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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:52 PM Mar 2016

Remote Irish island seeks Americans fleeing Donald Trump presidency

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Remote-Irish-island-seeks-Americans-fleeing-Donald-Trump-presidency.html

American citizens, who are terrified at the prospect of Donald Trump becoming the next President, have been urged to consider relocating to one of Ireland's remotest islands.

Inishturk, off Co. Mayo, has seen its once thriving population plummet to just 58, with only three pupils attending the local primary school.

The dwindling community's leaders are desperately trying to entice families to move over to breathe new life into the isolated outpost and secure its future.

And they stressed their tranquil isle, located nine miles off the coast, could make the ideal permanent refuge for those who cannot face life in a United States headed by Donald Trump.


This way we don't all have to pile onto Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia.

http://www.cbiftrumpwins.com
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Remote Irish island seeks Americans fleeing Donald Trump presidency (Original Post) KamaAina Mar 2016 OP
I have Irish heretige...I hated the outter banks of NC angstlessk Mar 2016 #1
maybe not on one of the islands dorkzilla Mar 2016 #10
My mother's grand parents were from Ireland angstlessk Mar 2016 #12
Unless your mom and one of her parents registered as a "foreign birth" you're out of luck dorkzilla Mar 2016 #13
Besides Africa, that is the only other country I ever wanted to visit angstlessk Mar 2016 #17
Been going since I was a kid dorkzilla Mar 2016 #20
Lucky indeed...you got a shamrock hidden somewhere? angstlessk Mar 2016 #23
It was definitely a NY Irish thing (Boston too) dorkzilla Mar 2016 #30
But being all growed up angstlessk Mar 2016 #33
Camp....lovely memories eh? a kennedy Mar 2016 #103
I thought you could do the foreign birth registration retroactively KamaAina Mar 2016 #25
Not if you are a great-grandchild dorkzilla Mar 2016 #29
Follow-up question (seeking more free advice) Jim Lane Mar 2016 #89
You're not out of luck! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #93
Wow, that's great, thanks! Jim Lane Mar 2016 #101
It's never a bad idea to have options! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #102
Maybe I can get to Germany that way. eilen Mar 2016 #111
It's odd, that depends on what year you were born dorkzilla Mar 2016 #112
Odd indeed dorkzilla Mar 2016 #114
Hmmm, there is a grey area.... eilen Mar 2016 #139
Interesting story! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #140
Me sainted grandma Catherine came to Baltimore from County Mayo KamaAina Mar 2016 #14
Then you're probably eligible for Irish Citizenship dorkzilla Mar 2016 #21
Don't know the exact village KamaAina Mar 2016 #22
The ones where you can see the join? dorkzilla Mar 2016 #27
Grandma (not the Irish one) and Grandpa spent their declining years spotting rugs KamaAina Mar 2016 #31
We must be cousins :) dorkzilla Mar 2016 #32
Me great grandparents on both sides mcar Mar 2016 #47
As did my great grandmother! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #118
dorkzilla, let's run away together. Just you, me and Django's youtube videos. merrily Mar 2016 #54
Let's dooooooo eeeeeeet! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #55
How did you know? He loves him some wine, but he got stuck with me. merrily Mar 2016 #61
LOL! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #64
Oh, crap. merrily Mar 2016 #67
Yes, wine in pubs! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #69
I'm a happy teetotaler, a suffering drinker. My head all but splits open. In fact, I start wishing merrily Mar 2016 #71
Lol that's totally the way it was (boiled meat) but hasn't been for a while now dorkzilla Mar 2016 #72
I still haven't decided about the note. I'm getting that you don't want to share your husband, tho merrily Mar 2016 #73
I love you SO MUCH! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #74
You're laughing at my ability to hook up in Ireland? merrily Mar 2016 #76
You are a fine pate, not chopped livah dorkzilla Mar 2016 #78
Being merrily the only thing at which I succeed on every try. merrily Mar 2016 #79
Nighty night! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #80
Your husband told me, or I snuck into your bedroom, or merrily Mar 2016 #131
I thought as much dorkzilla Mar 2016 #134
Of course not! merrily Mar 2016 #135
I dunno...I do sometimes, when I'm really tired dorkzilla Mar 2016 #136
Nite. merrily Mar 2016 #138
If I show up Aerows Mar 2016 #84
Hear hear dorkzilla Mar 2016 #94
Apparently there are intertubes out there KamaAina Mar 2016 #123
Well that does it then! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #125
ja awb003 Mar 2016 #41
I live in Ireland EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #51
I'll second that! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #59
Anywhere near the coast is amazing. EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #62
I think I may try the Wicklow Mountains out too dorkzilla Mar 2016 #65
The Wicklow Mountains EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #90
You're a man after my own heart dorkzilla Mar 2016 #95
indeed EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #97
My cousins all live in Bray. I'll start my search there but my hearts in the Islands riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #66
Yes!! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #70
Bray is fine EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #91
And then some Americans came and wired the place up. Aerows Mar 2016 #85
Oh a WET ROCK underpants Mar 2016 #122
Well EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #124
He wins, I'm moving to the land of my ancestors. Ireland..... This sounds wonderful. a kennedy Mar 2016 #2
do they have a Starbucks? Enrique Mar 2016 #3
Maybe you could open your own coffee shop. surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #5
i'll think about it Enrique Mar 2016 #7
I doubt it would do much business KamaAina Mar 2016 #15
That depends on how many Americans wind up there. surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #18
Americans will want coffee. Kittycat Mar 2016 #44
I'm a tea fiend, myself. n/t Aerows Mar 2016 #86
Just next door to Craggy Island MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #4
Have a nice cuppa tea. Go on. dorkzilla Mar 2016 #6
and sandwiches eShirl Mar 2016 #100
My favorite dorkzilla Mar 2016 #110
my favorite Father Jack line eShirl Mar 2016 #132
That is the best line of the whole series! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #133
Oh, god, that show is piss-your-pants funny! nt valerief Mar 2016 #28
DRINK! pa28 Mar 2016 #52
GIRLS! FECK! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #56
Too funny!! I immediately thought of Craggy Island! CrawlingChaos Mar 2016 #96
I'm already WAAAAAAY ahead of them on this one dorkzilla Mar 2016 #8
Does that apply to the yucky white condiment as well? KamaAina Mar 2016 #16
Nah, just the County dorkzilla Mar 2016 #19
Thanks for the information! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #88
A pipe! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #99
I was fortunate to know my great aunts and uncles who lived the longest Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #105
Nine miles off the *west* coast. Marr Mar 2016 #9
If they employ Physician Assistants (I know Scotland does...) Aristus Mar 2016 #11
Okay, here's the rundown KamaAina Mar 2016 #24
Would be a lovely place to shanti Mar 2016 #26
I bet they don't like outsiders angstlessk Mar 2016 #35
And again, KamaAina Mar 2016 #53
Is Luke Skywalker hiding out there? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #81
ha EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #92
Mayo, God help us. AngryAmish Mar 2016 #34
Visited the islands a decade ago. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #36
Looks pretty desolate to me. I don't know if that is at all practical. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #37
My dream retirement... riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #38
Beautiful! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #50
Yup, I'm going to be the old curmudgeon returned home riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #58
It's really gorgeous! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #63
The thing that many Americans don't get is that closeupready Mar 2016 #39
I live in WV... a la izquierda Mar 2016 #45
I always take it with a grain of salt when I hear someone razorman Mar 2016 #40
Tempting.... ChazInAz Mar 2016 #42
The nearest town on the mainland does KamaAina Mar 2016 #60
I'm third generation and very proud of my Irish heritage. a la izquierda Mar 2016 #43
Irish American here mcar Mar 2016 #46
I will never flee my country Skittles Mar 2016 #48
Been there. tavernier Mar 2016 #49
Learn this song... KansDem Mar 2016 #57
Party in Ireland! There will be plenty of whisky for all! Initech Mar 2016 #68
I spent a year on a Lighthouse when I was in the Coast Guard, yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2016 #75
Makes me want to look for a pretty Irish girl that will marry me. forest444 Mar 2016 #77
I just found out 2 weeks ago awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #82
My Nigerian friend recommended ghana gwheezie Mar 2016 #83
How to make a living there, though? Turborama Mar 2016 #87
Run a B&B? KamaAina Mar 2016 #104
Cape Breton island where '“Muslim people can roam freely,” and “nobody has a hand gun.”' pampango Mar 2016 #98
If I emigrate there geardaddy Mar 2016 #106
Why wait? dorkzilla Mar 2016 #113
So true! geardaddy Mar 2016 #115
if you have an iphone or an ipad you can download the app dorkzilla Mar 2016 #116
I have the one for Welsh, which just came out recently. geardaddy Mar 2016 #117
It is frustrating dorkzilla Mar 2016 #119
Diolch! geardaddy Mar 2016 #121
Can I bring my cats? nt joeybee12 Mar 2016 #107
Yes! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #126
Thanks... joeybee12 Mar 2016 #127
Mine too dorkzilla Mar 2016 #128
True, just in case one tries to go exploring sometime joeybee12 Mar 2016 #129
Yep! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #130
Bookmarking, just in case. 3catwoman3 Mar 2016 #108
What we need is place for Trump supporters to go when he loses ThoughtCriminal Mar 2016 #109
I'd rather see Donald Trump sent to a remote island. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2016 #120
If a remote island near Island is good enough for Luke Skywalker... 47of74 Mar 2016 #137

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
1. I have Irish heretige...I hated the outter banks of NC
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

but I think I could love me some Irish Island!

I do bookkeeping on line...hope they have internets?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
10. maybe not on one of the islands
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

Its VERY VERY VERY secluded. And wonderful. But I don't think they're wired, and if they are it's probably really limited.

Depending on how far back your heritage goes, you may be eligible for Irish citizenship anyway. If that's the case, consider Ennis, in County Clare. The whole town was wired for internet there WAY before anyone else. It's also really close to Shannon Airport.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
12. My mother's grand parents were from Ireland
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

And she lived an Irish life in NY. She used to tell us ghost stories straight from Ireland...

She always wanted to go to Ireland to visit her relatives, but we never had enough money!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
13. Unless your mom and one of her parents registered as a "foreign birth" you're out of luck
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

But I encourage you to go and visit. It's a truly magical place.

My mother still tells me ghost stories from her town. Used to scare the bejeezus out of me, but now I just give her the one-eyebrow look and she starts laughing about how sucked in I got as a kid.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
17. Besides Africa, that is the only other country I ever wanted to visit
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

I am not a traveler...I like my home. I would have to win a lottery to travel to where I want. Otherwise I am stuck in good ole USA.

I do not make yearly what is required to become a citizen...so I'm outta luck!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
20. Been going since I was a kid
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

I think it was really part of being the child of an Irish immigrant; at the end of every school year there we'd all be, at JFK airport, ready to be shipped off to Ireland again for the summer. And we were not wealthy, but everyone in the family chipped in to get us "home". And it was just the kids, the parents stayed behind.

We were very lucky children.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
23. Lucky indeed...you got a shamrock hidden somewhere?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016

What a great childhood...I went to Camp Matoaka for the summer

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
30. It was definitely a NY Irish thing (Boston too)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

Us "refugees" really thought you lot had it much better--where I was from only the rich kids went to summer camp. It was much much cheaper to stick your kid on a charter flight and let your Aunties fuss over her than to send her to camp!

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
33. But being all growed up
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:52 PM
Mar 2016

Now I know you had it better...I only cried the first week...and had to poop in an outhouse that had some sort of slugs at night time...

Then got to canoe once...and try my ability as an archer, only to bruise my elbow..

Then I gave my smelling salts to another camper who used them for 'fun' and I got blamed, and sat in a bunker for a day...yes 'lucky' me!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
29. Not if you are a great-grandchild
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

You would have had to have had your parent register as a foreign birth. If you're like me and the child of an Irish-born parent, you ARE an Irish Citizen. No need to register (I'm getting an Irish passport which is why I got the paperwork together). In your case, the grandchild of a native born Irish Citizen, you could register - you'll need a lot of paperwork but its definitely worth it.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
89. Follow-up question (seeking more free advice)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:52 AM
Mar 2016

Three of my grandparents were born in Ireland, but both parents were born in the U.S. All these people are now deceased. If anybody did any kind of registration, I never heard about it and certainly have no paperwork about it now. Am I:
* completely out of luck?
* some chance of success?
* probable success provided I do a lot of work?

I'm not really planning to flee a Trump presidency but at some point I'll be looking for a place to retire to. My income won't be huge so I've been thinking about leaving the U.S. to go someplace with lower cost of living.

Thanks for any info you can give!


dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
93. You're not out of luck!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:05 AM
Mar 2016

You should pick one grandparent and start collecting all their paperwork...birth cert, marriage license, your parent's birth cert, yours, and maybe your parent's marriage license. Most of this is available on line.

As I've said to others, it's an effort to get everything together but I think it's better to have the option. Here's the thing...you then have the ability to live and work in ANY EU nation. Spain and Portugal are extremely attractive retirement places, not just Ireland.

Here's the link you need - http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP11000024


 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
101. Wow, that's great, thanks!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:52 AM
Mar 2016

I'd forgotten about the EU angle. Although I have a sentimental attachment to Ireland, from what little I've read I have the impression that it's a comparatively expensive place to retire unless you're out in the very rural areas. Using my Co. Kerry connections as an entree to the other EU countries hadn't occurred to me. That opens up, if not exactly a whole world of options, at least a whole (well, almost a whole) continent of options.

I should start trying to assemble the paperwork now, and avoid the November rush. I hope there won't be a November rush, but I wouldn't put it past the voters to nominate and then elect Trump.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
102. It's never a bad idea to have options!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:23 AM
Mar 2016

Ireland can be expensive but I suppose it depends on where you live now. I'm in Westchester County, NY so pretty much everything short of London and Dublin is more affordable.

The documents cost €20 each but I'm not sure if or how much they'll add on top of that to get you the documents you require on line (I'm assuming there are fees). Make sure you're getting the official documents and not just something you'd use for genealogy purposes (i.e. you'll need the original long-form birth certs for example). Of course *I* would use the document gathering phase as an excuse to go to Kerry and get them all at once but that's just me. Any excuse to go there too good of an excuse to pass up.

Happy document hunting!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
112. It's odd, that depends on what year you were born
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

I will try and find the link for Germany, but I think if you were born before 70 (?) you can claim citizenship if your father is from there or some weird stuff. I can't recall but I'll see what I can dig up.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
139. Hmmm, there is a grey area....
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

My mother was born in Germany and came here at 6 or 7 after the war-- around 1950, technically a German citizen. Her parents obtained citizenship for themselves but not her (she did not know this). She married an American and I was born in 1965. She found out in the 1980s that she did not have American citizenship, right around the time the Berlin Wall came down. Her (birth) father was behind it (in DDR). The German ambassador told her she did not have German citizenship either (although I don't know how they could have taken it away from her)-- I assume because she was born in a village south of Berlin which at the time was part of the DDR? Her stepfather had to adopt her to bring her to this country.

Of course, I don't know the German language but I suppose I could learn it ....

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
140. Interesting story!
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

Worth a call/letter to the German embassy for clarification.

I, too, was born in 1965. Hello fellow baby-buster!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
14. Me sainted grandma Catherine came to Baltimore from County Mayo
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:49 PM
Mar 2016

which, as it happens, is where Inishturk is!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
21. Then you're probably eligible for Irish Citizenship
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

and since it sounds like you know where your Irish granny is from it will be easy enough for you to get your hands on her birth cert and other papers you would need.

Couldn't hurt to have it, just in case!

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/inis/pages/wp11000024

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
22. Don't know the exact village
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

but her maiden name was Nevins. In fact, that's how I know about County Mayo: I saw a map of Ireland with many Irish surnames placed by county one day while waiting in line at an Irish restaurant in Norwalk, Conn., behind a guy with an obvious rug.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
27. The ones where you can see the join?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

My dad and I love people-watching, and we play "spot the bad toupee" game often. Let your beautiful bald head shine, gents!!! Do you think Patrick Stewart would have gotten ahead if he'd worn a rug? Get it, ahead?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
31. Grandma (not the Irish one) and Grandpa spent their declining years spotting rugs
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:44 PM
Mar 2016

Grandpa: (while watching the news) "Now you know that's a rug!" Grandma: "Most of them do." Grandma was convinced that Bill Clinton had one! So I'm a third-generation rugspotter!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
32. We must be cousins :)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:45 PM
Mar 2016

Irish rugspotters UNITE!!!!!

EDIT - DUH - you said non-Irish. My dad isn't the Irish parent, so maybe we're still cousins.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. dorkzilla, let's run away together. Just you, me and Django's youtube videos.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

If they don't have internet, we'll buy his cds. I have no Irish heritage that I know of, so you'll have to sneak me in.

My husband has to travel a lot, so he may not even notice right away.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
55. Let's dooooooo eeeeeeet!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

I have lots of his cds...actually I have everything he's ever recorded. And I have FOUR Kindles so I'm ready! My hubby would notice. Can we bring him along? And leave a note for yours..."gone to Ireland, come and bring more wine".

merrily

(45,251 posts)
61. How did you know? He loves him some wine, but he got stuck with me.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:48 PM
Mar 2016

I once remarked I was a cheap date (because I don't drink). He replied, "You're a cheap drunk, but you're not a cheap date."

I think he was insinuating I order the expensive stuff on the menu, or too much of it, or something. Whatever he meant by that crack, he had some nerve!

Remind me, why am I leaving him a note again?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
64. LOL!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

You told me about the wine lassy, as I'm a fellow wino. Or used to be.

When I was back there last week I was at the pub with my family every night. That's what shandy is good for because if you think your gonna go home after a glass of wine you're daft.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
67. Oh, crap.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:19 PM
Mar 2016

Me and my big mouth keyboard. At least he says nothing about it.

I used to date someone who was also very knowledgeable about wine, but he would let you and the sommelier or waiter know it. (God forbid anyone suggested a wine or seemed about to.)

At some point, I noticed that he no longer does that. When I asked, he said, "My wife convinced me that I was even more obnoxious about wine than I am about everything else." Some women marry a DIY project and do very well with it. The only renovating I enjoy is homes.

Drinking wine in Ireland's pubs, now is it? Not beer?

I would go home with no glass of wine. Or shandy. Alcohol and pot are not my friends. Husband can put away a fair amount with visible signs of intoxication. I have never heard him slur his speech, even a little, or get loud or stumble, etc. I seem drunk when I teetotal and he seems sober when he's put away quite a few. (I never thought about that before.)

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
69. Yes, wine in pubs!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

The house wines are very good these days, as in England. Guess being in a union with France and Italy helped them "evolve" that way. And actually for some time now the pubs in England and Ireland have phenomenal food (they're referred to as "gastro pubs&quot . I had really great meals every where I went.

I don't drink too much anymore, but I do have a rather large capacity for wine. I like a nice buzz, I confess. I'm a happy drunk, so being in Ireland with family at the pubs was almost too much happiness to handle.

So, when are we leaving?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
71. I'm a happy teetotaler, a suffering drinker. My head all but splits open. In fact, I start wishing
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

it would split open. Then, maybe the headache could escape. I never get a buzz. Not from alcohol, not from pot. No clue why. Not complaining. To the contrary, I'm thrilled. If I could do controlled substances, I would probably become an addict, fast. I fit the profile.

I went to college with a woman whose mum was English or had English parents. I've forgotten which. Of her mum's cooking, she said, "My mother can make any dish, as long as it's some kind of boiled meat. She had me in stitches often. Once, the group was talking about how to discourage a break in. She said, "My parents leave the door wide open. If anyone came in, they'd leave something."

College sardonics. Gotta love 'em.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
72. Lol that's totally the way it was (boiled meat) but hasn't been for a while now
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016

You and my husband sound like twins as far as booze and pot (I can't do that either, it makes me horribly paranoid). So your husband and I can drink and you and my hubster can be the DDs! WINNING! Duh!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
73. I still haven't decided about the note. I'm getting that you don't want to share your husband, tho
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

Did you ever watch P.S. I Love You?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0431308/

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
74. I love you SO MUCH!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

You're so wonderfully silly that I just woke up my dear husband because I'm laughing so hard I shook the bed.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
76. You're laughing at my ability to hook up in Ireland?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:24 PM
Mar 2016

If Hillary Swank managed it, what am I, chopped liver?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
79. Being merrily the only thing at which I succeed on every try.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:34 PM
Mar 2016

I think I am going to join your husband in bed now. Have lavender-scented dreams, dear dorkzilla.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
131. Your husband told me, or I snuck into your bedroom, or
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

I read that lavender is supposed to make us sleep better and I keep a bowl of dried lavender at my bedside, maybe rubbing some of it together to release the scent. (Not as wet as spraying the pillow.)

Of those three, the only plausible one is: I snuck into your bedroom.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
136. I dunno...I do sometimes, when I'm really tired
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

Like right now. I'm going to sleep through the returns. Can't take the stress.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. If I show up
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:50 AM
Mar 2016

the very first thing I will do is get us wired the hell up.

In fact, I might look into it anyhow as a business venture.

I want to live in a place devoid of people, because most of them suck.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
94. Hear hear
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:13 AM
Mar 2016

I TOTALLY know what you mean. I happen to love very rural Ireland so you'll get no opposition from me there. I'm just generally too fatigued to get into my car and drive to the supermarket with the MS on many days, I'm sure as hell not going to drive to a ferry and go to the mainland to get provisions. Fuuuuuuck that! I need a Tesco or Dunne's within a 20 minute drive.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
51. I live in Ireland
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

And unless you wanna live on an isolated wet rock with no employment opportunities, think twice.

It's funny but... There's thousands of nicer places to live in Ireland.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
59. I'll second that!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

I'll happily move there but not anywhere you'd need a ferry. I'm looking at a summer rental in Wexford to figure out where I'm going to hang my hat for good.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
62. Anywhere near the coast is amazing.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016

The interior.... Well there's some nice places but none I'd live in. I live in Dublin but have been all over. I've been here full time for almost 9 years. And part time for 3 years before that. And visited twice in the 2 years before that. Lol.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
65. I think I may try the Wicklow Mountains out too
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

It just the hubster and meself, and for the next few years it will probably be just summers. I'm looking forward to it...partly because I can get back and forth to family and friends in England easily too. I took a flight from Northampton to Dublin...£29 and less than an hour! I'd love to live in England too, but I don't think I can afford it as easily as Ireland.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
97. indeed
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:47 AM
Mar 2016

I shot a music video up in the Sally Gap a few years ago... people always think it has been messed with, because it looks kinda impossibly beautiful... love that area.... South Dublin (I live in Rathfarnham) and Wicklow are amazing.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
66. My cousins all live in Bray. I'll start my search there but my hearts in the Islands
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure I can't live in the city even though I love visiting Dublin.

30 years living rural in America and I know I'm only content with quiet and no neighbors.

Maybe an Irish DU meet-up in the future?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
70. Yes!!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

I've lived around NYC my whole life, and I would be happiest in a walking village, but rural suits me fine as well. Dublin is gorgeous but it's gotten nearly as expensive as London with all the American tech companies that moved in. Nice place to visit-especially on Blooms Day!

A meet up would be awesome!

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
91. Bray is fine
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:50 AM
Mar 2016

There's parts of Dublin that are a LOT less city than other parts... like even the mountains between south dublin and Wicklow... that's basically rural and isolated, with amazing views, but also not a million miles away from the city for convenience...

surrealAmerican

(11,340 posts)
5. Maybe you could open your own coffee shop.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:12 PM
Mar 2016

Come on, didn't you always want to run a coffee shop on a small island in Ireland?

I'd be happy to stop in for a cup at "Enrique's".

surrealAmerican

(11,340 posts)
18. That depends on how many Americans wind up there.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

Most of the coffee shops I go to also offer tea, some even have cocoa.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
44. Americans will want coffee.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

Extra goat milk

Nice egg sandwiches and an oatmeal bar in the morning. Vegan bean chili and tomato bisque or potato soup in the afternoon. close up before the kids get home. Maybe open on Saturday for market and serve fried bread with local honey, custard.

I haven't thought about this at all.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
133. That is the best line of the whole series!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

What do you say to a nice cup of tea?

Feckin priceless.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
96. Too funny!! I immediately thought of Craggy Island!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:21 AM
Mar 2016

Father Ted - easily one of the greatest comedy shows ever

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
8. I'm already WAAAAAAY ahead of them on this one
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

Got all my paperwork for my Irish passport together when I was in Ireland last week. I'll likely end up on the east coast (don't tell the others but its nice and sunny there).

And if you are interested in taking Inishturk up on this offer, you must know rule one...anytime anyone says "Mayo", you are supposed to say "God help us". Some people think it originated with the Famine, others because it's historically been a very poor county, so when people where asked where they were from they'd say "Mayo. God help us.".

Thus concludes our Irish history lesson for this evening. Join me tomorrow when I explain what "up the banner" means.

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
88. Thanks for the information!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:43 AM
Mar 2016

I've been to Ireland twice and just loved it there! My great grandmother was from County Mayo, came here with her family when she was a child, met my great grandfather here. He was from Kilkenny. I never knew her, but I've seen photos. She raised 11 children and from the photos it looks like she may have smoked a pipe. From all accounts, a tough lady...

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
99. A pipe!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:54 AM
Mar 2016

That's amusing...I've seen photos of old women with pipes in their mouths and they always seemed such characters! Don't you wish you could talk with her? I know I would!

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
105. I was fortunate to know my great aunts and uncles who lived the longest
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

And to hear lots of stories and see photographs. My great grandparents raised 11 children, after all. My grandfather was the eldest boy and I never knew him since he died young, at 48, when my Dad was only 12. But my grandmother kept up with the family and the great aunt I knew best was the closest sister in age, died in 1990 at 97. There was one gathering with the entire family present where they took lots of pix, so everyone could have their own, guess they didn't make copies in those days. My Dad had fond memories of his Irish grandfather on the farm, remembers him milking the cows and squirting milk, in turn, into the mouths of the barn cats who gathered, to amuse the children. I wish I had known them, too, pretty remarkable people from all I've heard...

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
9. Nine miles off the *west* coast.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

That would be remote as hell. I'll bet you'd hear a fair amount of Irish Gaelic spoken there.

Well... assuming you heard any speech at all, lol.

Aristus

(66,090 posts)
11. If they employ Physician Assistants (I know Scotland does...)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

then I'm there!

I'm sure they could use good, solid primary care in such a place.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
24. Okay, here's the rundown
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

It's about four and a half square miles and has two settlements, with two abandoned ones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inishturk

The island lies about 15 km (9 mi) off the coast; its highest point reaches 189.3 m (621.1 ft) above sea level. Between Inishturk and Clare Island lies Caher Island. It has a permanent population of 58 people. There are two main settlements, both on the more sheltered eastern end of the island, Ballyheer and Garranty. Bellavaun and Craggy are abandoned settlements.


There are regular ferries to the mainland (it's a tourist attraction), but the pier is about four miles from the nearest town, Louisburgh, with bus service.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
35. I bet they don't like outsiders
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

coming there to make the island un-affordable for the people there!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
53. And again,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016
The dwindling community's leaders are desperately trying to entice families to move over to breathe new life into the isolated outpost and secure its future.


What they don't like outsiders doing is prospecting for gold. Yes, gold!

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-01-14/news/mn-321_1_gold-mining

It looked like dramatic changes could be in store for the islanders when it was announced in November that an exploration company had found substantial gold deposits on Inishturk. The company has applied to the Irish Department of Energy for a license to mine on the island.

However, the 18 families of Inishturk met in the island church and voted 15 to 3 against further prospecting....

Now the island people are determined to force a stop to all further prospecting, and they have told the mining company its employees are no longer welcome.

Irish Minister for Energy Bobby Molloy plans to visit the island to discuss the issue with the people, but so far they are adamant.


They could mine it themselves, placer-style like in California's gold rush if there's a stream nearby, and pay for the whole thing!
 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
34. Mayo, God help us.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

At least Cape Breton has world class golf.

Seriously, a friend of mine owns a gold resort there. The new Coore and Crenshaw opens this year, the second 18. The new Titleist commercial was shot there. In my opinion, the Cliffs course is second to Cypress Point looks wise in North America.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
36. Visited the islands a decade ago.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:02 PM
Mar 2016

Easy ferry to the mainland. Beautiful. Great if you love isolation and water and silence. Hmmm May talk myself into it! I would have to get into a library now and then. Bet all that fresh air and fresh fish would be healthy. Saw some fine dancing and wonderful knitting.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
37. Looks pretty desolate to me. I don't know if that is at all practical.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

Besides Trump is NOT going to be president. We'd better be prepared to come together and elect a Dem folks.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
50. Beautiful!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016

That's my mom's favorite as well. I'm partial to Connemara. When I was a child we were conscripted to gather cut turf in the nearby peat bogs. One of my favorite things is the smell of a good turf fire. sigh...I'm ready to go back now!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
58. Yup, I'm going to be the old curmudgeon returned home
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

too Americanized for the locals but I won't give a damn.

Would love to spend my end years staring at the sea, drinking at the pub in the afternoon, writing, painting. I've always lived rural so now I actually prefer the solitude.

I spotted the GLÒR NA MARA property last time I visited and have been smitten ever since.

If I win the lottery...



dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
63. It's really gorgeous!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

I'm heading back too; it's always been the plan but the timeline has been moved up because the climate is better for my health. All I need is a small place with a sea view, a full library and a good stock of wine, a few cats and dogs and an easy walk to a pub and I'm good. I'll likely end up in the south east or in County Clare, where I have lots of family I'm close to.

I hear you about the Americanized stuff...as long as you're not some bomb-loving ignoramus you'll be fine. My mom has gotten very right wing and stupid since she moved here and my family are not too happy about that. But they're pretty good with American liberals as we tend to understand that we're not the center of the universe and don't want to fight everyone.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
39. The thing that many Americans don't get is that
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

rural Europe can be every bit as boring and claustrophic as, say, West Virginia or North Dakota. It's a nice idea, and if I were younger, I'd think about it, but I'm done with being a gypsy.

On the other hand, if we're talking Schengen visa, I'm in.

a la izquierda

(11,784 posts)
45. I live in WV...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:34 PM
Mar 2016

I'd move out of here without a second thought if I had some better option (and I'm constantly looking). This place is a self-destructing pit of coal.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
40. I always take it with a grain of salt when I hear someone
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:17 PM
Mar 2016

(especially a celebrity) say that they will leave the U.S. if "so-and-so" is elected President. I recall that Alec Baldwin promised to leave if G.W.B. became prez. Still waiting, Alec. Every election, we hear the same sort of shit from people who don't like a particular candidate. There were those who would not stay if Barack Obama were elected. Yet, I do not recall anyone ever actually carrying out the threat. Now it is Trump who pisses them off. Or Hillary. Or whoever. Go ahead, assholes; leave already. You won't be missed.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
60. The nearest town on the mainland does
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisburgh,_County_Mayo#Economy_and_culture

Recently the theatre has received a major boost in the town with the addition of a second drama society. The new group entitled Ceol agus Dramá i gCluain Cearbán (Music and Drama in Louisburgh) formed with a focus on children's theatre and pantomime. They then went on to perform the first ever pantomime in Louisburgh helping to raise over 1,000 euro for the local Order of Malta group. Since the group's inception in 2006 they have produced 4 annual pantos Dick Whittington (2006), Cinderella (2007), Aladdin (2008) and Snow White (2009).


This in a town of 800!

a la izquierda

(11,784 posts)
43. I'm third generation and very proud of my Irish heritage.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

I'll take it. I'll even teach at the school. I need to get the hell out of here for awhile.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
75. I spent a year on a Lighthouse when I was in the Coast Guard,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:18 PM
Mar 2016

so I'm used to isolation and I'm one quarter Irish!

forest444

(5,902 posts)
77. Makes me want to look for a pretty Irish girl that will marry me.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:28 PM
Mar 2016

And then carry out my own corporate inversion to Ireland.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
98. Cape Breton island where '“Muslim people can roam freely,” and “nobody has a hand gun.”'
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:53 AM
Mar 2016

Sounds like a Democrats-only island. Gun control plus no Trump-based Islamophobia. Nice!

geardaddy

(24,924 posts)
106. If I emigrate there
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

the first thing I'll do is sign up for Irish classes. Gotta keep the language going.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
116. if you have an iphone or an ipad you can download the app
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

I've been learning Italian for my next visit. I gave up on the Irish long ago...my gran tried to teach me but I NEVER got it. That came in handy for gran and my mother later on - they could talk about "adult things" in front of me and I was none the wiser.

geardaddy

(24,924 posts)
117. I have the one for Welsh, which just came out recently.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:36 PM
Mar 2016

I'll have to add Irish to my list!

I'm pretty good in Welsh, but the spelling in Irish will kill me. I've looked at the guide to pronouncing it and I'm frustrated. Welsh is very regular and easy once you learn the rules.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
119. It is frustrating
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

all my cousins speak it and say its no big deal but I just never got the hang of it. Maybe I will give it another go.

Kudos for learning Welsh!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
126. Yes!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

They have to be microchipped, rabies vaccinated and "certified" healthy, but yes. In the UK you have to confine them to your house for 3 - 6 months (can't remember) and I think Ireland is the same.

My eyes are going a little wonky right now, but you can read the rules here:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/coming_to_live_in_ireland/bringing_pets_to_ireland.html

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
127. Thanks...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:42 PM
Mar 2016

I chipped them all when they were fixed...probably they're in need of current vacs, but they're inside cats, so I've been lax.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
128. Mine too
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

They are allowed to wonder onto the back deck in the summer if I'm out there but that's as far as they get. I've slacked off with the rabies myself, but we had a rabid fox in the neighborhood so I think I'd better do it, just in case.

3catwoman3

(23,812 posts)
108. Bookmarking, just in case.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

Good question about cats. I can't go anywhere my cats can't go. We are a package deal.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,010 posts)
109. What we need is place for Trump supporters to go when he loses
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

Seriously, they will not be missed. But where?

They need a country with:

1. Open carry firearms galore
2. Strong authoritarian values
3. No feminist, liberal, gay "agenda"
4. The wealthy are worshiped like deities
5. No universal healthcare
6. Lowest wages
7. No profit killing environmental, safety, food regulations
8. Religious intolerance (Christian - sorry, that rules out the obvious places for all the above)

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
137. If a remote island near Island is good enough for Luke Skywalker...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

...then it's certainly good enough for me.

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