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Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:12 PM

Chris Matthews again pushing Kasich as Hillary's VP

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He just asked Kasich, who didn't give an answer to the question but instead said "it would never happen."

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Reply Chris Matthews again pushing Kasich as Hillary's VP (Original post)
wheniwasincongress Mar 2016 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #1
madokie Mar 2016 #41
stage left Mar 2016 #2
LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #3
leftofcool Mar 2016 #4
monmouth4 Mar 2016 #5
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #9
LiberalElite Mar 2016 #11
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #16
LannyDeVaney Mar 2016 #17
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #20
Shrike47 Mar 2016 #29
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #32
TipTok Mar 2016 #39
Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #6
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #7
karynnj Mar 2016 #35
KamaAina Mar 2016 #8
Atman Mar 2016 #10
GreatCaesarsGhost Mar 2016 #12
ChimpersMcSmirkers Mar 2016 #26
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #13
madinmaryland Mar 2016 #14
Skittles Mar 2016 #15
phylny Mar 2016 #18
SamKnause Mar 2016 #19
SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #38
Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #21
tabasco Mar 2016 #22
woolldog Mar 2016 #23
ChimpersMcSmirkers Mar 2016 #24
B Calm Mar 2016 #25
Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #27
TheFarseer Mar 2016 #28
tularetom Mar 2016 #30
pnwmom Mar 2016 #31
Land Shark Mar 2016 #33
Ilsa Mar 2016 #34
Hekate Mar 2016 #36
pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #37
dembotoz Mar 2016 #40
book_worm Mar 2016 #43
book_worm Mar 2016 #42
Greybnk48 Mar 2016 #44
azurnoir Mar 2016 #45

Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:14 PM

1. What the hell has Tweety been smoking?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:52 AM

41. Its the smoke off his ass

that gets him in trouble
every fucking time

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:15 PM

2. Is he nuts? nt

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Response to stage left (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:16 PM

3. Yes.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:17 PM

4. As though Hillz would choose someone who closed down PP in his state.

Hell no!

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:17 PM

5. Makes absolutely no sense. What is Tweety's point?..n/t

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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:51 PM

9. The point is that this ticket would be designed to beat Trump.

You have lots of Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump, but don't like Hillary either. A "unity" ticket with a Republican as veep could make pulling the lever for Hillary a lot more palatable to disaffected Republicans.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:53 PM

11. I wonder if the disaffected Republicans will be enough

to cancel out the effect of the disaffected Democrats.

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:07 PM

16. Funny, but really, Hillary supporters would vote for her regardless.

Which is why a strategy like this could work.

I don't see it happening, though.

If only Hillary had more appeal outside the base, there wouldn't even be a need to worry about this kind of thing.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:10 PM

17. Uh, there isn't a need to worry about this kind of thing ...

 

she isn't adding a Republican to the ticket and she doesn't need any more appeal to destroy Trump in the GE.

She already has more votes than ANYBODY else running - appeal "outside the base" is not, and will not, be her problem.

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Response to LannyDeVaney (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:42 PM

20. Appeal outside the base is EXACTLY her problem.

She is seen unfavorably by about 53% of the population.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html

She is seen favorably by about 83% of Democrats (i.e. Hillary's base), who make up about 29% of the population.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

With only 17% of Dems viewing her unfavorably, in order to reach 53% overall unfavorability, that means the population outside the base (i.e. independents and republicans) is a whopping 68%. That's more than 2-to-1 unfavorable outside the base, 2-to-1 unfavorable among 71% of the population!

And this problem is uniquely hers. As has been mentioned many times before, Hillary has the highest unfavorables of ANY candidate from EITHER party. Historically, candidates with unfavorables over 50% don't win.

In this case, Hillary will be blessed with an opponent who will also be widely disliked. But it will not be a cakewalk for her. So whatever she can do to increase her appeal outside the Democratic base will be helpful. Otherwise, you're left counting on her getting votes from people who don't like her, on the basis that they like the other option even less.

This is one of the reasons many of us feel Sanders would be the stronger candidate in November. But that's unlikely to happen, so that leaves us with the question of how to make a Hillary as successful as possible.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:46 PM

29. But Trump's unfavorables are even higher. This may be a race between two disliked candidates.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:54 PM

32. Good point, I didn't realize Trump had overtaken her. RCP has him at 61% unfav.

That's good news for Hillary. Though with both of them having unfavs over 50%, there's going to be a good bunch who will feel like they're choosing between death by poison vs. death by hanging. They may just stay home.

VP selection may be important for both of them.

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:38 AM

39. Folks really hate trump...

 

It could work but Kasich has too much pride to humble himself like that and deny himself any shot in the future.

It'd work for Hillary. Not for Kasich.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:18 PM

6. John Kerry wanted John McCain as his VP in 2004.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:22 PM

7. Yes, but he didn't actually do it.

Even if McCain had been interested, I'm sure the Dem PTB would have told Kerry - not just no, but hell, no. If Hillary wants to guarantee losing the votes of the women who have supported her so far, all she has to do is choose the fanatically anti-choice Kasich. Won't happen, no way.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:21 PM

35. Kerry said he never offered McCain the VP and that they disagreed on too many important

things. He did meet with McCain, after a McCain staffer brought up the idea as a way to unite a badly divided country. It never went anywhere - McCain floated the story to puff himself up.

If you really want an example, McCain really did want Lieberman.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:49 PM

8. The question is, who's pushing meth to Tweety?

 

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:53 PM

10. That's when I switch my vote to Trump.

Really...if we're going to have two corporate whore running the dog and pony show, why the hell not let Drumpf drive the clown car into the ditch? The only real dif between Kasich and the other clowns is that Kasich knows how to behave in public. Beyond that, he's as evil and vile as the rest of them.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:58 PM

12. You think that's crazy? ... some lady on his panel just said she should pick Rubio

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Response to GreatCaesarsGhost (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:37 PM

26. May you live in interesting times. Obama and now this.

The only thing that I can say is that Dems have this if we can stick just a little bit together. No kumbaya necessary. Just a rational agreement that the alternative is quite unacceptable. Yes doodoo sandwich, but the reality is quite real.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:00 PM

13. Oh fuck that.

 

After what he's done to a woman's right to choose in Ohio?

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:05 PM

14. Tweety has another tingle down his leg?


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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:06 PM

15. WTF

no, no, and HELL F***ING NO

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:34 PM

18. Why?

For the love of all that is good, can Democrats please stop trying to play nice with the other side? I realize this is not Hillary's idea, I'm pissed it was even brought up.

This country is changing so rapidly, white women like me, and old, white people like our fathers, and white men like my husband are soon to be in the minority, if not already. The country is changing. I tell our daughters, their generation will save us.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:40 PM

19. Either Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon would be a perfect fit.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:26 AM

38. Ha!

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:42 PM

21. Chris Matthews is so over the top its not even funny.

Nobody listens to him so he has to speak even louder.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:15 PM

22. Tweety is a stupid whack job propagandist and I see no reason to regurgitate

 

his garbage on this site. Just MHO. I wish everyone would TURN OFF the corporate whore media!!

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:29 PM

23. Not a bad idea.

 

Doubt Kadish would ever go for it though..but it's a good idea.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:31 PM

24. It is interesting. Veep has zero power except Senate tie breakers.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:33 PM

25. He'll be pushing for DWS next.

 

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:42 PM

27. The guy is a fucking idiot.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:46 PM

28. Whose side is he on?

Tweety may like Hillary but he does not care about the rank and file of the democratic party if he is pushing this.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:48 PM

30. Chris must be having one of his Reagan-Tip O'Neill orgasmic flashbacks

He's all geeked up about the good old days when Ronnie and Tip would argue all day and then go and drink beer together in the evening.

Forget that it probably never even happened. Chris actually believes it did and thats why the 80's were the best time ever in Amurka.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:49 PM

31. Sherrod Brown is the Ohioan he should be pushing. n/t

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:59 PM

33. Seems to be toying with party realignment ideas

Fact that Kasich and Rubio both came up could be taken to further a party realignment where democratic conservatives and the more liberal republicans and neoconservatives on foreign policy join, and a trumpis nationalist populist party takes working class folks with 1/2 the republican party and pulls in peace activists because of its isolationism. Not my idea ok? Don't shoot the messenger.

That said there is lots of unhappy folk talking about a new home.so something could happen on one side of the aisle or maybe both.

If that doesn't work then the people are just plain nuts as everyone here is saying.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:04 PM

34. If she did that, the gop woukd find a way to

Take her out to put him in charge, with Willard as his VP.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:27 PM

36. Tweety's smoking something again. smh

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:30 PM

37. MORE PROOF the teevee gnewz is the ENEMY.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:51 AM

40. tell me again about hrc and her progressive values

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:22 AM

43. And exactly where does it say anything about

HRC being in support of this idea?

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:20 AM

42. HRC is not going to nominate a Republican for VP

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:47 PM

44. And Cruz should pick Hillary???

Tweety needs to retire. He's nuts.


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Response to wheniwasincongress (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:27 PM

45. sorry locking threads concerning Democratic candidates belong in General Discussion Primaries

as per the management

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