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geardaddy

(24,924 posts)
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:33 PM Dec 2011

Bill Maher Takes Heat Over Tim Tebow Tweet

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201112/comedian-takes-heat-over-tim-tebow-tweet

Even in defeat, Tim Tebow creates controversy -- this time in Tinseltown.

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)

"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo’s killing them," Maher tweeted.

Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

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Disgusting vile trash? really?

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Bill Maher Takes Heat Over Tim Tebow Tweet (Original Post) geardaddy Dec 2011 OP
how come scores are god's personal blessing but interceptions are never god's punishment? nt msongs Dec 2011 #1
lol. geardaddy Dec 2011 #2
Clearly, the D-Back was praying harder, that's all. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #5
God doesn't punish Christians. They are covered by "grace", so nothing bad that happens to them yodermon Dec 2011 #8
Jesus As a Spiritual Pin Cushion NashVegas Dec 2011 #129
Interceptions are the way Jesus tests your faith! See how that works? n/t FormerDittoHead Dec 2011 #36
Interceptions Are Not God's Punishment Yavin4 Dec 2011 #39
God prefers blitzing linebackers Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #99
God's pro team is the New Orleans Saints. His college team is Notre Dame. yellowcanine Dec 2011 #151
It's a fair point. And isn't an interception a "blessing" for the OTHER team? yellowcanine Dec 2011 #150
Hae you seen Tebow pass? He hardly needs divine intervention to make an errant throw. nt NoGOPZone Dec 2011 #155
hey eric 'lighten up francis' spanone Dec 2011 #3
Francis is gone. BootinUp Dec 2011 #56
I love that quote! Logical Dec 2011 #79
I'd call it "trite, unfunny observation Union Scribe Dec 2011 #4
9 million saying that UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #65
Maher is great and weare lucky to have him on our side! Logical Dec 2011 #78
But... But.... He's a proud atheist who supports legalizing TEH POT! And TEH GAYS! Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #103
Maher hardly represents the best of what the left has to offer lapislzi Dec 2011 #6
For Maher, it = success izquierdista Dec 2011 #10
Agreed. TheWraith Dec 2011 #12
I don't. lapislzi Dec 2011 #134
Oh for fuck's sake. If the argument is that magic invisble friends help you win games Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #27
"why is god intervening in football games but not Darfur" -- Because God Gambles on Football Games Yavin4 Dec 2011 #40
Can't stand Maher. emilyg Dec 2011 #31
Agreed. He's almost the anti-Coulter. nt Skip Intro Dec 2011 #58
Represents? Blacksheep214 Dec 2011 #71
Uh, satire is offensive by its nature. aquart Dec 2011 #104
Unless of course, Shankapotomus Dec 2011 #109
even more lame barbtries Dec 2011 #117
Maher doesn't exist to represent the left. He's a comedian. eom Fleshdancer Dec 2011 #147
I object to calling him trash. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #7
Shit. Carlin was a solid libertarian in later years and he said a lot worse. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #9
Oh, I know. geardaddy Dec 2011 #24
He's not particularly kind with FOX or CNN for that matter. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #26
I have never seen Tebow do his thing Puzzledtraveller Dec 2011 #11
My feelings about his exhibitionism is not pathological. immoderate Dec 2011 #15
I Guess You Don't Watch ESPN Yavin4 Dec 2011 #41
Good for Maher... mrmpa Dec 2011 #13
If they give you John, counter with Matthew 25:41-46. aquart Dec 2011 #105
If Tebow gives full credit to God when he does well.... JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #14
Yep. It's like these idiots who think that "God" saved them from some tragedy that killed hundreds. Arugula Latte Dec 2011 #167
I bet Fox went after Limbaugh and Coulter with just as much self-righteousness. Fuzz Dec 2011 #16
Hilarious tweet from Maher! Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #17
I thought it was as funny as hell..almost as funny as watching Jeebus Tebow getting his ass handed.. truebrit71 Dec 2011 #18
Tebow obviously didn't pray hard enough and long enough to his god to help win the game. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #19
LOL. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #20
Bill Maher! Iggo Dec 2011 #21
Your edit of the tweet just outright fails to deliver the controversy. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #22
I didn't edit it. geardaddy Dec 2011 #23
LOL trumad Dec 2011 #25
Waaah, Waaaah. Someone made fun of my magic invisble friend. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #28
For if you fail once? kentuck Dec 2011 #29
This whole Tebow thing is preposterous on it's face... NavyDem Dec 2011 #30
O.K. that is a good one rufus dog Dec 2011 #45
I was just trying to inject a little humor into what I knew was going to become a contentious thread NavyDem Dec 2011 #61
And you did inject humor rufus dog Dec 2011 #68
Sorry, I just HAD to step in , here, and say... Ferretherder Dec 2011 #116
well Danmel Dec 2011 #108
or a Vikings fan geardaddy Dec 2011 #133
Any skewering of Tebow the Twit is OK with me. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #32
Stupid. originalpckelly Dec 2011 #33
Bill Maher is a dick head. styersc Dec 2011 #34
Yeah. We should give a free pass to all sorts of absurd bullshit, because "IT'S MY WEEWIGIN!!" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #42
WTF is "weeewigin"? n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #46
Special Pleading, that's what's happening here. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #52
"thinks Jesus is personally intervening in his football games" cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #89
I don't GIVE A SHIT. And neither does Jesus. Who doesn't exist. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #97
Let's go back to your claim that Tebow said Jesus personally intervened... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #173
I could play word games with you, despite the fact you've already been shown to be wrong Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #181
here's a link barbtries Dec 2011 #119
You're using other people's words. You get that, right? n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #180
religion. barbtries Dec 2011 #118
I guess you've heard of eye of the beholder... or maybe you haven't. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #175
"Give a pass"? Who elected you the entity who decides what is to be allowed? styersc Dec 2011 #47
To be clear: You can believe whatever kind of absurd, idiotic, impossible, dumb-ass shit you want. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #51
I guess I should be more tolerant of those who styersc Dec 2011 #66
Yes, yes, the poor persecuted Christian Majority. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #98
I rescind the correction of your name. styersc Dec 2011 #111
You can believe whatever you want. You do not get a free pass for your beliefs. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #130
WAH wah wah. Someone doesn't agree with you and you name call like Lionessa Dec 2011 #137
I dont require agreement, just peace to believe as I wish. styersc Dec 2011 #140
It's gawd and jeebus' job to give you peace, not mine or Limbaugh's. Too bad you Lionessa Dec 2011 #146
No thanks. styersc Dec 2011 #161
like I said, you can believe whatever the fuck you want Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #162
you 'rescind the correction of my name'? Oh, heavens, what will I do now? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #163
If it were not for religious dogma based ignorance, I could marry whom I wish Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #126
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #164
Wow, you sure smoked out another "true Christian." LAGC Dec 2011 #183
Jealous much? Logical Dec 2011 #80
Yes, people with beliefs in invisible sky daddies should be ridiculed. Lionessa Dec 2011 #136
Maher is a comedian Shankapotomus Dec 2011 #168
I've never seen so many people threatened by an entity they say doesn't exist. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #35
Odd, I'm feeling the same way. styersc Dec 2011 #37
He is an idiot, that s why people make fun of him! Logical Dec 2011 #81
I imagine you may even believe... LanternWaste Dec 2011 #121
Because the nonexistent entity has glassy-eyed believers all over the planet who keep Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #43
Causes shit-fits on both sides, it seems. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #44
Have you been paying ZERO fucking attention for the past 30 years??? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #49
Go ahead... let it all out. You'll feel better afterward. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #54
Guess the whole "pharmacists not dispensing birth control", "anti-choice/anti-gay movement" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #55
Um, no. My daughter came out to me about five years ago and I wrote about it here that very night. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #82
Yibbe Yabbo Hooobooo. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #96
Last time I'll say this... Tim Tebow does NOT think Jesus helps him win football games. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #172
You've clearly never had your life f'd with by the religiously regressive. Lionessa Dec 2011 #138
+1 million to this post Eliminator Dec 2011 #69
As are all human constructs which exist nowhere but our own imaginations LanternWaste Dec 2011 #122
Fail Eliminator Dec 2011 #141
Worse, more like the after effects of a stroke. Lionessa Dec 2011 #139
You've about covered it. Control-Z Dec 2011 #74
"walk in your house uninvited..." In some states it's legal to KILL the people you just described. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #85
Now THAT was a righteous-ass screed! Le Taz Hot Dec 2011 #123
Wow...fail.... Logical Dec 2011 #84
Find me an instance where Tim Tebow or any other person of faith made the claim that cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #87
When you praise god when you score a touchdown then you are saying he helped! Logical Dec 2011 #88
LOL. Yeah, I don't think so. Not unless you say something like "GOD HELPED!" cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #91
Is it ok to hate a parent who lets their kid die because they think god will cure them? Logical Dec 2011 #92
I could find that parent at fault for their child's death. Hate? I guess that depends on your cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #94
You think I'm full of hate because I don't want creationists writing public school science textbooks Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #100
OK, so we have determined religious intolerance is OK sometimes but you get to decide? Logical Dec 2011 #120
So he's thanking God for something God had nothing to do with? That doesnt make sense. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #101
It makes sense to him, and other than that it's only your business because you choose to make it so. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #170
you mean his making an anti-choice commercial wasn't making his faith our business? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #182
So in your world words are more important than actions? Weird. Lionessa Dec 2011 #142
You're intentionally being obtuse Eliminator Dec 2011 #145
I don't think you understand what prayer means to people of faith. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #174
Yes they do, all the time Eliminator Dec 2011 #177
And there you have it. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #178
Kurt Warner after winning the Super Bowl... truebrit71 Dec 2011 #157
So KW claimed that God guided his hand... and helped his team win? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #176
Yup. "Without Him none of this is possible"... truebrit71 Dec 2011 #187
Well actually WDeM... styersc Dec 2011 #48
Thanks for showing up to add your little opinion there, Mr. Helper! Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #50
I guess I'm just taking advantage of my newly found right styersc Dec 2011 #67
Knock yourself out, Jacko. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #95
When you have a logical argument, point it out. styersc Dec 2011 #112
Clearly your religiosity has stunted your ability to consider analogies then. Lionessa Dec 2011 #144
My logical argument is that it's fucking goofy to thank a giant invisible sky-man for his help with Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #160
Nah. I'm with WDeM, all the way. Control-Z Dec 2011 #75
It is the construct in the minds of bigots that keeps me from equal rights. Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #127
Sounds to me like the people angry at Maher's joke are the ones feeling threatened. DirkGently Dec 2011 #158
LOL! Otay! I'll play... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #179
It is quite entertaining to see Tebow lose. Dawson Leery Dec 2011 #38
How is he a charlatan? RZM Dec 2011 #72
I think charlatan Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #154
I don't think he's a charlatan. AngryOldDem Dec 2011 #185
Tebow was touched by his Noodley Appendage - and faileth eipically jpak Dec 2011 #53
What would this thread be like if Tebow was a Muslim? Skip Intro Dec 2011 #57
I don't know what the thread would be like, Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2011 #59
In general I think people on the left noamnety Dec 2011 #60
Personally, I think all the fundamentalists are whacked in the fucking head. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #64
Really? DU considers some patriarchal religions suckier than others? aquart Dec 2011 #107
We would be defending him from his unseemly dismissal by the Broncos Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #131
Durr, did anybody expect conservatives to have a sense of humor?! FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #62
When the people in love with Tebow. bluestate10 Dec 2011 #63
Bill Maher & Westboro Baptist BOHICA12 Dec 2011 #70
Uh, no. A perfectly ridiculous (and stunningly mean-spirited) false equivalency. aquart Dec 2011 #106
No, they are both out there flame-throwing for fun and profit! BOHICA12 Dec 2011 #110
Except Maher is not opposed to the rights of any person or grup and Westboro's message is Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #128
ITA BuddhaGirl Dec 2011 #153
Usually I defend Tebow RZM Dec 2011 #73
It's more disdain for people who blatantly disregard basic precepts of the religion they trumpet.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #76
Is he one of those people? RZM Dec 2011 #77
Many Christians would be far more popular with non-Christians.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #83
I don't deny it's over the top RZM Dec 2011 #86
DU is an online discussion forum.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #90
Reminds me of something Joe Madison mentioned a week or two ago RZM Dec 2011 #93
Their mommies never made anti-abortion commercials that were aired during the Superbowl. GoCubsGo Dec 2011 #115
"a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #102
Bolling was just projecting. GoCubsGo Dec 2011 #113
If God is on your side? kentuck Dec 2011 #114
This whole thread is a prime example of why I hope the Broncos trade Tebow randr Dec 2011 #124
maher a board member to PETA? lmfao. no wonder. that explains everything. ah ha. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #125
I'm glad people don't freak-out and write articles about my tweets. tridim Dec 2011 #132
Tebow reminds me of prosperity theology Red Mountain Dec 2011 #135
I agree with Maher. If you claim God helps you win, you have to explain what happened when you lose. Hosnon Dec 2011 #143
As for the boycott... Loge23 Dec 2011 #148
Maher will likely see being called "disgusting vile trash" by Fox News as a badge of honor. yellowcanine Dec 2011 #149
Not Funny Bill otohara Dec 2011 #152
As usual, Maher's tone is overly harsh. As usual, he has a point. DirkGently Dec 2011 #156
So what's the disgusting vile offensive part? Ganja Ninja Dec 2011 #159
Matt Taibbi made the best point about Teblow hifiguy Dec 2011 #165
I'm angry about Maher's tweet, too rocktivity Dec 2011 #166
The Fox News hates tv that still deals with actual discernable reality. How can applegrove Dec 2011 #169
You can't say anything against the great and powerful Tebow. center rising Dec 2011 #171
Thank God for Bill Maher ellisonz Dec 2011 #184
Christmas Eve? liberalpress Dec 2011 #186
I have to ask. Blacksheep214 Dec 2011 #188
Excellent points. geardaddy Dec 2011 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2011 #190

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
8. God doesn't punish Christians. They are covered by "grace", so nothing bad that happens to them
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:54 PM
Dec 2011

can be construed as "punishment".

This "grace" effect also allows them to perform any number of hideous things and then ask for forgiveness, and all is hunky dory.

Paul realized this theological loophole and tried to close it in his writings; it's hilarious really:

"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase ? May it never be! (romans 6:1&2)"

yeah that'll stop 'em paul, good thinking

 

NashVegas

(28,957 posts)
129. Jesus As a Spiritual Pin Cushion
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:17 AM
Dec 2011

Would love to have a thoughtful conversation on this sometime, in the religion forum.

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
151. God's pro team is the New Orleans Saints. His college team is Notre Dame.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:48 PM
Dec 2011

But that doesn't mean they always win. Losses build character and God loves character.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
4. I'd call it "trite, unfunny observation
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:39 PM
Dec 2011

that became a cliche after the nine millionth person said it in under two hours..."

Of course, that's true of a great deal of Maher's material.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
103. But... But.... He's a proud atheist who supports legalizing TEH POT! And TEH GAYS!
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 04:59 AM
Dec 2011

Can you imagine, the Atheist gay weddings with clouds of pot smoke?

Think of the children!

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
6. Maher hardly represents the best of what the left has to offer
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:47 PM
Dec 2011

There are plenty of legit ways to make your point without offering offense. And, politicizing sport is lame.

Maher = fail.

 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
10. For Maher, it = success
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:56 PM
Dec 2011

Stirring shit up is how he makes his money, and there is no subject that he can't politicize. His show is on HBO, not PBS, so of course the premise is not to inform, but to offend. Why else would people watch?

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
12. Agreed.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 03:12 PM
Dec 2011

The sad thing is, sometimes when Maher actually has some insight, he can be exceptionally good. Unfortunately, most of the time his "material" consists of his own towering, colossal ego telling him that he's the world's greatest authority on everything, mixed with the belief that he can invite right-wingers on his show and actually have a discussion instead of talking points being spewed.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
134. I don't.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:38 AM
Dec 2011

Except for "New Rules," Maher just isn't funny, at least not to me. Towering egos rarely are.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
27. Oh for fuck's sake. If the argument is that magic invisble friends help you win games
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 06:52 PM
Dec 2011

nevermind the obvious questions, like "why is god intervening in football games but not Darfur"

then it's legitimate to ask what the fuck happened when you LOST.


Oh, I know, special pleading! special pleading! don't make fun of my special special beliefs!

Yavin4

(35,356 posts)
40. "why is god intervening in football games but not Darfur" -- Because God Gambles on Football Games
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 09:39 PM
Dec 2011

which is why so many religions are constantly raising money. They have to pay off his debts.

 

Blacksheep214

(877 posts)
71. Represents?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:10 AM
Dec 2011

"Bill Maher does not represent the best of what the left has to offer"

C'mon now. How can one person represent anything except themselves? We have allowed ourselves to be 'assigned' representatives by the right, usually Hollywood and outspoken, someone who can be mocked for some juvenile reason.

Enough. As for Maher, I like 75% of his stuff and actually dislike the rest. PETA?

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
109. Unless of course,
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:12 AM
Dec 2011

you're in comedy which Maher is. I mean, if he were a politician making a serious and formal speech and said those things you'd have a point. But he's a comedian and as such everything he says is in a comedic context. That's why criticizing comedians is a losing battle. They are supposed to say outrageous things. That's what makes us laugh.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
9. Shit. Carlin was a solid libertarian in later years and he said a lot worse.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:54 PM
Dec 2011

Ever read "Brain Droppings"? That's what comedians DO for a living! These people need to get a damn grip on reality.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
26. He's not particularly kind with FOX or CNN for that matter.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 06:49 PM
Dec 2011

The difference is that he's a comedian. He's SUPPOSED to make fun of shit. FOX claims to be a news station, but we all know better.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
11. I have never seen Tebow do his thing
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 03:01 PM
Dec 2011

Broncos are'nt aired much in my region. Players have been kneeling after touch downs for EVER!, some motioning to the sky and other forms of acknowledgement and or praise and thanks to some "other" . So, really, who cares? I just don't understand the pathological resentment of whatever Tebow does.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
15. My feelings about his exhibitionism is not pathological.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 03:27 PM
Dec 2011

He's selling something. It is a product to which I am resistant, and as it is already not among my favorite teams, it gives me a good reason (as good as any) to root against him. Major sports figures are not usually known for creative thinking, and progressive and free thought. Tebow is outspoken and will suffer some derision. For Maher, it was a cheap shot, except that I think the humor here was that he managed to get both Satan and Hitler into the joke.

I root against the Cowboys for pretty much the same reason -- Tom Landry, and then Roger Staubach's commercials about their self righteousness. I liked Don Meredith, though.

--imm

Yavin4

(35,356 posts)
41. I Guess You Don't Watch ESPN
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 09:41 PM
Dec 2011

Because if you did, you'd understand the resentment of the constant media obsession over a less than average NFL QB.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
13. Good for Maher...
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 03:19 PM
Dec 2011

I've never liked Tebow since he was in College, where he could be seen every Saturday with black mark under his eyes noting "John 3:16" (I think that was it). I disliked him even more, when he contemplated buying time during the Superbowl 2010 for his anti abortion stance. I think that he doesn't respect women.

As for integrating God into his football routine, I remember reading (wish I could remember where), that some of his team mates were fed up with his prosletizing in the locker room.

I am a woman and a pro football fanatic, the talent of each player is something that they work at day in and day out, God is not the ultimate reason they are what they are. Each team is not the way they are because of God.

I've 3 nephews who've played football and baseball at the Division I, II and III levels, they tell me the way they are and the way their teams play is because of the hard work they do, not because of God. Even though all 3 attend church regularly.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
105. If they give you John, counter with Matthew 25:41-46.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:07 AM
Dec 2011

Reminds them that they have a few things they need to be doing or they go to Hell.

JohnnyRingo

(18,581 posts)
14. If Tebow gives full credit to God when he does well....
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 03:21 PM
Dec 2011

It stands to reason he has to blame God when he doesn't.

If everything, including football, is a struggle between the good and evil of Satan and God, then Tebow has to wonder what he did to cause The Lord to smite him. Maybe he didn't pray hard enough or publicly enough. Perhaps Tebow should hold his hand on a hot burner until he smells his flesh searing to prove his devotion next time.

Were Tim Tebow's recruitment numbers down this week? Sure, he spreads the word on the football field, but I'm sure God keeps track of the number of converts he collects, and maybe Tebow needs to kick it up a notch with a halftime service held on field.

Bill Maher doesn't believe this shit, Tim Tebow does.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
167. Yep. It's like these idiots who think that "God" saved them from some tragedy that killed hundreds.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:34 PM
Dec 2011

Well, if your magical friend has the power to save you, why is he such a tremendous pathological murdering asshole to other, presumably mostly good and innocent, people? ... They never quite go there, only giving the sky fairy the credit for the good and never the blame for the bad. Yet when their hypocrisy is pointed out, as by Maher, they go ballistic.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
18. I thought it was as funny as hell..almost as funny as watching Jeebus Tebow getting his ass handed..
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 03:37 PM
Dec 2011

...to him...

Question: Did the Righteous One drop to his knees to thanks his personal saviour after every INT, or does his imaginary friend only need thanks after each touchdown...

(It's a good thing they didn't see what Jesus_M_Christ tweeted during that game...now THAT was funny!!!

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
22. Your edit of the tweet just outright fails to deliver the controversy.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 03:42 PM
Dec 2011

The missing word is "fucked".

And for those not getting why, it is because Tebow, rightly or wrongly, became the darling of the fundaloon theocratic set, and his short run (pun intended) as a rookie sensation, which came to a grinding halt and was sacked for a loss when the NFL defensive coordinators figured out he couldn't actually pass the ball at pro levels, was annointed as proof that God Loves Murka and Rewards Those Who Proudly Display Their Religiousity (despite theirHoly Book explicitly demanding that one not do that). In other words they asked for it.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
29. For if you fail once?
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 06:55 PM
Dec 2011

That means God does not want you to succeed? Perhaps God works in mysterious ways? Maybe they will win Sunday and then beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs? Who knows? It is rather premature to call the game before it is over.

NavyDem

(516 posts)
30. This whole Tebow thing is preposterous on it's face...
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 07:00 PM
Dec 2011

Everyone knows that if there is a God, he/she is a Packers fan.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
45. O.K. that is a good one
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:01 PM
Dec 2011

Wrong because he would be a 49er fan, but good.


Oh, if only the Niners had picked Rodgers!

Good luck though, your team is my second favorite even though they knocked the 49ers out numerous times. For full disclosure the Broncos used to be in the #2 spot, and I hated Elway in college but respected the hell out of him. Tebow is just a side show.

NavyDem

(516 posts)
61. I was just trying to inject a little humor into what I knew was going to become a contentious thread
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:43 PM
Dec 2011

I'd actually have to say the Niners would be my second favorite team, and I'm glad to see them doing so well this year.

I don't really care what Tebow does on or off the field, I don't know the guy. I do know a lot of people that became "worshippers" of all things Tebow when he had a little success, but let's be real. Tebow didn't win any games by himself, and when he faced a team that his teams defense couldn't slow down, Tebow was of no consequence in the outcome.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
68. And you did inject humor
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 11:55 PM
Dec 2011

I actually laughed. As for Tebow, it was a great run, actually amazing if you saw some of the games. He sucked, and I mean SUCKED, for three quarters in two of the games I watched yet the Broncos ended up winning by staying close then Tebow took them down the field. To me it was humorous. He has much less talent than Vick, and has a slightly better decision process. For a football fan it is easy to dismiss, a great run, but no staying power. And to be fair, they vaulted Vick to saviour status without any thought into the downside. Tebow is just the latest. I am just hoping the Broncos make the playoffs so I can bet against them.

Ferretherder

(1,445 posts)
116. Sorry, I just HAD to step in , here, and say...
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:19 AM
Dec 2011

...that I MUST point out to you guys that it is unbecoming of progressives, like ourselves, to suggest that ANY imaginary deity prefers his or her favorite sports team over any other organization playing said sport........

.....although, it should be obvious that god prefers the New Orleans Saints.......

....c'mon, now............

originalpckelly

(24,382 posts)
33. Stupid.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 07:55 PM
Dec 2011

Personally, I think this was better:
"Note to Tebow: it's hard to throw a ball while nailed to a cross."

 

styersc

(2,847 posts)
34. Bill Maher is a dick head.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:29 PM
Dec 2011

All the tolerance of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck combined.

Yeah, people with beliefs different from his should be ridiculed.

Just what we need on the left.....

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
42. Yeah. We should give a free pass to all sorts of absurd bullshit, because "IT'S MY WEEWIGIN!!"
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 09:43 PM
Dec 2011

"Never mind that I say the Earth is 4,000 years old and my magic friend thinks it should be illegal for you to use birth control. Weeeeve my weeewigin out of it!"

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
52. Special Pleading, that's what's happening here.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:13 PM
Dec 2011
oh, you can't make fun of the fact that the guy thinks Jesus is personally intervening in his football games, because it's his special precious off-limits-from-ridicule religious belief.

Sorry, no sale.
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
89. "thinks Jesus is personally intervening in his football games"
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:42 AM
Dec 2011

That's an outright lie and I dare you to prove otherwise.

Prove otherwise. Here's where I throw down the gauntlet. You're LYING if you say he thinks Jesus is "personally intervening". You're LYING if you say he ever even IMPLIED that.

If you can, show me the quote where Tim Tebow HIMSELF said something to the effect of "Jesus looked down on me and made me throw for X yards and run for X more in the last X minutes of the game, then blew the ball wide of the goalpost off of the opposing kicker's foot in overtime..."

If you can show me where he said something to that effect, I'll donate $50 in your name to DU, and match that to your favorite charity. My claim is verifiable. Yours isn't.

If you CAN'T? All you need to do is admit you were making shit up to support your hatred and intolerance for his faith.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
97. I don't GIVE A SHIT. And neither does Jesus. Who doesn't exist.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 03:59 AM
Dec 2011

(Oh, he does? How about verifying THAT claim)

Sorry, he doesn't. He probably never did. (Cough. Mithras. Cough. Osiris.) But even if he did, he wouldn't give a shit.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
181. I could play word games with you, despite the fact you've already been shown to be wrong
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 02:58 AM
Dec 2011

instead, I think I'll watch Bob Weir put a duck in bondage gear.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
119. here's a link
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:48 AM
Dec 2011
http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/12/14/tim-tebow-believes-god-is-helping-the-broncos-to-win/

though it's probably not specific enough to meet your specs. anyhow i'm at work and must stand off the discussion. i don't even follow football and somehow (NPR perhaps) got that tebow thinks gawd makes him win at football.
 

styersc

(2,847 posts)
47. "Give a pass"? Who elected you the entity who decides what is to be allowed?
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:04 PM
Dec 2011

I didn't vote for you.

How is it skin off your nose if a Christian believes the earth is 4000 years old, or an Indian believes that man came out of a mound through a red stick or an Inuit thinks a whale spit out the universe?

You don't use birth control because someone else thinks you shouldn't?

Maybe it would be easier if you just gave us all a list of things we are allowed to believe Mr. Limbaugh, er, Mr. DeMontague.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
51. To be clear: You can believe whatever kind of absurd, idiotic, impossible, dumb-ass shit you want.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:11 PM
Dec 2011

You don't get to demand no one make fun of it, or you.

 

styersc

(2,847 posts)
66. I guess I should be more tolerant of those who
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:55 PM
Dec 2011

feel the need to "make fun of" others.

Otherwise, where would we get bullies?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
98. Yes, yes, the poor persecuted Christian Majority.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 04:02 AM
Dec 2011

I know, we're only a couple days past the horrible war on Christmas, even.

How do you handle it? *Sniff*




I know! Bullies!! Can you believe it? I'm SURE that the VAST MAJORITY of bullying, for instance, in the country's schools is helpless church-goers being savagely bullied by roving gangs of Atheist kids, quoting Darwin and Diderot as they club their poor Christ-minded peers with heavy hardcover books on evolutionary biology. I bet it happens EVERY fucking day, especially in places like Alabama.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
130. You can believe whatever you want. You do not get a free pass for your beliefs.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:18 AM
Dec 2011

You cannot protect your belief system from criticism by waving your "its my religion" card.

 

styersc

(2,847 posts)
140. I dont require agreement, just peace to believe as I wish.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:15 PM
Dec 2011

But the likes of you and Limbaugh come after anyone different.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
146. It's gawd and jeebus' job to give you peace, not mine or Limbaugh's. Too bad you
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:25 PM
Dec 2011

don't seem to have the faith you claim to have.

When it fails you completely, please come and join our rational side of things.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
162. like I said, you can believe whatever the fuck you want
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:25 PM
Dec 2011

you don't get to demand that no one ever make fun of it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
163. you 'rescind the correction of my name'? Oh, heavens, what will I do now?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:28 PM
Dec 2011

My name correction has been rescinded! Crap!

Well, at least you can't revoke my soul for tryin'.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
126. If it were not for religious dogma based ignorance, I could marry whom I wish
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:07 AM
Dec 2011

And that is skin off 'my nose'. Care to argue that?

Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #126)

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
183. Wow, you sure smoked out another "true Christian."
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:30 AM
Dec 2011

Looks like EarlG tombstoned his ass for his hateful comment -- good call!

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
136. Yes, people with beliefs in invisible sky daddies should be ridiculed.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:50 AM
Dec 2011

We need so much more of it.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
168. Maher is a comedian
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:57 PM
Dec 2011

Why are so many people holding him responsible for what he says as if he were a politition? Is it because he wears a suit? Is that too formal that it throws people off? Lisa Lampanelli is 90 times worse and everybody gets her.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
35. I've never seen so many people threatened by an entity they say doesn't exist.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:40 PM
Dec 2011

Never. I find it hilarious, and a reason to root for the guy.

Just think... a Denver win OR an Oakland loss this weekend and Tebow's playoff bound. Heads are about to burst and I can't wait.

Too funny.

 

styersc

(2,847 posts)
37. Odd, I'm feeling the same way.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 09:29 PM
Dec 2011

Never was a Tebow fan and have never been a fan of public displays of faith, but his detractors have me thinking he's getting their goat....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
121. I imagine you may even believe...
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:27 AM
Dec 2011

I imagine you may even believe you speak for the implied collective of people who make fun of him. We often project our opinions onto a whole and as a fact-- human nature and all that.

I myself have noticed that one person-- especially a sports figure may attract ridicule for any number of reasons, one not denying the other; unless of course we rely on one and only one interpretation for the cause/effect of a rather subjective thing...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
43. Because the nonexistent entity has glassy-eyed believers all over the planet who keep
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 09:51 PM
Dec 2011

trying to run the rest of our lives.

Beyond that, pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes isn't being "threatened" by the clothes. It's pointing out an obvious yet unpopular truth that seems invariably to cause shit-fits in the minds of the people who don't want to accept it.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
44. Causes shit-fits on both sides, it seems.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 09:58 PM
Dec 2011

Does anyone but you run your life? Could anyone but you run your life? Would you let anyone else run your life? If the answers to those questions is no, then why get so hot and bothered over someone else's faith?

I'll stick with what I posted. His faith threatens the beliefs of others and their own intolerance forces them to ridicule him. Plain and simple.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
49. Have you been paying ZERO fucking attention for the past 30 years???
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:08 PM
Dec 2011

why get so "hot and bothered"? well, let's see. Creationist clucktards fucking up OUR kids' science education. Jesus-drunk pharmacists holding womens' birth control prescriptions hostage. The neverending crusade to make it impossible for women to control their own bodies or decide themselves whether or not to stay pregnant. The apparent NEED to have "displays of faith" all over courthouse and city hall lawns, because, you know, there's that giant fucking church shortage in this country, nevermind the tax exempt status. The fact that "god" and "Jesus" have become cultural dog whistle clubs with which to endlessly bludgeon the rest of us, sort of like how some people LITERALLY have giant fucking temper tantrums if you say "Happy Holidays" to them.

There wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have a SERIOUS fucking problem in this country whereby right-wing fundamentalists almost exclusively of the Jesus Tim Tebow variety have been SERIOUSLY screwing up our collective civic and political life. Apparently, "live and let live" isn't an option for the folks threatened by the existence of gay people, folks fucking for non-procreative purposes or science teachers teaching proven facts about reality in public schools.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
54. Go ahead... let it all out. You'll feel better afterward.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:14 PM
Dec 2011

The hatred in you is palpable. Let it out.

FWIW, I don't even notice "displays of faith". Not threatened by them at all. Are you always on the lookout for such things, and when you find them, doesn't your blood just boil? Doesn't it just?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
55. Guess the whole "pharmacists not dispensing birth control", "anti-choice/anti-gay movement"
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:15 PM
Dec 2011

not to mention "our kids are getting a sub-par science education because imbeciles who refuse to accept the facts of evolution are screwing up science textbooks" parts flew right past ya, huh?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
82. Um, no. My daughter came out to me about five years ago and I wrote about it here that very night.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:26 AM
Dec 2011

She's now a candidate for gender reassignment surgery. She's out, proud, and looking to go the distance. She's met NO resistance other than from her Mom, and her Mom DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. Go figure. Bigoted atheists? Who knew THEY existed?

Your seething hatred and ridicule of anything having to do with "faith" are in my mind their own brand of bigotry.

For what it's worth... my daughter goes EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT to prayer meetings at the same Nazarene Christian school she attended from kindergarten. Sometimes she even stands in for the Pastor who runs the class.

As I stated before, your hatred is palpable. I would even lift it to the level of bigotry.

Not much just "flies right past me" bro. I see a bigger picture than you do I guess.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
96. Yibbe Yabbo Hooobooo.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 03:58 AM
Dec 2011

Sorry, you're just blibbering gibberish. What's bigoted? Yes, I'm making fun of the guy who thinks Jesus helps him win football games. Waaaaah. Bigoted mean atheists!

Oh, and you have gay relatives and you even claim to be more tolerant than an atheist, somewhere.

I guess that proves, ah, well, something. Like that Christians are persecuted horribly, and we should stop picking on Tim Tebow, and Jesus really DOES intervene in football games. (but, for some odd reason, not Darfur! Oh, did I say that? Out loud? I guess I'm hatin' on Christians again! Sorry. Go team! Score a touchdown for Christ!)

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
172. Last time I'll say this... Tim Tebow does NOT think Jesus helps him win football games.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:44 PM
Dec 2011

That you would make that argument just cements my claim that your bigotry blinds you.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
138. You've clearly never had your life f'd with by the religiously regressive.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:13 PM
Dec 2011

Having just recently left Idaho, it isn't just about things like gay marriage. I'm an older woman with two kids, completely hetero, but not promiscuous, and yet...

When the Catholic and Mormon neighbors found out we were atheists, their children were no longer allowed to enter our house. Whenever my children went to their houses, they would get cornered and encouraged to disregard and disrespect me and one family even "offered" to get H&W to take her away from me. Fortunately my children (now grown) didn't take the bait, but

YES I FEEL THREATENED BY THEM, EVERY ASPECT OF THEM. And as they take over the right wing of politics (be that D or R after their name) again, it is scary, it needs outrage, and it needs volume. "it" being the pushback against any "faith" influencing us.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
122. As are all human constructs which exist nowhere but our own imaginations
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:34 AM
Dec 2011

As are all human constructs which exist nowhere but our own imaginations-- politics, philosophies, arts, etc...

Unless of course we realize that any belief system, any philosophy, and political party may be used to help humanity as well as hurt humanity.

Otherwise, one may as well say "philosophy is a cancer on humanity"

 

Eliminator

(190 posts)
141. Fail
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:17 PM
Dec 2011

Religion's central feature is willful ignorance of reality. Politics and philosophy at the very least attempt to reflect reality in an honest way, even if they fail to achieve it. Only religion tells people to believe in things that are proven false.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
139. Worse, more like the after effects of a stroke.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:15 PM
Dec 2011

Things in the head just don't seem to work correctly and clearly.

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
74. You've about covered it.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:43 AM
Dec 2011

Unless you want to get all nit picky about it and bring up the in-your-face religious nuts who will walk in your house uninvited and preach to your face that you will burn in hell if you don't do things their way. Other than that, yeah, you've pretty much got my gripes covered.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
85. "walk in your house uninvited..." In some states it's legal to KILL the people you just described.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:29 AM
Dec 2011

No hyperbole here. Nope.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
84. Wow...fail....
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:27 AM
Dec 2011

If someone believed their cat made them play football better then I would laugh at that also!

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
87. Find me an instance where Tim Tebow or any other person of faith made the claim that
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:33 AM
Dec 2011

God made them "play football better".

For that matter, do everyone a favor and find the quote where TT said "God is on the side of the Denver Broncos" or even came CLOSE to implying it.

You can't, won't, and it doesn't really matter anyway.

Bigotry is what it is, and it's practiced by all sides every day. That's just the way of the world. Call it human nature.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
91. LOL. Yeah, I don't think so. Not unless you say something like "GOD HELPED!"
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:44 AM
Dec 2011

Otherwise, you might as well be thanking the grass for not letting your cleat slip as you made the cut inside the linebacker.

Hatred and intolerance. Nothing to see here... move along!

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
92. Is it ok to hate a parent who lets their kid die because they think god will cure them?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:47 AM
Dec 2011

I don't think you thought too deeply about this! LOL

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
94. I could find that parent at fault for their child's death. Hate? I guess that depends on your
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:49 AM
Dec 2011

definition.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
100. You think I'm full of hate because I don't want creationists writing public school science textbooks
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 04:16 AM
Dec 2011

because I object to Jesus-drunk pharmacists lecturing women who want their oral contraceptive prescriptions filled, because I think the dominioninst, fundamentalist movement in our country is horribly dangerous to everyones' liberty.

Mostly, because I'm an Atheist who doesn't do what we've been expected to do for so many years, now-- namely, keep our traps good and shut about our lack of belief.

For this, I'm full of "hate". Oh, and because I'm making fun of the fundy football player, and as such persecuting the endlessly put-upon Christian majority in this country, still nursing their wounds from being told "Happy Holidays" at the supermarket and not being allowed to put a giant wooden baby Jesus on the courthouse lawn, instead -sniff!- having to set him up on the tax-exempt church lawn. UNFAIR!

So hate is probably in the eye of the beholder.

 

Eliminator

(190 posts)
145. You're intentionally being obtuse
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:20 PM
Dec 2011

Every time someone prays for a game to be won, or a pass to me made, or a goal to be scored is believing that God somehow is involved in the outcome. Every time someone thanks God for their good fortune they are saying God helped. Do they have to say the actual words "God helped" for you to be satisfied?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
174. I don't think you understand what prayer means to people of faith.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:49 PM
Dec 2011

They don't pray for outcomes.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

Eliminator

(190 posts)
177. Yes they do, all the time
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:51 PM
Dec 2011

And if you want to pretend like that isn't the case, then there's no point in continuing this.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
157. Kurt Warner after winning the Super Bowl...
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:34 PM
Dec 2011

...and many other athletes that claim that god is on their side, without admitting the logical fallacy that means by definition he is 'against' the other side...which is weird from a god that supposedly loves everyone unconditionally, with conditions...

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
187. Yup. "Without Him none of this is possible"...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:30 AM
Dec 2011

...or words very close to that...I know, I remember, I threw up a little bit in my mouth when the sanctimonious prick said it...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
95. Knock yourself out, Jacko.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 03:53 AM
Dec 2011

Taunt me for logic and evidence-based reasoning, and I will mock you for reflexively defending creationists and people who think Jesus cares about the outcome of football games.

Fair is fair.

 

styersc

(2,847 posts)
112. When you have a logical argument, point it out.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:59 AM
Dec 2011

All I've seen so far is narrow minded bigotry. Same as a Klan member trying to convince his neighbors that African-Americans live for watermelon and a Freeper spewing hatred towards Muslims. No difference.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
160. My logical argument is that it's fucking goofy to thank a giant invisible sky-man for his help with
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:16 PM
Dec 2011

your football games on Planet Earth.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
127. It is the construct in the minds of bigots that keeps me from equal rights.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:11 AM
Dec 2011

Were it not for dogmas and ignorance, there could be equal rights for my people. We are not 'threatened' we are actually attacked with words and actions using the religion as an excuse or rationalization.
Is that really funny? It sure is not funny to me and others who want equality and get told that some delusional person thinks 'God sanctifies only my kind'.
Heretics by the standard of their own faith, and lousy neighbors by any other. And no, they are not 'all like that'. Still, they do what they do, and they do it in the name of their religion. They speak, of course, for God Almighty. Of course!

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
158. Sounds to me like the people angry at Maher's joke are the ones feeling threatened.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:38 PM
Dec 2011

Why else be angry? Maher's just pointing out the obvious. It's the obviousness that's threatening.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
38. It is quite entertaining to see Tebow lose.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 09:31 PM
Dec 2011

This charlatan needed to be cut down to size, and he was.


For the right, "controversy" exists just by the existence of non right wingers.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
72. How is he a charlatan?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:17 AM
Dec 2011

Do you think his faith isn't genuine? Seems to me he really is a person of strong faith. I don't doubt he truly believes what he says he believes. If he is faking, he's damn good at it. From what I know his parents were missionaries - no doubt he was raised a household where Christian faith was instilled from day one.

I don't think his performance is much connected to his faith, but I don't doubt that he thinks it is.

Dorian Gray

(13,469 posts)
154. I think charlatan
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:14 PM
Dec 2011

is the wrong word.

I find the hatred vs. the absolute love for him based upon his religiosity perplexing. I did find myself rooting both for him AND against him because the way his success or failure riled people up was amusing to me.

Football players have often thanked God for their successes. Like this is something new?

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
185. I don't think he's a charlatan.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:54 AM
Dec 2011

He just needs to understand that jamming his faith down our throats is not a way to make friends and influence people.

I have no issue with people's faith...only when they make such a big show of it as Christ in Cleats does.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
57. What would this thread be like if Tebow was a Muslim?
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:38 PM
Dec 2011

Just curious.

DU seems very selective in it's mockery of religions at times.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
59. I don't know what the thread would be like,
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:41 PM
Dec 2011

but if Tim Tebow were muslim he would be loathed by the vast majority of people who support him.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
60. In general I think people on the left
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:42 PM
Dec 2011

tend to be less concerned about emotionally damaging people in the majority who hold power, vs. minorities who are oppressed. So I imagine the thread would be different because of that.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
64. Personally, I think all the fundamentalists are whacked in the fucking head.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:45 PM
Dec 2011

And I'll be the first to add that I don't excuse nutbaggery in the name of Islam any more than I do in the name of Christianity or Judaism.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
107. Really? DU considers some patriarchal religions suckier than others?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:19 AM
Dec 2011

As a rule of thumb, the tighter the stranglehold on women, the greater the suck.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
131. We would be defending him from his unseemly dismissal by the Broncos
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:20 AM
Dec 2011

when he refused to stop doing whatever is the islamic equivalent of tebowing.

FarLeftFist

(6,161 posts)
62. Durr, did anybody expect conservatives to have a sense of humor?!
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:44 PM
Dec 2011

Conservatism is solely based on 100% HATE and FEAR.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
63. When the people in love with Tebow.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:44 PM
Dec 2011

Stop claiming that God takes sides in athletic contests, then people like Maher won't have platforms to demonstrate the absurdity of claims of celestial intervention claims. Everyone that boycott HBO will attract three people that buy HBO because of the boycott.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
106. Uh, no. A perfectly ridiculous (and stunningly mean-spirited) false equivalency.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:14 AM
Dec 2011

Calling atheism "wacko" reminds me that Shaw said that Christians haven't accepted death, they have refused to die on any terms whatsoever.

Now that's wacko.

 

BOHICA12

(471 posts)
110. No, they are both out there flame-throwing for fun and profit!
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:16 AM
Dec 2011

Maher & Westboro represent the extreme of their belief systems and in general appear to be very small and damaged people.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
128. Except Maher is not opposed to the rights of any person or grup and Westboro's message is
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:15 AM
Dec 2011

God Hates Fags. Some of us see a clear difference, we know who is a friend and who is out to do great harm to innocent people.

BuddhaGirl

(3,586 posts)
153. ITA
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:03 PM
Dec 2011

Bill is a militant atheist, who attacks religions and those who believe differently than he does.

No different from fundamentalist Christians, Muslims, whatever.

Neither has any respect for the other!

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
73. Usually I defend Tebow
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:21 AM
Dec 2011

I think a lot of the people who dislike him are motivated less by him personally and more by their disdain for faith and people of faith in general. Tebow's just a convenient target.

But this is not a big deal. It's a joke about religion. It's not the first time Maher's done that, nor is it even a particularly eyebrow-raising example of his humor.

Actually I thought it was kind of funny

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
76. It's more disdain for people who blatantly disregard basic precepts of the religion they trumpet..
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:58 AM
Dec 2011

Matthew 6:5

Keep in mind that atheists are the most knowledgeable group about religion in the USA.

Consider also that the majority of atheists in the US were raised as Christians, it's people like Tebow who drive many intelligent people away from church and religion.

http://pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx

On average, Americans correctly answer 16 of the 32 religious knowledge questions on the survey by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life. Atheists and agnostics average 20.9 correct answers. Jews and Mormons do about as well, averaging 20.5 and 20.3 correct answers, respectively. Protestants as a whole average 16 correct answers; Catholics as a whole, 14.7. Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons perform better than other groups on the survey even after controlling for differing levels of education.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
77. Is he one of those people?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:10 AM
Dec 2011

Not familiar with his interpretation of faith. Though I do think he does charity work on a regular basis.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
83. Many Christians would be far more popular with non-Christians..
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:26 AM
Dec 2011

If those Christians would just let us figure out they are indeed Christians.

Matthew 7:16

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
86. I don't deny it's over the top
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:29 AM
Dec 2011

At least it is in my opinion. But I also think that many people are over the top with their core beliefs, religious or otherwise. Certainly plenty of people on DU are.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
90. DU is an online discussion forum..
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:44 AM
Dec 2011

That's what we're here for, people not only let their hair down, some of them put on personas. I certainly don't believe everything I read on DU.

I could not possibly care less about football, Tebow is the only current player I could even pick out of a lineup, the reason I'm familiar with his face is that it's been stuck all over DU for years now, almost entirely due to his remarkably public religious antics.

Some things and some people are just aesthetically displeasing, I feel that way about Tebow.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
93. Reminds me of something Joe Madison mentioned a week or two ago
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:48 AM
Dec 2011

If you're not familiar with him, he's one of the more well-known talk show hosts on African-American radio (and he's from my hometown

He pointed out that black athletes have been displaying their faith on the field for decades, yet nobody seemed to care much about it until Tebow. Not sure what to make of that.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
115. Their mommies never made anti-abortion commercials that were aired during the Superbowl.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:10 AM
Dec 2011

I suspect that may have had a lot to do with all the attention paid to this clown. That made him the instant poster child of the holier-than-thou crowd. BTW, I have seen numerous displays of faith my Latino baseball players over the years, too, and nobody ever cared about that, either.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
102. "a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage"
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 04:53 AM
Dec 2011

Funny that someone would think those are character-damning negatives.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
113. Bolling was just projecting.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:03 AM
Dec 2011

The right wing, and their propaganda channel are experts at projection. If ever there was "disgusting, vile trash", it would be him and everyone who works with him.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
114. If God is on your side?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:05 AM
Dec 2011

Are you supposed to win every game? If you win 5 in a row and then lose 1, that proves you to be a hypocrite and that God does not want you to win?

It's a silly argument, whichever side you may be on, whether you are religious or not.

Tim Tebow is a football player. And a pretty tough one at that. He is a young man who is a product of his environment. Maybe he will change as he gets older.

If the Broncos go on a winning streak and make it to the Super Bowl, does that prove there is a God?

Of course not!

I try to be tolerant of religious or non-religious beliefs, but some crap is just over the top.

randr

(12,408 posts)
124. This whole thread is a prime example of why I hope the Broncos trade Tebow
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:00 AM
Dec 2011

He has taken the sport from the game and turned it into another reason to cause division.
All I want to do is watch great football. I do not want to know about any players personal life, beliefs, or what they eat for breakfast.
I hope the Broncos trade Tebow asap much like they did with Marino. Maybe there is another Elway out there.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
132. I'm glad people don't freak-out and write articles about my tweets.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:31 AM
Dec 2011

I wonder what it feels like to have the tweet power famous people have? It has to feel strange.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
143. I agree with Maher. If you claim God helps you win, you have to explain what happened when you lose.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:17 PM
Dec 2011

Pretty simple really.

And it's gag-worthy for a coddled human being (in the grand scheme of things) to claim such a thing when millions of innocent children worldwide are dying due to no fault of their own.

If that's your god, I say he's one sick bastard and to hell with him.

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
149. Maher will likely see being called "disgusting vile trash" by Fox News as a badge of honor.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:42 PM
Dec 2011

Colbert and Stewart will likely be envious of his accomplishment.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
156. As usual, Maher's tone is overly harsh. As usual, he has a point.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:30 PM
Dec 2011

Here he's talking about a sincere, hardworking young athlete whose faith apparently sustains and inspires him. Nothing wrong with any of that. So perhaps Tim Tebow is not the best choice of targets for religious mockery.

But it's also true that Tebow's flavor of religious zeal -- where "Jesus" is an active supporter of nice, clean-cut young men everywhere, helping them win football games and the like, IS ridiculous arrogance and part and parcel of the worst of American Christian fundamentalism. "Look at me, my entire life is the special project of an almighty, omniscient deity who favors my worldview and political preferences. I'm special, and my church is right about everything."

Pretty silly, and not entirely innocuous either. If Tim Tebow writes Biblical citations on his lampblack patches, and Tim Tebow thinks abortion is immoral, and Tim Tebow wins football games because he has earned the favor of Jesus, we should all think seriously about disagreeing with him.

It's not going too far to point out how ridiculous and pompous all of that is by raising the obvious question of what it means when the Chosen One falls flat on his face. Is his god weak, or did he simply displease him? Etc.

Again, Tebow wouldn't be my first choice of a target for this kind of scathing, dead-on accurate mockery. I doubt he's ever stopped to think that all the Christian posturing is a form of self-aggrandizement. But it is, so it's not entirely unfair for Maher to point it out, either.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
159. So what's the disgusting vile offensive part?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:52 PM
Dec 2011

This is really pretty tame for Maher.

Honestly if you're going to praise God every time something good happens to you then you have to expect people point to God as the source of your poor performances as well.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
165. Matt Taibbi made the best point about Teblow
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 07:10 PM
Dec 2011

and that is that when trying to throw a football he looks like a moose trying to fuck a washing machine. And that's totally true.

applegrove

(118,012 posts)
169. The Fox News hates tv that still deals with actual discernable reality. How can
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:13 PM
Dec 2011

they indoctrinate their viewers with lies if the truth is on HBO Friday nights.

 

Blacksheep214

(877 posts)
188. I have to ask.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:25 PM
Dec 2011

Why would an all powerful creator construct a world in which to survive, creatures must rip apart other living, breathing creatures in a vision of violence and gore? Being eaten or swallowed alive. This is who people choose to worship?

This is intelligent design?

I think the Air Fern qualifies as a success.

If someone asks if I'm a Christian, I ask them if they have a small penis. Both questions are personal and private.

I'm old enough to remember when America had dignity and manners and wouldn't ask strangers such things. All faiths flourished. Now with the outspokenness and political moves, membership is tanking.

It's not Mahers comment, but the fact that religion has lost respect due to the outspoken extremists, i.e. Falwell, Robertson, any mega church, ... These days it's all in the show.

Dont'cha miss the days of quiet reflection?

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