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"NO": The Second Part of Trump's Answer That Got Audible Gasps From the Audience

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The Second Part of Trump's Answer That Got Audible Gasps From the Audience
By misskitty64
Wednesday Mar 30, 2016 · 8:13 PM PDT

When I watched the Chris Matthews interview with Trump on MSNBC tonight, I’d already seen the video exchange where Trump said that women who had gotten an illegal abortion should be punished. But when I watched the entire discussion, Trump made an even more shocking, and I think, more newsworthy statement that no one even bothered to mention.

Was this because he was saying something that everyone took as a given? I really hope to God not.

At the end of that whole segment, just before the commercial break, Chris asked him if the guy who had gotten the woman who had an illegal abortion pregnant should also be punished. After hemming and hawing for a few seconds - during which Chris pointed out that ‘some would say the guy had something to do with it’, Trump said simply...



“No.”



I just about fell out of my chair. But I wasn’t the only one. There were audible gasps from the pro-Trump audience members, a good portion of which were women.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/30/1508336/-Part-of-Trump-s-Answer-That-Got-Audible-Gasps-From-the-Audience
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/30/11333472/trump-abortions-punishment-women

Mathews, returning to moderator, told Trump, “By saying you’re pro-life you mean you want to ban abortion. How can [you] ban without some kind of sanction? Then you get into that very tricky question of a sanction. A fine? On human life? Which you call murder? A fine? Or, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant? What about the guy that gets her pregnant? Is he responsible under the law for these abortions?”

“I would say no,” said Trump after hemming a bit.

“Well, they’re usually involved,” Matthews snarked.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/30/1508336/-Part-of-Trump-s-Answer-That-Got-Audible-Gasps-From-the-Audience

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-answer-questions-about-abortion/

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Reply "NO": The Second Part of Trump's Answer That Got Audible Gasps From the Audience (Original post)
kpete Mar 2016 OP
Ilsa Mar 2016 #1
retrowire Mar 2016 #2
n2doc Mar 2016 #3
world wide wally Mar 2016 #67
malaise Mar 2016 #4
unapatriciated Mar 2016 #5
AxionExcel Mar 2016 #12
CrispyQ Mar 2016 #48
Darb Mar 2016 #6
dorkzilla Mar 2016 #7
AwakeAtLast Mar 2016 #76
saturnsring Mar 2016 #8
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #70
Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2016 #81
Thor_MN Apr 2016 #85
usedtobedemgurl Apr 2016 #86
Chemisse Apr 2016 #93
saturnsring Apr 2016 #95
treestar Apr 2016 #96
Democat Mar 2016 #9
elljay Mar 2016 #50
demigoddess Apr 2016 #88
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AllyCat Mar 2016 #10
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #26
AllyCat Mar 2016 #29
PatrickforO Mar 2016 #33
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HockeyMom Mar 2016 #36
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Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #15
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:31 AM

1. Kick. Trump loves his double-standards. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:33 AM

2. oh geez nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:34 AM

3. In TtRump's world women are just things to be used, abused and discarded n/t

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Response to n2doc (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:19 PM

67. But he said he would be the best thing that ever happened to women.

Now, I'm confused

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:34 AM

4. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Rec

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:34 AM

5. read a few comments on Kos

and I have to agree, It is all about punishing women for having sex. It is a control thing that the RW does not want to lose.

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Response to unapatriciated (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:02 AM

12. + 1

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Response to unapatriciated (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:49 AM

48. It's a no win situation for women.

If we don't have sex, we're stuck up prudes.

If we do have sex, we're sluts.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:35 AM

6. Shameless kick for a whisper campaign,

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:40 AM

7. He's no different than a radical Islamist then

Women relegated to chattel status and harm anyone who doesn't believe exactly what he does. And none of his supporters see anything wrong with this.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:40 PM

76. Shades of Slobodan Milosevic

Is his ghost giving him talking points?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:40 AM

8. not that i agree with punishing any abortion however her body her choice remember?

 

why would any man be punished for an abortion he didn't have. men have no say in it - it's isn't any of our business, womyn don't always tell their sexual partner that there is a pregnancy
perhaps that is why he said no, that or he's just a pig but before the flaming begins remember I don't agree with any of this

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:33 PM

70. Men have no say in it

Net necessarily. Many young women have had abortions because the man chose not to support her and the child, if it's born. My sister did this because her long term boyfriend had a congenital problem he did not want to pass onto his offspring. So, when she told him she was pregnant, he wanted nothing to do with the pregnancy, or with her. They broke up and she was in no position to raise a child by herself, so she had an abortion.

Some men even threaten women if the get pregnant and don't want an abortion.

I agree that if he has no say (especially if he doesn't want her to abort) he should not be held responsible, but it's not true that men never have any say in the decision.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #70)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:56 AM

81. yes there are men that get mad if you don't get an abortion

Even if you are married,financially stable, and have good insurance. In some men's mind they think if they are too good to wear a condom it is all the woman's fault. Having a healthy, beautiful baby is a terrible thing, in their opinions. Which is sad considering how many love children and can't have one. No good deed goes unpunished. It's all about controlling women. He hated my guts from the minute I told him I was pregnant. I thought we had a good marriage. I was wrong. . I am staunchly pro choice. I paid a lot in child support and school tuition.Thousands of dollars worth in a community property state where women are equal.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:54 AM

85. A woman can have an abortion, with or against the will of the sperm donor.

 

A sperm donor can support a woman getting an abortion, but against her will is the infanticide that the pro-lifers label every bit of genetic material not carried to full term.

A man can not have an abortion. However, if it were a crime, he could be guilty of conspiracy to commit an abortion.

That the pro-lifers have to struggle to talk about it shows the lunacy of their opinions.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:59 AM

86. If the man does not know that the woman is pregnant then I agree.

If he does know, and she has an abortion, then he is equally responsible IF he did not call the cops to turn her in and have her arrested.

Also, the mom/dad/best friend who accompanies her to the clinic will be accessories and need to be punished with possible jail time as well. Let's face it, if you go into the bank and kill people while trying to rob it, and I drove you there while knowing your plan, I am just as guity of murder. That is what these people have always argued - abortion is murder. So if someone drives you, pays for it, knows about the progress of murder and does not report it, they are just as culpable as the person committing the murder.

If the employer fronts the girl money, knowing it is for abortion, they may also be arrested for not turning in a murderer.

And, of course, the doctor and his staff are all guilty and must go to jail.

And if the guy tells her that he does not consent to abortion then the law must treat that as him paying child support for the next eighteen years. He will then be legally on the line.

Of course no one would say that a guy should be held responsible if he does not know but that is not what Trump said. We must go by exactly what he said. He told us the guy will not be held responsible and he did not add any qualifiers. Couple that with what he has said about women, before, and it all falls neatly in line and we have no need to question it.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:15 PM

93. There are men who urge their female partners to have abortions.

Trump included, ironically enough. If it were to be a crime to abort, the men who insist upon the act should be equally culpable.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #93)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:00 PM

95. the desicion to abort is hers and hers alone - urged or not it is still she that makes that desicion

 

her body her choice.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:47 PM

96. Yes that's why we should stick with choice as the issue

her body, her choice.

When it was illegal, it was a crime for which only women could be punished. Arguably violated the Equal Protection Clause. The child's father might know nothing about it.

Not having the choice legally, a lot of women would go ahead with birth rather than illegal abortion, and that would have its effects when it comes to child support, adoption, etc.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:45 AM

9. Does the man own the woman? If not, then why should he be punished under Trump's law?

This doesn't sound controversial unless you believe that women do not have the ability to make their own decisions.

The abortion issue alone should make all Democrats remember that we need to work together to defeat Trump.

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Response to Democat (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:56 AM

50. They want the man to own the woman

That's the very problem- the Republicans want to go back to the good old days when women were property of their male custodians. The men make all of the decisions and the women suffer all the consequences.

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Response to elljay (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:26 PM

88. back in the pre Roe v Wade days, there was an article in the paper about

the law and it said if you were going to commit a robbery, you might as well rape the woman because it was a freebie. Rape was harder to try and they would just go for the robbery and forget trying the rape. And if you were going to Rape someone you might as well steal at the same time. they would charge the rape because it was more serious and so the theft was a freebie and you would probably get off on the rape. Never did quite understand the point except to give men a blueprint for crime.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #88)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:23 PM

89. Don't know about that

but when in my first month of law school (in the South) we had a discussion about spousal rape. Stupid me piped up that a woman always had a right to consent so it was a crime. I was then verbally attacked by both men and women alike. After class, a couple of women thanked me for speaking up, to which I replied, "and where were you?" Never volunteered to speak in law school again.

Years later, during a term as a prosecutor, I got what I believe was my county's first conviction for spousal rape. Karma.

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Response to Democat (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:48 PM

72. but in the scenario being discussed, the woman does NOT have the ability to make their own decison

pay attention

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:50 AM

10. The media doesn't talk about it because so many Americans

Are anti-abortion because they are anti-women.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:59 AM

26. Banner headline at CNN right now: Trump's abortion remarks scare GOP

 

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:04 AM

29. The text only seems to talk about his support of punishing women

I don't see anything about his comment that men should NOT be punished.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:12 AM

33. I guess CNN didn't see fit to print that. Perhaps because its corporate owners are patriarchal...

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:43 PM

77. Bill Maher just said it's only like 19% of the population who want

to actually make it illegal?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:01 AM

11. In terms of the man not being punished:

In Trump's world, the abortion is a crime. Therefore, if the man helped pay for it, advised getting it, drove the woman to the clinic, knew about it and didn't report it, etc., it seems to me he'd be guilty of aiding and abetting.

By the same logic, if he chooses to criminalize the doctors, wouldn't both the man and woman involved in the pregnancy also be guilty of aiding and abetting?

Caveat: Obviously I'm not a lawyer.

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Response to Strat0 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:32 AM

35. What if she had the abortion because he kicked her to the curb when he found out she was pregnant

and she had no means to bring a child into the word.

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Response to Strat0 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:34 AM

36. My husband's Aunt had an abortion

when it was still illegal. She was a married woman. Of course, her husband knew about, agreed, took her and brought her home. Actually, even her adult daughters talked with her about it and gave moral support. Aiding and abetting too?

So her husband would not be charged? What about her children? Only if they were daughters, and not SONS?

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Response to Strat0 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:05 PM

73. In your scenario, the man would be guilty whether or not he's the biological father

 

Suppose the woman's brother, who had a vasectomy some years ago, did all those things for her: "helped pay for it, advised getting it, drove the woman to the clinic, knew about it and didn't report it, etc." -- that's within the classic definition of an accessory before the fact (because we're in a Trumpworld where reproductive rights have been repealed or eviscerated, and the woman is committing a crime).

OTOH, if the biological father did none of those things, punishing him would be a huge and unjustified expansion of the criminal law. An analogy: Suppose a Trump supporter goes to a mosque to beat up Muslims. The Trump supporter lost his driver's license after yet another DUI conviction, so he takes a cab. Is the cab driver guilty of aiding and abetting? After all, he had something to do with the crime.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #73)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:05 AM

79. Great Point about the brother.

I suppose the cabbie would be only be accountable if he knew that he was bringing the Trump supporter to the Mosque for the purpose of committing a crime, just as in the Trump universe I assume the cabbie could be found guilty of knowingly driving a woman to a clinic for an abortion. When you play it out it's kind of chilling.

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Response to Strat0 (Reply #79)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:57 AM

82. In the Trump universe....

 

"I assume the cabbie could be found guilty of knowingly driving a woman to a clinic for an abortion." What if she gives him an address that he recognizes as Planned Parenthood -- is that enough for a conviction? She might just be going for a mammogram.

What if the woman said she needed the abortion because her late-term pregnancy made it harder for her to beat up Muslims?

What if the cabbie's a Muslim?

If Trump wins, the legal profession will need a whole new Trump Universe Law Review just to keep up.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #82)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:47 AM

84. Time to call the Harvard (Lampoon) Law Review:

"If Trump wins, the legal profession will need a whole new Trump Universe Law Review just to keep up."

Ha,Perfect!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:05 AM

13. Thanks for posting this

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:12 AM

14. the best thing that has happened for democrats in a while is Trump and his uncontrollable mouth

 

the landslide in november is impending as women, especially conservative women are driven to vote for hillary....thank you conservatives, thank you foxnews...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:16 AM

15. Reminds me of this classic anti-choicer video...

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:49 AM

40. + a trillion

we should asked those against choice this, again and again.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:18 AM

16. May be a good thing

Firstly, I in no way support Trump. Secondly I am pro choice.
However, his comments should trigger some interesting discussions.
If, as many of "Pro Lifers" seem to want, abortion is made illegal. Then by definition the women who have these abortions have broken the law. Don't just let them talk about punishing healthcare providers. Make them come out and say we're going to punish the women too since they broke the law. Let's put it all out there.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:27 AM

17. ISIS only wants to go back to the Middle Ages

Trump obviously longs for prehistoric times. Women are possessions like clubs and fire-making materials - available only to the strongest men.

I will be terrified if his name appears on a ballot in November, but I really can't see him winning more than 10-15 states, which would be about a 3 to 1 blowout in the Electoral College.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:36 AM

18. I always thought it was a given

 

Punishing the man makes 0 sense given the intent behind anti-abortion laws, and the rhetoric the religious conservatives use. I'm kind of shocked anyone else is shocked. Glad that the question was asked and answered, I didn't think people were unaware of that part of the equation.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:44 AM

19. Shouldn't "shocking" imply something that is unexpected?

"Horrifying" might be more appropriate. But I suppose "shocking" could apply, if one really is not in tune with how despicable the women-haters really are. I suppose that people of more-or-less good will simply cannot imagine the full depths of depravity to which true oppressors sink. There's a tendency to shy away from the reality, because it is too awful to bear. In a patriarchal society, control of women is the highest priority, exceeding even race hatred or religious bigotry (although the latter usually reinforces the patriarchy).

The woman who has an abortion is committing the highest crime possible under this system: not killing a fetus, but daring to assert that she has a right to her own physical integrity. When the nature of the offense is understood, of course it follows that the male who contributed to the pregnancy is not only not culpable, but has actually been offended against (since his power has been defied). It also follows that the person or institution who administers the abortion is culpable, again, not because it has destroyed a fetus, but because it has abetted the woman in asserting her independence. It's not a hard concept to understand.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:46 AM

21. Well if they could get away with it, a lot of

Them would support abortion of female babies.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:55 AM

23. Maybe once the quota of slaves is filled.

I'm sure they'd support sterilization of those not in the dominant ethnic group, since racial bigotry is also an important facet of their rule. One does need a certain number of female children, both for propagation and to do women's work, but numbers in excess of that are probably superfluous. Of course, once they are beyond bearing age and no longer right and tight, euthanasia might be a good idea. Dean Swift would approve.

-- Mal

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:44 AM

20. I find Tweety annoying, usually, but he did a great job with that

interview at showing (like the WaPo has before) how little Trump has thought through his positions and how dangerous that is.

Our candidates are SOOOO much smarter and willing to deal with complexity while articulating clear proposals.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:53 AM

22. Does anyone really think Trump gives a crap about abortions?

 

His extreme answer of punishing a woman who has an abortion sounds really quite bad, right? So bad in fact that allowing a constitutional amendment regarding 3rd term abortions might not be so bad, right? And why do we even need an amendment for that? Most women who have a late term abortion are doing so because of health or medical issues. As well, it's almost impossible to find someone to even perform this service at all. In order for a hospital to do so, you would have to be near dying for them to do the procedure as an emergency. Most won't, say if you find the child has no brain stem. Nope, Mom, take that child to live birth only to bury it. Most women who have this procedure are women who really wanted their baby, nursery is set up, baby clothes sitting in drawers, diapers starting to pop up...
And something goes wrong. It happens. We don't need a law of prohibition; we need laws to guarantee a woman knows what sort of decision they should and can make for themselves when it comes to a late term abortion.

Every single story of late term abortion has been a story of extreme sadness, tragedy, and profound emotional emptiness and loss. I wish the media would assemble a panel of women who have had abortions... From those who have had the procedure early and towards the end. Hear their stories. Hear their pain. Because even those choosing at an early term have made a difficult decision OR perhaps it wasn't a difficult decision of what they needed to do, but why they felt they had to.

If you get pregnant young, it dampens the ability to continue education and expand on jobs. There's a reason teens and college age girls make the decision to have an abortion... They aren't ready, and they aren't allowing some other family to raise their child (it's quite a big deal to give away ones child; I think more profound than an abortion... I've seen both from various friends. The adoptions seem emotionally more charging than an abortion). What would happen if we supported these young women with daycare needs, and we had free college like Bernie has asked for? What a difference that choice would be for many young women! What about those doing so for financial issues? I think it's about 1/2, maybe more of all women having an abortion already have a child at home. They are sacrificing for the one or one's already alive; refusing to add an extra mouth... And that money to attend a clinic, isn't cheap. Most of it is borrowed money, many states have the 24 hr deal now (where u visit and then visit again for the abortion), so the trip may be an overnight expense. And in all of these states where abortion laws have literally closed clinics in areas that desperately need them, the self-abortion has increased tremendously... Mostly via shopping for drugs off the internet, but when the govt decides to crack that down, the old methods of being beaten in the stomach, falling down stairs, and coat hangers will be all the rage again.

There is a reason why it's legal. Since the beginning of time, women have found ways to rid pregancies; even if it was trudging off to some "witch woman" who had some sort of herbs that would induce a miscarriage, they have sought it out. You just can't make a woman "behave" as you wish when it's their body; it's their rights! These laws do not stop abortions. Even threat of jail will it stop a woman from terminating if they wish it.

What the Fuck century do we live in that we are actually conceding to a constitutional amendment regarding abortion limitations. If anything, it should be an amendment that frees women from societies patriarchy when it comes to their personal freedoms and their bodies. Are we going to allow men to drag their women to the court house steps for their Sunday beatings as well? Shall we just take their shoes, throw them into the kitchen, and keep the fat with babies? Seriously, what the fuck!!!!!

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Response to glowing (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:07 AM

30. Since I have three daughters and two granddaughters, I liked your rant.

I especially liked when you said, "What would happen if we supported these young women with daycare needs, and we had free college like Bernie has asked for? What a difference that choice would be for many young women!"

We are so brutal to our young mothers. If we actually organized our society around human need instead of human greed, abortions would go way down. I believe it is the cancer of neoliberal capitalism that makes it increasingly hard to afford a child, and of course the cancer of wrinkly white males in a patriarchal religion telling women what they can and cannot do.

Patriarchal religious fanatics, whether Christian, Muslim or Jewish are very dangerous to the common good.

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Response to glowing (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:10 AM

32. Our society operates for the wealthy. Need an abortion? Got money for a European vacation? /nt

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Response to NCjack (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:31 AM

47. Just Wait--The Whack Jobs Will Propose Pregnancy Test Controls At International Airports

Just wait--the next thing anti-abortion whack jobs will propose are mandatory pregnancy tests at international airports to try to keep women from leaving the US to have abortions.

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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:51 PM

59. Doubt that very highly ...

These types are conservative, remember? They don't like standing in the way of rich people, because to them, the rich have earned 'privileges' like flying off to France for an abortion that's not legal here.

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Response to glowing (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:38 AM

37. I think I love you!

My neighbor in her early 30s had a 20 week sonogram that showed the baby with no brain and barely a skull. This was her and her husband's second child and they were so excited it was a girl after having a boy first. When she found out this baby wouldn't survive, she was distraught. These people were christians and happily married! This was in Indiana and thankfully, it was many years ago because now, she would not be able to abort it because the Gov just signed a law outlawing this type of abortion for defects. (You can get one if the fetus is healthy but not deformed or defective, like that makes sense! it doesn't but I digress).

She didn't know what to do and at first, she wanted that baby out of her. But after crying for days, she decided to keep it until it came and she went into labor about a month early (from full term). The baby lived not even an hour. She did have another girl about 2 yrs later who is now 6 yrs old. They have a home service every year for the lost baby and have a corner in the garden dedicated to her memory.

Thank you for your rant. It's perfect.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:45 AM

38. And the mother had this choice for her body and her soul.

 

Some, like myself, would choose to have an abortion. And it should be every woman's right! And every woman should have access. And damn it, if I have to pay for viagra thru taxes, then clinics servicing poor, should be free thru tax monies as well! Why do we even entertain these fruit nuts who want to impose their religious doctrine into our secular nation of laws? Why do we allow it at all? People need to get off their apathetic butts and start paying attention to the politicians that are ruining their lives. Too few vote and too few know who is making their lives so shitty.

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Response to glowing (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:48 AM

39. Absolutely!

I totally agree with every point. I'm trying to get my 30 yr old niece to register to vote but I can't make her. I've tried to tell her how important it is. Thank you.

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Response to glowing (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:08 PM

51. Also strongly doubt Donnie gives a fuck about abortion.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #51)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:44 PM

54. Well, a few years past, he was pro-choice... So, I don't think he cares...

 

He's just spouting off from the base of what's left on the republican side. If anything, good, shine a light on that roach party and how they want to subjugate women. Show how obscene and ridiculous and out of touch it really means to vote Republican. Look at what the red states have passed so far in limiting and shuttering abortions. News media, instead of acting shocked at The Donald, explain to your viewers that the party he's in feels the same way. Oh, and that same choice of Tef Fucking Cruz, is even worse when it comes to the views on women, abortions, and LGBT... Please don't go apoplectic on Trump because he's stating the Republican Party position... Expose the damned party!!!

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Response to glowing (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:17 PM

64. He probably has a real opinion, but narcissists,

the real, clinically disordered ones, are incapable of compassion and empathy. It's simply not in them to care about most people they know, much less ones they don't.

A dead baby that was somehow an insult to The Donald's personal image would get him angry and engaged. Like that Fox woman, Kelly, he's stalked on line for a half year now did when she called him out on various insults. Otherwise, no.

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Response to glowing (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:59 PM

94. Wonderful rant/arguement !

You cover just about everything there is to be said for the pro-choice defense. I've been struggling to put this into words (and I taught English) for years. To me, you just nailed it. I was already married at the time of Roe vs Wade, thankfully had never been pregnant before, and was fortunate enough to have been able to afford an unplanned pregnancy thereafter. I was into ( fairly early) menopause at the time I was divorced. I realize, psychologically, that the two events may have had some relationship. Like many in my generation, I'd had at least one experience with a friend or dorm mate, who'd nearly died from a botched illegal abortion and rumors of others who had unexpectedly died for the same reason. "Boys will be boys" was accepted in my generation, and the Sixties' "sexual revolution" was not completely accepted for girls in middle America. I was from a liberal family, politically, but they were still very uptight about my "reputation," I won't go into the volumes that I could, since I'm sure many other women of my generation know just what I mean. Suffice it to say, there was never any doubt in my mind (or my parents' ) that, once birth control pills began making "promiscuity" almost as easy for women as men, the truth was obvious: sexual standards were almost all about control over women: NOT only their bodies, either. My Dad went completely nuts, once, when a stupid adult male friend implied I was "a pistol." Afterwards I was nearly in lock-down for months. Decades later, I know my adult daughter has had things much easier. Nonetheless, the theory that girls/women can get scary if not kept under control persists. Since they are thought of as the recipient of sex and males the initiator; in conservative mindset it remains the woman's duty to maintain moral standards. I have known, as a teacher, a few very young promiscuous girls ( sadly often with also young, promiscuous mothers) who just consider abortion an easy solution. I've always been pro choice, but I've never doubted that, in my own case or my daughter"s, it would be an agonizing choice with many factors considered.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:57 AM

24. I'm not surprised. This is the guy who said he'd do his own daughter.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:58 AM

25. I honestly believe

that he really doesn't know what he is talking about (or doesn't actually believe what he is saying). Trump- to me- is like a male version of Sarah Palin: Charismatic but ultimately devoid of any real intelligence or substance. IMHO he is either running as a joke or to appease his massive ego (or both).

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:09 AM

31. Agree with the Palin assessment, but...

He really just says this stuff for the ratings. Palin BELIEVED she was smart and sounded, well, not smart. Trump? I think he just believes that whatever he says is somehow a good thing as long as he gets air time. Politically, he has no idea what he talking about (like you said).

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:23 AM

34. I agree

he is, first and foremost, an entertainer. He is our modern day real-life version of "President Comacho" (if you have seen "Idiocracy", you know what I'm talking about).

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:48 PM

55. I'd rather have Camacho. nt

 

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:39 PM

61. Yeah

Who doesn't like a President dressed up like a wrestler and wielding a machine gun!

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #61)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:42 PM

65. And tells congress

 

To sit their monkey asses down

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:24 AM

45. Agree with Trump/Palin comparison.

Cheerleaders for fellow idiots both.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:00 AM

27. I'm hoping his campaign is beginning to unravel.

Trump really has no clue about much of anything. All that's running the show inside his head seems to be ego.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:06 AM

42. I don't know...

He seems to be the one you'd want the democratic nominee to run against.

There's so much good stuff out there.

If it's someone else, you'd have to start the opposition research from scratch.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:04 AM

28. I didn't realize Chris had asked about men being punished. Good for Chris. nt

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Response to Chalco (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:56 AM

49. He adeptly allowed Trump to hang himself

Not from any ideological posture, but by insisting that those questions be answered. If the existing right to abortion is nullified and laws are enacted to make it illegal, then specific penalties would also ensue, or it is not a serious undertaking, merely symbolic. Tough guy Trump was in a bind. He could not come off insisting that he was "pro-life" (not that he actually cares about this issue one way or another), wanting anti-abortion laws enacted to make it illegal, and then back down like some sort of paper tiger when it came to the question of punishment. The alternative answer would have been voluntary compliance, not a winner with Evangelicals that Trump is courting.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:56 AM

41. I wonder

How many women Trump has helped to get abortions? He probably considers paying for one punishment enough.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:08 AM

43. K&R

tweeted

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:22 AM

44. Thanks, I had missed that.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:28 AM

46. The Trumpster Only Said What The Anti-Abortion Fanatics Want To Do If Roe vs Wade Goes Down

The Trumpster only said what the anti-abortion fanatics want to do if Roe vs Wade is overturned--prosecute and jail abortion providers, then prosecute and jail women who have had abortions. Matthews' audience might have been outraged, but I suspect that the only real reason so many righties are upset by Trump's comments is because he tipped their hand on what they want to do after outlawing abortion.

At the risk of offending the pillow-princess Generation X'ers who failed to vote in the 2012 and 2014 elections, this is what you get when you stay home or ignore the down-ballot races. You get crazed right-wing legislators more than willing to criminalize abortions as part of their plans to punish women for having sex.

You love Bernie, hate Hillary, and plan to stay home if she wins the Democratic Party's nomination? Then expect Tea-publican-controlled legislatures to pass more of the same and expect friends, family, and acquaintances to do hard time.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:23 PM

52. The term used to be: "She got herself pregnant." See? How can the guy be at fault?

Trump has just enough brains in front of a camera to not say that. But the women who gasped? They got it loud and clear.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:43 PM

53. mark & kick

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:50 PM

56. He doesn't do well in person or when he's not phoning it in.

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Response to underpants (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:51 PM

78. wow thanks - interesting observation. To me, he is just

wide open saying whatever the hell comes to his head. Totally non-political. I saw the abortion interview with Chris. And, I have seen/listened to countless hours of him talk in the background while I work. He had zero clue what the punishment should be - zero. He probably never even thought of it before. Especially since he was pro-life. And yes, you are so right - he could have just rambled on about something else if he had been on the phone

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #78)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:10 AM

87. I read it several weeks ago

I think it was in the Washington Post. I had thought it was strange not actually seeing someone running for office but the writer pointed out the technical and presentation advantages.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:05 PM

57. Yeah, I noticed that...

Yet, it wasn't really touched upon by any of the commentators. I thought it was another huge (sorry....YUGE) mistake on Trumps part.

-Paige

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:31 PM

58. I posted about this interview yesterday

 

I got only 2 replies, both of which were negative. Thank you!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:13 PM

60. All of those who oppose abortion

 

seem to place the blame for the pregnancy squarely on the woman. The father of the fetus is NEVER held responsible or accountable.

Apparently there are an awful lot of immaculate conceptions out there.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:44 PM

62. Trump is a prick of the highest order

 

He deserves to lose hard this November.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:03 PM

63. He needs to be depicted in skins holding a club

and a woman by the hair, that would be an accurate symbol of his ideology. Fred Flinstone on meth.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:50 PM

66. Discrimination against women is still the first and foremost group being treated unequally globally

Bullying, control, objectification, ridicule and abuse are the primary mechanisms used to suppress women.

We will not put the equalization of the feminine back into the bottle prison, Donald.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:22 PM

68. So, if all the GOP idiots believe in "smaller government"… Why do they insist on taking away a

woman's freedom to choose and have the government make that decision for her?
How is this "smaller government" ?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:31 PM

69. How dare they say "no"!!!!

Don't you know that Trumpenfuror only hears "yes" answers in his head every minute of the day?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:45 PM

71. So he is anti-abortion without being pro-family.

What a heel!

What kind of woman would vote for him?

My husband's question to anyone with Trump's opinioni: Woould you put your daughter in jail if she had an abortion?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:06 PM

74. Trump is racking up points with the 4chan crowd, sadly for him their mothers

 

don't allow them out of the basement too often.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:00 PM

75. This puritanical view of sex and women and men is going to be our undoing...

Jesus we are in the dark ages when it comes to human sexuality, our maturity and our self confidence.

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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #75)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:08 PM

90. +1 so fucking much

(Pun intended)

We need to grow up into something remotely resembling mentally health.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:35 AM

80. A window into the soul (or lack thereof) of a conservative moron.

Women are objects and property, baby-making machines who serve the desires of men.

The old dodge for the men responsible for getting a woman pregnant used to be:
"It's not my baby; you can't prove it's mine". They could, and usually would, flee
the situation, leaving the woman to bear the burden of having the baby -- alone --
and ALL of the burden of caring for a baby. Not to mention the burden of being shamed
for it. (refer to "welfare reform" Pregnancy is always the fault of the woman.

We now have the science of DNA testing to prove paternity. Why is there no law
that insists upon DNA testing of men ? Why aren't they forced to have a medical
procedure (lab test of blood or saliva) like women who are forced to have ultrasounds,
etc.? Why aren't they held accountable for the care of these children they produce ?
If these men are so vehemently opposed to abortion, they should be happy to assume
the custody and care of the child which is their own flesh and blood -- especially if it
means preventing an abortion ! Wouldn't such a standard reduce the number of women
and children who are on those dreaded welfare rolls ?

If Congress passed laws demanding that men be held accountable, the whole
"abortion debate" would evaporate in the blink of an eye. But they won't, because
MEN ARE IN THE MAJORITY. Who says you can't have it both ways ?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:00 AM

83. If Super Delegates Go Against Pledged Delegates

 

Then say hello to your new president.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:12 PM

91. Trump talks too much and too hastily.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:16 PM

92. kick

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