about Diebolt, I have and never will trust electronic voting, and yet many must because we are still using electronic voting machines. You would think we have learned our lesson by now as to which Corporation owns the machines, and who promises to give the vote to the highest bidder. I vote by mail, and I can't even trust that, since a mail bag turned up in an abandon warehouse with a bunch of votes, that were never ever counted. I don't trust our voting system, despite each time I will vote. No wonder we are 47th in the entire world.)

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:33 PM

116. We can only hope Anonymous will be keeping an eye on things

and keep it from being stolen the way they apparently did in 2012.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:39 PM

117. easy remedy: three part NCR paper. Yellow, blue, pink.

Mark the ballot. One copy to the ballot box. One copy to precinct archive under lock and key. One copy to the voter.

And don't give me any of that crap about people selling their votes if they get a copy of the ballot.

Other countries have used this system.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #117)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:31 PM

119. That would be awesome. There is no reason we can't have a paper trail other

 

Than corrupt entities and people keeping it from happening...

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:55 PM

120. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, yuiyoshida.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #120)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:21 AM

134. All one has to ask is why is "diebolt" so Infamous

Has electronic voting been fixed since than? Or has it been always "fixed"? since than. Who gets to manipulate the votes next? Follow the money. And even if the votes were hand counted we have seen evidence of tampering, or even later, finding bags of uncounted votes in some abandon warehouse some where. The people who run the system can not be trusted.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #121)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:25 AM

125. need a link and / or reference .. I want to see this.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #125)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:38 AM

132. What Bernie actually said:

Sanders Says He Would Ask Obama to Withdraw SCOTUS Nomination if Elected President

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sanders-obama-withdraw-scotus-nomination-elected-president/story?id=37748303

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:09 AM

124. I hope not

 

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:56 AM

127. Clearly the system is broken.

Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people getting so angry about the result of an election that's still about six months away.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:36 AM

137. K&R

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