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Gold Metal Flake

(13,805 posts)
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:36 PM Jun 2012

"I don't want everybody to vote."



"Now many of our Christians have what I call the "goo goo" syndrome. Good Government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

Paul Weyrich Founder of ALEC



Just a friendly reminder.
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"I don't want everybody to vote." (Original Post) Gold Metal Flake Jun 2012 OP
Put that nut in a can and madashelltoo Jun 2012 #1
Yep. Welcome to DU. freshwest Jun 2012 #8
Amen to that! Bozita Jun 2012 #17
Paul Weyrich died . . . aggiesal Jun 2012 #22
DB tk2kewl Jun 2012 #2
and after Wisconsin, get this OUT, elleng Jun 2012 #3
pass a small law MrYikes Jun 2012 #4
Good idea. National holidays or mandates for voting would help, too. freshwest Jun 2012 #7
no shit sherlock barbtries Jun 2012 #5
American fascism Enrique Jun 2012 #6
What do you call someone who's anti-democracy? Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #9
A Republican. Bake Jun 2012 #11
Weyrich was a founder of ALEC? KamaAina Jun 2012 #10
and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation think tank chknltl Jun 2012 #14
ALEC? I know he was a co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, but Raine1967 Jun 2012 #12
That fucking traitor gets around, don't he? nm Gold Metal Flake Jun 2012 #15
"Apathy is much more a trait of disillusioned Democrats than of delusional Republicans." SunSeeker Jun 2012 #13
I want people to keep this in mind Scootaloo Jun 2012 #16
This is why eaglesfanintn Jun 2012 #18
From my DU WayBack machine: "Why I’m even voting, while I can." (October 2002) TahitiNut Jun 2012 #19
have that saved on youtube as a reminder florida08 Jun 2012 #20
Well if that ain't democracy... Blue Owl Jun 2012 #21
Thom Hartmann plays that clip all the time on his show. I didn't realize Weyrich founded ALEC... Stardust Jun 2012 #23

madashelltoo

(1,696 posts)
1. Put that nut in a can and
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:38 PM
Jun 2012

CRUSH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE, PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT, BECAUSE IT DOES!!!!!!!!!!!

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
22. Paul Weyrich died . . .
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jun 2012

December 18, 2008

From Wikipedia (I know not the best source)
In 1996, Weyrich was diagnosed with a spinal injury known as arachnoiditis, resulting from a 1996 fall on black ice. From 2001 until his death in 2008, his injury left him in a wheelchair and in chronic pain. Complications from that fall required a bilateral, below the knee amputation of his legs in July 2005.

Weyrich died on December 18, 2008, aged 66, at Inova Fair Oaks Hospital in Fairfax, Virginia. He was at the hospital for routine tests, and the cause of death was not released. In addition to his spinal injury and amputations, Weyrich also suffered from diabetes. He was interred in Fairfax Memorial Park in Fairfax, Virginia on December 22, 2008.

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I bet he still got medicare!!!

elleng

(130,865 posts)
3. and after Wisconsin, get this OUT,
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jun 2012

let the world know that Repugs DON'T WANT people TO VOTE,
along with mcconnell's 'job,' to assure that President Obama is a One-Term President. These 2 'memes' should carry a lot of weight with Independents and 'Uncertains,' imo.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
9. What do you call someone who's anti-democracy?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jun 2012

Who has worked all his life for government of some of the people, by some of the people, for some of the people?

Paul Weyrich is unAmerican in the truest sense of the word. There is nothing wrong with advocating for your opinion and working to get your ideas accepted in the mainstream, no matter what they are. But to work against people voting is shameful in a free society. If there is a taboo in our society, this should be it. Yet Weyrich is proud of his anti-democracy views. He believes it to be commanded in his Bible.

To hell with this asshole.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
11. A Republican.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jun 2012

That's what you call him.

But I've got a few other names for them that I won't write down ...

Bake

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
10. Weyrich was a founder of ALEC?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jun 2012

Ved-dy in-ta-des-tink. One of the original religious wrong leaders, Weyrich supposedly stepped back from electoral politics after it was clear he wasn't going to be able to impose an Iran-style theocracy any time soon.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
14. and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation think tank
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:35 PM
Jun 2012

I think the heritage foundation is a major republican talking points contributor to fox news, not sure where I heard that though. Thom Hartmann the most likely source as he talks frequently about Weyrich and how the repubs are following his teachings.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
12. ALEC? I know he was a co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, but
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:26 PM
Jun 2012

I wasn't aware that he helped to found ALEC.

Oh wait, I see what is at his Wiki page: [quote]Over the next two decades, Weyrich founded, co-founded, or held prominent roles in a number of other notable conservative organizations. Among them, he was founder of the American Legislative Exchange Council, an organization of state legislators; a co-founder of the Council for National Policy, a strategy-formulating organization for social conservatives; co-publisher of the magazine Conservative Digest; and national chairman of Coalitions for America, an association of conservative activist organizations. The CSFC, reorganized into the Free Congress Foundation, also remained active.[/quote]

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
13. "Apathy is much more a trait of disillusioned Democrats than of delusional Republicans."
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:35 PM
Jun 2012

Props to Jackpine Radical for the quote. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002767638

That's why they want us disillusioned. Don't let the assholes get you down. Vote. Always vote.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
16. I want people to keep this in mind
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 03:17 PM
Jun 2012
Government does not work unless you participate. Period, absolutely, no buts or what-ifs. If you are not involved, you will not get the government you want.

Don't just vote. petition, Protest. Run as candidates. Attend city council meetings or whatever else you've got. if a politician is coming to your neck of the woods, try to bend their ear - even if they're not Democrats, make yourself heard. Our system of government may not be an open-market mass democracy, but it still relies on constant input by large numbers of citizens.

One hideous feature of modern leftism is this nihilistic apathy. The idea that "well, they're all the same," or that "voting doesn't change anything," or "like, don't get involved in the system, man." That somehow, getting involved is bad, while non-involvement will change everything. its most recent expression was in 2010 when a lot of people really, honestly seemed to believe that handing victories to the fascists would move things to the left.

We need to abandon this shit attitude.

eaglesfanintn

(82 posts)
18. This is why
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 04:18 PM
Jun 2012

they are working so hard to pass laws making it harder to vote. They'd bring back the poll tax if they could.
We are, as a whole, a nation of pretty smart people. Why we can't come up with ways that get a greater percentage of our citizenry out to vote is beyond me.
It's interesting that in many polls you see things like people in favor of gay marriage, in favor of legalizing marijuana, pro-choice and in favor of many (if not all) of the pieces of the Affordable Health Care Act. But, when it comes to who shows up at the polls, it's a different story.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
19. From my DU WayBack machine: "Why I??m even voting, while I can." (October 2002)
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=10175&forum=DCForumID60&archive=
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[center][font size="4"]Why I’m even voting, while I can.[/font][/center]
There has been much heat and a little light, within this forum, in our nation, and in our world. In my opinion, today’s “issues” (as defined by others often for their own convenience) are less about war, peace, left, right, crime, regulation, stock markets, jobs, or terrorism than about democracy itself. We live at a time when our founding first principles are under assault, and we are on the front line whether we yet realize this or not. It is not terrorists engaging in this assault; it is the force of our own fears, ignorance, and mutual animosities that threaten us, and threaten our democratic principles as a nation.

First Principles

“As most of the evils which have taken place in private life, and among individuals, have been occasioned by the desire of private interest overcoming the public affections, so most of the evils which have taken place among bodies of men have been occasioned by the desire of their own interest overcoming the principle of universal benevolence and leading them to attack one another's territories, to encroach on one another's rights, and to endeavour to build their own advancement on the degradation of all within the reach of their power.”
[p align=right] — Richard Price, A Discourse on the Love of our Country (1789)
http://www.constitution.org/price/price_8.htm
The inherent virtues and vices of a democratic system of governance are neither more nor less than the virtues and vices of the People themselves. (The same cannot be said of any other principle of governance, in any respect.) This was articulated far more completely and deeply than I could ever repeat by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay, and by Jefferson, Paine, and others. From them, we inherited a precariously balanced system of governance that sought to inhibit both a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of any minority; that sought to protect the rights and liberties of all, while placing that very protection under our own authority where it rightfully belongs in justice and equity. Who can more rightfully claim the fruits, whether sweet or sour, of their political labors than the People themselves?

Within our system of governance, there is one and only one mechanism that’s democratic: an election, wherein the sovereign authority of the People is voiced in our vote, which must be heard, fully, completely, and accurately. When it comes to democratic self-governance, this is the leash; all else is the beast.

In this, I will not compromise or retreat. Yet I’ve seen exactly that. Overtly and hypocritically, I have seen the voice of the People stifled, distorted, muffled, and ignored — like never before in our history. I have seen the informed will of the People thrown into disarray by a plague of misdirection, falsehoods, deception, secrecy, predatory exploitation of public media, and extensive corruption at the apex of corporate, religious, and governmental institutions. Yet I still see many of us neurotically seeking “leaders” rather than custodians, parents rather than partners, bosses rather than coworkers, and entertainers rather than teachers.


A Declaration of Codependence?

Rather than hearing the clear voice and informed will of the People, we are told what we think, what we want, what we know, and how ignorant and uneducated we are. After we witness an atrocity in our neighborhood, we’re told to go shopping. Like repressed children, the self-proclaimed sovereign adults of governance instruct us to be seen and not heard. Then like disturbed children, we throw the tantrums of “Billy did it first!” and “My daddy can beat up your daddy!”

We proclaim “In God We Trust” and deludedly accept the exhortation of “Trust Me” from our public servants while, in collusion with one another and corpulently corrupt corporate carpetbaggers, they steal food from our neighbors’ gardens, steal medicines from our elderly, mortgage our children’s futures, and pillage our savings. Is it any wonder that our neighbors are losing their respect for us?

When an (arguably) elected President, ethically answerable to the People, unilaterally chooses to throw off the agreed-to restraints of International Law and Constitutional doctrine and pursue the conquest of a foreign nation, under the presumptive rationale that their political processes are undemocratic and their head of state is illegitimate and a threat to others; and when he then orchestrates a media parade of imagined horribles, I’m reminded of the bogeymen misguided parents employ to cow incompliant children, employing coercion not reason and honesty, dominated by fear rather than mutual love and respect.

I’m also reminded of the psychology of projection and that we were once asked "why behold thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in thine own eye?

It is not Congress to whom a President must report in promotion of a causus belli, it is the People. So also is it the People to whom the Congress must answer in exercising their delegated authority under the Constitution to engage our nation in a war or not — not their political party and not the President. Just as corrupt Executives have been facilitated in their predation by compliant Boards of Directors ignoring their fiduciary duties, the seductions of partisan allegiance in lieu of democratic duty corrupts our body politic.

It is also not Congress, even in collusion with an (arguably) elected President, that’s legitimately empowered to override the Bill of Rights when, neither informed nor with consent, they enact the cynically marketed “Patriot Act”. Such a heinous act, in presuming to ignore the very human rights and civil liberties under which any and all legitimacy of the Congress is formed, is an atrocity against democracy — an atrocity only the People can legitimately commit themselves.


For What or For Whom?

I will vote for the People — and for democracy itself. I can, in good conscience, vote for no other and none other. In the Maslov-like hierarchy of political needs, all else has become (sadly) secondary. I will raise my solo voice through the vote, through interactions with others, through communication with my elected representatives, through protests and dissents, and through any other avenue not yet denied me. If my solo voice becomes part of a chorus of democracy, singing the lyrics of liberty, I will be glad. But no matter what, I will not be silenced and will not retreat as long as there’s breath in my lungs and blood in my heart. I cannot, with any self-respect, do less.


Last Principles

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

[p align=right] — Declaration of Independence (Adopted in Congress 4 July 1776)
http://www.constitution.org/usdeclar.htm
The destruction of our democracy would not be the end — merely another beginning. While, like the cycle of birth and death, it may certainly be painful and agonizing, it is inevitable. It is inevitable since, as history has shown, tyrannies cannot survive. Whatever it’s lesser structural accoutrements may be, democracy will prevail. We may not see it in our lifetimes, but the will of People who aspire to justice, freedom, equity, and polity will prevail. Of this, I am certain.

And the last shall be first.

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For the theory, see http://www.constitution.org/pd/pd.htm

florida08

(4,106 posts)
20. have that saved on youtube as a reminder
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jun 2012

He's dead now but his infamy continues. He's right though and that's what needs to change today. If you love your country you must protect it for yourself and children from the oligarchs. It's been an ongoing battle for decades but never more important than right now for people to get informed, participate and vote. Our record isn't good.

http://www.idea.int/vt/country_view.cfm?id=231



Stardust

(3,894 posts)
23. Thom Hartmann plays that clip all the time on his show. I didn't realize Weyrich founded ALEC...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jun 2012

Now I despise him even more. What a cretin!

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