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If you haven't posted there yet, don't.
I did my first post today. And right now, I'm not sure whether I'm an antisemitic, communist piece of shit, or a wingnut infiltrator who hates humans and eats kittens.
I can't wait until this election is over. The DU Primaries Forum seems to be a tremendously hate-filled place where otherwise sane Democrats have lost their minds. Any remark or response you post is immediately twisted and used to "prove" that you are either for or against Bernie/Hillary/Whoever. Or perhaps I should say Hillary/Bernie/Whoever. After all, putting someone's name first matters.
My congratulations and best wishes to Skinner et.al. for recognizing that a Primaries Forum was needed. It has isolated a "poisonous strain" from the rest of DU. We all have pockets of hatred within ourselves. In this case, Isolation was a wise, civilized, Democratic idea.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)although I don't think I have ever posted there. Most of the juries I am on are for GD: Primaries
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)I think I could use a valium, a shot of Tequila, a warm cup of tea, and a hug.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,011 posts)Cyrano
(15,251 posts)But, ohhh, thank you so much for the hug.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)(See sig line) and life has been much better.
kath
(10,565 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't understand your objection. That's EXACTLY what's coming for Bernie and we need to be prepared for it if he's going to be the nominee. That said, I hardly ever go to GD-P. It's a sewer.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and the 'He's a rapist and his wife orders murders' administration and the 'weak pacifist' administration.
Note that Republicans attacked the faith of Obama, who sings Amazing Grace while giving very Christian eulogies and that they trashed the Christianity of Jimmy Carter, Born Again Jimmy they went after with a gusto bordering on insanity.
So where is the candidate they won't attack with idiotic tropes?
And did it really matter that they called Obama a Kenyan Muslim Marxist? He got elected twice.
So if they attack actual Christians by saying they are Muslims is there any reason to try to pick a candidate they won't denigrate using religion? Or accusations of murder? They say anything. About anyone.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)a marxist WAS laughable. That's going to be a bit harder sell when we're dealing with a self described socialist (and lets not forget how many Americans actually DO believe he's from someplace else). I know everyone here thinks Americans will sit quietly and listen to a lesson about what a Democratic Socialist actually is but I think they're insane. Americans aren't that smart.
monmouth4
(10,023 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)After a Dem is elected, how long will the honeymoon be before the Hillary/Bernie supporters start shitting on the President? I set the OVER/UNDER at 100 days and took the UNDER.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)about a third of the "latest" page is blank, but my life is simpler.
I do peek in once and a while, but then have to bathe.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and it looks much better.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Makes things much nicer here.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I've still not decided because I like both candidates.
But the supporters on both sides have acted horribly.
One side is worse than the other in my opinion, but that won't sway me either way.
Chemisse
(30,965 posts)But not like that!
flygal
(3,231 posts)This is my 4th election on DU and this one is the worst by far.
lamp_shade
(15,052 posts)leftstreet
(36,208 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)it'll be changed to General Election. It will stay separate until inauguration day. At least that's what they did for 2008.
demmiblue
(37,696 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,845 posts)Granted the disagreement is pretty vigorous but I've yet to be told i'm the second coming of Satan. Of course i may have just jinxed myself by posting this.....
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)you shouldn't be superstitious.
After all, the Salem Witch Trials were held to root out only the guilty.
It would seem that superstition is a form of guilt and it's quite possible that you are not a witch. At least you have not yet been proven to be one.
(It's always better to confess in advance. Especially if you've been on the DU Primary Forum site.)
KentuckyWoman
(6,845 posts)I swear on a cauldron full of lizard ears that I have not been over in GD with a double wide paint brush rabble rousing.
OK - rabble rousing yes - but I left the broad brush in my other pants while I was there. AND I made sure to delouse before I came back over to the bright side.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Kingofalldems
(39,102 posts)CurtEastPoint
(19,073 posts)malaise
(276,025 posts)because when I posted a hilarious jury result I was told it was in the wrong forum. So since I don't post there, don't select me for jury duty there.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I used to get tons of jury requests for the gungeon and Israel/Palenstine. But no more! It's all Hillary hate or Bernie hate all day and all night.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)roamer65
(36,952 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)And we all know that "Brooklyn" is a synonym for where Jews live.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Some want to drastically reform the Dem party, some are fine with the status quo.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)There's a post in GDP that perfectly illustrates what you were doing. It goes like this:
Some people are saying your momma's a whore. I DON'T, but some people are saying it.
Paladin
(28,646 posts)Cyrano
(15,251 posts)I had no civil reply, but you provided one.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Just because Republicans will call Bernie a communist Jew does not mean he should not get the nomination. Hillary will get called plenty of horrible names by the Republicans if she is the nominee. Any Democratic nominee will get called horrible names. After all they called Obama a socialist Muslim. If we base our vote on what the Republicans will call the nominee we might as well not vote at all.
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)but I have two things to say:
1. You're in the wrong forum.
2. Oy.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Cyrano
(15,251 posts)And I don't have a Christ complex
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And was pointed out to be just stirring it up?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)you meant this post http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1166705
and NOT the OP you are replying to.
Winning the election is kind of important though. It's rather naive to think the S-word and by implication the C-word are not going to be played.
That's enough to stop me from supporting Bernie. I do NOT think my party can afford to tie itself to the S-word.
It does though also remind me of what the Hillary camp did in 2008. Circulated a bunch of rightwing attacks at Obama - as a reason to support Clinton. Truly, I was afraid that the racism of this country would hurt us down-ticket in 2008. And I was wrong about that. In reality, it was my guy Edwards who would have imploded in the general, having been exposed as a schmuck.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Go Bernie!
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)However, there are good people on each side.....try to focus on them.
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)Bernie and Hillary/or/ Hillary and Bernie don't hate each other.
They are staying civil, I believe they respect each other, and whichever one gets the nomination will be supported by the other.
I don't believe the same is true about the insanity that has infected far too many who are posting on the DU Primary Forum. It is not a healthy place.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That technique has a hell of a sordid history in GD-P, you may have engaged in that in all innocence but at this point no one is going to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's happened too many times.
That was like starting a circumcision thread in GD and then acting innocent when it turns into a flame war.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Is that whoever gets elected will not change things to the land of hope and unicorns. But shh...don't tell them...
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)related to the primaries and it was locked.
Yup... it's a cesspool. I stay away. It's amazing to me how nasty people are in that forum.
I stay away. I cannot stomach it.
BKH70041
(961 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:34 PM - Edit history (2)
As a reader more than a writer, I'd say this forum is just as bad.
And your definition of "sane Democrats (who) have lost their minds" is definitely much more narrow than mine.
But you go around calling Sanders a commie Jew, then you'll get what's coming to you.
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)I don't ever recall the ongoing venom that is taking place in that forum.
There has, of course, been some ugliness in DU General Discussion. But never to the degree that can be witnessed today in the DU Primary Forum.
Your observation that this forum is "just as bad" seems misguided to me. Given the thousands of threads here, there are of course some in which people throw garbage at each other. However, the same can't be said of the Primary Forum in which most threads turn into shit fights in the monkey house.
KentuckyWoman
(6,845 posts)My late sister, DUer SmileyRose, had just started the first round of chemo when things were really heating up in late 2007. She asked me log in under her name and just sit and read her some of the posts over the phone when she was too tired to read.
I remember some very ugly exchanges but back then it was mods on an old version of DU. I remember A LOT of pizza
Skittles
(157,262 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,845 posts)I do. Feel VERY fortunate she was in my life. Besides. She was funny as hell.
Skittles
(157,262 posts)I always wanted a sister (I got five brothers)
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I think the Bernie/Hillary divide at the moment is by far the most important thing that has happened in politics since at least Reagan and maybe back to Nixon.
That is what is inspiring the passion you see.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I don't know if I've posted there or not. I usually just bring up latest threads and post in threads that interest me. I really haven't paid attention where the threads are located but I guess I need to start watching because I somehow posted in a Hillary group thread and got an email telling me I was banned from the group? (didn't know there was one). Someone had posted a list of endorsements she had gotten from other politicians so I said: But she's not the "establishment" candidate, right? lol I thought it was funny but evidently they didn't.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)Posters are "classified" and isolated into exclusive Bernie and Hillary groups here on the basis of some political obsessive's opinion and are thereafter not permitted to post across groups. Thus there is no debate, no rebuttal. So I spend most of my time in grown-up places such as huff post and facebook where such division nonsense is not allowed to occur.
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)and there are no "sides" here. You can say virtually anything you want to say and there are those who agree or disagree.
What I've posted here refers to the DU Primary Forum where people spend their days throwing dung at each other.
Please don't judge all of Democratic Underground by that forum, or by forums that are dedicated only to Hillary, or only to Bernie.
There ain't no "classifications" here in General Discussion. Stick around for a while and stay out of the "exclusive" clubs.
OrwellwasRight
(5,209 posts)Don't place the blame solely on others.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511166705
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)that I put onto the "hate forum" earlier today. The one that my OP here is discussing. (Please, read it and make up your own mind as to my being an antisemitic piece of shit who eats kittens and babies.)
Dear OrwellwasRight:
I have no problem with my OP to which you've provided a link. My problem is with the far too many accusations and displays of hatred it produced. I find it intriguing that you decided to cause the shit from that forum to overflow into this relatively sane forum. Your doing so serves to make my point regarding the fanaticism that dwells over there.
Regards,
Cyrano
OrwellwasRight
(5,209 posts)Some might call your original post "hateful" rather than blame the forum. But please, continue to blame me and others and take no opportunity to re-examine your own actions or think about the role you may have played in eliciting such responses.
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)bluedigger
(17,137 posts)I'd like to think the best of you, and I do think kittens are overrated, so...
mac2766
(658 posts)"An antisemitic, communist piece of shit, or a wingnut infiltrator who hates humans and eats kittens."
Just kidding. .. that was a direct quote from the OP... don't kill me for quoting the OP. I realize some folks have thin skin, and/or no sense of humor.
The insanity is getting to me.
Democratic Underground.. a place for liberals to meet and share ideas and concerns.....
NOT
Seems to me to be a place for people to argue with each other.
I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter and will vote for him in the primaries, and definitely in the general election... BUT!!!!! If Hillary wins the nomination, I will gladly vote for a person who absolutely... ABSOLUTELY!!!! deserves our respect. She doesn't represent me EXACTLY as much as Bernie does, but she will be my candidate come the general election if she does, indeed, win the nomination. I just don't think she will.
Go Bernie. (No disrespect meant for Hillary Clinton.)
Stinky The Clown
(68,341 posts)I tried to discuss the MEDIA as it related to the primaries. Carefully crafted the post so as not to favor one candidate or another and BAM. A host locked it told me to take it to GDP.
FUCK GDP. Its a sewer. A cesspool. So not only is it a place you don't want to go, it limits discussion elsewhere. That's pretty fucked up.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)with a clip of a low budget movie with Sanders from the 1990s that had not one thing to do with politics
Nuts
Stinky The Clown
(68,341 posts)Nobody to appeal to. Questions sit unanswered in ATA. No judges. Just Lock! Bam! Thank You Man!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Eko
(8,273 posts)It's like watching the Hindenburg burn. Insane but beautiful in its insanity.
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)These are people who are transferring my one-time-post from "The Hate Forum" to here.
I guess they find fun in spreading the fire.
"Oh, the humanity."
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)a pretty fucked up thing to post. I can't believe so many clueless DUers just took your word for it and liked this post!
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)Here's the link, DUers. Read my post and all the replies you can stomach.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511166705
And then you can tell me about "a pretty fucked up thing to post."
840high
(17,196 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)before you posted this thread.
Some of the replies after this thread have been worse.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"those aren't my words..." is the most convenient way in the universe to cower behind implication.
flamingdem
(39,800 posts)Cyrano
(15,251 posts)Shakespeare's Julius Caesar said: "Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, it seems to me most strange, that death, being a necessary end, will come when it will come."
So I guess we all have to enjoy it while it lasts. "...twill be over soon enough nt"
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I am shocked at how poisonous that place is!
Orrex
(63,781 posts)I will be happy to attack the ignorant asshole who made such a fucked up and hateful comment.
It was posted, by the OP of this thread, with the now common "What will we do when the Republicans call him XXXX" refrain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1166705
Orrex
(63,781 posts)I posted a similar question in April 2015, in fact, and I most certainly was not calling Sanders "a commie Jew." Neither is Cyrano.
Why is the question off limits? Republicans will absolutely attack him in exactly that way, either directly or via dog whistles, and it's naive to imagine that they won't. Likewise, it's foolish to pretend that a dignified silence will be a sufficient response those idiotic accusations.
Sanders' supporters post hateful, vitriolic attacks on Clinton day in and day out, eagerly doing the GOPs dirty work for them, but that's ok for some reason--even on DU's front page. But when someone questions Sanders' readiness to withstand the forthcoming GOP attack, it's declared unacceptable.
And before anyone objects that the attacks on Sanders are baseless or irrelevantly personal, we should recall that Sanders' supporters have already cited Whitewater, Vince Foster & Monica Lewinsky as problems that Clinton must address.
In short, asking about a near-certain GOP tactic is absolutely not the same as calling Sanders "a commie Jew."
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Cyrano
(15,251 posts)Thanks for taking the time to read my post in that forum, and thanks for recognizing it for what it was: It's an attack the Republicans will most certainly use against Bernie if he is our nominee.
Many of the responses over there were just unanswerable. When someone says "You eat dog shit," it's impossible to prove that you don't. ("Proving a negative, etc."
Some of them have not let up and have followed me over here to make their grievances known to all. And to make sure that everyone knows that "Cyrano eats Jewish babies."
I will never again post on that forum. Too many DUers who post there seem to have lost any and all sense of reality.
And once again, thank you for understanding what I was actually saying.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Put the most snarky and prolific posters from the other side on "ignore" and let those with more fortitude respond to them. Then pick and choose from the remaining replies to your OP, based on whether it's civil enough and important enough (to you) to respond to.
Piece of cake!
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)what do we do?
If Bernie is our candidate, you just know that "Communist Jew" will be a major weapon in their arsenal of sleaze and hatred.
They'll be direct about the Communist part and label him as a "Marxist," "Stalinist," "Totalitarian," "Anti-American," "Weirdo," etc.
They'll have to be more subtle with the "Jew" part and use stuff like "New York values," "He's from Brooklyn," plus a whole new mountain of antisemitic slurs that we can't even begin to imagine. They are masters at labeling someone "The Other."
So your first post in GDP was about Sanders being labeled a communist Jew by the other party and how we deal with it? And then you had some backlash.
Surprise, surprise!
You could have had your first post in GDP about the thousands, tens of thousands of children that have been killed by cluster bombs or during the invasion of Iraq, but instead you went right for the Communist Jew and had some push back and then run to this forum to complain.
Doubt you even understand why your post was offensive.
kiva
(4,373 posts)I think it's more civil than it was in 2008...I wasn't here in 2004, but hear that was also ugly.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)reasonable and civil.
You don't click on GD-P and become a stark raving lunatic unless you were one before you clicked on it.
We *DO* need to be more kind to each other.
That is something that I think we need to remind each other of - we aren't enemies just because we have a difference of opinion on candidates. I trust that most DUers are decent people that have strong opinions, and would give you the shirt off of their back if necessary.
This is a fine community of people.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I hope a fainting couch is nearby ....
Tell you what ... when this all blows over, I'll unblock ...
betsuni
(27,152 posts)This makes you a "Hillarian," the enemy. You are not who you say you are, your words twisted into diabolical hidden meanings. No matter how many times you insist you support Bernie and just want to discuss the campaigns, it is in vain. You are a monster, they the victims of your vicious attacks, you monster. At this point it can't even be taken personally, it's just what happens every day on the Internet. (It's not both sides -- most Democrats who do not care to be insulted prefer to tease, mock, post links refuting falsehoods, or ignore -- that's not offense, it's defense.)
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)My "Hillary is the safer bet" probably triggered the "feeding frenzy."
I should have known better than to have posted there in the first place. But, who knew?
Well, now I know. It's a really ugly forum that needs to be avoided.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)bet'. Which means that you would use the identity of the LGBT candidate against them by claiming it is 'what the bad guys will say, so I'm saying it first'. A person like me would never get the support of a Party driven by reactive fear of what Republicans might say about their candidates. So you particular brand of panic is very dubious and a huge red flag. Not red like those commies of yours, red like a warning of danger ahead.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Fucking place saddens me.
I like both our candidates (and I liked M'OM). It's the fanbois and fangirls who stink out loud.
Javaman
(62,956 posts)Phentex
(16,440 posts)it keeps some of the crap out of GD.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,455 posts)9 times out of 10 if I'm called to jury duty on an alert, it's from GD: P, and it's always some supporter of one candidate overreacting to criticism from some supporter of the other candidate.
I'm this close to the whole Hide Forum thing on it.
Even worse is when someone tries to bring their little shit fight on here.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)is your 'concern' that Republicans will say those things. Gee, Republicans call Obama a Marxist Kenyan Muslim. So the fuck what? Barack and Jimmy Carter are both very Christian men and both were attacked by the Republicans.
Can you explain to me what it is so different in your eyes with Bernie? What if they call Hillary the murderer of Vince Foster and a militant extremist? Oh, that's right they already did that. What if they call Bill a rapist and Hillary his co dependent accomplice? They already did that.
So what is the basis for your claim that only Bernie can be attacked by them and only because he's Jewish? Born Again Jimmy got no mercy....
Cyrano
(15,251 posts)Fling all the crap you want to. I'm done defending myself against baseless allegations that come from people who have lost any and all sense of objective reality.
Adieu.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)answering the questions I asked. They bashed Obama as a Marxist Muslim from Kenya. But you say it is different with Bernie? They called Hillary a radical feminist friend to militant homosexuals before Bill got elected. They smear, that's who they are. It does not have to be who we are, nor who you are.
And what Republicans might say does not rule my world. Why does your fear of them rule yours?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)because the little children had an argument.
The average age may not be eligible to vote over there!
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)You know exactly what you are doing by posting there.
redstatebluegirl
(12,436 posts)was it this bad when Clinton and Obama were running in the primary? Both sides have some really nasty people out there. All of this hate and nastiness is hard on the soul. We are Democrats, we hate Republicans not each other.
Ryano42
(1,577 posts)Positive comments about the candidates in their forums, an occasional cogent discussion about the issues...
Minimal Monkey Rodeos...it great!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)It has come to be too ugly.
IMHO, people are there to war against those they disagree with them rather than find information.
CTyankee
(64,630 posts)groups (Men and pro-gun). That took care of LOTS of it. So I did a real paddywhack for my mental health. I also started with Ignore (which I hadn't done before) and it was glorious. I was not confronted by assholes every day. Life is more pleasant. I think of it as my home and how I wouldn't accept behavior of some folks here if they were my guests at my home.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)"...wretched hive of scum and villainy..."
trof
(54,270 posts)Disrespecting DU or some such.
I guess it depends on who's 'hosting' at a particular time.
librechik
(30,778 posts)I can smell Darth Vader's foul stench from seven parsecs away.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)who I should add to my ignore list...
NYC Liberal
(20,326 posts)Per the Statement of Purpose for this forum: