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Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:15 AM

WillyT has been banned.

This isn't a grave dancing post, just an informational one.

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MIR Team (EarlG) banned WillyT

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Reason:
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives". The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:17 AM

1. Thank you.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:57 AM

444. Not Allowed To Say?

 

That a group of voters may be supporting someone who consistently votes against their interests? It may be presumptuous to assert people don't know what they are doing but calling it racist belittles actual racism does it not? I have heard many African-American leaders and activists agree so it's hardly seems out of bounds. People get swindled and hoodwinked into supporting counterproductive candidates all the time. Many agree Hillary is exactly one of these. I didn't read the post but the description just seems like more vitriol from haters from the Hillary camp.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #444)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:15 AM

452. Precisely. Well said.

 

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Response to bvf (Reply #452)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:06 PM

623. Hundreds of posts protesting removal of this hostile

influence and, outrageously, making excuses for someone who participated in and even encouraged incessant partisan group attacks on black voters -- and especially our own black members - prove that this was a necessary, and enormously overdue, ban.

Shame on all the people who want it back. This was always wrong.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #444)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:06 PM

527. Thank you.

All the race cards have been dealt from the Clinton deck.

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:17 AM

2. there'll be plenty of grave dancing from the usual suspects.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:18 AM

3. His post was despicable and racist. He earned it

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:19 AM

6. the usual suspects wanted him gone long before that post was made.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:38 AM

20. He was banned because of his long history of such posts, not just for this one. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:58 AM

58. Yep. He deserved it.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:33 AM

109. You are right. Unfortunately, he was asking the Admins to do what they did. If he was thinking

that the Admins new rules were carte blanche that anything goes, he really blew it

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Response to still_one (Reply #109)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:16 PM

222. Well in my experience

thats usually correct. Certain people would rather be banned than quit their membership. Course in the long run it's stupid because your name remains usually as well as all your posts. In the other instance your name is ______ and your posts go away as the age of the thread gets older...

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #222)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:27 PM

233. You're right about that. I have seen that occur from both sides.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:45 PM

270. Yes. One of those

 

suspects was after Willy and is now gloating about Willy. I will miss him.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:05 AM

70. +1. But I have no doubt we will see ...

 

a similar post, in the not too distant future ... from a low post count member.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #70)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:27 AM

103. Ya think?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #70)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:39 AM

116. That is a safe bet

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:24 PM

263. He had a target on his back. The most outspoken progressive on a site that doesn't

 

like progressives. Rascism used to silence those that don't follow the right worldview.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #263)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:14 PM

304. You're correct the site doesn't cotton to progressives with racist worldviews.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #304)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:33 PM

317. He isn't a racist. Racism was used as a tool to silence someone you don't agree with. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #317)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:51 PM

320. He posted a racist op!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #320)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:21 PM

328. Multiple times!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #328)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:04 PM

398. Then doubled down.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #398)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:00 AM

445. According To Well Known Haters?

 

I didn't read the post. But I bet many anti-racist activists wouldn't believe a word of this. We have all witnessed firsthand the lies and misrepresentations from the Hillary camp.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #445)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:39 AM

454. You didn't read the postS, but you feel it's appropriate to accuse people on the basis

of something you are completely ignorant about.

Typical bro.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #445)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:12 AM

463. Oh so you just want to complain about the Hillary camp instead of addressing the issue.

 

Tells me all I need to know.

Btw the owners of this site are the finsl judge here and they felt it was a racist op.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #445)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:32 AM

470. Then maybe you should read the posts...



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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #445)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:43 PM

481. WOW ... Are you serious? ...

 

You're defending someone for posting something that you claim to have not read? Really?

"GO TEAM! "

"Yes, I'll have some Kool-Aid, Mr. Jones"

"He may be a bastard; but, he's OUR bastard"

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #481)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:57 PM

516. Duh...Its Removed

 

And I've seen enough boy who cried wolf lies to be extremely suspicious. I've seen people here called sexist for not supporting NSA or the Iraq War. Ive seen people called racist for saying a group of people aren't voting in their own interests. It may be presumptuous to assert people don't know what they are doing with their vote but racist? The belittles actual racism. Many people get hoodwinked into supporting a candidate that screws them over. I can't read the op because it's gone. I will say this though. As I minority I will never support a candidate that voted for mass incarceration. It's one of my biggest issues and one of the most evil things one can support doing to a people.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #516)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:10 PM

518. I don't feel the least bit silly, defending something that you haven't read? ...

 

That's pretty... well ... silly.

And, WTF is "ACTUAL RACISM"? That comment, especially when directed to, a Black person, is silly, as well ... your "minority" status, not withstanding.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #518)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:18 PM

520. Not Picking A Fight

 

Just saying what I've seen. Many people have been personally attacked on DU when it wasn't warranted. It's their fault if people are skeptical now. Is someone calls a person sexist for not supporting Hillarys NSA or War votes then I assert that's not "actual sexism". Actual sexism can be a multitude of things I hope you agree. The same would go for racism right? Or is the whole point just to suppress the discussion. I've seen it so bad that I seriously could see some of the usual suspects calling MLK racist or Angela Davis sexist. It just demeans the whole process. I didn't defend the post. I merely commented on what else I have personally witnessed.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #520)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:24 PM

521. No. You're defending some shit, be it the person, or the post ...

 

that your don't have the first idea about. That is silly.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #521)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:37 PM

522. Wrong

 

But you are entitled to your opinion.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #521)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:50 PM

538. You're Saying The Person Is Shit?

 

Not surprising I guess. I know one thing...I never thought I would see the day that Bernie is labeled a racist which has occurred by your allies on numerous occasions. I recall very clearly when Hillary smeared Obama as being a radical Muslim in a turban. This is directly tied to the fact that he is Black and that imagery was exploited by Clintonites many of whom I would match my own involvement with civil rights against theres any day of the week. I like your comments mostly but not always but some of the company you keep makes me scratch my head. Of course I will vote for Hillary against Trump but I will hold my nose and be disgusted with myself. I will also fight for true liberals afterward which of course will be in direct opposition to that war-mongering, mass incarcerating liar. I will probably go back to supporting direct actions and protests in the streets where the only change ever occurs. I do know that many people I know will leave the democratic party and start a progressive party. Just the way it is and well deserved.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #538)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:47 PM

539. Yes ... Anyone claiming to be a progressive and posts thread after thread of racist shit is shit.

 

...I never thought I would see the day that Bernie is labeled a racist which has occurred by your allies on numerous occasions.


Bernie has never been labeled a racist, except for the straw man that his supporters built in order to deflect from Bernie's campaign's failure to connect with the Black electorate. Saying/noting that Bernie's platform/worldview prioritizes economic justice over social justice is NOT calling him a racist; saying/noting that Bernie's platform/worldview resonates most strongly among young, white, educated, higher than the median incomed males is not calling Bernie a racist; hell, saying/noting that Bernie comes off as racially clueless/clumsy is not calling him a racist.

I recall very clearly when Hillary smeared Obama as being a radical Muslim in a turban. This is directly tied to the fact that he is Black and that imagery was exploited by Clintonites many of whom I would match my own involvement with civil rights against theres any day of the week.


All of that is irrelevant to this discussion.

I like your comments mostly but not always but some of the company you keep makes me scratch my head.


I'm sure no more than your blind defense of the latest fallen hero of DU:progressives, has me scratching my head.

Of course I will vote for Hillary against Trump but I will hold my nose and be disgusted with myself. I will also fight for true liberals afterward which of course will be in direct opposition to that war-mongering, mass incarcerating liar.


That is good. And I thank you for your vote, should HRC in deed win the nomination. I will do the same should Bernie win the nomination, minus the histrionics and characterizations.

I do know that many people I know will leave the democratic party and start a progressive party. Just the way it is and well deserved.


Great. Maybe, we can form a coalition; but, honestly, I think that is more talk than fact. Building a party is hard work ... certainly more difficult than post stuff to the internet.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #539)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:57 PM

540. I Care About Results...Not Personalities

 

My biggest issue besides economic inequality and corruption is the perversion of the justice system. Mass incarceration and the drug war is what makes us a police state and mass spying is the tool as it is at the highest levels of our society where people's private data is used to blackmail them. Judges judge a certain way, journalists write a certain way, generals attack a certain way, attorneys argue a certain way, activists protest a certain way etc etc when they have personal information leveraged against them. This is why you see so many inexplicable flip-flops these days. Its called blackmail and it affects our leaders as much as it does low-level drug distributors. Our society is cracking. I have been around long enough to know Hillary is as much a part of the problem as any Bush (who she fawns over and is proud to be called an honorary member of their family). And Bernie was labeled a racist by many Clintonites on DU so you are wrong. And it is relevant that she exploited racist imagery against Obama in 2008...you are wrong there too. I'll be curious to see if the national security establishment takes out Trump. Bernie can still win as can Hillary and either will defeat Trump although Hillary has a bigger disadvantage there. The Rethugs are going to run a 3rd Party candidate. A lot can happen and Im curious what would happen if Clinton's email scandal gained more traction. I doubt it will because she is the only real ally of the security state left and they would be shooting themselves in the foot going after her. But the law is the law...just ask Petraus.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #540)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:45 PM

545. I care about both ...

 

I have found that results are often directly related to personality. People tend to not support those they find "difficult" ... But I don't see how that is related to this discussion.

Nor, this:

My biggest issue besides economic inequality and corruption is the perversion of the justice system. Mass incarceration and the drug war is what makes us a police state and mass spying is the tool as it is at the highest levels of our society where people's private data is used to blackmail them. Judges judge a certain way, journalists write a certain way, generals attack a certain way, attorneys argue a certain way, activists protest a certain way etc etc when they have personal information leveraged against them.




And Bernie was labeled a racist by many Clintonites on DU so you are wrong.


Bullshit ... post a link to support your assertion. To avoid embarrassment, that post/link should probably not be a that of a Bernie supporter "interpreting" the "inference" of someone.

And it is relevant that she exploited racist imagery against Obama in 2008...you are wrong there too.


How can I be wrong about what I have not spoken on? (See the above, re: Bernie supporter "interpreting" the "inference" of someone.

Bernie can still win as can Hillary and either will defeat Trump although Hillary has a bigger disadvantage there.


Opinions vary.

The Rethugs are going to run a 3rd Party candidate.


And that's good thing for Democrats, and for me, personally, as it make easier the path for a Democratic presidency ... though it might make negatively affect the down ticket races.

But the law is the law...just ask Petraus.


There is a huge difference between what Petraus did and what HRC did ... I think it sad that the left, can't make the distinction; but, any port in a partisan storm, right?



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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #545)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:54 PM

549. OK

 

You said it was irrelevant about Hillary parading the photos of Obama in a turban in your annotated notes on my post. And Im not going through thousands of comments but I assure you Hillary supporters labeled Bernie racist during the BLM tangles. Many times in fact. Maybe not you but many did. Ive also seen people called sexist simply for not agreeing with Clinton...often.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #549)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:21 PM

561. I said ...

 

Hillary is irrelevant to THIS discussion, i.e., WillyT and his/her racist screeds.

And Im not going through thousands of comments but I assure you Hillary supporters labeled Bernie racist during the BLM tangles.


I suspect that's because all you will find is Bernie supporters "interpreting" the "inferences" of others.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #320)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:06 AM

442. No, he did not! Same old shit with you folks. Always looking to point fingers.

Get a life outside of the internet.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #442)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:09 AM

462. The owners of this site disagree with you.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #462)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:59 PM

517. The Owners Of Many Things Disagree With Many People

 

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #442)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:56 PM

484. LOL ...

 

Get a life outside of the internet.


Says the guy/gal that comes into a thread, shouting and stomping his/her feet, with hands firmly over his/her ears.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #317)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:51 PM

320. Do non-racists post racist stuff, repeatedly, even after being told ...

 

in no uncertain terms that the stuff is racist?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #320)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:53 PM

386. Can you explain to me why the claim about the Stockholm Syndrome is racist?

If you'd prefer to reply via Pm that would be fine.

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Response to kristopher (Reply #386)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:04 PM

485. Yes. I can. ...

 

Can you explain why the claim about "Plantation mentality" is considered racist (when said by a white person)?

Most PoC and Progressives, and even DU:progressive, are in near unanimity on that.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #485)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:22 PM

489. I've never heard plantation mentality used

But I can surmise what it's trying to describe. I don't see how either is racist in and of themselves though. I'm a cultural anthropologist and I can speculate about the reasons it's offensive from that perspective, but I'm not a psychologist nor am I a sociologist; so it would help me if someone who deems it a racist concept could take a moment to explain their personal feelings and thoughts on how it reflects a view that promotes one class of individuals as being better or worse than another?

Again, if you'd rather keep the entire topic off the public forum feel free to PM me.

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Response to kristopher (Reply #489)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:03 PM

497. I'm sorry ...

 

a cultural anthropologist (presumably in America) that has never heard the term plantation mentality ... Sorry, not buying it.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #497)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:11 PM

498. Most of my time and effort has been devoted to Japan.

Look, it's a simple, but personal question. I thought you might be willing to help.
Thank you anyway.

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Response to kristopher (Reply #498)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:41 PM

502. Now, why do I get the sense that you are more interested in argumentation ...

 

than understanding.

If you truly have an interest in understanding, as a cultural anthropologist, you certainly have the tools to gain it.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #502)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:08 PM

507. I asked because I'm interested in learning something I don't know.

It isn't possible to learn what you think unless you choose to share. I know this environment isn't one that is conducive to trust, so thanks anyway.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #263)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:31 PM

405. Progressivism doesn't have to tolerate racism. In fact, when it does, it stops being progressivism

and becomes something else entirely.

I am pleased that the admins lowered the boom. His racist views were hurtful and offensive.

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Response to MADem (Reply #405)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:19 AM

415. He isn't a racist. That is a tool used to pillory him. Who's next on the list?

 

Purge all that disagree.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #415)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:30 AM

418. FOH...

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #418)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:09 PM

486. Thanks ... That response probably prevented me from joining ...

 

the fallen hero of DU:progressives, who just hates them some racism ... when they're not excusing it.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #415)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:20 AM

430. I tend to judge people by the words that emanate from them.

Silly me. How judgmental!

When people say racist things, I make the grand leap that they are racist.

And noting it, pointing it out, and objecting to it, is NOT "pillorying."

It's taking a zero-tolerance policy to HATE.

People who don't want to be put on your imaginary little "list" and "purged" shouldn't say racist, hate-filled things.

Problem solved.

smh.

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Response to MADem (Reply #430)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:14 PM

487. LOL ...

 

People who don't want to be put on your imaginary little "list" and "purged" shouldn't say racist, hate-filled things AGAIN .... MONTHS AFTER BEING TOLD THAT WHAT THEY SAID WAS RACIST.

Problem Solved.


SMGDH

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #415)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:34 AM

471. Purge all the spew racist filth...nt

Sid

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #263)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:53 AM

457. Wow 52000 plus times

 

you tried to convince a site that doesn't like progressives that they should listen to you. I give you props for sticking around and not being liked.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #457)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:19 PM

488. People the post racist and heterosexist stuffare not progressives ...

 

No matter how much they hate the 1%, the oligarchy, and the establishment, or how much dope they want to smoke.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #488)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:18 PM

541. Really now .......... is asking or wondering why battered women stay with

their mates sexist filth? If I hadn't had close friends point it out to me as something that partially explained my own situation, I might still be in it.

Stockholm Syndrome is real .......... you're making a fucking sick joke of it. It applies to many groups of people who have been hurt badly by those in power over them yet choose to remain; you should do a bit of research.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #541)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:52 PM

546. Thank you ... I will research it ...

 

In the mean time, perhaps you should focus you advocacy and concerns on the white folks that consistently vote for republicans.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #546)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:54 PM

548. Don't tell me what to focus on. Study up on the horrible (I know) syndrome

that actually DOES affect huge numbers of people (that you obviously can't even bring yourself to consider). Maybe you should do that before you jump up and down for joy seeing someone shit-canned here for mentioning it.



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Response to polly7 (Reply #548)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:09 PM

554. Do you see how ...

 

silly you are being?

You tell me not to tell you what to focus on, while reserving the right to tell me what I should focus on?

Go Team!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #554)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:14 PM

558. Do you see how desperately you're trying to back up your 'racism!' claim when confronted on

it wrt to the same claim being made towards many of women, children and men worldwide who remain stuck in circumstances under which they've suffered?

That's not silly .......... it's just plain disingenuous and damaging. You don't want anything to change or improve for millions, I get that - you've got yours. I have no problem whatsoever asking another woman (and I have, many times) why she can't bring herself to leave an abusive relationship and point out that there really is a well-documented reason that may partially explain it. Is it sexist when I do that? Or is that 'silly' to even ask?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #558)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:33 PM

565. No. I don't. I think willyT's racist (and heterosexist) screeda, apeaks for themselves...

 

it's just plain disingenuous and damaging. You don't want anything to change or improve for millions, I get that - you've got yours.


I want a lot to change, and am active working to bring those changes about ... and you are correct, I have gotten mine, despite, the racist headwind I have faced.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #565)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:43 PM

568. No, you want them to speak as to how you want them interpreted.

Exactly how those who don't get any personal benefit by helping women in abusive situations don't care at all about having them allowed the information they may not have, and very much need to be able to even begin to make changes that will help them live the lives they were meant to.

I also believe it's part of the same game that was begun since Sanders first announced - racist, sexist ........ whatever else could be thrown at him and his horrible supporters.

I've done well too, despite the very abusive headwind I faced - partly d/t no-one shutting up those people who helped me realize what I needed to know.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #548)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:11 PM

555. smdh...



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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #555)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:16 PM

559. Not too hard or fast, though eh. Wouldn't want you getting hurt. nt.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #559)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:19 PM

560. You are right..might get whiplash from all your stupid.

Keep on connecting and setting that fine example of a DU'er....

Proceed....

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #560)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:22 PM

562. You might want to check out a mirror.

Give yourself a smile while you're at it though, eh? Might make the 'stupid' go down better.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #562)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:31 PM

563. I always smile, thanks...Appreciate the advice from someone living with stupid for so long.

Ta!

You can move on now to someone who actually cares to hear what you say. Not sure why you are trying to engage me.

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #563)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:35 PM

566. You engaged me. ??

I usually smile too .... and I actually laugh at comments like yours that make no sense whatsoever. 'Living with stupid for so long'? Wtf does that even mean?

Do you always smile though when you jump in to call people stupid? I think there's a name for that ......

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Response to polly7 (Reply #566)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:42 PM

567. Aww...I didn't mean to confuse you...let me type slower so you can understand....



I know you don't get why racists and bigots aren't welcomed in a progressive society (or here at DU)...Maybe you should just not interact with anyone while you work through your confusion. Maybe go have some of that Willie's Tea...on second hand, maybe not.

Have a good one polly, glad I could make you laugh...please hit that ignore button now and get some rest...

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #567)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:46 PM

569. You're quite tired and confused, obviously.

I don't think that even you know wtf you're talking about.

You're the one that was 'mad' enough to call someone stupid. Don't you think you should lie down for a bit?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #569)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:53 PM

572. If that makes Willie's departure easier for you, fine....bu-bye!!

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #572)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:54 PM

573. So many pictures .... so many meaningless words!

That's fucking awesome.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #573)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:57 PM

574. See..it's not that hard to agree on something! Night night!

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #574)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:00 PM

575. There we go ................ and my best wishes your thinking is a bit clearer in the morning.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #575)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:02 PM

576. Thanks! Pretty sure we will still disagree on honoring a banned racist, but..

...bless your little heart!

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #576)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:04 PM

577. My heart's huge.

Yours seems awful tiny.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #577)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:06 PM

578. LOL...tell your boy Willie we miss him, m'kay??

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #578)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:11 PM

579. Your game here has been pretty transparent.

Don't ever play poker, k? (and I'm only telling you this out of genuine concern, honest).

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Response to polly7 (Reply #579)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:22 PM

580. Oh, I feel the concern you have...So glad to have you looking out for my best interest...

Is that what you and Willie think about all those poor souls who don't think like you? So great to know you are concerned, thanks very much. Let me go and post some racists stuff to keep up with you and your boy. You guys are great role models!

Let's see: "Can you believe this????" or "Let me just leave this right here!" or "Wow!!!! Look-ee-here"

Now to find some really racists and homophobic stuff to attach to an entire populous or minority group to go along with the subject title... How am I doing? Is that the image you want? Am I doing it right??? Wouldn't want your 'concern' to go wasted...

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #580)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:32 PM

583. I'm very glad to have had people look out for the poor soul that WAS me.

Get it?!?!?!

No, I wasn't lesser than anyone else, less educated, less able physically or mentally - I was trapped in a hell I thought I'd somehow made for myself and fucking grateful for the 'good' days I didn't get punched in the mouth or thrown into a wall. I actually stuck up for him out of some misguided sense of loyalty.

Look up the definition of the syndrome before you go crapping all over someone for mentioning the term.

Are you denying millions of battered and abused women suffer from the syndrome? If not, are you calling them deficient in some way? Let's get this straight!!!

I find real racists, homophobes and sexists abhorrent - I find those willing to stand by and demonize others for bringing up possibilities for why it might be happening almost as bad.

Are abused women who stay in relationships being demonized if told about a proven phenomenon that just may help them improve their chance at fucking living??

Come on, ........... explain to me how we are.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #583)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:45 PM

586. Nope..I don't get it...

It's obvious you didn't follow the thread. What *you* believe is irrelevant...you do not belong to one of the minority groups affected. You think because it's not what YOU believe that others have no cause to be outraged. It's all about you and not the group being victimized. Demanding that I explain to you anything is b.s. It's your job to understand why so many of us were offended by the idiot.

You say others shouldn't be offended or hurt or mad based on YOUR definition. There are enough people on this board to dispute your definition and say they were offended. They told him that in multiple threads over multiple months. He did exactly what you are doing and dismissed that concern....even worse: doubled down like a spoiled child and played victim.

Not sure how you are finding the racist in your life, but I live in black skin so I encounter it regularly. You are defending a racist and that's fine...I'm glad to expose you.

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #586)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:48 PM

589. LMFAO. 'I' don't get it??

You are SICK.

Anything to run as far away as possible for the proven FACT that Stockholm Syndrome exists in MANY different circumstances and with many different groups. My case is just one example - I thought it might make it a bit easier for you to understand. But someone with not one ounce of empathy or even the desire to understand isn't capable of reason, apparently. It's all about terrible, horrible WillyT!!! for mentioning it.

You are transparent ......... like a fucking window.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #589)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:53 PM

591. Again...all about you and your interpretation

There are plenty who saw what Willie was doing...You choose to bring your interpretation of what and who victims are.

You say transparent like it's a bad thing...you obviously have some crush on Willie and his legacy....I told you fine, you love him and his racist ways...now what? Who are you trying to convince? What is your motivation? Are you trying to get me to change my mind about him? Not going to happen. You mad that he's gone? Take it up with Skinner and EarlG.

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #591)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:59 PM

593. Your transparency is more the equivalent of purposeful and ugly ignorance.

My motivation's truth. What's yours, defending decades of harm from 'tough on crime', 'welfare reform', 'super-predator' - 'bring them to heel' and every other harmful thing done to NOT ONLY black minorities? Why? Has hate for Sanders and his life of protesting all of these things for some reason blinded you to anyone but yourself??

Guess what's not going to fucking happen? You convincing me you're in this but for any other reason than to slime anyone who sees vision in Sanders' candidacy. PLENTY of minorities have spoken up wondering the exact same things that the author of the article WillyT copied here did.

Suck it up.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #593)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:09 AM

595. Sooo.....You call me sick, and ugly, and ignorant...

Yeah, going to convince a bunch of people to get on your team with that attitude.

For the record, unlike yourself, I'm not against anyone - except for those trying to explain why I'm sick, ugly and ignorant.

I don't really care about your need to convince me to vote for one person or another. I *do* care about racist, homophobic, and sexist posters running around unchecked. Your attacks in this thread are providing a wonderful example for all to see how rabid Willie's followers are. Contorting yourself to justify his hate speech...bravo. Again, it seems like you have an issue with EarlG and Skinner. I didn't boot him...I'm just glad that he's gone.

You need to chill out, since your hostility toward me is beyond tiresome and your tone is over the top.

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #595)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:15 AM

598. Awww ....



But your 'stupid' was a bit of sweetness and light.

I learned from you .......... that's something. Little game-playing, it's not just for toddlers.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #598)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:27 AM

600. Look at you..using emojis like a real poster!

I guess I should have use that same one when you came crying in this thread about the poor persecuted Willie...sniff, sniff...

So you are saying that POC have a sickness and that it is akin to battered wives because they don't vote for the candidate you like? Please tell me how deep that belief is...

Oh, and just in case you forgot:
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives". The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #600)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:29 AM

602. Look at you, trying to be all funny and shit.

No, POC don't have a sickness any more than I FUCKING HAD.

You really are a piece of work.

Puke. You are actually ................. gross.

I have to go run my dog, and then to bed. Try to think of something interesting before I'm back on in the next day or two, ok? If I'm not banned by then for speaking truth to ignorance. You can take that up with whomever you like.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #602)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:51 AM

604. Oh, oh...he gave me homework!! Yeah!!

speaking truth to ignorance

You? buaahhaaha!! That's a good one! Whatever, man.

I'll be around the next time you try and defend Stockholm Syndrome used to blanket an entire community or equate POC with 'battered wives'.

If I'm not banned by then for speaking truth to ignorance. You can take that up with whomever you like.

Playing victim, hunh? Seriously, man, you need to calm down...think about your blood pressure. Did you need me to speak to someone about getting you banned? If you don't want to be here, just leave. If you don't like my gifs, just ignore!

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #604)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:40 AM

618. My blood pressure is better than yous probably ever has been or will be ......

no worries there.

I'll leave when I want to. Tattle to whoever you want to.

The only thing I need is to stop reading your absolute ignorance about real life and desperation in running away from all those Clinton imposed programs that have harmed so many - did you think blabbering on and on would make me forget those questions? I've offered examples of another group of people who've been questioned the same way this OP did about voluntarily choosing loyalty to someone whose practices have harmed their lives directly and indirectly.

The Bernie Bro!, racist!!! shit got old the second it was first trotted out. It was official campaign policy - aren't you the good little soldier.

And I don't even know WillyT apart from reading his posts for years and learning much from them. Where are all your informative posts? Oh that's right ............ you don't have any.

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #580)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:43 PM

585. Crickets, eh? What a scammer you are. nt.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #585)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:46 PM

588. What are you going on about...what is your point?

I've told you my point is to expose racists and homophobes like Willie...You are defending him. Is that why you are posting on this thread?

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #588)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:50 PM

590. I'm defending a medically proven phenomenon that ruins the lives of millions all around the

world. The question is - WHO are you defending??

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Response to polly7 (Reply #590)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:55 PM

592. Easy. The DU Community that doesn't tolerate racist and homophobes

The question is - WHO are you defending??

That was easy...now that you know, you can chill and take your nap.

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #592)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:02 AM

594. It shouldn't tolerate ignorance either.

I'm fine, you tired yet?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #594)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:11 AM

596. So take it up with Skinner and EarlG since you feel the need to 'educate'

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #596)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:13 AM

597. Ah ............ stuff it. You remind me of someone I'd dearly love to forget. nt.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #597)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:19 AM

599. I remind you of your ex??

Seriously, if your anger is about poor Willie's Teat, then go talk to Skinner and EarlG. All your faux anger towards people in this thread is making you look more silly than normal. "Millions of victims" LOL...whatever, man.




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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #599)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:28 AM

601. Willie's 'Teat'? Wtf are you rambling about now?

You're the angry one, remember?

Do you believe the world ends at your borders? Still claim that Stockholm Syndrome is just a 'thing' used to be racist towards blacks (not all minorities, mind you - especially not women)? You never answered any of my questions regarding the Clintons harmful policies - are they not a 'thing'? Shouldn't you be angrier about your poor Willie's 'Teat'? Seems to me they did a fuck of a lot more harm to millions than WillyT's copy and paste article mentioning a medical truth. But ....... like, man ........ whatever.

P.S. Copying strange little gifs to try to run away from real discussion isn't really all that convincing, ya know?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #601)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:38 AM

603. Nope, not angry...

Just frustrated that I have to deal with a racist apologist like yourself.

I don't have to respond to your non-sequiturs when you have a problem with Skinner and EarlG. Remember, you don't have to convince me....your 'truth' is limited to Willie and the other racists.

P.S. You know you need to get on the gif bandwagon! It will make you feel better and not be so angry!! You should just admit that you miss your boy...it's cool, man...we'll understand!

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #603)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:43 AM

619. You can go on spouting all your nasty little insults until you start foaming

at the mouth.

Doesn't bother me one way or the other.

Btw ................ how about all those Clinton policies towards minorities questions I asked? Still no answers? (Not sure you're the sharpest knife in the drawer, so don't worry too much if you can't explain how they devastated so many).

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:19 AM

5. Yeah...

I figured it was better to rip the band-aid off, so to speak, and get it all in one thread.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:23 AM

11. Suspects? Suspects of what, exactly? Suspects of intolerance of racism and homophobia?

Pffft. Suspects.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:40 AM

27. +1

If "suspects" are people who don't put up with racism and sexism at DU, sign me up.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:50 AM

40. Me three.

I can't believe some of the garbage I've read here recently.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:22 PM

187. Sign me up too

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:03 PM

211. Same here.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:13 PM

219. ageism and bigotry against religions are fine, however.

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Response to greymouse (Reply #219)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:34 PM

237. Especially religion

I've dealt with that for years on here

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #237)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:09 PM

253. I'm sorry about that, and it probably won't stop.

I get tired of that, too. All people need to do is give a little respect.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #253)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:27 PM

348. I just stay out of the religion forums

it's easier that way

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Response to greymouse (Reply #219)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:59 PM

365. Geographical Bigotry is also allowed.

Has been from the start.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:23 PM

262. Add me to that list of suspects.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:06 PM

342. Me too.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:08 PM

399. With you!

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Response to gollygee (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:03 AM

610. +1

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:54 AM

51. Exactly!

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:06 AM

74. +1. eom.

 

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:25 AM

99. Agreed

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:58 PM

206. I'm proud to join that club.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:42 PM

242. >>>>Usual suspect here<<<<



Racist trolls don't belong here. Their enablers are just as vile.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:20 PM

403. usual suspect here nt

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:31 AM

14. And plenty of rationalizations from his fan club

 

And plenty of rationalizations from his fan club as to why we should tolerate racist sentiments.

(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as irrelevant and petulant as the other)

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:23 PM

228. Yep

To my shock I learned here in December, it is perfectly ok here to post antisemitic and holocaust-denial websites and their conspiracy theories as long as they are against Sanders. It's just post and comments against HRC that are not allowed.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:49 AM

37. Read the "Reason" for the ban.

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Response to George II (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:54 AM

49. read what I said in post #6

I never said that what he posted was acceptable.

but some things are more acceptable than others around here.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #49)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:57 AM

56. I leave it up to those who OWN this site to determine what is "more acceptable", thank you.

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Response to George II (Reply #56)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:58 AM

57. SURE you do.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #57)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:12 AM

81. He'd been throwing that "Stockholm Syndrome" crap at people since last spring, and...

...he was taken to task for it. Raising it again and calling ALL AAs "battered wives" obviously was the last straw.

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Response to George II (Reply #56)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:08 AM

78. And, apparently racist and heterosexist comments are NOT acceptable. Thank the universe.

 

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:02 AM

63. Suspected of what exactly? Denouncing his blatant and shameful race baiting?

 

Then, I'm happy to consider myself among the so-called suspects.

Well done Admins. and none too soon. He's been flying too close to the wind for quite some time.

used in his remembrance. LOL!

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:03 AM

66. I won't get to see any of it, thankfully

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:40 AM

118. I'm grateful to the admins. He didn't represent Democratic values with that racist invective. nt

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:09 PM

173. If by "the usual suspects" you mean "non racists"

Then, yes.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:15 PM

178. I'll dance.

 

It's been a while since I've been called a usual suspect, but if it means not wanting racists on DU, I'm in.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #178)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:52 PM

336. Pinto...

 

the gif in your sig line- is that Jed Clampett? I can't stop looking at it.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #336)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:29 PM

350. Yes. Quite the dancer. /nt

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #350)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:33 PM

353. I never saw that one. nt

 

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #353)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:40 PM

355. Here's a vid clip

 



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Response to pintobean (Reply #178)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 PM

406. That gif is hilarious! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #406)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:21 PM

529. I am from Orlando...He Went to Rollins College...

So did Chris Russo and Anthony Hopkins. My buddy who was a Rollins alum told me when the latter came back to speak he asked the dean where he could buy some weed.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #529)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:32 PM

537. Ha-no wonder he was so mellow!

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:46 PM

202. you mean from people who don't think black people should be derided for the political choices?

 

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:31 PM

267. "Usual suspects?"

Suspects of what, exactly? You're apparently referring to DUers who oppose racism and prejudice. DUers who object to using terms like "battered wives" to refer to people of color who choose to vote for the candidate they prefer.

Of what are they suspected? Such opinions are actually quite progressive, after all. So, are they suspected of being progressives?

I don't think your statement is very clear, really. Also, the poster being discussed regularly searched for and posted just about anything available in opposition to President Obama, starting right after his inauguration in 2008. So, are the "suspects" to whom you refer supporters of our Democratic President?

See, I think that phrase is much misused by people who don't actually understand what it means.

I can't say I'm sad to see that poster gone from DU. I stopped reading most of his posts a long time ago. I grew weary of constant attacks on duly elected Democrats from questionable sources.

I suppose I'm one of the "usual suspects" you mentioned. I'm OK with that, though.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:07 PM

392. Please add me to the list of the usual suspects. Willy got what he deserved.

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:18 AM

4. I found his comments in that original OP to be reprehensible.

I missed this other one, but I think this banning was overdue and well-deserved.

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:19 AM

7. Thanks for the information.

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:21 AM

8. "comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist."

Ah, yes.

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:22 AM

9. Bye, Felicia!

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:22 AM

10. Good riddance to racist trash.nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:57 PM

205. Color me clueless - I always thought Willy was a PoC...

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Response to jonno99 (Reply #205)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:15 PM

221. Nope

I've met him. He's white.

I'm glad that kind of crap is no longer acceptable here.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #221)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:18 PM

223. Agreed, Willy went over the top. Thanks for the info. nt

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:27 AM

12. Happy Friday everyone! n/t

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Response to seaglass (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:29 PM

379. It's been a fabulous week, hasn't it?

A really good, really fabulous week.

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Response to cyberswede (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:28 AM

13. So the purge has begun.

A little early this time but completely expected.

Enjoy your echo chamber where independent thought is discouraged.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:36 AM

15. Meanwhile...

 

You have someone who received 6 hides in one day, including three 7-0 and two 6-1 jury votes and actually posted "Fuck you! I am so fucking done with this site!" now allowed amnesty and posting pretty consistently yet again.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:39 AM

24. Who? Please PM me.

Trying to keep track of all the background infighting on this website. Very tough to do AND keep track of the important issues.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:41 AM

32. Me.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:54 AM

52. You're such a "special" guy.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:55 AM

55. I did apologize and he graciously accepted. It was my fault and I acknowledge that.

 

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:42 AM

33. The poster I said that to graciously accepted my apology.

 

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:47 AM

36. Yep. Let the fucking trolls out of their cages and watch the fun.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:49 AM

38. Maybe Skinner will change his mind

 

Then there will be many HRC supporters with more than 10 hides and they'll get a long time off.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:51 AM

45. I doubt it

 

The whole point of the amnesty was to get the Hillary supporters back in here. I don't foresee any time in the future where the policy will change until it favors them.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:53 AM

46. You are likely correct

 

We can mock them on their hide counts at least.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:05 AM

69. Indeed you can

You can not, however, mock us on our delegate count.

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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:11 AM

80. Supporters get delegates too?

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #80)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:07 PM

172. I think it was DWS's idea.

Sounds fair....

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #172)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:18 PM

260. lol

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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:19 AM

93. Boom!

 

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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:22 AM

95. Well played!

 

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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:42 AM

129. Touché! nt

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:30 AM

104. Well Bernie supporters say things heave that Hillary folks get hidden for.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:54 AM

50. Is it not funny how anything Hillary Clinton infects starts operating just like a Clinton?

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:16 AM

88. To honesty answer your question...

No. It is not funny. A better description, IMO, would be "symptomatic."

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:32 PM

236. Oh, really??? So what does it say that Sanders supporters

alert stalked and tried to bully into silence all the Hillary supporters here?

Or how allergic many of them are to dissent?

Or how they cannot respect the boundaries of a protected group because heavens forbid someone disagrees with them somewhere on the internet - even in a place that is specifically *not* designed for them?

That is rich coming from the Bernie side of DU. Just too rich.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:13 PM

401. I am confused here????

Skinner only gave amnestry to Hill supporters? No BSers were on time out?

Wow. that could be read many different ways.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:02 AM

64. LOL. Let me go all RubioGlitch on you

Let's dispense with the notion that Skinner doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Problem is it has to be done carefully because they might need our votes. (She will NEVER have my vote for anything but a vote for "Guilty as charged"

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:12 PM

217. They only need hits counts for ad revenue. That's the bottom line.

 

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:19 PM

225. Are you for real? nt

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:40 PM

334. There are other places you might be happier. If you just tell Skinner how you really feel...

...it might help with that emotional stress you're having.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:07 PM

169. Oh Lord

So only Hillary supporters are the bad guys eh? I think it's about even from what I have been reading.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:07 PM

251. Hnk!


no.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:13 AM

458. The only power that Sanders supporters here was the jury system. Now we have nothing. They

 

hated that we are the majority. They thought purging the most outspoken would intimidate us. Many progressive have left but not because they were intimidated. It's their site and if they want to require everyone to bow before the Clinton Aristocracy, it's their choice.

I hoped to debate issues here but Clinton supporters have never discussed issues except to say they support Clinton's position whatever it might be. She is tough and that's enough.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #458)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:27 AM

464. "The only power that Sanders supporters here was the jury system"

 

I assume "here" was supposed to be "had", but that's quite the admission. It shows that Skinner was dead on, and that abuse continues. The hidden posts in this thread make it obvious that Skinner's warning is being ignored.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #464)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:39 AM

465. You have the Admins on your side, you dominate MIRT and the Host Forums, you dominate

 

the alerts, locks and hides. The only people that get banned are progressives. You've declared war on us. We at least had the jury system to keep the bullies at bay. Now Skinner has turned the bullies lose and told them there would be no retrobution for violating Community Standards.

Progressives have an uphill fight for the 99% against the domination of the bullies of Big Money. Why should it be different here.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #465)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:01 AM

466. I'm a neutral observer.

 

Funny, both sides accuse neutrals of being on the other side. What a wacky mindset.

But, you just admitted to your side dominating and abusing the jury system. I laugh at your continued claims of being dominated by what you claim is only 20% of DUers.

Either you're completely wrong, your math is really bad, or it's something akin to Stockholm Syndrome that keeps you suppressed.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #466)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:53 PM

504. LOL!

Either you're completely wrong, your math is really bad, or it's something akin to Stockholm Syndrome that keeps you suppressed.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #465)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:35 AM

472. ...



Sid

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #458)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:44 PM

627. Not all day and not always exercised in a partisan way.

I jury a lot. I have seen hides on the right that were richly deserved and hides on the right that were ridiculous. However, I have also seen posts on this board and screen caps elsewehere by the right that said they were trying to drive us off the board. So, deliberate baiting from the right was going on. I never saw the counterpart of those posts on the left. And I saw posts on the left that never should have been hidden, too. I saw more posts on the left that never should have been hidden than I saw deserved hides on the left.

So either the left did not always control juries or jurors on the left were shooting down posters on the left for no good reason. I tend to think the latter was not happening.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:12 PM

218. That sounds like a quote of Caligula... ________ n/t

 

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:51 AM

44. I think they were trying the amnesty, etc to see if it worked. It seems

that it is not. The admins are very good about changing their mind when it is needed and they see a policy is not working as they hoped it would.

Be patient and don't give up on DU.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #44)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:28 PM

530. It's ironic that posters with five hundred posts are trashing posters with ten thousands of posts...

It's ironic that posters with five hundred posts are trashing posters with tens of thousands of posts and have contributed to this site for over a decade...

I have never had a time out but have come perilously close because I am in the minority here when it comes to candidate choice. Some of my friends weren't as lucky.

I still have two hides that are absolutely indefensible marring my once stellar record.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:23 AM

97. Is that against the TOS?

 

I know blatant racism is.

Not to defend Justin, but the infractions are not in the same league.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #97)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:26 AM

102. This had to do with the purge comment, not with the WillyT post.

 

And yes, up until two days ago it was against the TOS. Anyone previously stating "Fuck this site" would have received a tombstone in the past and a hearty, well earned, grave dancing thread.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #102)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:30 AM

105. No, it was not against the TOS

 

and people have been doing it for years.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #105)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:32 AM

107. Really?

 

People have been saying "Fuck this site" for years and sticking around? They have been personally attacking other posters and sticking around? They have been given more than 5 hides and allowed to hang around during a normal suspension time?

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #107)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:39 AM

117. Yes

 

We didn't even have suspensions for the first two years of DU3. People racked up hidden posts well into the teens, and some into the twenties. Darkangel did several "Fuck this site" posts. She was banned for other reasons a few weeks ago.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #117)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:23 PM

227. She was???!!1111!!!eleven!!!!

I didn't know that. Thanks!

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Response to pintobean (Reply #117)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:31 PM

381. Holy crap, you're right!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=286706&sub=trans

I had no idea this person had been banned. Good Lord, I knew she was off big time but that explanation message from EarlG shows she was even more screwed up than I thought she was.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #381)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:37 PM

393. Here's a link to a thread like this one about her

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #393)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:13 PM

624. Did you see this?...

She's back in at DI, now cheering for Trump.

http://www.discussionist.com/1015773374

If there was any doubt before, there's none now.



Edit: D'oh! You're in the thread.

Sid

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Response to Number23 (Reply #381)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:39 AM

419. Hmmm - look at the reason given for her banning:

Reason Revoked by
Feb 8, 2016 Frequently on suspension for getting too many posts hidden by Jury, then sending abusive DU mail messages to other members. Final straw was harassing an Asian DU member with an unsolicited message insinuating that they weren't really Asian.


Gee - many of us know someone whom that description fits to a freakin' T! (Except for the specific details of a specific PM, of course)
Frequently on suspension for too many hides - check (and of her posts that aren't hidden, a large percent of them are posted just to stir up shit. she thrives on it, and has even admitted that she is only pretending to support a certain candidate in order to piss people off.)
Sending abusive DU mail messages - check

many people are aware of whom I am talking about, and we have wondered for months and months why she is still here - especially since, in addition to the 2 "sins" listed for angelfire, she has admitted that she is trolling.

WHY???

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Response to kath (Reply #419)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:07 PM

534. And I have no doubt that your bitter, endless fascination and tears are sweet nectar to her soul

as well as endless entertainment to many others. I wonder why many people are still here as well.

So by all means, keep whining about her. Seriously.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #105)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:37 AM

113. Here you go, from the TOS.

 

Don't do anything else which is similarly disruptive.

Just because it isn't listed here, doesn't mean it's ok. If you post anything which is obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community, its members, or its values, you risk being in violation of these Terms of Service.

If something is voted on by a jury and receives a vote of 7-0 to hide, I would say that the community has found it in violation of this very term. If someone has 6 hides in a day, and only received 8 votes total in their favor, i would say the community has definitely spoken that it violates the terms of service.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #113)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:41 AM

121. You don't have a say in who gets banned

 

or why.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #121)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:42 AM

125. No, but you asked if that was against the TOS

 

It was against the TOS and that poster was put on suspension, which were the terms until two days ago. I didn't say ban the poster, but exceptions to the TOS have obviously been made.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #125)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:57 AM

153. No, that's you interpreting a catch-all clause to fit your needs.

 

You don't get to decide what that means.
Admin has been fairly tolerant and consistent in their interpretation and enforcement of the TOS.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #153)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:41 PM

241. Okay, the TOS includes this statement::

 


"""
Don't do anything else which is similarly disruptive.

Just because it isn't listed here, doesn't mean it's ok. If you post anything which is obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community, its members, or its values, you risk being in violation of these Terms of Service.
"""


Is comment # 36 not "disruptive" or "malicious" or "repugnant to this community" ?
- 36. Yep. Let the fucking trolls out of their cages and watch the fun. -

"fucking trolls..." = other DU members, yes?
Is that not maliciousness aimed at other DU members?


How about # 52 ?
- 52. You're such a "special" guy. with puke "smiley" -
Malicious sarcasm, obviously.


And no, I'm not planning to send an alert as some DU members might.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #245)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:01 PM

249. Nope, I'm not asking for anything but an explanation. I was asking you if YOU think the examples

 

that I quoted violated the TOS.

You seem to have a good idea so I thought you could share some light on the posts that I quoted. To me, they seemed pretty "malicious" toward DU members and they do not reflect the "values" that DU'ers are to adhere to... Do you agree? Did you read those quotes?







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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #113)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:45 AM

134. You can always request I be banned.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #134)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:50 AM

139. Again, not requesting that

 

I do believe you should have had to serve out your suspension though based on the quality of the hides. I can understand some people having questionable 4-3 hides and getting a second look. In your case, you received only 8 votes in your favor over six hides that contained fairly personal attacks. But, that's my opinion which is not shared by many or the administrators.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #139)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:52 AM

145. To be honest I agree with you pov. I would have been happy to do so because I deserved it.

 

But Skinner was gracious and I appreciated the amnesty.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:44 AM

132. Oh, be still my beating heart! Fuck you?

:pearls clutched:

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #132)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:47 AM

136. It had nothing to do with pearl clutching

 

It had to do with the standards of the site. If we are cool with saying "fuck this site" and compounding 7-0 hides with impunity, then hey, let's turn this place into the wild west. Based on this amnesty, I think we can assume that is cool, as long as you support the right person.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #136)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:25 PM

230. That's pretty much it.

 

The rules are hard and fast for some, and for others, a nice little 'apology' is enough to set things right.

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Response to Marr (Reply #230)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:27 PM

232. The individual I did that to accepted my apology.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #232)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:37 PM

238. That's really beside the point.

 

The fact is that people of a certain political stripe get much more leeway around here with their offensive posts and hides. I think we'd both acknowledge that right-wing types are easily banned-- and rightly so. But I'd say it extends to the left as well. I think it's fairly obvious, when you look at who gets banned here and who does not over the long haul.

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Response to Marr (Reply #238)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:45 PM

244. Well all I can say is I was grateful for not being banned.

 

And Willyt was banned for posting a racist op. He was warned.

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Response to Marr (Reply #238)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:01 PM

339. The reason more leftists get banned ...

Is because they are such a high percentage of the posters on DU. Per capita, more will get banned.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #339)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:53 PM

360. Could be. Good point. /nt

 

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #132)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:07 PM

171. "Fuck this site" may be a TOS violation; saying "fuck you" or similar attacks is a Community

Standards violation.
very many here don't seem to remember that the Community Standards thing exists, or comprehend the difference between the two.

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Response to kath (Reply #171)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:19 PM

182. Yeah I was wrong Kath. I admit that.

 

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:51 AM

141. To be accurate

 

Seven hides in one day, including one telling the poster to go to hell. Not a nice thing from a devout Xstian who truly believes in a place of eternal torment.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #141)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:24 PM

188. Scott you know I don't believe in hell and haven't you been on several timeouts?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #188)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:57 PM

294. Sure you do, justin..we all do

 

And can you confirm that it was actually seven hides in one day, and not six? That's a record I don't think I'll ever approach.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #294)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:58 PM

296. But you have more time outs? I had 3.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #296)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:09 PM

300. But you regret yours, and still keep getting bounced

 

I don't regret mine.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #300)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:11 PM

301. I regret my last one. My first two were bogus.

 

But hey Scott thanks for your good thoughts. I always know you have my best interests at heart.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #301)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:22 PM

312. It's true

 

I was in fact the only one who tried to get people to pray for you. If they'd actually done that instead of banning me from the prayer circle, you might have made it back even sooner, dude.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #312)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:27 PM

316. Thank God for you Scott!

 

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #294)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:15 PM

305. here's someone with 10 in one day

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #305)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:23 PM

313. Reading the hidden posts I can see why

 

I guess if you are going to go with it, go big.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:00 PM

159. And that was the third vacation for that one, for having similar anger-control issues (not 7 at once

,mind you, but piled up one or two at a time to get him to 5)

A good buddy of his, frequently on timeout but just got back from one before the brilliant amnesty went into effect, got a hide last night for a post saying "fuck you". That one also specializes in calling other DUers "motherfuckers" when he is feeling angry.

Then there are the ones who live just to stir the shit here...

Ain't it just great that so many people like this were let loose all at once?

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Response to kath (Reply #159)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:22 PM

186. Kath you can always advocate for my banning in ATA.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #620)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:45 PM

621. 'Flagged for review' may be the new purgatory

I believe we are going to be discovering 'Flagged for review' is like The Roach Motel: Roaches check in, but they don't check out!!!!

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #621)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:47 PM

622. That is a great way to put it but yes you maybe right.

 

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:12 PM

174. More than one of that kind.

 

It all depends on which candidate one supports.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:52 PM

273. The amnesty is for Clinton supporters.

 

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:36 AM

16. He has been a target for a long time

 

But the OP that did it is not one I would have ever considered posting. It was bad.

I will still never vote for Hillary though.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:05 AM

71. Why was he a target?

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #71)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:13 AM

83. Because he regularly posted racist and sexist claptrap.

 

Seems progressives and liberals don't like racist and sexist claptrap.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #83)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:21 AM

94. But, apparently, it seems some "progressives" and "liberals" don't mind ...

 

so long as one supports the same candidate as they do.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:26 AM

101. .

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:41 AM

120. Indeed

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:18 AM

91. Yes ... He has been a target for a long time BECAUSE ...

 

he has been posting racist and heterosexist stuff for a long while.

Just saying ...

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:52 PM

246. Well, I reckon you'll be looking for a new website.

Looks like many will be leaving us since they hate DU so much, as well as hating our most-likely nominee.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #246)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:18 PM

307. The 'most-likely' nominee is on the corporate payroll.

 

That's plenty of reason to dislike her, at least when one opposes things like Citizens United.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #307)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:53 PM

322. As I said, many of you will be happy to find greener pastures.

I'm sure the grass is greener elsewhere.

Once she is the nominee, these type slurs will be frowned upon - or so I hope.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #322)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:07 PM

323. I had already found a greener pasture that the barren ideological wasteland of the Democratic Party.

 

I re-registered only to vote for Bernie in the Oregon Primary. Once that has concluded, I will again leave the Party that has put itself in opposition to progressive policy.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #323)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:18 PM

327. So why are you here on DU?

Sounds like this is not the place for you.

Too bad.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #327)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:27 PM

330. It is my best interests for the Democratic Party to move back toward being the Party of Labor,

 

so I try to share my vision on DU in the hopes that casual visitors to the site will see that not all Democrats are in the tank for Wall Street cronies.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #330)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:30 PM

332. Ok, well I respect that. (Not the way you phrased it lol, but I respect your point.)

I'm on the record here as saying I hope Bernie keeps on going.

I think he's been good for our party, and I do think he can influence Hillary's platform.

I've been very satisfied with our candidates.

I will happily vote for whomever is nominated.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #332)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:43 PM

335. I can't in good conscience rant and rave about how Citizens United is destroying our Democracy

 

and then turn around and vote for someone who is taking advantage of it.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #335)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:29 PM

349. We're lucky enough to have been born into a country where we can vote as we see fit.