HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Something Is Going Seriou...

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:44 PM

Something Is Going Seriously Wrong at Arizona Polls Today

Nathan Wellman / US uncut


Arizona’s primaries aren’t even done yet, and there’s already legal action being taken as a result of incompetence or possibly even intentional sabotage.

Leaders from the Arizona branch of the Democratic Party have confirmed that its lawyers are officially making an inquiry after multiple Democratic voters showed up to the polls only to find that they were listed as independents, Republicans, or had no party affiliation at all.

Many voters wound up having to wait in line under the hot Arizona sun only to find that they were ineligible to vote for the candidates of their choice. To add insult to injury, the polling locations have been so poorly planned that many voters had to wait in line up to four hours before finding out that their information had been improperly filed.

Poll workers have been giving out “provisional ballots,” according to 12 News. It’s unclear at this time as to whether these ballots will actually count in the Arizona primary, and whether intentional or not, it could result in the disenfranchisement of Arizona voters. Some frustrated residents are taking to YouTube and social media to voice their frustrations.

full story here:
http://usuncut.com/news/arizona-polling-disaster/

140 replies, 13278 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 140 replies Author Time Post
Reply Something Is Going Seriously Wrong at Arizona Polls Today (Original post)
Mira Mar 2016 OP
retrowire Mar 2016 #1
LoisB Mar 2016 #3
Akamai Mar 2016 #8
kcdoug1 Mar 2016 #10
AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #23
mariawr Mar 2016 #81
SciFiRK Mar 2016 #83
Skittles Mar 2016 #11
suffragette Mar 2016 #59
yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #106
PatrynXX Mar 2016 #31
SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #90
PatrynXX Mar 2016 #95
PatrynXX Mar 2016 #99
George II Mar 2016 #74
Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #2
Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #42
FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #93
DesertRat Mar 2016 #62
Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #70
PADemD Mar 2016 #4
Retrograde Mar 2016 #5
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #13
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #32
Retrograde Mar 2016 #45
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #48
ArcticFox Mar 2016 #50
George II Mar 2016 #75
ArcticFox Mar 2016 #79
George II Mar 2016 #80
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #136
George II Mar 2016 #138
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #139
Pacifist Patriot Mar 2016 #71
Amaril Mar 2016 #102
former9thward Mar 2016 #109
dflprincess Mar 2016 #6
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #14
dflprincess Mar 2016 #20
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #24
Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #7
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #9
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #15
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #25
jhart3333 Mar 2016 #26
Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #29
former9thward Mar 2016 #110
Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #113
former9thward Mar 2016 #116
a2liberal Mar 2016 #30
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #39
Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #35
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #88
a kennedy Mar 2016 #12
Jitter65 Mar 2016 #16
a2liberal Mar 2016 #33
OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2016 #17
concreteblue Mar 2016 #65
bvf Mar 2016 #18
TreasonousBastard Mar 2016 #19
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #21
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #22
drray23 Mar 2016 #27
a2liberal Mar 2016 #34
Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #40
pnwmom Mar 2016 #54
druidity33 Mar 2016 #135
WolverineDG Mar 2016 #28
azretired Mar 2016 #36
former9thward Mar 2016 #111
allan01 Mar 2016 #37
The Green Manalishi Mar 2016 #38
Boldine Mar 2016 #41
Ptah Mar 2016 #43
Boldine Mar 2016 #44
Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #46
Pathwalker Mar 2016 #47
a2liberal Mar 2016 #55
Pathwalker Mar 2016 #100
Hoppy Mar 2016 #49
valerief Mar 2016 #51
redstateblues Mar 2016 #52
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #57
deutsey Mar 2016 #69
farleftlib Mar 2016 #72
cui bono Mar 2016 #117
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #53
mariawr Mar 2016 #84
Pakhet Mar 2016 #56
Hulk Mar 2016 #58
B Calm Mar 2016 #77
cui bono Mar 2016 #118
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #60
DesertRat Mar 2016 #61
BeanMusical Mar 2016 #63
Hiraeth Mar 2016 #85
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #64
Gumboot Mar 2016 #66
deutsey Mar 2016 #67
colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #68
George II Mar 2016 #73
retrowire Mar 2016 #82
George II Mar 2016 #89
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #119
George II Mar 2016 #125
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #130
George II Mar 2016 #131
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #132
George II Mar 2016 #137
FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #94
George II Mar 2016 #96
bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #76
mariawr Mar 2016 #78
Sunlei Mar 2016 #86
Retrograde Mar 2016 #108
KPN Mar 2016 #87
chknltl Mar 2016 #107
LowOiL Mar 2016 #114
stopbush Mar 2016 #91
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #121
stopbush Mar 2016 #122
Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #124
blackspade Mar 2016 #92
artyteacher Mar 2016 #97
polly7 Mar 2016 #98
Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #101
Takket Mar 2016 #103
giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #104
cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #105
MisterP Mar 2016 #120
cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #127
MisterP Mar 2016 #128
cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #129
Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #112
pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #115
BeanMusical Mar 2016 #123
MadDAsHell Mar 2016 #126
onogirl Mar 2016 #133
onogirl Mar 2016 #134
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #140

Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:55 PM

1. There's only one word for this!

FUCK

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to retrowire (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:59 PM

3. Yep. Heard something very similar on Thom Hartmann yesterday. I believe the

caller was from the Southwest. Getting Republican primary mailings but she is a registered Democrat and according to her has always been.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LoisB (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:10 PM

8. Yup! Thom said that this might be intentional disenfranchisement of the voter. Interesting that it

 

might be people other than the Republican party.

Let's see how this settles out.

Go Bernie!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to retrowire (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:12 PM

10. Or

DNC

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to kcdoug1 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:39 PM

23. it's voter suppression

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:32 AM

81. YES IT IS VOTER SUPPRESSION and it benefited who on the Dem side? Hmmm

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mariawr (Reply #81)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:35 AM

83. Hillary

 

Voters who joined the Dems so they could vote Bernie and were still listed as Independents or none.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to retrowire (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:13 PM

11. technically the word is "disenfranchisement"

AKA "FUCK"; yes INDEED

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Skittles (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:17 AM

59. Exactly so.

And it sucks.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Skittles (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:05 PM

106. ^THIS^

indeed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to retrowire (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:50 PM

31. well I'm sure Hitler would be proud :(

But John McCain might have something to do with it too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PatrynXX (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:12 AM

90. Are you trying to get banned?

If you can't make a point without invoking Hitler it's probably best left unsaid.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #90)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:47 AM

95. no but since hillary supporters have already

posted such nonesense it seems to be allowed

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PatrynXX (Reply #95)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:06 AM

99. technically depends on 1. whats been said that day thus my mood 2.

I'm trying to hold my tongue. But I'm not perfect I'll repeat Jesus line saying he who is without sin, cast the first stone. I could delete it. But then there is no point to be made. I know what could get me banned but 1. we aren't there yet 2. I'm voting 99 % Democrats this year. How that makes me Republican is absurd to say the least. Left leaning even doesn't make me Republican because most Republicans are not fond of me unless they knew me when I was say 11-15 yrs old. Then we can do a good debate. Last one that was rather vile was over Min wage. the $21 an hour thing is not exactly jawdropping had it occured gradually. but if it suddenly went there it would fix what we keep putting on temporary band-aids but they weren't having any of that ...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:56 PM

2. "provisional ballots"

Yes, that's out of the Florida playbook. Some years back they wouldn't even look at those ballots unless the election was contested.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:18 PM

42. If the margin of victory is 10k, they are not going to count 5k provisional ballots.

 

Counting them can not change the election results.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:41 AM

93. It could change the Delegate apportionment. This is not the general winner take all situation.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:21 AM

62. People can go to the AZ Sec. of State's website

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DesertRat (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:59 AM

70. Glad to see progress being made with these ballots.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:04 PM

4. IMO, they should shut the AZ primary down & reschedule. n:t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:06 PM

5. Do any other states do what California does?

Namely, 4 -6 weeks before an election send every registered voter a sample ballot that includes the voter's polling place, party, and a copy of the ballot for that election? This way you can spot any errors in advance and get them fixed (our county registrar has been very responsive to questions).

I'm a vote-by-mail person with no party affiliation. Our primary is in June: two weeks ago I got a postcard asking which party's ballot I want (I usually go Dem, except the one time the Republicans had an open primary and I wanted to vote against Fiorina as many times as possible).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Retrograde (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:16 PM

13. Indiana provides a sample ballot online.

There are other states that do the same.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:51 PM

32. I was able to find that online the last time around here in New York

Though it took some searching to find it. This is especially bad news since I don't recall a western state like Arizona having voter suppression issues before.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:26 PM

45. So while the ballots are online, they're not proactively sent out to voters?

Is it at a state site? How do they handle county or Congressional district-specific elections?

In addition to the sample ballots, we get a voter's guide from the state, containing the full text of all state propositions with arguments pro and con, and statements from everyone running for a statewide office (or at least those who bother to send one in). For local elections we get a similar supplement.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Retrograde (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:45 PM

48. Not in my experience.

And I have the same opinion about propositions, tough to read and understand some of the more complicated ones right on the spot unless they've received some publicity. Previously, I've seen sample ballots at my polling place, and you could bring them home for someone who hadn't voted yet, but that was when we had the old lever machines.

Since we've changed to the paper ballots that you fill out and stick in the machine, I have worried that some people wouldn't know to turn them over to vote for the propositions on the back.

I have a friend who has never voted before who I persuaded to register and vote in time for this election. She was anxious about the lever machines until I told her about the new ballots and she was relieved. I'm not, worry that too much could go wrong with the new machines.

And here in New York, I guess you're responsible for doing your own homework. We still get a lot of mailings from candidates, got complaints about that when I went door-to-door for my congressman, but no sample ballots. I had to look for them on line - had everything on them provided you know your district and ward - and I knew what I was looking for...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Retrograde (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:47 PM

50. I'm similarly non-denominational

This year at least, Republicans aren't offering their ballot to me. I got a democratic ballot. I'm voting for Bernie.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ArcticFox (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:20 AM

75. If you're "non-denominational" (I take that as being an Independent?) you can't vote in the primary.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #75)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:30 AM

79. In California I can

I've just requested a democratic party primary ballot.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ArcticFox (Reply #79)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:31 AM

80. I thought you were talking about Arizona. My mistake.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #75)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:54 PM

136. Closed primaries are restricted to your registered political party affliliation.

Open primaries the voter decides which ballot they want. They can't vote in both.

As for Independent it depends if it is lower or upper I. If there is an Independent Party and there is primary there can be an election. If you are just an independent not associated with any party you don't vote in any closed primaries.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #136)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:35 PM

138. Independent meaning no party affiliation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #138)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:38 PM

139. Upper case Independent Party they could vote but not in the Democratic or Republican.

Just in a primary for the Independent Party.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Retrograde (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:06 AM

71. I've received sample ballots in the past in Florida, but don't recall getting one this year.

I don't know if it's because they only do sample ballots for the general election and not primaries though. Or if they came from the Supervisor of Elections or from the League of Women voters.

I honestly can't remember in which elections I received sample ballots or from whom. Crap memory as I get older.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:36 AM

102. I got one this year (Florida) n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Retrograde (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:42 PM

109. AZ sends out a voters booklet.

I get it every election no matter how big or small. Part of the problem is that when people move they have to re-register at their new address. Often instead of putting down their party they put down nothing at all thinking they are still registered with the party. But they are not. So they are classified as an Independent since they did not mark any of the boxes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:06 PM

6. I heard on Thom Hartmann today that people who had changed their registration to "Democrat"

were being told they weren't registered as Dems, even when they had the registration card they had been sent confirming their status. And they were being given "provisional" ballots.

In many states, the parties are in charge of how their primary or caucus is run - is this true in Arizona?


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dflprincess (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:18 PM

14. That would be a false statement.

Most parties are in charge of their caucus. Primaries are run by the state.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:34 PM

20. Thank you

being in a caucus state where the parties make the rules, I was led to believe that in some states they get to set a few more rules for the presidential primaries as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dflprincess (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:39 PM

24. What might happen in states with primaries is setting a different date.

Or a date just for presidential primaries. Sometimes one party determines when the primary will be without consent from the other party.

With primaries the election law is the same for both regardless of party. Caucuses are run by the parties which also means they determine how they will be conducted. The Democratic Party usually conduct it different from the Republican Party.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:08 PM

7. Oh it was without a doubt intentional and so very far from circumstantial.

Don't you just love the way the press cannot say anything substantial about how voters were denied their rights, but can go on and on and on about alleged "voter fraud" that evidently never acutally happened. Too effing lazy to do any followup investigating and too distracted awaiting the next howling pronouncement from Trumpenfuehrer.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:10 PM

9. I have my original Oregon voter's registration card

From when I moved to Oregon almost 20 years ago.

I keep it in my wallet along with my auto insurance card, and my car registration.

It says I signed up on 11/05/1996 as a DEM, and what voting district.

Doesn't' everyone who is registered get one of these, or is this only an Oregon thing. Come to think of it, I don't remember ever having one from other state's I've lived in, but maybe I just forgot?

If someone told me I couldn't vote because I'm a republican, I'd whip out my card and say prove it. I'm not leaving till I get to vote.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:20 PM

15. Every state does it differently.

It depends on the state law. Not every state have voters register with a party affiliation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:39 PM

25. If party doesn't matter, then don't put it on the card

It could still be a valid way to prove you are registered to vote, and what precinct you vote in.

I don't really even need it here, since we vote by mail.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:40 PM

26. Oregon is very special in this regard.

We get vote by mail and our right to vote is taken very seriously. I got to register when I got my Oregon drivers license and I just got my registration card after having been away since the early 2000's. I went down to the county voting office(that's right we actually have them) because I hadn't received it yet. The gal at the counter said that I could come down and get a ballot up until closing time on the day of the primary. I'm so glad to be back.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:46 PM

29. And we vote by mail, which eliminates a whole bunch of the other bullshit like long lines.

The whole country should do it, but of course that would mean broader participation, and we know that some politicians don't want that.


Cough.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:46 PM

110. AZ votes by mail.

I voted three weeks ago. These long lines are because people refuse to vote by mail and would rather waste time standing in line. Every one of them could have voted by mail.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to former9thward (Reply #110)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:48 PM

113. Learn something new every day.

You're right. One hopes that more people will avail themselves of the opportunity.

Im not sure how AZ handles it, of course. With OR the vote by mail is default, everyone gets their ballots in the mail weeks before the election. So it is not something which people have to request.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #113)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:11 PM

116. In AZ you only have to request it one time.

After that they automatically send you a ballot for every election, big or small. Its been 10 years since I have been inside a polling place.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:48 PM

30. see post 6 (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to a2liberal (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:03 PM

39. Yes, I caught that after I posted

Some heads should roll for that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:57 PM

35. Still got my from '92... sitting next to a zippo.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:50 AM

88. In Washington the State, anyone can walk into a caucus and sign in as a Democrat.

 

I don't like that system.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:13 PM

12. and Arizona is to close to call.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:21 PM

16. People need a civics lesson about their own state's voting process.

 

Closed primary means something. Many of these people are Independents who just thought they could show up and vote....NOT. It's not someone trying to steal votes or deny registered voters their right to vote. Heard from the ground that sure, many people are registered but many want to change registration and cross over now...too damn late! Independents thought they could just show up and ask for a ballot and vote. yes they are legally registered voters but they are registered Independent.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jitter65 (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:52 PM

33. Some other people need a reading comprehension lesson (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:24 PM

17. I don't think this will be an issue in Pima County (Tucson et all)

 

Our county recorder is F. Ann Rodregues a Dem. As the president of the Marana Dems Democratic club I have had several chances to interact with Ann. In fact, she was the guest speaker at our February meeting. We spoke to her for about an hour and a half and I can assure you, she trucks no bullshit. In fact, I think she is a Bernie supporter based on some of her remarks. Maricopa county on the other hand is Republican. In Tucson, we call it Aritucky so who knows.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OffWithTheirHeads (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:00 AM

65. Why would you want to insult Kentucky/Kentuckians like that?

We hear about the shit that goes down there we just shake our heads....instead of of calling it "douchebagland"......

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:31 PM

18. Heads had better fucking roll over this. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:33 PM

19. Likely there is some dirty business going on, but...

it could be largely a less suspicious fuckup.

I'm a pollworker here, and collect petitions, do a bunch of GOTV and other low lever stuff. First problem is that many people don't eve nknow how they are registered. One friend of mine was actually surprised when I had him registered as a Republican. He said he once was, but thought he changed it.

Every election we get a few people who aren't registered the way they think they are. If registered at all.

And that's here in the NYC suburbs, where things are reasonably straight and properly done. But far from perfect.

So, depending on the Arizona county, it could be simply incompetence.

Not that that's any better, but it does have a better chance of being dealt with than charges of corruption.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:35 PM

21. Time To Go To War???

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:35 PM

22. People Died For The Right To Vote

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:42 PM

27. maybe people should pay attention to the caucus rules

and register before the deadline. Those that did not will be turned back. its closed caucus.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to drray23 (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:55 PM

34. Maybe people should pay attention to the article they're commenting on (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to drray23 (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:04 PM

40. Nice argument. What if that don't work?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:18 PM

54. Everyone should have just voted early, as they can in Arizona.

They could have signed up to get an early ballot, as most voters did.

We do all our balloting by mail (except for caucuses) in WA and it works very well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pnwmom (Reply #54)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:59 PM

135. yeah, blame the victim. nt.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:44 PM

28. Might be shenanigans now

(& who would benefit, I wonder?)

I hope it's just a screw up & not a nefarious plot.

But in the general election, not having "Democrat" associated with your voter registration card might come in handy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:58 PM

36. Maricopa County, where Phoenix is, reduced its voting locations

 

from 220+ to less than 70 this time, according to the local NPR.

The Clerk or registrar in charge in this county, where I live, has had problems virtually every election. AZ primaries are closed primaries and we are being told that many registered independents are in line to vote because they wrongly think they are eligible to vote in primaries.

Independents outnumber each of the other parties, but AZ refused to let them vote in primary elections.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to azretired (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:22 PM

111. Independents should not vote in party primaries.

Party primaries are for the purpose of the party selecting their own candidates for the general election. Indies have no business interfering with that. If they want to select a nominee then become a member of that party.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:00 PM

37. id love a big fat lawsuit out of this

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:01 PM

38. They are Rethuglicans. We are playing dodgeball with Mafia hit men EOM

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:14 PM

41. AZ went down from about 200 polling places

to 60 in Maricopa County. As of the 2010 census, its population was 3,817,117, making it the most populous county in the state, and the fourth-most populous in the United States. and it only has 60 polling places for the whole county.

Not only have they gerrymandered districts. They changed the name of this election from a “primary” to a “presidential preference” election which does NOT allow any independent voter to be able to vote.

Along with running out of Democratic Ballots, it is almost as if the repugs don't want anyone else to vote (snark).
- - - -
The line was more than a half-mile long near 4th and Glendale avenues in Phoenix when the polls closed. Voters near the front of the line said they have been waiting to vote for just over three hours. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/22/live-arizona-primary-coverage-presidential-preference-election/82096726/

Thank you to all voters in AZ for making your voice heard.

(*Thanks Ptah for pointing out my typo.)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Boldine (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:21 PM

43. No, independent voters cannot vote today in Arizona.

“presidential preference” election which does allow any independent voter to be able to vote.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ptah (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:26 PM

44. Sorry typo - you are 100% correct.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)


Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:40 PM

47. Same problems in Michigan, but those don't count,

because Bernie won,eh? They just happened to run out of ballots in Democratic strongholds like FLINT, Detroit, Lansing, etc. - ALL OVER THE STATE. Nobody on DU - except Michigan voters cared.

Do you call that fraud?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pathwalker (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:29 PM

55. More info on Michigan

I'm in Michigan. I'm bad at writing so this is stream of thought format, somewhat edited. It started out as an indignant post (original title was "Excuse me?" and transformed as I researched.

- First, the problem was biggest in west Michigan -- Bernie country (specifically Kent County). That's what all the news reports were about too because it was so significant.

- I concede that other areas were affected too, with not as much immediate reporting. Here is the most comprehensive report I could find. I promise you I did not cherry pick this -- http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/08/michigan-presidential-primary-turnout/81502754/

- The areas listed in the above article are: Kent County, Ingham County, and Redford Township.

- As I mentioned above, Kent County is strongly Bernie country -- 62.5% to 37.3%. Ingham County is too, because Lansing/East Lansing: 54.7% to 43.7%. Redford Township (Wayne County) went for Hillary 55.4% to 43.1%

- Sources for data (because it took a while to find some): http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/03/live_results_michigan_primary.html (Kent/Ingham County)
http://www.waynecounty.com/clerk/1609.htm (Redford Township)

- I searched and found no evidence of any problems in Detroit (I concede Redford Township is probably "close enough". I did find that it was true in Flint (Hillary territory). I didn't realize that and am sorry.

- I guess you don't outright say this, so I apologize if I misunderstood you. But it seemed to me (from the areas that you mentioned) that you meant to imply that Bernie supporters didn't care because Hillary supporters were disenfranchised and Bernie won. That's only very slightly true -- as described above, it was a problem across the board. It is true that we didn't make as much noise as I had hoped for (voter disenfranchisement is a SERIOUS issue regardless of candidate -- I was hopping mad when the reports were coming in and would have been even moreso had I known it was other areas too, regardless of which candidate is favored in an area). It's also probably true that this was because Bernie won (but not that he won because of it as I think you imply).

- To answer your question: As much as I hate hate hate this Republican voter suppression, it can at least theoretically be explained as incompetence instead of outright fraud. Again, don't get me wrong, it could've been intentional and even if incompetence it is INEXCUSABLE -- as I said I was very angry then (you should see my FB post about it) and am even angrier now. Having voter registrations misreporting, and all in one direction, is much harder to explain away as incompetence.

- Lastly, thank you for making me go do this -- I learned some things. I didn't realize areas other than Kent County had been affected. I thought this was something that affected Bernie more, now I think it was probably about equal. Just makes me even angrier about it!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to a2liberal (Reply #55)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:09 AM

100. My point was that the problems were mostly where voters were

mostly Democratic voters, rather than just Hillary or Bernie voters. I blame our Republican S.O.S., who was either malignantly incompetent, or deliberately attempting to suppress the vote. Personally, I think it's the latter. And, like you, I'm still angry - about so many voters being disenfranchised. But, I guess we can't expect anything better from the Snyder administration....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:46 PM

49. What's the problem? A few irregularities here and there ---

 

After all, we need Hillary to win, don't we?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:47 PM

51. Same old same old U.S. election fraud. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:56 PM

52. Every time I see posts like this after Bernie loses

I start hearing the X Files theme

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to redstateblues (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:45 PM

57. The Truth is Out There!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to redstateblues (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:35 AM

69. I'm sure it's just a coincidence

but this guy oversees elections in Arizona:



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to deutsey (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:10 AM

72. LOL

 

The smoking man...is he holding the smoking gun?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to redstateblues (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:54 PM

117. Did you also hear it when Dems lost to Republicans for election fraud?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:12 PM

53. Every time this happens it seems to be bad for those on the political left.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:38 AM

84. As Val above said, Same old U.S. Election fraud, plus suppression of vote.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:37 PM

56. We just got done voting

4 hours and they told my son he had not indicated a party affiliation when he registered, which is crap

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:46 PM

58. Atrocious! 200 polling places reduced to SIXTY??? WTF?

This is unbelievable! In 2016, with all the shit about voter suppression...this kind of crap can be allowed to happen? Disgraceful!!!

People stood in lines for over three hours....to fucking vote? Dear God, we are one fucked up democracy! Totally fucked up!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hulk (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:27 AM

77. They have doing that in all red states. Here in Indiana I now have to travel 20 miles to vote,

 

when I use to vote less than 2 miles from home.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to B Calm (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:56 PM

118. That's infuriating!

When the US talks about spreading democracy I wish they were talking about amongst our states!

.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:15 AM

60. We are a banana republic

 

without the bananas.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:18 AM

61. Today was not a Primary

It was a Presidential Presidential election for registered Dems, Repubs, and Green party. Not to be confused with the primary for local candidates to be held in Aug.
People can check the status of their provisional ballots here:
https://voter.azsos.gov/VoterView/ProvisionalBallotSearch.do

For more info. https://voter.azsos.gov/VoterView/Home.do

I requested and voted by mail as did most people I know. No problem.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:35 AM

63. Kick and R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BeanMusical (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:43 AM

85. was wonding when I would see her on here portrayed as Tricky Dick.

The comparison is apropos, me thinks.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:43 AM

64. Intentional sabotage? Just before Clinton claims victory?

 

The pattern is becoming way too obvious.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:27 AM

66. Maricopa County Recorder...

... Helen Purcell. This is the culprit, right here.



No, it wasn't a 'disaster', or a 'mistake'... closing all those polling places was done deliberately to disenfranchise the working class & Latino vote. (i.e., Bernie's base) And this woman knows it.




Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:29 AM

67. Disgusting

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:33 AM

68. Our Voting Procedures Are A Joke

The Right likes to yell voter fraud but the real potential fraud is in our rag tag system.

There are easy ways to make voting trustworthy but apparently nobody want it enough to move toward it.

Avoid provisional ballots if you can, they are often not counted, lost, or thrown away.

Two recent votes seem more than suspect, the Kentucky governors race and the Ohio pot vote. The results were seriously different than the pre ballot polling. Just like Bush-Kerry 2004.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:17 AM

73. Not true. Just about as many people voted in Arizona's primaries yesterday as voted in previous....

....primary votes (better format at the link):

http://www.azsos.gov/elections/voter-registration-historical-election-data

933,000 voted yesterday.

Primary Election Information
2000-2014

Election Year Registered Voters Ballots Cast Voter Turnout (%)

2014 3,247,146 877,270 27.02
2012 3,100,575 870,875 28.09
2010 3,102,876 933,650 30.09
2008 2,799,390 638,348 22.80
2006 2,533,308 584,526 23.07
2004 2,440,144 602,888 24.71
2002 2,207,450 557,437 25.25
2000 2,042,462 486,836 23.84
1998 1,921,565 377,855 19.66

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:34 AM

82. So you're content with that?

There should be higher voter turnout this year, but past data is enough for you to conclusively say that this is okay?

You really think, this year of all years is supposed to have average voter turnout?

we break records everywhere else, but when it comes to Arizona... average is expected?

no.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to retrowire (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:56 AM

89. What I'm "content" with is that there wasn't wide-spread, rampant voter suppression. There is....

...an OP here claiming that 1.2 million voters were "turned away". That is patently false. If they all voted, there would have been about 2.2M voters in the primary yesterday, just about equal to the highest turnout in any general election in Arizona.

People have to look at things realistically, instead panicking about "voter suprression".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #89)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:45 PM

119. On the basis of one OP here you are able to establish that

there wasn't wide-spread, rampant voter suppression.

Very well...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #119)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:04 PM

125. Considering that the overall turnout was very close to an all-time record in Arizona........

.........there couldn't have been wide-spread rampant voter suppression.

Plus, the current registration numbers of Democrats in Arizona belies the Sanders claim that "we're energizing" voters and getting new voters to register.

State-wide voter registration is up less than 20,000 compared to 2014, 3.254M vs. 3.235M.

http://www.azsos.gov/elections/voter-registration-historical-election-data

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #125)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:42 PM

130. But isn"t that precisely the point?

Those numbers in the database(s) used in these polls appear to be missing some people who thought they had registered (and some have documentation to prove it), so the "official" numbers, as you point out, have little changed.

Certainly there appears to a hue-and-cry about it, people & the party are lawyering up...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #130)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:51 PM

131. The Arizona registered voter numbers include registered Independents, who were not permitted...

...to vote yesterday.

It appears that most of the complaints by "voters" could have been resolved by those voters to educate themselves.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #131)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:15 PM

132. Yeah. I wonder how many first-time voters, perhaps only recently moved to want to vote,

are finding themselves unable to do so for reasons similar to this, or for reasons of incompetence or worse on the part of officials.

Thanks for the discussion and info, George II.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #132)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:34 PM

137. I've lived in 4 states, and one of the first things I did each time I moved was find out....

....where I could register and when I needed to do it.

If someone isn't able to vote in situations like this, it's their own fault or, even worse, the fault of the campaign of the candidate for which they want to vote. THAT is what the well ballyhooed concept of "grass roots" is. It's not the obligation of officials to make sure people register.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:44 AM

94. Unless there are a lot of new voters coming in to vote, likely for Bernie, and could not. Then this

 

count is meaningless as to the intended voters who could not vote..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FighttheFuture (Reply #94)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:52 AM

96. Check that link again - it has 2016 registered voters AND those from previous even number years...

...there are a mere 17,000 more registered voters this year than 2014, and they're probably divided between republican, Democrat, and Independent. Certainly not "a lot of new voters".

That also disproves Sanders' claim that he's "energizing" lots of new voters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:23 AM

76. Bernie supporters were concened their data base for AZ was hacked.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:29 AM

78. You know they hacked it. Why not? All the more reason to

Start thinking ahead and preserving the networks we gave right now. Build our own damn database. I know we gave folks who could do this out there. Build our movement.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:45 AM

86. Arizona- disenfranchises their primary by limiting people to political party on their registration.

Limiting their state to only 60! places to vote excludes more voters.

Arizona also has constant "Border" (immigration, papers please) stops on all their highways, that also keeps people from traveling very far.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sunlei (Reply #86)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:23 PM

108. And it enfranchises people by providing for early voting and mail-in voting

And, no, the state was not limited to 60 polling places: one county - albeit the largest one in terms of population - consolidated its polling places. Why, I don't know: maybe some had so few voters previously that it wasn't feasible staffing for an expected similar turnout (my consistently Democratic-voting county did that when mail-in ballots became more popular). I approve of the notion that one can vote anywhere in the county rather than at a specific polling place: it gives people more options. Implementation seems to have had some problems, but I'd like to see an analysis on why after the dust settles.

I wonder if, on the GOP equivalent of DU is full of Cruz or Rubio supporters claiming that the game is fixed for Trump.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:49 AM

87. White House Petition for Investigation of AZ Voter/Election Fraud

has already been started. 34,000 signatures already (of 100,000 needed)

[link:https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-voter-fraud-and-voter-suppression-arizona-3222016-democratic-party|

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #87)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:15 PM

107. Done, thanks 4 link, 48000+ signers,

...almost half way there. Thanks again for link.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #87)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:59 PM

114. White House Petition for Investigation of AZ Voter/Election Fraud

Thanks for the link...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:13 AM

91. The trick is making it harder for Ds to vote in the primary

but having it disadvantage only Bernie's supporters while helping Hillary cheat.

One would think that fewer polling places would effect Hill and Bernie voters equally. But somehow the Rs who run AZ's primaries found a way for it to only hurt Bernie.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to stopbush (Reply #91)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:53 PM

121. Are you saying that in AZ where an (I) seeks to change to (D)

prior to a primary, presidential preference election or general election, it is going to be an (R) that administers or oversees that process?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #121)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:55 PM

122. No.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to stopbush (Reply #122)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:00 PM

124. Ok. You said (R)s run AZ's primaries.

They run the primaries but others do the work; I guess that's it, then.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:31 AM

92. Of course this shit was intentional....

It was a design feature, not an unexpected result.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:59 AM

97. if the GOP ran state of Arizona ...

Really wanted to mess up the Dems, that's help Bernie.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:00 AM

98. For all the Clinton supporters defending this incompetence - or 'whatever' it was

that excluded so many voters - did you defend Bush's 'win' the same way?

The catty insults and smarmy replies say everything.

I can't believe how hypocritical this all is.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:12 AM

101. Brian Sanderoff, political consultant in NM, says Hilary wins here. The primary is not until June!

Sanders campaign: expect dirty tricks in New Mexico.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:42 AM

103. According to this only 20 people called and complained about not being allowed to vote

http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/ariz-democratic-party-to-investigate-after-voters-told-theyre-not-eligible/96906041

Is there any evidence this was a widespread problem? Because 20 people is an statistically insignificant number

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:44 AM

104. USuncut is ran by BernieBros...

 

In 2015 and 2016, US Uncut began posting articles in support of Bernie Sanders to the exclusion of other and/or at odds with candidates.

On February 24, 2016, US Uncut published an article with the headline that claimed it was "stunning" that Bernie Sanders led nationally by 6 percent in a Reuters National Poll, when the national polls from the same day at the nonpartisan fivethirtyeight.com had Clinton at 49.1% and Sanders at 39.4%.[11][12]

It is the lefts Fox News. WTG.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:04 PM

105. I was wondering

what benefit would it be for Republicans to suppress the vote in a Democratic Primary?

The answer is that it wouldn't.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #105)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:51 PM

120. they'll get to oppose the candidate that people won't stand in line to vote for

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MisterP (Reply #120)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:18 PM

127. That doesn't make any sense

The one that people will stand in line to vote for wins. The one people won't stand in line to vote for loses. They oppose the winner not the loser.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #127)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:20 PM

128. people stand in line for Sanders, and mail-in early for Clinton

Sanders motivates people so they're doing everything to hit election day

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MisterP (Reply #128)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:33 PM

129. Well..

It seems not enough of them did or he would have won. I'm not saying that because I'm a Hillary supporter, because I'm not.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:26 PM

112. This is what it will look like in November no matter who the Democratic nominee is.

It is called voter suppression and has many different methods. By any means they can things are done to remove or dislocate democratic voters from the correct precinct rolls forcing them to become provisional voters. We've already had it in NC and it is NOT pretty.

This will affect all the Democratic votes cast in the general for ANY Democratic candidates in AZ and elsewhere. While you can be certain that anyone voting Republican will be treated like the prodigal son.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:10 PM

115. will there be attacks on counting fraud by the GOP?

will the GOP give a shit? unlikely.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:58 PM

123. Kick!

Great post,Mira.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:11 PM

126. No there isn't. A woman is being nominated. That's all that matters. nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:37 PM

133. Report Voter Fraud and Suppression

If you are a victim of voter fraud or voter suppression CALL The Federal Election Commission @ 202-694-1000 to report your account. An effort to revote in Arizona is being advanced.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:56 PM

134. Sign 2 Petitions for Voter Fraud and Suppression

We the people has 2 Petitions going to the White House regarding the AZ voter fraud and suppression in AZ that calls for an investigation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to onogirl (Reply #134)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:46 PM

140. I think this is what you're looking for:

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread