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rpannier

(24,329 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:25 PM Mar 2016

Coming to the Democratic Party... The Neocons?

First, let me start by saying... this is not about Hillary Clinton
So, if you're salivating at another 'I hate Hillary' forget it

For those who don't know some background
In 1965, Irving Kristol wrote in the first issue of The Public Interest that, "it is the nature of ideology to preconceive reality; and that it is exactly such preconceptions that are the worst hindrances to knowing-what-one-is-talking-about.”
Yeah... Irving and Bill are related. Surprised. Don't be

Bill Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz, two neocon-types were at one time Democrats; Bill Kristol served as deputy issues director of Pat Moynihan's 1976 U.S. Senate campaign. Paul Wolfowitz, along with Ricard Perle worked for Sen Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, Wolfowitz was even U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Regional Programs for the U.S. Defense Department during the Carter Administration.
Kristol and other neocons fled the Democratic Party during the Carter administration infuriated over his support for Palestinian statehood. Wolfowitz quietly left in 1980 to go into teaching at Johns Hopkins.
He returned to national politics under the Reagan Administration as Director of Policy Planning. Unlike Kristol, Wolfowitz was much more critical of Reagan policy, opposing teh sale of AWACS to the Saudis, opposing the Kirkpatrick Doctrine on policies involving dictators and opposing giving or selling arms to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War.

How does this play into the Neocons moving to the Democrats or at least some of them.

Trump does not spew all the 'important' neocon rhetoric that they want to hear.
The neocons oppose any deal with Iran. Ted Cruz and his ilk oppose the deal and would rush off to Jerusalem and stand next to Bibi to show their unwavering support for Israel. Cruz believes under the deal that everyone and their cousin will die.
As he said last year, "Europeans will die! Americans will die! Israelis will die!" in his assessment.
Trump, at the same conference said he thinks it's a bad deal and he could negotiate a better one. He doesn't, at least publicly, oppose a deal with Iran, he thinks that he could get a better deal. (of course he does, because Donald will bring about an era of economic stability and unicorns) In case you're wondering how he comes to this conclusion, other than Obama who Forrest loves to blame for everything... he claims the Persians have read his book, 'The Art of the Deal.' All of them in their government have read it mind you.

In February, Trump said he would be a neutral mediator in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He said “Let me be sort of a neutral guy…. You understand a lot of people have gone down in flames trying to make that deal ..."

While in Alabama Trump said this on Iraq, "We’re going to be there for another 20 years! We can’t do it! Look, we’ve spent 2 trillion dollars in Iraq. We have absolutely nothing.”
And on fighting ISIS, “What’s wrong with having Russia work with us instead of always fighting, fighting? What’s wrong with having Russia drop bombs all the hell over ISIS? What’s wrong with that?”

These are things that are disturbing neoconservatives like Robert Kagan and Max Boot. Boot is so upset he claims to be losing sleep over Trump (poor baby. Maybe he needs comfier sheets or something. Because if the number of dead don't cause him lose sleep, Trump being president causing it, is just pathetic)
Boot has also said that Clinton is preferable to Trump.
Robert Kagan has written several articles of his revulsion to Trump. He compared Trump to the 'plague on THebes'. He admits that Trump is a creation of the Republican Party, but he claims he's a product of the Tea Party as if the Tea Party were somehow a separate entity from the Republican Party and neocon theory.

Bill Kristol is probably the most pathetic in his handwringing. In the Weekly Standard Bill wrote (control your gag reflexes people) that Donald is  “a proud defender of greed, an unabashed indulger in adultery, a wanton mocker of the meek (the “losers”) of this world.”
I'm sure that Bill Kristol has always concerned himself with the plight of the meek and has been at the forefront of the opponents of greed.

It isn't Trump's carnival barker campaign or his campaign of racism, it's his foreign policy positions that anger them. His attacks on the poor are typical at faux spews. The faux business guy Varney and the 'dumb guy' as Stewart calls him, both regularly denigrate the poor and have for years -- even when Kristol was there. Never a word was uttered in outrage or even in concern over the network's hatred and mocking of the poor. I must have missed Kristol castigating John 'Never Made it as a Pro-Wrestler' Stoessel and his idiotic attempts to denigrate the homeless.

Kagan and Boot both say they may vote for the Democratic nominee. I'll take their vote. But, we'd be better off without them.
People talk of the 'Big Tent', but face it, there's a point to where the tent gets too big and all the clowns rush in and try to stand at center stage.

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Coming to the Democratic Party... The Neocons? (Original Post) rpannier Mar 2016 OP
great post Enrique Mar 2016 #1
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