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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:23 PM

I will happily vote for either Hillary or Bernie.

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Reading DU saddens me.

The willingness to drive to us v them and then to belittle the opposition is how we got into this mess.
Stop thinking of the other as unintelligent or brainwashed or naive or low information.

If we can't unite or at least be civil while we are facing the evil that is Trump/Cruz/Rubio, I can't imagine what would unite us.

I don't know who will win the nomination.
I don't know who will win the election.
But I know that if ANY of the GOP wins the election, it will be worse for our children and the future.

Peace.

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Reply I will happily vote for either Hillary or Bernie. (Original post)
Fresh_Start Feb 2016 OP
joeybee12 Feb 2016 #1
Maedhros Feb 2016 #2
Fresh_Start Feb 2016 #3
Andy823 Feb 2016 #4
Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #5
qwlauren35 Feb 2016 #12
Maedhros Feb 2016 #8
Matrosov Feb 2016 #14
stevebreeze Feb 2016 #17
demmiblue Feb 2016 #6
xmas74 Feb 2016 #7
Logical Feb 2016 #9
mindfulNJ Feb 2016 #10
demtenjeep Feb 2016 #11
geomon666 Feb 2016 #13
nadine_mn Feb 2016 #15
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #16
stevebreeze Feb 2016 #18
petronius Feb 2016 #19

Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:26 PM

1. I agree...it's always nastier during the primary it seems...

 

Than during the general election...we should save our bile for that time and against whoever the Repuke is.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:03 PM

2. Your premise is flawed.

 

You are assuming that the Democratic Party has intrinsic value, just by existing, and that it's important that political opponents come together to protect the Party.

That is false. The Democratic Party has value only insofar as it champions liberal and progressive policies. Once it gave itself over to the Third Way and stopped doing that, it ceased being any kind of solution and became part of the problem.

The things the Party does that I must be asked to condone have become too nasty. I see the Sanders campaign as our last real hope to repair the Third Way damage. Voting for Hillary just cements the Third Way as the new normal, and I can't go along with that.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:23 PM

3. Your premise is flawed

The party is not the liberal progressive party: it is the democratic party.

The democratic party is the big umbrella party.
For my entire life its been fragmented and not a liberal progressive party.

The democratic party allows for many viewpoints: not just your viewpoint and not just my viewpoint and not just the official party platform.
If the democratic party didn't allow people who disagree with it at the table, the democratic party would just be a footnote in history.
Sort of like the green party.

I'm very much a liberal: and I will take either Bernie or Hillary over any of the GOP.




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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:30 PM

4. Well said. nt

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:05 PM

5. When I joined the Democratic Party, back in the 1970s,

it WAS, for the most part, a liberal, progressive party. That is why I joined. And that is what the national party had stood for since the days of FDR. Today's Democratic Party, however, has definitely taken a sharp right turn from those days.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:37 PM

12. Historically

the Democratic party was the party of racist Southerners from the days of Reconstruction up to the 1968 National Convention when they FINALLY let black people in as delegates. The Social Security and Medicare programs were systematically designed to exclude domestic workers and farm workers. Guess who they were! And guess which party insisted on it! So be aware, political party ideologies shift from generation to generation, and the Democrats definitely weren't doing my people any favors back when I was born. Right now, the Democratic party is more closely aligned to my values. You think it's veering right, but that is what our country is doing. Hence moderate Republicans vs. Tea Party Republicans. If both parties split, it would be healthier for our country, but it's not going to happen.

DU harbors some people who are Democrats in name only, but would rather be libertarians or socialists or Green, but want the power that comes with a major party. When I hear Bernie supporters say that they won't vote for Hillary, I figure they aren't really Democrats. It is unfortunate, because it skews the statistics. You think you can count on people because they are registered Democrats... but you can't.

Well, IF Hillary wins, we just have to hope that a LOT of Republicans stay home.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:58 PM

8. Well, the Democratic Party has put itself at odds with my interests.

 

I imagine I am not alone. I have no inclination to support a Party which has so clearly told me it does not value my input, and which so cynically extorts my vote.

The "big tent" is being used to herd us into the slaughterhouse.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:46 PM

14. The reality is this

 

In this two-party system, a non-vote for Democrats is a vote for the Republicans.

I don't disagree that there are many things Democrats could do differently and that they are sometimes at odds with my interests. On the other hand, Republicans are ALWAYS at odds with my interests.

That's why I always tell people to vote their heart when it comes to the caucuses and primaries, but always vote Democratic when it comes to general elections.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:05 PM

17. The Democratic party has tremendous value, or else Bernie would be running as a Green

Bernie running as a Green is no better the Ralph Nader running as a Green. Some one with an "R" or "D" will be elected in Nov. this is why Bernie is running as a Democrat. He has had a tremendous value in being in the race. Hillary is far to the left of were she would be had Bernie not entered the race. Bernie may not win the nomination, but make no mistake, look at the demographics of voters Bernie's ideas are winners, and will take this country in a better direction as more youngsters age into voting more, and some old goats die off. .

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:08 PM

6. I will happily alert on this as violating the SoP for this forum!

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:49 PM

7. I'm sick and tired of the fighting after twelve years of DU.

It's all "Bernie isn't even a Democrat" or "Hillary's a shill" or "Bernie wrote rape porn" or "Hillary is a liar and a murderer". I'm sick and tired of it.

If this is how we're handling matters we can just hand things over to Trump, Cruz or Rubio right now. We know that the GOP will circle the wagons when the time comes. We need to get over ourselves and be ready to do the same. I've read far too much on here and on Facebook about people refusing to vote in the GE if Sanders doesn't get the nom. (And yes, it's always been Sanders supporters.) If he doesn't get the nom we all know damn good and well he'll throw his support behind Clinton. If O'Malley were still in the race and had won the nom both Clinton and Sanders would have supported him. And Clinton will support Sanders if he wins the nom, no questions.

Let's quit acting like we're five years old, threatening to take our ball home. Let's focus on what's been forgotten: Democrats running down ticket. We need as many as possible to win. It's actually more important that they win than the presidency. I don't care who wins, Bernie or Hillary. I do care that, in my state, Koster becomes my new governor, that Kander beats Blunt in the Senate race, that we finally get a Dem strong enough and enough strength from the DNC to help beat Hartzler. There are others I care about that are more localized but you all get the picture. Threatening not to vote is the same as voting for a Republican in the GE, whether for president or for any other races. Last I checked DU supported Democratic candidates.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:05 PM

9. I will vote for Hill only to vote against GOP. But not close to fucking happily. nt

 

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:20 PM

10. Agree

This place makes me sad during primary season. I log on to DU and read a few posts and then have to leave because it's too depressing. So much vitriol. We all know that we have to band together in the end and vote for the Democrat. The alternative is just unthinkable.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:35 PM

11. yup

 

there is too much at stake to ever chance an idiot gop administration

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:42 PM

13. I remember when Dennis Kucinich was running

and Cindy Sheehan so this is nothing new for me. In the end, whoever is running against the Repig is who I'm voting for. Don't have time to play fucking patty cake with people's lives.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:50 PM

15. I agree - I may not agree 100%

with Hillary Clinton, but for crying out loud, at least we are reading from the same menu...

The Republicans are just in a dump fighting for the worst piece of garbage.

You cannot even begin to put one of the Democratic candidates in the same category as one of the Republicans. The future of our country cannot survive people if a Republican is president (at least not from any of the current ones out there).

We cannot afford to lose our country because people stayed home on election day because they are pouting that their candidate didn't get nominated.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:55 PM

16. Likewise

But have you noticed the low post count of those who say they will not vote for the other candidate? Most of them have been DU members for only a month or two.

I think there's some serious trolling by the GOP going on.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:10 PM

18. so many rational people in this thread!

Make me smile.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:35 PM

19. Locking. Sorry, but Host consensus is that this is a Primary thread,

and thus should be posted in General Discussion: Primaries. Thank you!

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