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Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:46 AM

Tonight's the night in my opinion. The decline of the Donald has begun a freefall

His lunatic self let himself get caught in the verbiage of Tweety's pushing.
Mr. Trump has started shoveling a grave for himself by saying women ought to be penalized / prosecuted in some yet undefined way if they get an abortion
(whether he rescinded it later to put the onus on abortion doctors is irrelevant)
and then to answer the question if men who get women pregnant should also be punished with a "No".

This was in my opinion the stop in time when asinine statements, and shocking revelations of skin thin thought processes have turned and will no longer provide a new climb in the polls.

I predict the reverse will happen, they will go down now, and he will lose Wisconsin for starters.
I have been waiting for the worm to turn and I think this will do it.

I don't agree with a DU thread in progress that MSNBC let us down by pushing this issue into the forefront of tonight's long individual interviews as the most important thing. I think it was just that important, and new info, and needed to be featured on the front burner.

The back pedaling the Donald did by later blaming the doctors simply indicates he caught on and tried to wipe the stain off the floor.

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Reply Tonight's the night in my opinion. The decline of the Donald has begun a freefall (Original post)
Mira Mar 2016 OP
MADem Mar 2016 #1
AngryOldDem Mar 2016 #2
Safe as Milk Mar 2016 #6
lancer78 Mar 2016 #8
vadermike Mar 2016 #3
0rganism Mar 2016 #4
Safe as Milk Mar 2016 #5
lancer78 Mar 2016 #7
AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #9
BainsBane Mar 2016 #10

Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:54 AM

1. Some of his crazyf-ing supporters will regard that as a feature, not a bug..

He may even pull some Cruz supporters with that stance.

There are a lot of people in this world who think that women are a "necessary evil," and are responsible for all of "man's" ills. They forget where they spent their first nine months, I guess....or maybe they fear that if their mom might have known how they'd turn out, she'd have had 2nd thoughts...and they don't want to give women that option to control their own bodies.

Some people say -- and they're probably not wrong -- that if men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament, and a 'bonus' day when it comes to sick leave.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:12 AM

2. I've thought that before...I'm taking a wait-and-see.

It seems like whenever he says crazy stuff like this, it only makes his support stronger. I think Tuesday will make things a lot clearer in terms of where things really stand.

From what I saw, it seemed like Matthews was going after Trump pretty hard, and wasn't putting up with Trump's crap. Too little, too late, IMHO. But I did appreciate it that Trump was basically backed into a corner on the abortion question, and came out looking pretty bad (at least to those of us who have brains and critical thinking skills).

It's clear that Trump hasn't the first clue about issues, the presidency, or how to govern. I hope that eventually the light dawns and those major failings make the difference. But again, I'm not holding my breath.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:48 AM

6. Tweety

He spent 17 of 18 minutes in the first segment letting Trump waste time with a mountain of "ain't I wonderful". Tweety plays the second segment more aggressively, as if he knew that his knees were getting sore kneeling in front of the propaganda master and he didn't want to be photographed with his mouth open. That's when he got Trump to admit that he wanted women to be punished for getting an abortion. It appears that Tweety gave up after the second segment and let Trump roam over the policy landscape like a butterfly in a desert. He can't get too testy or Trump will deny him access in the future. And THAT would be a blow to Tweety's gravitas.

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Response to Safe as Milk (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:22 AM

8. There is doing a good interview...

 

then there is f**king up royal. Tweety was f**king up royal. Kept talking over Trump, and being around a bunch of his (Trump's) supporters, they HATE being talked over.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:21 AM

3. It may not matter

With his supporters they will continue with him or support him more I think Cruz was gonna win Wisconsin Anyways but they will split the delegates it's proportional He will probably get a ton of delegates out of NY Cruz has no base there neither does kasich The GOP is fucked where'd they either steal or fuck him out if the nomination in Cleveland or let him be the nominee

If this was before SC NH it would have mattered but it's too late now The GOP fucked themselves by throwing so much BS and red meat to their supporters for 40 plus years chickens are coming home to roost

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:36 AM

4. damn! too early

if he blows up too soon his support base will collapse before the convention and he'll get dominated by some hideous chimera/conglomeration of establishment toadies... i want DJT vibrant, alive, orange, and vulgar for the convention.

of course, i've been afraid he'd peak out before, and then he turns around with some kind of Lenny Bruce genius and says some incredibly outrageous shit that further demolishes the GOP in explosions of public humiliation.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:40 AM

5. And again, what of the sperm donors?

If Trump's backpedalled response blames doctors for the "crime", and victimizes women who obtain an abortion, then what is the role of the sperm donor for the fertilization of the egg? Is he, too, a victim of the doctor's illegal activity? Or is the sperm donor complicit with the doctor ("Yeah. Go ahead, Doc.", and therefore would also be guilty of committing "murder"?

Even if the criminal codes do not provide a penalty for any future crime of abortion, at some point in the dismal future, the logic of the situation would be that both the male and female donors of genetic material that comprises the DNA of a zygote or fetus can file a civil suit against the doctor for performing the medical procedure, even if BOTH approve before the abortion.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:19 AM

7. I don't think so

 

How Tweety kept talking over Trump, all it will do is embolden his (Trump's) supporters. Also, his answers should HELP with the Evangelicals, so it might hurt Cruz enough so Trump wins Wisconsin.

And before anyone says that I am a Trump supporter, let me say that no, I am not. However, I think the Dems need him to be the Republican nominee as he is the only person that Hillary beats comfortably.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:27 AM

9. His supporters have too many grievances to let little things like this get in the way

People who can't understand why Trump can't be stopped don't understand the people who support him.

You think anyone of his supporters will come to the conclusion of: "Because Trump did X, oh well, I guess I'm going to have to vote for the sellout politician that cares more about special interests than me and the country."?

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:32 AM

10. It would be nice to think so

But he seems to be impervious to the sort of controversies that plague other politicians. The problem that his campaign is built around hatred of everyone but white men so making being a woman illegal may not penalize him. Of course it will hurt him in the general election, but the GOP primary is a whole other world.

Then there is the fact that Cruz is the one who would benefit from such a decline. I think he is a more predictable candidate for the Democrats to run against, so if your predictions are true, it may turn out to be good for the Democratic Party.

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