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Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:31 PM Feb 2016

Advise to DUers: Stay off the DU Primaries Forum

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by NYC Liberal (a host of the General Discussion forum).

If you haven't posted there yet, don't.

I did my first post today. And right now, I'm not sure whether I'm an antisemitic, communist piece of shit, or a wingnut infiltrator who hates humans and eats kittens.

I can't wait until this election is over. The DU Primaries Forum seems to be a tremendously hate-filled place where otherwise sane Democrats have lost their minds. Any remark or response you post is immediately twisted and used to "prove" that you are either for or against Bernie/Hillary/Whoever. Or perhaps I should say Hillary/Bernie/Whoever. After all, putting someone's name first matters.

My congratulations and best wishes to Skinner et.al. for recognizing that a Primaries Forum was needed. It has isolated a "poisonous strain" from the rest of DU. We all have pockets of hatred within ourselves. In this case, Isolation was a wise, civilized, Democratic idea.

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Advise to DUers: Stay off the DU Primaries Forum (Original Post) Cyrano Feb 2016 OP
I put on hip boots when I peek in over there, Lurks Often Feb 2016 #1
I'm still trying to recover Cyrano Feb 2016 #4
Here's the hug.... and may I recommend "trash forum" option? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #22
I think I'll leave the post there as a reminder Cyrano Feb 2016 #23
I trashed 3 forums awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #65
Did you see what s/he posted? kath Feb 2016 #70
I did see it and leftynyc Feb 2016 #88
I'm well prepared having laughed my way through the 'He's a Kenyan Muslim Marxist' administration Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #91
That's because calling Pres Obama leftynyc Feb 2016 #94
Bwaaaaaaahaaa, you really hit the nail on the head...n/t monmouth4 Feb 2016 #2
I said the same -- can't wait till it's over -- last week, then I said WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #3
mmmm...kittens. yummy eom mikehiggins Feb 2016 #5
I have hidden GD-P, Bernie and Hillary... TreasonousBastard Feb 2016 #6
My go to is Greatest awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #66
Me too SwankyXomb Feb 2016 #97
It's sad. cwydro Feb 2016 #7
It's a shame, because it's something many of us want to talk about Chemisse Feb 2016 #39
Exactly how I feel. flygal Feb 2016 #67
You nailed it perfectly, Cyrano, with ".. isolated a "poisonous strain" n/t lamp_shade Feb 2016 #8
The Primaries forum should stay open 'til Jan 20 2017 n/t leftstreet Feb 2016 #9
After the nominee is chosen leftynyc Feb 2016 #89
The admins should really re-open Meta for posts like this. n/t demmiblue Feb 2016 #10
No, no, no... n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #16
Made that decision from the git-go, but it might need emphasizing! WinkyDink Feb 2016 #11
Oddly enough, I've had good luck over there. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #12
So, KentuckyWoman, about that jinx thing, Cyrano Feb 2016 #17
Busting out laughing KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #49
Too many right wing trolls wanting to divide the Democratic party. B Calm Feb 2016 #13
Absolutely. And so many don't recognize them. Kingofalldems Feb 2016 #14
EVERY Jury request I get is from there and I opt out them all. Cannot be bothered with that shit. CurtEastPoint Feb 2016 #15
I am opting out since yesterday malaise Feb 2016 #18
Either there or the Hillary group or the Bernie group gollygee Feb 2016 #27
Same here! Turborama Feb 2016 #38
Ditto. roamer65 Feb 2016 #73
You could be a kitten-eating antisemite! randome Feb 2016 #19
Okay, I confess. I once swallowed a cat hair in Brooklyn Cyrano Feb 2016 #20
We're all working towards the same vision. That's the ironic part. Gregorian Feb 2016 #21
No, we're not. demwing Feb 2016 #108
Heat... kitchen... you get the point. I thought your post was shit btw. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #24
If Cyrano's excellent advice needed confirmation, you've damn sure provided it. (nt) Paladin Feb 2016 #25
Thank you, Paladin Cyrano Feb 2016 #29
Some of the reactions were harsh but you have to take some responsibility for your post. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #45
I won't re-litigate here, Cyrano Feb 2016 #51
Just sayin. You're not completely innocent here. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #52
You win. I'm not a virgin. Cyrano Feb 2016 #54
Then why complain when getting called out on it? liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #56
Because he lost the debate? RobertEarl Feb 2016 #74
just to be clear hfojvt Feb 2016 #107
Correct. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #110
It is not for the faint-hearted Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #26
I think there's some real hate over there Cyrano Feb 2016 #33
OK, now I realize what OP you put up in GD-P Fumesucker Feb 2016 #77
The irony, yes there is irony, nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #28
I found out the hard way. I posted something directly Lint Head Feb 2016 #30
LOL! Texasgal Feb 2016 #31
As a reader more than a writer BKH70041 Feb 2016 #32
I've been on DU for almost 14 years and Cyrano Feb 2016 #35
2008 got pretty rough. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #53
I remember SmileyRose Skittles Feb 2016 #80
SMILE KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #86
... Skittles Feb 2016 #117
I've been on DU for a bit longer with some gaps... I've never seen people care so much Fumesucker Feb 2016 #79
Thanks for the heads up noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #34
DU has become a really sissified place to post. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #36
Right now, you're in General Discussion Cyrano Feb 2016 #40
You act as if you posted something totally benign and inoffensive. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #37
OrwellwasRight has linked to the post Cyrano Feb 2016 #44
Your blaming of others continues. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #47
Okay. I'll eat another kitten while I'm "re-examining" Cyrano Feb 2016 #50
So you have no defense for these accusations? bluedigger Feb 2016 #41
You seem to be... mac2766 Feb 2016 #42
Meta! Iggo Feb 2016 #43
Meanwhile, just try to discuss primary-related topics out in GD. Stinky The Clown Feb 2016 #46
The hosts locked a post nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #55
Overzealousness without oversight. Stinky The Clown Feb 2016 #59
yup nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #61
I cant help it though. Eko Feb 2016 #48
You bet. See posts #24 and #47 Cyrano Feb 2016 #60
sorry but, "we can't elect Bernie because he is a jew and republicans will mock him" is m-lekktor Feb 2016 #57
Nice try, but those aren't my words Cyrano Feb 2016 #62
The replies were ok. Your OP was not. 840high Feb 2016 #64
actually the replies were not that bad hfojvt Feb 2016 #111
the most convenient way in the universe to cower behind implication. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #112
Enjoy it while it lasts, twill be over soon enough nt flamingdem Feb 2016 #58
You bet. Cyrano Feb 2016 #63
Wow, imagine ANYONE being offended by posting our candidate is a "Commie Jew"! Bonobo Feb 2016 #68
Please provide a link to that post Orrex Feb 2016 #81
Sure. Bonobo Feb 2016 #82
That's not the same thing at all Orrex Feb 2016 #83
Gimme a break. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #85
cogent Orrex Feb 2016 #87
Thank you, Orrex Cyrano Feb 2016 #92
You just haven't gotten the hang of it yet... Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #69
"So when Republicans call Bernie a "Communist Jew," slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #71
I don't know, kiva Feb 2016 #72
I think most people are capable of being Aerows Feb 2016 #75
Well .... You are rather dramatic ... Trajan Feb 2016 #76
It was this: "Hillary is the safer bet" in your post that got you in trouble. betsuni Feb 2016 #78
You're probably right, betsuni Cyrano Feb 2016 #95
The logic you use tells me that if a LGBT person was candidate you'd say 'the Straight is the safer Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #103
Agreed ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #84
it's a wretched hive of scum and villainy. nt Javaman Feb 2016 #90
I like it because... Phentex Feb 2016 #93
I hate that place with burning passion. Hate it. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #96
It's OPs in GDP like your own that make it so vitriolic, you indulge in vile rhetoric by claiming it Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #98
You know what. I'm really sick of this shit. Cyrano Feb 2016 #99
Characterizing me does not bother me, it's what you do to avoid addressing the points I made or Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #102
I'm getting tired of jury duty, all juries that vote unanimously Leave it, L. Coyote Feb 2016 #100
Let's dismiss once and for all the Myth that you should not post in GD:P. AngryAmish Feb 2016 #101
I guess I have a short memory but redstatebluegirl Feb 2016 #104
With GD:P in the Trash Can DU is again a wonderful place... Ryano42 Feb 2016 #105
I recently trashed the forum, after posting there for a long time. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #106
I finally came to the conclusion that my sanity would be preserved if I trashed a couple CTyankee Feb 2016 #116
I trashed it almost immediately. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #109
Ain't it funny. I posted a very similar thread a couple of weeks ago. Locked. trof Feb 2016 #113
you don't have to tell me librechik Feb 2016 #114
I venture over there from time to time just to see Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #115
Locking. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #118
 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
1. I put on hip boots when I peek in over there,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

although I don't think I have ever posted there. Most of the juries I am on are for GD: Primaries

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
4. I'm still trying to recover
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:37 PM
Feb 2016

I think I could use a valium, a shot of Tequila, a warm cup of tea, and a hug.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,011 posts)
22. Here's the hug.... and may I recommend "trash forum" option?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
23. I think I'll leave the post there as a reminder
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:36 PM
Feb 2016

But, ohhh, thank you so much for the hug.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
65. I trashed 3 forums
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:26 AM
Feb 2016

(See sig line) and life has been much better.

kath

(10,565 posts)
70. Did you see what s/he posted?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:17 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511166705


might want to read that before you give out hugs.
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
88. I did see it and
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

I don't understand your objection. That's EXACTLY what's coming for Bernie and we need to be prepared for it if he's going to be the nominee. That said, I hardly ever go to GD-P. It's a sewer.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
91. I'm well prepared having laughed my way through the 'He's a Kenyan Muslim Marxist' administration
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

and the 'He's a rapist and his wife orders murders' administration and the 'weak pacifist' administration.

Note that Republicans attacked the faith of Obama, who sings Amazing Grace while giving very Christian eulogies and that they trashed the Christianity of Jimmy Carter, Born Again Jimmy they went after with a gusto bordering on insanity.

So where is the candidate they won't attack with idiotic tropes?
And did it really matter that they called Obama a Kenyan Muslim Marxist? He got elected twice.


So if they attack actual Christians by saying they are Muslims is there any reason to try to pick a candidate they won't denigrate using religion? Or accusations of murder? They say anything. About anyone.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
94. That's because calling Pres Obama
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:28 AM
Feb 2016

a marxist WAS laughable. That's going to be a bit harder sell when we're dealing with a self described socialist (and lets not forget how many Americans actually DO believe he's from someplace else). I know everyone here thinks Americans will sit quietly and listen to a lesson about what a Democratic Socialist actually is but I think they're insane. Americans aren't that smart.

monmouth4

(10,023 posts)
2. Bwaaaaaaahaaa, you really hit the nail on the head...n/t
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016
 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
3. I said the same -- can't wait till it's over -- last week, then I said
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:36 PM
Feb 2016

After a Dem is elected, how long will the honeymoon be before the Hillary/Bernie supporters start shitting on the President? I set the OVER/UNDER at 100 days and took the UNDER.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
5. mmmm...kittens. yummy eom
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:37 PM
Feb 2016

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. I have hidden GD-P, Bernie and Hillary...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:38 PM
Feb 2016

about a third of the "latest" page is blank, but my life is simpler.

I do peek in once and a while, but then have to bathe.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
66. My go to is Greatest
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:27 AM
Feb 2016

and it looks much better.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
97. Me too
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

Makes things much nicer here.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
7. It's sad.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:38 PM
Feb 2016

I've still not decided because I like both candidates.

But the supporters on both sides have acted horribly.

One side is worse than the other in my opinion, but that won't sway me either way.

Chemisse

(30,965 posts)
39. It's a shame, because it's something many of us want to talk about
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:09 PM
Feb 2016

But not like that!

flygal

(3,231 posts)
67. Exactly how I feel.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:30 AM
Feb 2016

This is my 4th election on DU and this one is the worst by far.

lamp_shade

(15,052 posts)
8. You nailed it perfectly, Cyrano, with ".. isolated a "poisonous strain" n/t
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:39 PM
Feb 2016

leftstreet

(36,208 posts)
9. The Primaries forum should stay open 'til Jan 20 2017 n/t
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
89. After the nominee is chosen
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016

it'll be changed to General Election. It will stay separate until inauguration day. At least that's what they did for 2008.

demmiblue

(37,696 posts)
10. The admins should really re-open Meta for posts like this. n/t
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:41 PM
Feb 2016

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
16. No, no, no... n/t
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:08 PM
Feb 2016
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
11. Made that decision from the git-go, but it might need emphasizing!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:42 PM
Feb 2016

KentuckyWoman

(6,845 posts)
12. Oddly enough, I've had good luck over there.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:57 PM
Feb 2016

Granted the disagreement is pretty vigorous but I've yet to be told i'm the second coming of Satan. Of course i may have just jinxed myself by posting this.....

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
17. So, KentuckyWoman, about that jinx thing,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:17 PM
Feb 2016

you shouldn't be superstitious.

After all, the Salem Witch Trials were held to root out only the guilty.

It would seem that superstition is a form of guilt and it's quite possible that you are not a witch. At least you have not yet been proven to be one.

(It's always better to confess in advance. Especially if you've been on the DU Primary Forum site.)

KentuckyWoman

(6,845 posts)
49. Busting out laughing
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

I swear on a cauldron full of lizard ears that I have not been over in GD with a double wide paint brush rabble rousing.

OK - rabble rousing yes - but I left the broad brush in my other pants while I was there. AND I made sure to delouse before I came back over to the bright side.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
13. Too many right wing trolls wanting to divide the Democratic party.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:57 PM
Feb 2016

Kingofalldems

(39,102 posts)
14. Absolutely. And so many don't recognize them.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

CurtEastPoint

(19,073 posts)
15. EVERY Jury request I get is from there and I opt out them all. Cannot be bothered with that shit.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:04 PM
Feb 2016

malaise

(276,025 posts)
18. I am opting out since yesterday
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

because when I posted a hilarious jury result I was told it was in the wrong forum. So since I don't post there, don't select me for jury duty there.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
27. Either there or the Hillary group or the Bernie group
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:05 PM
Feb 2016

I used to get tons of jury requests for the gungeon and Israel/Palenstine. But no more! It's all Hillary hate or Bernie hate all day and all night.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
38. Same here!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:04 PM
Feb 2016

roamer65

(36,952 posts)
73. Ditto.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. You could be a kitten-eating antisemite!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:19 PM
Feb 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
20. Okay, I confess. I once swallowed a cat hair in Brooklyn
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

And we all know that "Brooklyn" is a synonym for where Jews live.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
21. We're all working towards the same vision. That's the ironic part.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:29 PM
Feb 2016
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
108. No, we're not.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

Some want to drastically reform the Dem party, some are fine with the status quo.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
24. Heat... kitchen... you get the point. I thought your post was shit btw.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

There's a post in GDP that perfectly illustrates what you were doing. It goes like this:

Some people are saying your momma's a whore. I DON'T, but some people are saying it.

Paladin

(28,646 posts)
25. If Cyrano's excellent advice needed confirmation, you've damn sure provided it. (nt)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
29. Thank you, Paladin
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

I had no civil reply, but you provided one.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
45. Some of the reactions were harsh but you have to take some responsibility for your post.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:34 PM
Feb 2016

Just because Republicans will call Bernie a communist Jew does not mean he should not get the nomination. Hillary will get called plenty of horrible names by the Republicans if she is the nominee. Any Democratic nominee will get called horrible names. After all they called Obama a socialist Muslim. If we base our vote on what the Republicans will call the nominee we might as well not vote at all.

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
51. I won't re-litigate here,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

but I have two things to say:

1. You're in the wrong forum.

2. Oy.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
52. Just sayin. You're not completely innocent here.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
54. You win. I'm not a virgin.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

And I don't have a Christ complex

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
56. Then why complain when getting called out on it?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
74. Because he lost the debate?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:27 AM
Feb 2016

And was pointed out to be just stirring it up?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
107. just to be clear
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

you meant this post http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1166705

and NOT the OP you are replying to.

Winning the election is kind of important though. It's rather naive to think the S-word and by implication the C-word are not going to be played.

That's enough to stop me from supporting Bernie. I do NOT think my party can afford to tie itself to the S-word.

It does though also remind me of what the Hillary camp did in 2008. Circulated a bunch of rightwing attacks at Obama - as a reason to support Clinton. Truly, I was afraid that the racism of this country would hurt us down-ticket in 2008. And I was wrong about that. In reality, it was my guy Edwards who would have imploded in the general, having been exposed as a schmuck.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
110. Correct.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:36 PM
Feb 2016

Go Bernie!

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
26. It is not for the faint-hearted
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:58 PM
Feb 2016

However, there are good people on each side.....try to focus on them.

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
33. I think there's some real hate over there
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:24 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie and Hillary/or/ Hillary and Bernie don't hate each other.

They are staying civil, I believe they respect each other, and whichever one gets the nomination will be supported by the other.

I don't believe the same is true about the insanity that has infected far too many who are posting on the DU Primary Forum. It is not a healthy place.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
77. OK, now I realize what OP you put up in GD-P
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:08 AM
Feb 2016

That technique has a hell of a sordid history in GD-P, you may have engaged in that in all innocence but at this point no one is going to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's happened too many times.

That was like starting a circumcision thread in GD and then acting innocent when it turns into a flame war.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. The irony, yes there is irony,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

Is that whoever gets elected will not change things to the land of hope and unicorns. But shh...don't tell them...

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
30. I found out the hard way. I posted something directly
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

related to the primaries and it was locked.

Texasgal

(17,137 posts)
31. LOL!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

Yup... it's a cesspool. I stay away. It's amazing to me how nasty people are in that forum.

I stay away. I cannot stomach it.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
32. As a reader more than a writer
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:18 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:34 PM - Edit history (2)

As a reader more than a writer, I'd say this forum is just as bad.

And your definition of "sane Democrats (who) have lost their minds" is definitely much more narrow than mine.

But you go around calling Sanders a commie Jew, then you'll get what's coming to you.

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
35. I've been on DU for almost 14 years and
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:42 PM
Feb 2016

I don't ever recall the ongoing venom that is taking place in that forum.

There has, of course, been some ugliness in DU General Discussion. But never to the degree that can be witnessed today in the DU Primary Forum.

Your observation that this forum is "just as bad" seems misguided to me. Given the thousands of threads here, there are of course some in which people throw garbage at each other. However, the same can't be said of the Primary Forum in which most threads turn into shit fights in the monkey house.

KentuckyWoman

(6,845 posts)
53. 2008 got pretty rough.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

My late sister, DUer SmileyRose, had just started the first round of chemo when things were really heating up in late 2007. She asked me log in under her name and just sit and read her some of the posts over the phone when she was too tired to read.

I remember some very ugly exchanges but back then it was mods on an old version of DU. I remember A LOT of pizza

Skittles

(157,262 posts)
80. I remember SmileyRose
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:02 AM
Feb 2016

KentuckyWoman

(6,845 posts)
86. SMILE
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

I do. Feel VERY fortunate she was in my life. Besides. She was funny as hell.

Skittles

(157,262 posts)
117. ...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016


I always wanted a sister (I got five brothers)

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
79. I've been on DU for a bit longer with some gaps... I've never seen people care so much
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:18 AM
Feb 2016

I think the Bernie/Hillary divide at the moment is by far the most important thing that has happened in politics since at least Reagan and maybe back to Nixon.

That is what is inspiring the passion you see.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
34. Thanks for the heads up
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:39 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know if I've posted there or not. I usually just bring up latest threads and post in threads that interest me. I really haven't paid attention where the threads are located but I guess I need to start watching because I somehow posted in a Hillary group thread and got an email telling me I was banned from the group? (didn't know there was one). Someone had posted a list of endorsements she had gotten from other politicians so I said: But she's not the "establishment" candidate, right? lol I thought it was funny but evidently they didn't.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
36. DU has become a really sissified place to post.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:59 PM
Feb 2016

Posters are "classified" and isolated into exclusive Bernie and Hillary groups here on the basis of some political obsessive's opinion and are thereafter not permitted to post across groups. Thus there is no debate, no rebuttal. So I spend most of my time in grown-up places such as huff post and facebook where such division nonsense is not allowed to occur.

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
40. Right now, you're in General Discussion
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

and there are no "sides" here. You can say virtually anything you want to say and there are those who agree or disagree.

What I've posted here refers to the DU Primary Forum where people spend their days throwing dung at each other.

Please don't judge all of Democratic Underground by that forum, or by forums that are dedicated only to Hillary, or only to Bernie.

There ain't no "classifications" here in General Discussion. Stick around for a while and stay out of the "exclusive" clubs.

OrwellwasRight

(5,209 posts)
37. You act as if you posted something totally benign and inoffensive.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:02 PM
Feb 2016

Don't place the blame solely on others.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511166705

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
44. OrwellwasRight has linked to the post
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

that I put onto the "hate forum" earlier today. The one that my OP here is discussing. (Please, read it and make up your own mind as to my being an antisemitic piece of shit who eats kittens and babies.)

Dear OrwellwasRight:

I have no problem with my OP to which you've provided a link. My problem is with the far too many accusations and displays of hatred it produced. I find it intriguing that you decided to cause the shit from that forum to overflow into this relatively sane forum. Your doing so serves to make my point regarding the fanaticism that dwells over there.

Regards,

Cyrano

OrwellwasRight

(5,209 posts)
47. Your blaming of others continues.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

Some might call your original post "hateful" rather than blame the forum. But please, continue to blame me and others and take no opportunity to re-examine your own actions or think about the role you may have played in eliciting such responses.

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
50. Okay. I'll eat another kitten while I'm "re-examining"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

bluedigger

(17,137 posts)
41. So you have no defense for these accusations?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

I'd like to think the best of you, and I do think kittens are overrated, so...

 

mac2766

(658 posts)
42. You seem to be...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

"An antisemitic, communist piece of shit, or a wingnut infiltrator who hates humans and eats kittens."

Just kidding. .. that was a direct quote from the OP... don't kill me for quoting the OP. I realize some folks have thin skin, and/or no sense of humor.

The insanity is getting to me.

Democratic Underground.. a place for liberals to meet and share ideas and concerns.....

NOT

Seems to me to be a place for people to argue with each other.

I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter and will vote for him in the primaries, and definitely in the general election... BUT!!!!! If Hillary wins the nomination, I will gladly vote for a person who absolutely... ABSOLUTELY!!!! deserves our respect. She doesn't represent me EXACTLY as much as Bernie does, but she will be my candidate come the general election if she does, indeed, win the nomination. I just don't think she will.

Go Bernie. (No disrespect meant for Hillary Clinton.)

Iggo

(48,129 posts)
43. Meta!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016

Stinky The Clown

(68,341 posts)
46. Meanwhile, just try to discuss primary-related topics out in GD.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

I tried to discuss the MEDIA as it related to the primaries. Carefully crafted the post so as not to favor one candidate or another and BAM. A host locked it told me to take it to GDP.

FUCK GDP. Its a sewer. A cesspool. So not only is it a place you don't want to go, it limits discussion elsewhere. That's pretty fucked up.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
55. The hosts locked a post
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

with a clip of a low budget movie with Sanders from the 1990s that had not one thing to do with politics

Nuts

Stinky The Clown

(68,341 posts)
59. Overzealousness without oversight.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

Nobody to appeal to. Questions sit unanswered in ATA. No judges. Just Lock! Bam! Thank You Man!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
61. yup
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

Eko

(8,273 posts)
48. I cant help it though.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016

It's like watching the Hindenburg burn. Insane but beautiful in its insanity.

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
60. You bet. See posts #24 and #47
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

These are people who are transferring my one-time-post from "The Hate Forum" to here.

I guess they find fun in spreading the fire.

"Oh, the humanity."

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
57. sorry but, "we can't elect Bernie because he is a jew and republicans will mock him" is
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

a pretty fucked up thing to post. I can't believe so many clueless DUers just took your word for it and liked this post!

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
62. Nice try, but those aren't my words
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

Here's the link, DUers. Read my post and all the replies you can stomach.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511166705

And then you can tell me about "a pretty fucked up thing to post."

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
64. The replies were ok. Your OP was not.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
111. actually the replies were not that bad
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

before you posted this thread.

Some of the replies after this thread have been worse.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
112. the most convenient way in the universe to cower behind implication.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

"those aren't my words..." is the most convenient way in the universe to cower behind implication.

flamingdem

(39,800 posts)
58. Enjoy it while it lasts, twill be over soon enough nt
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
63. You bet.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016

Shakespeare's Julius Caesar said: "Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, it seems to me most strange, that death, being a necessary end, will come when it will come."

So I guess we all have to enjoy it while it lasts. "...twill be over soon enough nt"

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
68. Wow, imagine ANYONE being offended by posting our candidate is a "Commie Jew"!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:43 AM
Feb 2016

I am shocked at how poisonous that place is!

Orrex

(63,781 posts)
81. Please provide a link to that post
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:50 AM
Feb 2016

I will be happy to attack the ignorant asshole who made such a fucked up and hateful comment.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
82. Sure.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:52 AM
Feb 2016

It was posted, by the OP of this thread, with the now common "What will we do when the Republicans call him XXXX" refrain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1166705

Orrex

(63,781 posts)
83. That's not the same thing at all
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:30 AM
Feb 2016

I posted a similar question in April 2015, in fact, and I most certainly was not calling Sanders "a commie Jew." Neither is Cyrano.

Why is the question off limits? Republicans will absolutely attack him in exactly that way, either directly or via dog whistles, and it's naive to imagine that they won't. Likewise, it's foolish to pretend that a dignified silence will be a sufficient response those idiotic accusations.

Sanders' supporters post hateful, vitriolic attacks on Clinton day in and day out, eagerly doing the GOPs dirty work for them, but that's ok for some reason--even on DU's front page. But when someone questions Sanders' readiness to withstand the forthcoming GOP attack, it's declared unacceptable.

And before anyone objects that the attacks on Sanders are baseless or irrelevantly personal, we should recall that Sanders' supporters have already cited Whitewater, Vince Foster & Monica Lewinsky as problems that Clinton must address.

In short, asking about a near-certain GOP tactic is absolutely not the same as calling Sanders "a commie Jew."

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
85. Gimme a break. nt
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:01 AM
Feb 2016

Orrex

(63,781 posts)
87. cogent
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
92. Thank you, Orrex
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:25 AM
Feb 2016

Thanks for taking the time to read my post in that forum, and thanks for recognizing it for what it was: It's an attack the Republicans will most certainly use against Bernie if he is our nominee.

Many of the responses over there were just unanswerable. When someone says "You eat dog shit," it's impossible to prove that you don't. ("Proving a negative, etc.&quot

Some of them have not let up and have followed me over here to make their grievances known to all. And to make sure that everyone knows that "Cyrano eats Jewish babies."

I will never again post on that forum. Too many DUers who post there seem to have lost any and all sense of reality.

And once again, thank you for understanding what I was actually saying.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
69. You just haven't gotten the hang of it yet...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:07 AM
Feb 2016

Put the most snarky and prolific posters from the other side on "ignore" and let those with more fortitude respond to them. Then pick and choose from the remaining replies to your OP, based on whether it's civil enough and important enough (to you) to respond to.

Piece of cake!

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
71. "So when Republicans call Bernie a "Communist Jew,"
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:51 AM
Feb 2016

what do we do?

If Bernie is our candidate, you just know that "Communist Jew" will be a major weapon in their arsenal of sleaze and hatred.

They'll be direct about the Communist part and label him as a "Marxist," "Stalinist," "Totalitarian," "Anti-American," "Weirdo," etc.

They'll have to be more subtle with the "Jew" part and use stuff like "New York values," "He's from Brooklyn," plus a whole new mountain of antisemitic slurs that we can't even begin to imagine. They are masters at labeling someone "The Other."


So your first post in GDP was about Sanders being labeled a communist Jew by the other party and how we deal with it? And then you had some backlash.

Surprise, surprise!

You could have had your first post in GDP about the thousands, tens of thousands of children that have been killed by cluster bombs or during the invasion of Iraq, but instead you went right for the Communist Jew and had some push back and then run to this forum to complain.

Doubt you even understand why your post was offensive.






kiva

(4,373 posts)
72. I don't know,
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:01 AM
Feb 2016

I think it's more civil than it was in 2008...I wasn't here in 2004, but hear that was also ugly.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
75. I think most people are capable of being
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:34 AM
Feb 2016

reasonable and civil.

You don't click on GD-P and become a stark raving lunatic unless you were one before you clicked on it.

We *DO* need to be more kind to each other.

That is something that I think we need to remind each other of - we aren't enemies just because we have a difference of opinion on candidates. I trust that most DUers are decent people that have strong opinions, and would give you the shirt off of their back if necessary.

This is a fine community of people.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
76. Well .... You are rather dramatic ...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:48 AM
Feb 2016

I hope a fainting couch is nearby ....

Tell you what ... when this all blows over, I'll unblock ...

betsuni

(27,152 posts)
78. It was this: "Hillary is the safer bet" in your post that got you in trouble.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:13 AM
Feb 2016

This makes you a "Hillarian," the enemy. You are not who you say you are, your words twisted into diabolical hidden meanings. No matter how many times you insist you support Bernie and just want to discuss the campaigns, it is in vain. You are a monster, they the victims of your vicious attacks, you monster. At this point it can't even be taken personally, it's just what happens every day on the Internet. (It's not both sides -- most Democrats who do not care to be insulted prefer to tease, mock, post links refuting falsehoods, or ignore -- that's not offense, it's defense.)

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
95. You're probably right, betsuni
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:32 AM
Feb 2016

My "Hillary is the safer bet" probably triggered the "feeding frenzy."

I should have known better than to have posted there in the first place. But, who knew?

Well, now I know. It's a really ugly forum that needs to be avoided.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
103. The logic you use tells me that if a LGBT person was candidate you'd say 'the Straight is the safer
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016

bet'. Which means that you would use the identity of the LGBT candidate against them by claiming it is 'what the bad guys will say, so I'm saying it first'. A person like me would never get the support of a Party driven by reactive fear of what Republicans might say about their candidates. So you particular brand of panic is very dubious and a huge red flag. Not red like those commies of yours, red like a warning of danger ahead.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
84. Agreed
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:38 AM
Feb 2016

Fucking place saddens me.

I like both our candidates (and I liked M'OM). It's the fanbois and fangirls who stink out loud.

Javaman

(62,956 posts)
90. it's a wretched hive of scum and villainy. nt
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

Phentex

(16,440 posts)
93. I like it because...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

it keeps some of the crap out of GD.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,455 posts)
96. I hate that place with burning passion. Hate it.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016

9 times out of 10 if I'm called to jury duty on an alert, it's from GD: P, and it's always some supporter of one candidate overreacting to criticism from some supporter of the other candidate.

I'm this close to the whole Hide Forum thing on it.

Even worse is when someone tries to bring their little shit fight on here.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
98. It's OPs in GDP like your own that make it so vitriolic, you indulge in vile rhetoric by claiming it
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

is your 'concern' that Republicans will say those things. Gee, Republicans call Obama a Marxist Kenyan Muslim. So the fuck what? Barack and Jimmy Carter are both very Christian men and both were attacked by the Republicans.

Can you explain to me what it is so different in your eyes with Bernie? What if they call Hillary the murderer of Vince Foster and a militant extremist? Oh, that's right they already did that. What if they call Bill a rapist and Hillary his co dependent accomplice? They already did that.

So what is the basis for your claim that only Bernie can be attacked by them and only because he's Jewish? Born Again Jimmy got no mercy....

Cyrano

(15,251 posts)
99. You know what. I'm really sick of this shit.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

Fling all the crap you want to. I'm done defending myself against baseless allegations that come from people who have lost any and all sense of objective reality.

Adieu.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
102. Characterizing me does not bother me, it's what you do to avoid addressing the points I made or
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

answering the questions I asked. They bashed Obama as a Marxist Muslim from Kenya. But you say it is different with Bernie? They called Hillary a radical feminist friend to militant homosexuals before Bill got elected. They smear, that's who they are. It does not have to be who we are, nor who you are.

And what Republicans might say does not rule my world. Why does your fear of them rule yours?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
100. I'm getting tired of jury duty, all juries that vote unanimously Leave it,
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

because the little children had an argument.
The average age may not be eligible to vote over there!

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
101. Let's dismiss once and for all the Myth that you should not post in GD:P.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

You know exactly what you are doing by posting there.

redstatebluegirl

(12,436 posts)
104. I guess I have a short memory but
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

was it this bad when Clinton and Obama were running in the primary? Both sides have some really nasty people out there. All of this hate and nastiness is hard on the soul. We are Democrats, we hate Republicans not each other.

Ryano42

(1,577 posts)
105. With GD:P in the Trash Can DU is again a wonderful place...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

Positive comments about the candidates in their forums, an occasional cogent discussion about the issues...

Minimal Monkey Rodeos...it great!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
106. I recently trashed the forum, after posting there for a long time.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

It has come to be too ugly.
IMHO, people are there to war against those they disagree with them rather than find information.

CTyankee

(64,630 posts)
116. I finally came to the conclusion that my sanity would be preserved if I trashed a couple
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:14 PM
Feb 2016

groups (Men and pro-gun). That took care of LOTS of it. So I did a real paddywhack for my mental health. I also started with Ignore (which I hadn't done before) and it was glorious. I was not confronted by assholes every day. Life is more pleasant. I think of it as my home and how I wouldn't accept behavior of some folks here if they were my guests at my home.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
109. I trashed it almost immediately.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

"...wretched hive of scum and villainy..."

trof

(54,270 posts)
113. Ain't it funny. I posted a very similar thread a couple of weeks ago. Locked.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

Disrespecting DU or some such.
I guess it depends on who's 'hosting' at a particular time.

librechik

(30,778 posts)
114. you don't have to tell me
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

I can smell Darth Vader's foul stench from seven parsecs away.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
115. I venture over there from time to time just to see
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

who I should add to my ignore list...

NYC Liberal

(20,326 posts)
118. Locking.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:50 AM
Feb 2016

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