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Asshole Chuck Todd. (Original Post) sufrommich Mar 2016 OP
Well, to be fair, Eleanor Roosevelt didn't consult astrologers. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #1
He may not be far off lol. cwydro Mar 2016 #2
Except for the fact that HW Bush was essentially the President in that term..... Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #4
I don't know about that. cwydro Mar 2016 #24
LOL noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #3
She did a pretty good job The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #5
Just say No WhiteTara Mar 2016 #6
GOPers are not known for their factual history since they don't believe in it Iliyah Mar 2016 #7
He was 9 years old when the Reagan admin. began. I'm livetohike Mar 2016 #8
Reagan had a weak mind and was easily influenced from what I have read rurallib Mar 2016 #9
Do you know that to be false? brooklynite Mar 2016 #10
Well,since Eleanor actually knew something about policy, sufrommich Mar 2016 #13
Yeah he's a idiot. She was a well to do racist at one point in life. Did she change? rockfordfile Mar 2016 #11
Well... one of her major accomplishments was DURHAM D Mar 2016 #12
Barf, Joe Scarborough vomiting praises flamingdem Mar 2016 #14
When your grasp of history begins at 1980, sure Blue_Adept Mar 2016 #15
Chuckie Todd flashes his ass, yet again. (nt) Paladin Mar 2016 #16
Did he mean by "influential" controlling access to her hubby? Otherwise,not on the same planet as ER UTUSN Mar 2016 #17
Who's the one in the middle. She seems to be shunned by the others. Must be a Democrat! MoonRiver Mar 2016 #18
Is that Rosalynn Carter, maybe? skypilot Mar 2016 #19
Yip, it's dear Rosalynn. The boys also stand away from Jimmy in pics. UTUSN Mar 2016 #23
Gotta be tough being at 1st lady! MoonRiver Mar 2016 #33
Right... MrScorpio Mar 2016 #20
Chuck - Just say No shadowmayor Mar 2016 #21
He may have a point. But . . . madamesilverspurs Mar 2016 #22
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #29
With what- malaise Mar 2016 #25
That's why I don't watch Chuck as a rule. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #26
While Toadie is indeed an asshole, this is more an example of him being a dumbass. LonePirate Mar 2016 #27
"Asshole Chuck Todd" MurrayDelph Mar 2016 #28
What do you expect from a lying reich-wing propagandist? tabasco Mar 2016 #30
Edith Wilson would be a better comparison Buzz cook Mar 2016 #31
Her anti-drug reefer madness spread lies, ruined a lot of lives and sent a lot of TeamPooka Mar 2016 #32
ahhhh good ol chuck toaster pastries. restorefreedom Mar 2016 #34
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
2. He may not be far off lol.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:15 PM
Mar 2016

I've long thought that she was essentially president in that second term.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. I don't know about that.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

She always struck me as tough as iron.

Reagan was president, and no doubt she protected him completely from anyone knowing fully what was going on.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,295 posts)
5. She did a pretty good job
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

of covering up the fact that Ronnie had gone senile. I don't think she was as politically influential as Eleanor Roosevelt, though, or as active in actually managing things as Edith Wilson.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
7. GOPers are not known for their factual history since they don't believe in it
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:27 PM
Mar 2016

Plus, GOPers are re-writing history as I post.

rurallib

(62,346 posts)
9. Reagan had a weak mind and was easily influenced from what I have read
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:28 PM
Mar 2016

The movie he watched the night before may become policy tomorrow
so that statement may well be true.
If you talk influence for good policy it is no contest. Eleanor #1

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
13. Well,since Eleanor actually knew something about policy,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:37 PM
Mar 2016

and was a strong influence on her husband's policies,I think I can say that with some authority.Any other influence on a president would be besides the point,unless we're going to judge the influence Eleanor had on what clothes Franklin wore that day or what he had for breakfast maybe.

DURHAM D

(32,596 posts)
12. Well... one of her major accomplishments was
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

to ban pants wearing for women working in the WH. This was her idea of how to push back against the women's movement.

Never forget... women are to be seen not heard. Naturally Todd would agree with that like most men of mediocre talent and low level intelligence.

UTUSN

(70,507 posts)
17. Did he mean by "influential" controlling access to her hubby? Otherwise,not on the same planet as ER
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:53 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I detested her along with her hubby while living through their reign, but in recent decades have slightly modified the detestation, to wit: The RAYGUN idolaters, who wanted to name every public facility after him, would not be stifled by anybody EXCEPT by her, when she put the kibosh on their wanting to replace FDR with RAYGUN on the dime. So thanks for that and for her having produced Ronnie Junior and half of Patty. That said, Kitty KELLY’s scandalous biography was merciless AND TRUE, with the opening paragraph (paraphrasing), “Nothing on her birth certificate was true – not her name, her date of birth, name of the father, nothing.” And I ate up the tawdry stories about her talents as a starlet not being about the thespian profession, and that the perk of political power was her SINATRA infatuation.

All that said, did JERK Chuck TODD mean by "influence" that she had more CONTROL over ACCESS to RAYGUN and controlling *him*? That’s a very limited deal. Edith WILSON was literally, de facto PRESIDENT while WILSON was incapacitated. Otherwise, Nancy is nowhere on the same planet as Eleanor.

But this group pic is hilarious, the BODY LANGUAGE. She had NO interest in hanging with the gals:

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
18. Who's the one in the middle. She seems to be shunned by the others. Must be a Democrat!
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

But, yeah, Nancy wants to be anywhere else, lol.

UTUSN

(70,507 posts)
23. Yip, it's dear Rosalynn. The boys also stand away from Jimmy in pics.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:37 PM
Mar 2016

But Betty FORD had refuge with Big Babs, and I'm grateful that Hillary glommed onto LadyBird.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
33. Gotta be tough being at 1st lady!
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

Your husband's doing his thing, and you've got to fit in somehow.

Anyway, if Bill becomes the 1st, 1st gentleman, we will get a whole new perspective, lol.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
21. Chuck - Just say No
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:24 PM
Mar 2016

NO. So many of us, Americans capable of critical thinking, collectively just say NO. As for being influential, was it positive or negative? I'll give you that Nancy was influential, but most of it was negatively so.

madamesilverspurs

(15,784 posts)
22. He may have a point. But . . .
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

Nancy Reagan was vital to her husband's presidential legacy. She was singularly adept at providing glittering distraction, a willing veneer on the contrived persona of a man utterly inadequate to the demands of the office. Her devotion to the good of the man overrode any consideration of the good of the country. She personally directed the artisans who crafted the public perception that sought to mask the sadder reality; in that, she largely succeeded. To this day her labors are rewarded as her husband continues elevated status as the Republican party’s vaunted Golden Calf. In other words, she served as chief acolyte to a false deity. For the sake of the country, may we never see their like again.

PatrickforO

(14,520 posts)
26. That's why I don't watch Chuck as a rule.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

Eleanor was a real power for good.

Nancy was the 'power' behind the increasingly senile throne.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
30. What do you expect from a lying reich-wing propagandist?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

The truth?

Why do you watch that shit? Turn it off and stop polluting your mind.

Buzz cook

(2,470 posts)
31. Edith Wilson would be a better comparison
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:49 PM
Mar 2016

Edith covered for Wilson after his stroke and is said to have acted as president. Nancy covered for Ronnie's senility and is said to have prompted his actions.

It has been said that glasnost was done at Nancy's urging. If so we should remember her in a better light.

TeamPooka

(24,159 posts)
32. Her anti-drug reefer madness spread lies, ruined a lot of lives and sent a lot of
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

relatively innocent people (mostly minorities) to jail.
She was no Eleanor Roosevelt.

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