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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:41 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

Riddle me this, if Trump did not have wall to wall coverage on MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS

where would he be in the polls?

Yes, I am asking for an opinion.

I have never seen such focus by the media on a single candidate. After a survey of the news, FOX news is the only channel not fixated on Trump 24/7. (Now I need to take a bath)

the News/entertainment media generally divide their important stories and give the most important story more minutes. They've become like sharks in a feeding frenzy.

Why should Trump spend any time on ads when he is on all the time?

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Reply Riddle me this, if Trump did not have wall to wall coverage on MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS (Original post)
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 OP
LineReply He sure does get a lot of free publicity n/t
 arcane1 Feb 2016 #1
LineLineReply More than everybody else put together.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #8
LineLineLineReply The one guy who doesn't have to fund-raise.
 arcane1 Feb 2016 #11
LineReply Indeed. Trump provides oxygen for the breathless perpetual news outlets.
 immoderate Feb 2016 #2
LineLineReply Yes, the breath money, and money comes from advertising.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #9
LineReply Imagine if Bernie had gotten commensurate coverage n/t
 yodermon Feb 2016 #3
LineLineReply It would not have made up for everything, but he would be doing better.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #10
LineLineLineReply Why?
 hifiguy Feb 2016 #17
LineLineLineLineReply Because those states reflect the Demographic nature of the Democratic Party.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #19
LineLineLineLineLineReply So push them back in the calendar.
 hifiguy Feb 2016 #20
LineLineReply as opposed to the virtual blackout?
 G_j Feb 2016 #16
LineReply Probably not too far from his current position
 Matrosov Feb 2016 #4
LineLineReply Add mud wrestling and I wold agree.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #12
LineReply I think he would have been out of the race long ago; but for, the free coverage ...
 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #5
LineLineReply He has managed this coverage better than anyone.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #13
LineLineLineReply Yes. He has. He is a master (self) promoter. I will give him that ...
 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #18
LineReply maybe - but he would have to spend his own money to do it
 lame54 Feb 2016 #6
LineLineReply He has played the media like a Stradivarius nt.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #14
LineReply I guess that is why he is so rich!
 imanamerican63 Feb 2016 #7
LineLineReply I suspect it helped that he was born with it.
 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #15
LineReply He has wall to wall coverage because a lot of right wingers want to see him, and tune in.
 Hoyt Feb 2016 #21
LineReply Because...
 Xolodno Feb 2016 #22
LineReply This is precisely why Trump is not an "anti-establishment" candidate,
 Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #23
LineReply This article nails it pretty much...
 PoiBoy Mar 2016 #24
LineReply crying over spilt milk....trump is a master showman. he knows how to make news better than others
 dembotoz Mar 2016 #25
LineReply NEVER before. It's crazy and demeaning to the whole country, imo.
 blm Mar 2016 #26
LineReply We would probably be watching PBS. Everyone else has been corrupted by big money.
Stellar Mar 2016 #27
LineReply The contrast with the complete lack of early Bernie coverage is telling
 underpants Mar 2016 #28
LineNew Reply It's a vicious cycle.
 Svafa Mar 2016 #29
LineLineNew Reply This message was self-deleted by its author
 Svafa Mar 2016 #30
LineLineNew Reply worst part is, eventually people will get bored with Trump's antics
 0rganism Mar 2016 #31
LineLineLineNew Reply Excellent, and very frightening, point.
 Svafa Mar 2016 #34
LineNew Reply #1
 ProfessorGAC Mar 2016 #32
LineNew Reply This is why FDR had congress pass a few laws
 nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #33
LineNew Reply At the top, probably
 bigwillq Mar 2016 #35
LineNew Reply I kept saying if people stopped watching in record numbers
 Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #36
LineNew Reply they wanted a circus
 RussBLib Mar 2016 #37
LineNew Reply I think he would still be high in the polls.
 hollowdweller Mar 2016 #38

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:51 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

1. He sure does get a lot of free publicity n/t

 

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:05 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

8. More than everybody else put together.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:08 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

11. The one guy who doesn't have to fund-raise.

 

Funny how that works.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:53 PM

immoderate (20,885 posts)

2. Indeed. Trump provides oxygen for the breathless perpetual news outlets.

 

--imm

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:06 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

9. Yes, the breath money, and money comes from advertising.

But, damn, I'm sick of him.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:54 PM

yodermon (6,142 posts)

3. Imagine if Bernie had gotten commensurate coverage n/t

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:08 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

10. It would not have made up for everything, but he would be doing better.

Sanders should have ignored New Hampshire and Iowa and spent all that time in the South.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:14 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

17. Why?

 

And why should those states have such a large effect this early?

NO Democrat is ever going to win them in any remotely conceivable GE. Florida's the only one that's in play. Alabama? Mississippi? A Democrat is lucky to hit 40% in a general election. They contribute ZERO electoral votes to Democrats and that won't change for decades.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:42 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

19. Because those states reflect the Demographic nature of the Democratic Party.

We are a multi ethnic party. African Americans and Hispanics make up critical constituencies. Women are another core constituency. Sanders needed to spend far more time understanding them.

These are statements by Kos posted in this thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1374963

Democrats, South Carolina, and wrapping up our primary season
Saturday we all saw what the “demographic ceiling” looks like, and for Bernie Sanders, it wasn’t pretty. Iowa was all white, and the candidates effectively tied. New Hampshire was all white, and Bernie Sanders won big. But it’s been downhill for Bernie as the states have gotten browner—first Nevada, and now the South Carolina near-50-point blowout.

I keep coming back to this again and again—imagine if Sanders had half a year camped out in South Carolina and Nevada, getting to know Latinos and African Americans as intimately as he got to know white farmers in Iowa? The primary calendar does a disservice to Democrats, and this has to be the last year Iowa and New Hampshire lead the pack.

You know who did turn out given the opportunity? African Americans in South Carolina. That’s the Trump effect. So yeah, white Bernie Sanders supporters might not be feeling the Clinton, but that’s because you don’t have Donald Trump challenging your very right to exist. If you are a Sanders supporter and can’t understand that, perhaps that’s why you weren’t able to help expand Sanders’ support beyond his white base.

The big takeaway? If you want a revolution, find a candidate/leader that looks like the Democratic Party, or has done the hard work of building credibility in communities of color.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:47 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

20. So push them back in the calendar.

 

West coast states - and noplace is more diverse than California, the most populous state in the entire country - are Democratic bulwarks in general elections. Why not give California and the Pacific NW pride of place? Those states are states Democrats WIN in general elections. There is NOTHING to be won in the old Confederacy in any GE for the foreseeable future. They should not have a disproportionate effect on selecting delegates by being so early in the process.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:13 PM

Star Member G_j (40,258 posts)

16. as opposed to the virtual blackout?

good question

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:54 PM

Matrosov (1,098 posts)

4. Probably not too far from his current position

 

The major difference is that he'd have to spend much more money on publicity. The media is giving him a great deal of free publicity right now.

In a way I actually understand it. The news business is in the business of selling news, and Trump's participation is turning this election season into a cross between American Idol and Jerry Springer.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:08 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

12. Add mud wrestling and I wold agree.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:56 PM

1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)

5. I think he would have been out of the race long ago; but for, the free coverage ...

 

"What? ... I have to spent MY money to run ads? Screw that! ... Call a meeting of the sales team. We're cashing out."

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:09 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

13. He has managed this coverage better than anyone.

I suspect future candidates will use this a model.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:14 PM

1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)

18. Yes. He has. He is a master (self) promoter. I will give him that ...

 

though, I doubt anyone else could have pulled it off.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:57 PM

lame54 (32,569 posts)

6. maybe - but he would have to spend his own money to do it

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:11 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

14. He has played the media like a Stradivarius nt.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:58 PM

imanamerican63 (11,350 posts)

7. I guess that is why he is so rich!

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:11 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

15. I suspect it helped that he was born with it.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:53 PM

Star Member Hoyt (54,736 posts)

21. He has wall to wall coverage because a lot of right wingers want to see him, and tune in.

If people didn't watch, they would broadcast something else.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:01 PM

Xolodno (5,189 posts)

22. Because...

...Trump knows how to manipulate the media.


You might say he is the "Howard Stern" of GOP politics. People who liked Stern listened to him because...they wondered what he would say next. And people who hated him...wondered what he would say next.

For decades the GOP has been doing the nod and wink...Trump is just unzipping his pants and dropping his dick and balls for everyone to see and daring everyone else to do the same. He's just reaping the crops the GOP sowed....despite the fact the GOP never wanted to harvest.

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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:05 PM

Star Member Uncle Joe (53,194 posts)

23. This is precisely why Trump is not an "anti-establishment" candidate,

the corporate media conglomerates damn sure wouldn't be promoting him virtually 24/7 from the day he announced and even before if they ever thought he would challenge the corruption of money in politics or the establishment order.

It's all Kabuki Theater.

Thanks for the thread, Agnosticsherbet.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:45 PM

Star Member PoiBoy (1,514 posts)

24. This article nails it pretty much...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027629295

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/06/suspicions-confirmed-trumps-campaign-was-a-pre-planned-con-job/

“‘I’m going to walk away with it and win it outright,’” a long-time New York political consultant recalled. “Trump told us, ‘I’m going to get in and all the polls are going to go crazy. I’m going to suck all the oxygen out of the room. I know how to work the media in a way that they will never take the lights off of me.'”














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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:08 PM

dembotoz (15,073 posts)

25. crying over spilt milk....trump is a master showman. he knows how to make news better than others

show biz merged with politics and we are the worse off for it

bread and circuses?
well we have the circus where is the bread.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:10 PM

Star Member blm (108,932 posts)

26. NEVER before. It's crazy and demeaning to the whole country, imo.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:36 PM

Stellar (5,644 posts)

27. We would probably be watching PBS. Everyone else has been corrupted by big money.

eta: You people will vote for who I want you to vote for and nobody else.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:40 PM

Star Member underpants (169,477 posts)

28. The contrast with the complete lack of early Bernie coverage is telling

But let's not forget - Trump was allowed to prep their battlefield with weekly call ins to Fox n Friends.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:10 PM

Svafa (594 posts)

29. It's a vicious cycle.

The media talk about Drumpf's wild positions and comments. Then the "car crash" mentality sets in--as horrifying as what he does/says is, people can't help tuning in because of the spectacle. The media get more viewers, so they put out more Drumpf coverage. And so it goes. Of course the huge downside (other than having to see his awful face and hear the garbage he spews all over the place) is that the constant attention both gives him exposure to people who may be swayed by his rhetoric and legitimizes him in the eyes of his followers. A vicious, and disturbing, cycle that is getting out of control.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:04 PM

Star Member 0rganism (23,538 posts)

31. worst part is, eventually people will get bored with Trump's antics

all those "wild positions and comments"? in a few months, we the people will not be outraged, but rather bored
in this campaign season, the Trumpster is likely DOA
but the next Republican to come along spouting those "wild positions and comments" will not be greeted with outrage, but simple boredom -- "ho hum, we've heard this all before somewhere, just more politics as usual".
if we're lucky, their fortunes will be comparable to boring nasty old Pat Buchanan, marginalized and largely ignored.
what scares the shit out of me is that Trump's "wild positions and comments" could become the "new normal" for one of our major political parties that, frankly, has embraced ideas of comparable "wildness" over the last 50 years.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:21 PM

Svafa (594 posts)

34. Excellent, and very frightening, point.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:08 PM

Star Member ProfessorGAC (53,230 posts)

32. #1

The people who are supporting him don't all watch the news. They know what they know and they're minds are already made up.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:09 PM

nadinbrzezinski (154,021 posts)

33. This is why FDR had congress pass a few laws

 

to prevent precisely what you are seeing... after the rise of Hitler. We had small versions of that in the US before those laws were passed. History will not be kind to Bill Clinton... and the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

By the way, not only do you have a point, but when even Newt tells Fox, the least of the offenders, that they are creating this frankestein (And let's not start on his role), you know there is a problem. I often do not agree with the former speaker. but on this one, he is a student of the rise of Hitler and he, and incidentally I, agree on that very point.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:25 PM

bigwillq (72,790 posts)

35. At the top, probably

 

It seems like folks like what he's saying

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:34 PM

Blue_Tires (55,443 posts)

36. I kept saying if people stopped watching in record numbers

and feeding the beast, the cable news would have found some other angle to cover...

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:37 PM

Star Member RussBLib (5,743 posts)

37. they wanted a circus

and they got it. Shameless, pandering whores.

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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:45 PM

hollowdweller (4,229 posts)

38. I think he would still be high in the polls.

 


The GOP has always got the working class to vote against their economic interests by exploiting their fears and prejudices.

Trump gives them a populist agenda AND caters to the fears and prejudices!

Not only will he get the grassroots GOP but he will get a LOT of the independants who might vote democrat but would never vote for Hillary.

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