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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Remote-Irish-island-seeks-Americans-fleeing-Donald-Trump-presidency.htmlInishturk, off Co. Mayo, has seen its once thriving population plummet to just 58, with only three pupils attending the local primary school.
The dwindling community's leaders are desperately trying to entice families to move over to breathe new life into the isolated outpost and secure its future.
And they stressed their tranquil isle, located nine miles off the coast, could make the ideal permanent refuge for those who cannot face life in a United States headed by Donald Trump.
This way we don't all have to pile onto Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia.
http://www.cbiftrumpwins.com
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)but I think I could love me some Irish Island!
I do bookkeeping on line...hope they have internets?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Its VERY VERY VERY secluded. And wonderful. But I don't think they're wired, and if they are it's probably really limited.
Depending on how far back your heritage goes, you may be eligible for Irish citizenship anyway. If that's the case, consider Ennis, in County Clare. The whole town was wired for internet there WAY before anyone else. It's also really close to Shannon Airport.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)And she lived an Irish life in NY. She used to tell us ghost stories straight from Ireland...
She always wanted to go to Ireland to visit her relatives, but we never had enough money!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)But I encourage you to go and visit. It's a truly magical place.
My mother still tells me ghost stories from her town. Used to scare the bejeezus out of me, but now I just give her the one-eyebrow look and she starts laughing about how sucked in I got as a kid.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)I am not a traveler...I like my home. I would have to win a lottery to travel to where I want. Otherwise I am stuck in good ole USA.
I do not make yearly what is required to become a citizen...so I'm outta luck!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I think it was really part of being the child of an Irish immigrant; at the end of every school year there we'd all be, at JFK airport, ready to be shipped off to Ireland again for the summer. And we were not wealthy, but everyone in the family chipped in to get us "home". And it was just the kids, the parents stayed behind.
We were very lucky children.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)What a great childhood...I went to Camp Matoaka for the summer
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Us "refugees" really thought you lot had it much better--where I was from only the rich kids went to summer camp. It was much much cheaper to stick your kid on a charter flight and let your Aunties fuss over her than to send her to camp!
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Now I know you had it better...I only cried the first week...and had to poop in an outhouse that had some sort of slugs at night time...
Then got to canoe once...and try my ability as an archer, only to bruise my elbow..
Then I gave my smelling salts to another camper who used them for 'fun' and I got blamed, and sat in a bunker for a day...yes 'lucky' me!
a kennedy
(29,462 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)You would have had to have had your parent register as a foreign birth. If you're like me and the child of an Irish-born parent, you ARE an Irish Citizen. No need to register (I'm getting an Irish passport which is why I got the paperwork together). In your case, the grandchild of a native born Irish Citizen, you could register - you'll need a lot of paperwork but its definitely worth it.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Three of my grandparents were born in Ireland, but both parents were born in the U.S. All these people are now deceased. If anybody did any kind of registration, I never heard about it and certainly have no paperwork about it now. Am I:
* completely out of luck?
* some chance of success?
* probable success provided I do a lot of work?
I'm not really planning to flee a Trump presidency but at some point I'll be looking for a place to retire to. My income won't be huge so I've been thinking about leaving the U.S. to go someplace with lower cost of living.
Thanks for any info you can give!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)You should pick one grandparent and start collecting all their paperwork...birth cert, marriage license, your parent's birth cert, yours, and maybe your parent's marriage license. Most of this is available on line.
As I've said to others, it's an effort to get everything together but I think it's better to have the option. Here's the thing...you then have the ability to live and work in ANY EU nation. Spain and Portugal are extremely attractive retirement places, not just Ireland.
Here's the link you need - http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP11000024
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I'd forgotten about the EU angle. Although I have a sentimental attachment to Ireland, from what little I've read I have the impression that it's a comparatively expensive place to retire unless you're out in the very rural areas. Using my Co. Kerry connections as an entree to the other EU countries hadn't occurred to me. That opens up, if not exactly a whole world of options, at least a whole (well, almost a whole) continent of options.
I should start trying to assemble the paperwork now, and avoid the November rush. I hope there won't be a November rush, but I wouldn't put it past the voters to nominate and then elect Trump.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Ireland can be expensive but I suppose it depends on where you live now. I'm in Westchester County, NY so pretty much everything short of London and Dublin is more affordable.
The documents cost 20 each but I'm not sure if or how much they'll add on top of that to get you the documents you require on line (I'm assuming there are fees). Make sure you're getting the official documents and not just something you'd use for genealogy purposes (i.e. you'll need the original long-form birth certs for example). Of course *I* would use the document gathering phase as an excuse to go to Kerry and get them all at once but that's just me. Any excuse to go there too good of an excuse to pass up.
Happy document hunting!
eilen
(4,950 posts)But I have to learn to speak German! Mom was born there.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I will try and find the link for Germany, but I think if you were born before 70 (?) you can claim citizenship if your father is from there or some weird stuff. I can't recall but I'll see what I can dig up.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Dates apply, the sex of your German parent depending on the date of your birth, and you must speak German.
http://www.kanada.diplo.de/Vertretung/kanada/en/02/citizenship/determining__citizenship.html
eilen
(4,950 posts)My mother was born in Germany and came here at 6 or 7 after the war-- around 1950, technically a German citizen. Her parents obtained citizenship for themselves but not her (she did not know this). She married an American and I was born in 1965. She found out in the 1980s that she did not have American citizenship, right around the time the Berlin Wall came down. Her (birth) father was behind it (in DDR). The German ambassador told her she did not have German citizenship either (although I don't know how they could have taken it away from her)-- I assume because she was born in a village south of Berlin which at the time was part of the DDR? Her stepfather had to adopt her to bring her to this country.
Of course, I don't know the German language but I suppose I could learn it ....
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Worth a call/letter to the German embassy for clarification.
I, too, was born in 1965. Hello fellow baby-buster!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)which, as it happens, is where Inishturk is!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)and since it sounds like you know where your Irish granny is from it will be easy enough for you to get your hands on her birth cert and other papers you would need.
Couldn't hurt to have it, just in case!
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/inis/pages/wp11000024
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)but her maiden name was Nevins. In fact, that's how I know about County Mayo: I saw a map of Ireland with many Irish surnames placed by county one day while waiting in line at an Irish restaurant in Norwalk, Conn., behind a guy with an obvious rug.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)My dad and I love people-watching, and we play "spot the bad toupee" game often. Let your beautiful bald head shine, gents!!! Do you think Patrick Stewart would have gotten ahead if he'd worn a rug? Get it, ahead?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Grandpa: (while watching the news) "Now you know that's a rug!" Grandma: "Most of them do." Grandma was convinced that Bill Clinton had one! So I'm a third-generation rugspotter!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Irish rugspotters UNITE!!!!!
EDIT - DUH - you said non-Irish. My dad isn't the Irish parent, so maybe we're still cousins.
mcar
(42,210 posts)Hailed from Mayo.
Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)My great grandfather hailed from Kilkenny, but she met him here...
merrily
(45,251 posts)If they don't have internet, we'll buy his cds. I have no Irish heritage that I know of, so you'll have to sneak me in.
My husband has to travel a lot, so he may not even notice right away.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I have lots of his cds...actually I have everything he's ever recorded. And I have FOUR Kindles so I'm ready! My hubby would notice. Can we bring him along? And leave a note for yours..."gone to Ireland, come and bring more wine".
merrily
(45,251 posts)I once remarked I was a cheap date (because I don't drink). He replied, "You're a cheap drunk, but you're not a cheap date."
I think he was insinuating I order the expensive stuff on the menu, or too much of it, or something. Whatever he meant by that crack, he had some nerve!
Remind me, why am I leaving him a note again?
You told me about the wine lassy, as I'm a fellow wino. Or used to be.
When I was back there last week I was at the pub with my family every night. That's what shandy is good for because if you think your gonna go home after a glass of wine you're daft.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Me and my big mouth keyboard. At least he says nothing about it.
I used to date someone who was also very knowledgeable about wine, but he would let you and the sommelier or waiter know it. (God forbid anyone suggested a wine or seemed about to.)
At some point, I noticed that he no longer does that. When I asked, he said, "My wife convinced me that I was even more obnoxious about wine than I am about everything else." Some women marry a DIY project and do very well with it. The only renovating I enjoy is homes.
Drinking wine in Ireland's pubs, now is it? Not beer?
I would go home with no glass of wine. Or shandy. Alcohol and pot are not my friends. Husband can put away a fair amount with visible signs of intoxication. I have never heard him slur his speech, even a little, or get loud or stumble, etc. I seem drunk when I teetotal and he seems sober when he's put away quite a few. (I never thought about that before.)
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)The house wines are very good these days, as in England. Guess being in a union with France and Italy helped them "evolve" that way. And actually for some time now the pubs in England and Ireland have phenomenal food (they're referred to as "gastro pubs" . I had really great meals every where I went.
I don't drink too much anymore, but I do have a rather large capacity for wine. I like a nice buzz, I confess. I'm a happy drunk, so being in Ireland with family at the pubs was almost too much happiness to handle.
So, when are we leaving?
merrily
(45,251 posts)it would split open. Then, maybe the headache could escape. I never get a buzz. Not from alcohol, not from pot. No clue why. Not complaining. To the contrary, I'm thrilled. If I could do controlled substances, I would probably become an addict, fast. I fit the profile.
I went to college with a woman whose mum was English or had English parents. I've forgotten which. Of her mum's cooking, she said, "My mother can make any dish, as long as it's some kind of boiled meat. She had me in stitches often. Once, the group was talking about how to discourage a break in. She said, "My parents leave the door wide open. If anyone came in, they'd leave something."
College sardonics. Gotta love 'em.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)You and my husband sound like twins as far as booze and pot (I can't do that either, it makes me horribly paranoid). So your husband and I can drink and you and my hubster can be the DDs! WINNING! Duh!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Did you ever watch P.S. I Love You?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0431308/
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)You're so wonderfully silly that I just woke up my dear husband because I'm laughing so hard I shook the bed.
merrily
(45,251 posts)If Hillary Swank managed it, what am I, chopped liver?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm laughing because you're so perfectly Merrily.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I think I am going to join your husband in bed now. Have lavender-scented dreams, dear dorkzilla.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)How'd you know about the lavender? I spray it every night on my pillow.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I read that lavender is supposed to make us sleep better and I keep a bowl of dried lavender at my bedside, maybe rubbing some of it together to release the scent. (Not as wet as spraying the pillow.)
Of those three, the only plausible one is: I snuck into your bedroom.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Was I snoring?
merrily
(45,251 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Like right now. I'm going to sleep through the returns. Can't take the stress.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)the very first thing I will do is get us wired the hell up.
In fact, I might look into it anyhow as a business venture.
I want to live in a place devoid of people, because most of them suck.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I TOTALLY know what you mean. I happen to love very rural Ireland so you'll get no opposition from me there. I'm just generally too fatigued to get into my car and drive to the supermarket with the MS on many days, I'm sure as hell not going to drive to a ferry and go to the mainland to get provisions. Fuuuuuuck that! I need a Tesco or Dunne's within a 20 minute drive.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Phew! (big sigh of relief)
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm in!
ja
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)And unless you wanna live on an isolated wet rock with no employment opportunities, think twice.
It's funny but... There's thousands of nicer places to live in Ireland.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'll happily move there but not anywhere you'd need a ferry. I'm looking at a summer rental in Wexford to figure out where I'm going to hang my hat for good.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)The interior.... Well there's some nice places but none I'd live in. I live in Dublin but have been all over. I've been here full time for almost 9 years. And part time for 3 years before that. And visited twice in the 2 years before that. Lol.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)It just the hubster and meself, and for the next few years it will probably be just summers. I'm looking forward to it...partly because I can get back and forth to family and friends in England easily too. I took a flight from Northampton to Dublin...£29 and less than an hour! I'd love to live in England too, but I don't think I can afford it as easily as Ireland.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)are absolutely amazing... I head out there as often as possible...
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)It is stunningly beautiful there.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)I shot a music video up in the Sally Gap a few years ago... people always think it has been messed with, because it looks kinda impossibly beautiful... love that area.... South Dublin (I live in Rathfarnham) and Wicklow are amazing.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I'm sure I can't live in the city even though I love visiting Dublin.
30 years living rural in America and I know I'm only content with quiet and no neighbors.
Maybe an Irish DU meet-up in the future?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I've lived around NYC my whole life, and I would be happiest in a walking village, but rural suits me fine as well. Dublin is gorgeous but it's gotten nearly as expensive as London with all the American tech companies that moved in. Nice place to visit-especially on Blooms Day!
A meet up would be awesome!
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)There's parts of Dublin that are a LOT less city than other parts... like even the mountains between south dublin and Wicklow... that's basically rural and isolated, with amazing views, but also not a million miles away from the city for convenience...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)underpants
(182,273 posts)No thanks
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)A wet rock without Donald Trump... So.
a kennedy
(29,462 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,340 posts)Come on, didn't you always want to run a coffee shop on a small island in Ireland?
I'd be happy to stop in for a cup at "Enrique's".
Enrique
(27,461 posts)this could be the unlikely start to a great success story
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)unless it also offered tea.
surrealAmerican
(11,340 posts)Most of the coffee shops I go to also offer tea, some even have cocoa.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Extra goat milk
Nice egg sandwiches and an oatmeal bar in the morning. Vegan bean chili and tomato bisque or potato soup in the afternoon. close up before the kids get home. Maybe open on Saturday for market and serve fried bread with local honey, custard.
I haven't thought about this at all.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Go on, go on, go on....
eShirl
(18,466 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)eShirl
(18,466 posts)Feck off, cup!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)What do you say to a nice cup of tea?
Feckin priceless.
valerief
(53,235 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)And I will if that guy wins.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Father Jack was the best.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Father Ted - easily one of the greatest comedy shows ever
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Got all my paperwork for my Irish passport together when I was in Ireland last week. I'll likely end up on the east coast (don't tell the others but its nice and sunny there).
And if you are interested in taking Inishturk up on this offer, you must know rule one...anytime anyone says "Mayo", you are supposed to say "God help us". Some people think it originated with the Famine, others because it's historically been a very poor county, so when people where asked where they were from they'd say "Mayo. God help us.".
Thus concludes our Irish history lesson for this evening. Join me tomorrow when I explain what "up the banner" means.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Hellman's, God help us.
Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)I've been to Ireland twice and just loved it there! My great grandmother was from County Mayo, came here with her family when she was a child, met my great grandfather here. He was from Kilkenny. I never knew her, but I've seen photos. She raised 11 children and from the photos it looks like she may have smoked a pipe. From all accounts, a tough lady...
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)That's amusing...I've seen photos of old women with pipes in their mouths and they always seemed such characters! Don't you wish you could talk with her? I know I would!
Rhiannon12866
(202,970 posts)And to hear lots of stories and see photographs. My great grandparents raised 11 children, after all. My grandfather was the eldest boy and I never knew him since he died young, at 48, when my Dad was only 12. But my grandmother kept up with the family and the great aunt I knew best was the closest sister in age, died in 1990 at 97. There was one gathering with the entire family present where they took lots of pix, so everyone could have their own, guess they didn't make copies in those days. My Dad had fond memories of his Irish grandfather on the farm, remembers him milking the cows and squirting milk, in turn, into the mouths of the barn cats who gathered, to amuse the children. I wish I had known them, too, pretty remarkable people from all I've heard...
Marr
(20,317 posts)That would be remote as hell. I'll bet you'd hear a fair amount of Irish Gaelic spoken there.
Well... assuming you heard any speech at all, lol.
Aristus
(66,090 posts)then I'm there!
I'm sure they could use good, solid primary care in such a place.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)It's about four and a half square miles and has two settlements, with two abandoned ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inishturk
There are regular ferries to the mainland (it's a tourist attraction), but the pier is about four miles from the nearest town, Louisburgh, with bus service.
shanti
(21,670 posts)raise some sheep. My Irish roots are in County Cork.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)coming there to make the island un-affordable for the people there!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)What they don't like outsiders doing is prospecting for gold. Yes, gold!
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-01-14/news/mn-321_1_gold-mining
However, the 18 families of Inishturk met in the island church and voted 15 to 3 against further prospecting....
Now the island people are determined to force a stop to all further prospecting, and they have told the mining company its employees are no longer welcome.
Irish Minister for Energy Bobby Molloy plans to visit the island to discuss the issue with the people, but so far they are adamant.
They could mine it themselves, placer-style like in California's gold rush if there's a stream nearby, and pay for the whole thing!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)no, but it's not a million miles from there!
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)At least Cape Breton has world class golf.
Seriously, a friend of mine owns a gold resort there. The new Coore and Crenshaw opens this year, the second 18. The new Titleist commercial was shot there. In my opinion, the Cliffs course is second to Cypress Point looks wise in North America.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Easy ferry to the mainland. Beautiful. Great if you love isolation and water and silence. Hmmm May talk myself into it! I would have to get into a library now and then. Bet all that fresh air and fresh fish would be healthy. Saw some fine dancing and wonderful knitting.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Besides Trump is NOT going to be president. We'd better be prepared to come together and elect a Dem folks.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)That's my mom's favorite as well. I'm partial to Connemara. When I was a child we were conscripted to gather cut turf in the nearby peat bogs. One of my favorite things is the smell of a good turf fire. sigh...I'm ready to go back now!
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)too Americanized for the locals but I won't give a damn.
Would love to spend my end years staring at the sea, drinking at the pub in the afternoon, writing, painting. I've always lived rural so now I actually prefer the solitude.
I spotted the GLÒR NA MARA property last time I visited and have been smitten ever since.
If I win the lottery...
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm heading back too; it's always been the plan but the timeline has been moved up because the climate is better for my health. All I need is a small place with a sea view, a full library and a good stock of wine, a few cats and dogs and an easy walk to a pub and I'm good. I'll likely end up in the south east or in County Clare, where I have lots of family I'm close to.
I hear you about the Americanized stuff...as long as you're not some bomb-loving ignoramus you'll be fine. My mom has gotten very right wing and stupid since she moved here and my family are not too happy about that. But they're pretty good with American liberals as we tend to understand that we're not the center of the universe and don't want to fight everyone.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)rural Europe can be every bit as boring and claustrophic as, say, West Virginia or North Dakota. It's a nice idea, and if I were younger, I'd think about it, but I'm done with being a gypsy.
On the other hand, if we're talking Schengen visa, I'm in.
a la izquierda
(11,784 posts)I'd move out of here without a second thought if I had some better option (and I'm constantly looking). This place is a self-destructing pit of coal.
razorman
(1,644 posts)(especially a celebrity) say that they will leave the U.S. if "so-and-so" is elected President. I recall that Alec Baldwin promised to leave if G.W.B. became prez. Still waiting, Alec. Every election, we hear the same sort of shit from people who don't like a particular candidate. There were those who would not stay if Barack Obama were elected. Yet, I do not recall anyone ever actually carrying out the threat. Now it is Trump who pisses them off. Or Hillary. Or whoever. Go ahead, assholes; leave already. You won't be missed.
ChazInAz
(2,535 posts)Does the island have much of a theater community?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)This in a town of 800!
a la izquierda
(11,784 posts)I'll take it. I'll even teach at the school. I need to get the hell out of here for awhile.
mcar
(42,210 posts)My ancestors are from Mayo.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)I will stay and fight
tavernier
(12,322 posts)Lovely to visit.
Dublin would be more my cuppa.
Loved that city.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)...then you'll fit right in!
Initech
(99,913 posts)yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)so I'm used to isolation and I'm one quarter Irish!
forest444
(5,902 posts)And then carry out my own corporate inversion to Ireland.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that I'm at least 1/8 Irish.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I want to go where it's warm.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)It's one hell of a commute to the nearest town.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The island is a tourist attraction.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Sounds like a Democrats-only island. Gun control plus no Trump-based Islamophobia. Nice!
geardaddy
(24,924 posts)the first thing I'll do is sign up for Irish classes. Gotta keep the language going.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)geardaddy
(24,924 posts)Thanks for the link!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I've been learning Italian for my next visit. I gave up on the Irish long ago...my gran tried to teach me but I NEVER got it. That came in handy for gran and my mother later on - they could talk about "adult things" in front of me and I was none the wiser.
geardaddy
(24,924 posts)I'll have to add Irish to my list!
I'm pretty good in Welsh, but the spelling in Irish will kill me. I've looked at the guide to pronouncing it and I'm frustrated. Welsh is very regular and easy once you learn the rules.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)all my cousins speak it and say its no big deal but I just never got the hang of it. Maybe I will give it another go.
Kudos for learning Welsh!
geardaddy
(24,924 posts)Thanks!
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)They have to be microchipped, rabies vaccinated and "certified" healthy, but yes. In the UK you have to confine them to your house for 3 - 6 months (can't remember) and I think Ireland is the same.
My eyes are going a little wonky right now, but you can read the rules here:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/coming_to_live_in_ireland/bringing_pets_to_ireland.html
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I chipped them all when they were fixed...probably they're in need of current vacs, but they're inside cats, so I've been lax.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)They are allowed to wonder onto the back deck in the summer if I'm out there but that's as far as they get. I've slacked off with the rabies myself, but we had a rabid fox in the neighborhood so I think I'd better do it, just in case.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Better safe than sorry.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)My Maine Coon regularly tries to escape so...
3catwoman3
(23,812 posts)Good question about cats. I can't go anywhere my cats can't go. We are a package deal.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,010 posts)Seriously, they will not be missed. But where?
They need a country with:
1. Open carry firearms galore
2. Strong authoritarian values
3. No feminist, liberal, gay "agenda"
4. The wealthy are worshiped like deities
5. No universal healthcare
6. Lowest wages
7. No profit killing environmental, safety, food regulations
8. Religious intolerance (Christian - sorry, that rules out the obvious places for all the above)
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,081 posts)I'll vote for the Antipodes Islands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipodes_Islands
47of74
(18,470 posts)...then it's certainly good enough for me.