Am I the only one who hates grave dancing?

[cwydro]

No matter what party or no matter who?

I think I'm alone here, but that's ok.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. No, you're not the only one

I think it's appalling, no matter who died or who is doing the dancing.

You're not alone.

[cwydro]

5. Thank you.

I love this site, but sometimes I have to go away because of the horrendous (and frightening) hatred.

[cwydro]

19. The thing is...I think it's an ugly thing.

We're all human, and we all die.

I'm so glad I'm not alone on this.

[yeoman6987]

65. You are far from alone

[Human101948]

2. I prefer urinating myself.

Accomplishes two satisfactions.

[Igel]

22. One should avoid urinating oneself.

Whether it involves squirting urine on oneself of forcing oneself out through his (or her) own urethra.

Then again, if either satisfies you who am I to judge? Just not in public.

[Human101948]

70. I was trying to phrase it so I didn't have to say, "Piss on his grave..."

Now you've gone and made me say it!

[dchill]

101. Is that urinalysis?

[Human101948]

107. Stream of consciousness...

I had to let it go.

[liberal_at_heart]

3. no. You're not alone. I don't like it either, but we're on an internet message board. I think the

best we can do is trash those threads.

[cwydro]

11. I've trashed several in the last few days.

Usually I don't.

Sigh.

[yourout]

4. depends...polka, waltz, or macarena?

[hfojvt]

6. it's you and me

but it would be okay to dance for Tiffany because she's a Nth.

[MineralMan]

7. No, you're not the only one.

It's an ugly thing to do. It's embarrassing that so many engage in it, in my opinion.

[bettyellen]

8. nope. but I can't lie and say I'm not glad his job is open.

[cwydro]

43. bettyellen, I agree.

[bettyellen]

55. I have lost too many loved ones to be cruel about it. I am capable of loving people I disagree with,

there are many ways in which we are all flawed.

[cwydro]

56. This is one of the most beautiful posts I've seen on DU.

Thank you for posting it.

[bettyellen]

58. that is very kind of you to say, thank you.

[Blue_Tires]

9. I typically don't approve of it

but I have lifted my restriction for certain names of the past...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

10. I'm sorry, my dear cwydro, but I like it.

It's just very satisfying to finally see some loathsome "person" finally get removed from this world.

[cwydro]

12. Ah no Peg! I don't see you as a grave dancer...no no no.

Of course, I'm glad that that creep is gone...but I just cannot rejoice at any death.

"Do not ask for whom the bell tolls..."

When Cheney goes, I'll be glad too. I just cannot celebrate a death. I cannot.

Perhaps death has come to close to me these past years.

[hfojvt]

85. I don't care for double standards or tribal hatred

If somebody dies on our side and the other side engages in grave dancing, then we will use that as evidence of how little class they have, and how vile and hateful they are.

And Cheney? He's pretty ancient history, has no more power to do harm than any other rich person. When I saw Bruce Almighty in 2005, I said that if I had God's power, I would use it to take Cheney home. Doesn't mean I would be happy about it, only that I was sure that would make the world a better place.

Many people are probably celebrating that Scalia isn't around to influence five more years (or more) worth of SCOTUS decisions. Last month he was far more relevant than Cheney.

[Warpy]

68. Some people grave dance out in the open

and others do it quietly, a silent cha-cha in the kitchen after everybody's gone to bed.

Put me in the camp of "it's great that a toxic presence on the highest court is gone, too bad a man had to die to achieve it."

[Glassunion]

13. Agreed.

I've been trashing them as the pop up.

It's immature, and frankly rather sick. When someone I dislike passes away, I just simply do nothing.

I have to feel bad for their family, as they lost a loved one. We don't always see eye to eye with our loved ones, but we still do love them. I did not agree with one of my grandfathers on politics. In fact we were rather opposite. But if the day he passed away, I found anything close to what's being posted today about him, that would absolutely devastate me. I loved Pop Pop, I cried when he passed, but we never really saw eye to eye on a lot of things...

[Gabi Hayes]

17. I'm sure the first thing his family said upon hearing

about his expiration (why wasn't he with his wifey, btw?) was to jump online and say what they were saying at DU.

I said everything I've said about him when he was alive that I've said in the last few days

he deserves all the respect he's shown to the less fortunate of the world, by hauling up the liferafts after he climbed aboard the gravy train. how's that for a mixed metaphor? who cares, I'm too saddened by the lack of decorum here to construct cogent sentences

[Glassunion]

27. Your reply is exactly the reason that I am staying out of those shit threads.

[Gabi Hayes]

36. goody for you! enjoy:

do you haiku?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027608578

[HassleCat]

14. Same here

I have not responded to a single thread on that topic because so many of them are filled with glee at the thought of somebody dying. I could see it when Franco died and Spain rejoiced, but this is different.

[cwydro]

34. I remember when Franco died. I hear ya there.

I understand.

The grave dancing here annoys me.

I just cannot understand glee at another human dying,

[Gabi Hayes]

57. so, same for serial killers/rapists/cannibals,

genocidal maniacs, mimes, ventriloquists, Harvey Levin?

guys like that?

[HassleCat]

94. Yep.

That's why I'm against the death penalty.

[Gabi Hayes]

112. adamantly agree about DP

but I fail to see the connection between antipathy to the DP and judging a rotten person's actions at the time of his/her death if you revile them while he/she is still alive

[juxtaposed]

15. i have felt it is in very poor taste, and there is still one that has a bloody hand smacking an

insect to this day.. Sad but still true. Why would someone relish another person demise, strange for me to understand.

[CentralMass]

16. Yes. I don't like it either.

[Mister Ed]

18. Thank you. I share your sentiments. n/t

[cwydro]

25. Thank you.

It's good to know there are good people on DU.

[IcyPeas]

20. count me in.

if you have nothing nice to say......

[TexasProgresive]

21. Nope

[Igel]

23. Nope.

Shows a lack of empathy and compassion.

The more militant a progressive, the more RW-like s/he is often seems to be the case.

[pintobean]

24. With real people, I agree.

An online user account is a different story.

[TTUBatfan2008]

26. I don't like it at all.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is one of Scalia's best friends. I don't like his political beliefs, but it seems to me he had an outgoing personality and was friendly with people of different beliefs. Obviously with 9 kids and 36 grandkids, he has a large family in mourning. I'm not going to dance on his grave.

[cannabis_flower]

28. I'm pretty sure..

That if it was Obama...

[WillowTree]

31. Doesn't make it right.

I, for one, make it a habit not to emulate the behavior of people whose behavior I find abhorrent. Just sayin'.

[lunamagica]

29. I agree with you. eom

[NCTraveler]

30. You aren't the only one. I like to shit on them when they are alive. nt.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. I think you are not a thorough DU user. This post happens

every time ***someone*** dies.

See: Breitbart, Reagan, etal.

[cwydro]

40. Lol.I've been here for years.

And seen many grave dances.

I don't like them.

Not sure what you mean by a "thorough DU user".

[ScreamingMeemie]

42. I know you have. I was being tongue in cheek.

In other words, same as it ever was and it's a 50/50 split... which you and I (ca. 2003) know well by now.

Hope that makes it clearer for you. Thanks.

[cwydro]

45. Sorry hon...my bad.

[ScreamingMeemie]

46. No worries.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. I get your point but on the other hand, it's part of human nature. In the musical Scrooge with

Albert Finney, the Ghost of Christmas Future shows Ebenezer his funeral, at which the people sing a peppy tune called 'Thank You Very Much' (the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me). This is a film intended for kids and based on a great classic ....so I'm not sure it is a great wrong on all occasions....

[cwydro]

47. Yeah, but that is before he got to change his bad old self, right?

That was a cautionary tale.

[Bluenorthwest]

60. And if we falsely weep for dead villains where lies the caution?

I think it's just how life is. Tony opposed the rights and happiness of others, who never did so to him. If he gets mocked in death for being an asshole that's because he was one. RBG can be his friend they have lots in common and if I was a Justice I would not make any wisecracks about him. But I'm just a citizen he attacked in the name of his faith which teaches us that Tony is now in heaven which is better so the rest of us can just say that Tony was like going to a full length opera, love it or hate it by the time the curtain comes down you're usually petty damn glad it's over.

[WillowTree]

35. Of course you're not.

But thanks for the opportunity to see your sentiments (and my own) reiterated.

[cwydro]

49. thank you.

My faith in DU is restored

Hate is hate. No matter who is espousing it.

[PeteSelman]

37. Being dead doesn't afford you any greater respect than being alive does.

Have you no respect? The man is DEAD!

Bad guys are bad guys alive or dead. I'm happy or relieved when bad guys die.

[cwydro]

54. I agree with this.

I'm not unhappy that a bad guy is gone, but I still will not dance on his grave,

[onenote]

38. I'm with you

Sounds corny, but I do believe that the world would be a better place if folks lived by the adage of do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Seems like a better "golden rule" than the one that Scalia lived by (he who has the gold rules), but that's the point -- stay above, don't sink to their level.

[nichomachus]

39. Grave dancing can be cathartic -- it brings closure

[-none]

41. Some people need the dirt packed down really well.

So there's that. Especially if done to music. Scalia is one that needs the special attention.

[CharlotteVale]

44. It depends. If it's for someone who want to deny me the right to

control my own body, I'll dance all night.

[Smarmie Doofus]

48. Me too.

Couldn't stand him or his politics but civilized people don't rejoice over another person's.....even a sworn enemy's..... death.

[Orrex]

50. If I had danced on him while he was alive, I'd have been arrested.

[KamaAina]

51. I voted to hide a literal grave dancing post

It had Colbert in front of a line of dancing showgirls. It survived 4-3.

[Gabi Hayes]

59. link?

thanks

[KamaAina]

72. Read it and weep.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027606910

[bettyellen]

84. that is nauseating. and people let it pass without comment, because personalities.

[KamaAina]

90. I once made a silly football reference in a thread about a kid in Africa

who was being guarded by lions, comparing them to the hapless Detroit Lions.

That got alerted on. And hidden.

[bettyellen]

95. Crazy- that was a feel good story too. If the child had been attacked I could see it, but....

[snooper2]

110. Um, its a post on the intertubes, that is NOT literal grave dancing

This is!

[Hissyspit]

52. Fuck Scalia.

[jberryhill]

53. I can't stand it

Especially getting those grass stains off my go-go boots - ugh!

[840high]

61. You're not alone.

[RufusTFirefly]

62. Nope. I'm totally with you on this.

I realize that some people find it cathartic, but frankly I think it robs us of some of our humanity.

Although I hate injustice with all my heart and celebrate freedom and equality with enthusiasm, I hate nobody and refuse to celebrate anyone's death or misfortune.

[Gabi Hayes]

63. OK, I apologize. I just wish he'd taken better care of himself,

so he could've stayed on the court for another 30 years, and done that much more for the commonweal

If only he'd paid more attention to his scans:

[Nye Bevan]

64. Bernie Sanders showed a lot more class on this than many of his supporters (nt)

[Andy823]

66. Not alone

I can't understand some of the things I read here on DU lately. Grave dancing is just another example of the craziness that has taken over the boards.

[Control-Z]

67. You're not alone.

Whoever it is usually has a grieving family and people who sincerely loved him/her. There is good in every one at some point - our fellow human beings. I wonder, where did it go? But a little compassion for the people who loved him and really knew him, like we never could, couldn't hurt. We all know in our hearts who he was on the job and what he did to so many.

I will admit I'm incredibly intrigued by the the timing, his future replacement, and how much good could be gained - how the country could honestly move forward with the right person in his seat. But these are thoughts that don't include celebrating his death. Something I'd be be very ashamed to do.

I don't wish harm on anyone except possibly ISIS. Even then, what I really want is just for them to stop. And when it comes to individuals, by name, I feel sickened.

I didn't celebrate when Osama Bin Laden was taken and killed. I just felt sick and sad that it had to be.

I guess I could get a hide for this post but it is how I feel.

[RandiFan1290]

69. Find a 'safe space' nt

[Yo_Mama]

71. No, you are certainly not. I was literally repulsed by some of the DU stuff.

I stepped away to deal with it.

You are very, very much NOT ALONE.

[anamnua]

73. I agree. It's bad form.

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It's good to see the poster has got a fair degree of validation. My view when someone I dislike passes on is that it is now between them and God Almighty.
Incidentally dancing on the graves of recently deceased folk whose politics you don't like is a Free Republic specialty -- one of the things that nauseated me about that site.

[Lurks Often]

74. You are not the only one

and I increasingly find those that do grave dance not worth listening to on ANY subject they choose to post about.

[Xolodno]

75. I've avoided the threads....

..far as I'm concerned, he's in God's domain. If you are atheist...then he's completely out of the equation.

In either case, history is littered with flawed people (including Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, etc.) The more important thing is to make the future better and learn from the flaws and successes of the past.

[Live and Learn]

76. Nope. nt

[Bonx]

77. No, not at all.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

78. Dancing? No.

I am very glad he is no longer on the Supreme Court, however. He caused a lot of damage, and while I'm not doing the cha-cha over his mortal remains, so to speak, I'm not overcome with grief, either.

[Generic Brad]

80. It's not for me

But I understand why people sometimes react that way.

[AgadorSparticus]

81. I posted in the wrong place so I am going to redo it. But I agree with you.

I am not one to grave ever grave dance because I try to remember that we are ALL flawed. And behind this person that I vehemently disagree with, is a son, father, grandfather, uncle, brother, husband, friend, or mentor. And I would like to think that we are more compassionate than that.

[Maedhros]

82. No. It's petty and useless.

Enforces tribal identity, though.

[steve2470]

83. Stalin, Hitler, Franco, Pol Pot, other genocidal killers I'm forgetting, I'll dance on their grave..

Scalia and other malefactors at his level ? I'll maintain my silence. I was never a fan of his, and I don't think history will be kind to him. All I'm going to say.

[alarimer]

86. I don't understand automatic respect for the dead, if they are someone you don't like.

Or someone truly loathsome. Scalia did a lot of damage to this country (Bush v. Gore, among other things). And anyway, he's dead. He certainly doesn't care. Save your respect for people who truly deserve it.

[Mister Ed]

89. I've no respect for Scalia. But I have respect for myself, and for civility.

I hope that helps explains my mindset, and my disinclination to celebrate Scalia's death.

While Scalia was alive, I often declared my belief that his malfeasance in office was genuinely and literally criminal, and that he held his personal whim to be a higher law than the constitution that he had sworn to uphold and defend. I'll continue to declare that belief now that he's dead. But I, personally, will refrain from uncouth glee at his death. Others should do as their conscience dictates.

[Skittles]

87. I'm just happy the man cannot continue to damage America

he was a partisan hack

[RFKHumphreyObama]

88. It's not to my personal taste and I won't indulge in it per se

That having been said, there are two points I think I should make

The first would be that I don't necessarily condemn those who engage in it. Although on a personal level, it isn't something I choose to do, I don't think I have a right to impose a standard on what everyone else should do (certainly not implying that you as the OP, are doing this, just saying this as a general rule). In cases such as Scalia or Ronald Reagan, many of their policies and/or rulings created many victims and if some of those victims react in a certain way to their passing, then I think that's understandable -even if I don't agree with it. It's like in some of the coal mining towns in the UK which were worst affected by Margaret Thatcher's policies -which in some cases destroyed families and lives -when they celebrated her passing. I could empathize with the motivation for them doing so, even if I didn't agree with it.

The second point I would make is that it's important, even when being respectful in the event of a political figure's passing, it's important not to let go of the failures and flaws of that particular character and surrender it to the hagiography that sometimes gets built up after that person's passing. There is a dangerous tendency after a political figure has died to put them on a pedestal and downplay the aspects of their legacy which have been harmful and have had unfortunate consequences in some way. The hagiography created after that political figure's passing subsequently gets turned into the accepted narrative and any dissenting view gets dismissed or marginalized. I think it's important to take a nuanced view in the event of a political figure's passing -that one should be respectful and tactful but at the same time we should be prepared to challenge the emerging hagiography behind that particular character and make sure that the dissenting view is acknowledged and not swept aside to create a false historical narrative. It should be done in a respectful and diplomatic way, of course, but it nevertheless it is important to history that it should be done. And that applies to figures on the left as well as the right

[dbackjon]

91. Did he vote to make your marriage illegal?

[cwydro]

96. I'm gay.

So I guess that would be a yes.

I'm still not going to dance.

[B Calm]

92. I danced the day Reagan died.

It just happen to be the day my son was married. It was two celebrations and boy did I feel like dancing!

[GGJohn]

93. No, you're not,

I've spoken out against it and been royally condemned for it, but I refuse to have that kind of hatred in my heart and will continue to speak out against the grave dancing.

[U4ikLefty]

97. Glad you feel superior.

Trash thread.

[gort]

98. I felt relief

Glad that he can longer wreak damage on our constitution, our lives, our freedom.

He was an unrepentant bastard who gleefully destroyed people's lives with his rulings. The worst being putting that war criminal Bush in power against the will of the people. Fuck him.

[CreekDog]

99. always interesting to see people complain about the grave dancing

when it's over a conservative.

[C Moon]

100. I'm not a fan of it, either.

[dchill]

102. Depends on the grave.

[Binkie The Clown]

103. I'll side with Ruth Bader Ginsburg on this one.

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Sunday that she and her unlikely friend Justice Antonin Scalia "disagreed now and then" but even so, "we were best buddies."

Scalia was found dead Saturday at the age of 79. He and Ginsburg differed greatly in ideologies, but bonded over a shared love of the opera and "our reverence for the Constitution and the institution we serve," Ginsburg said.

The justice added that her pal made her better at her job.

"From our years together at the D.C. Circuit, we were best buddies," she wrote. "We disagreed now and then, but when I wrote for the Court and received a Scalia dissent, the opinion ultimately released was notably better than my initial circulation."

While she may have disagreed with him, Ginsburg acknowledged that Scalia "was eminently quotable, his pungent opinions so clearly stated that his words never slipped from the reader's grasp."

People who disagree with our politics are not evil, not demons, not enemies of the state, and if we want to get anywhere we should treat our opponents with respect. I'm sure that many on DU will disagree with me, just as many on FR will disagree with me. But I stand by that principle.

Criticize ideas, even ridicule ideas, but do not demonize other people. That is not the path to harmony, peace, prosperity, and justice for all.

[DesertFlower]

104. i don't like it either.

[melman]

105. I hate it too

it's really gross.

[Rex]

106. .

[hobbit709]

108. I go along with Dylan on this

"And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead."

[Adrahil]

109. Not this time, sorry.

That man was evil. I hope he enjoys the dirt nap.

[GusBob]

111. It makes me feel uncomfortable

So I don't like it

I remember when Curt Cobaine died ( not a big fan of his music even), Rush Limbaugh treated him like he was Satan.
It made me feel ill
I promised never to be that way

[Deadshot]

113. If you're talking about Scalia,

I wouldn't thrown flaming bags of dog shit at his gaseous, overbloated corpse if I was ever around it.