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Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:45 PM

 

Quit Complaining About Mayor Bloomberg’s Soda Ban, Fatsos

The second New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg's plan to ban large sodas was announced, you knew that people would use it to declare that America has become a Commu-fascist labor prison. The Atlantic called it classist. Comedy Central's political blog (they have one!) called it ridiculous. Forbes called Bloomberg a Republican Socialist. And Bernie Goldberg basically declared that the ban was a gateway law that will one day lead to the government stealing your kids in the middle of the night and harvest their organs to give to illegal immigrants.

To which I'd just like to counter: People, please, shut the fuck up.

If you think that a ban on large sodas is somehow an affront to America freedom, I have news for you: You don't live in a free country. You never have and you never will. That's an illusion. You are not free to murder people in America. You are not free to stand in the middle of an intersection and block traffic like an asshole. You do not have the absolute freedom to do anything you want in America, and that's a good thing, because living somewhere with absolute freedom means you live in fucking Deadwood. There are a million different laws and rules that come with being an American, and we, as a collective, put all those annoying rules in there of our own accord. Democracy doesn't mean "Hey you, go do whatever the fuck you want." It means that you get to choose the people that represent you in government, and hope that they create and enforce the laws that help us function as a civilized society.

And that's exactly what happened here. New York city residents were already fully aware that Bloomberg was prone to implementing drastic public health measures, like the 2003 ban on smoking in bars. And yet, they re-elected him. In other words, New Yorkers were FREE to vote for the man who installed laws that they apparently considered both sane and reasonable. That's how democracy works. Democracy is not OH MY GOD THESE LAWS WILL MAKE US PUSSIES! Democracy is people working together to sort out just what the rules of society should be. Obviously, this process is labored and often hilariously corrupt, but that's what living in a "free country" is supposed to mean. It doesn't mean that you get to grab a gun and storm City Hall just because you think a soda ban is some kind of sign of the End Times. It's fucking soda. Don't be such a pussy that you can't live without a 42 oz. cup of the shit. If you're the type to flip out just because you can't have that, then who's the real pussy?

more:
http://gawker.com/5914630/quit-complaining-about-mayor-bloombergs-soda-ban-fatsos?tag=rants


This rant works for cigarettes, and guns, and gas-guzzling cars, and any other destructive objects or anti-social behavior you can name.

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Reply Quit Complaining About Mayor Bloomberg’s Soda Ban, Fatsos (Original post)
baldguy Jun 2012 OP
pnwmom Jun 2012 #1
bhikkhu Jun 2012 #13
randome Jun 2012 #19
Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #46
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Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #57
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mathematic Jun 2012 #88
woolldog Jun 2012 #2
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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:52 PM

1. My husband and I save money by sharing a large drink at the movies.

So I think it's a dumb idea.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:51 PM

13. I bring my own bottled water

so I think its an ok idea :p

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:16 PM

19. It's a dumb idea because it won't effect YOU?

 



It will effect SOME people. I think that's the point.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:54 AM

46. The ban doesn't apply to non-sugar or diet drinks. So it shouldn't affect your sharing.

You drink non-sugar sodas, right?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:54 AM

55. Those are bad too

...in that the body apparently has the same insulin response to real and fake sugars, with the result that your blood sugar level and metabolism is depressed after drinking diet soda.

http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/12/12/8-dangers-of-diet-soda/

though I would admit that the whole subject is controversial and argument-ridden.

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:06 AM

57. Medical sources say that's not true. No insulin response like one for sugar. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #57)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:12 AM

61. Other studies show it is true, thus the controversy. n/t

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:19 AM

68. Mayo Clinic says they don't affect blood sugar, tho other things in product may.

You can use most artificial sweeteners if you have diabetes, including:
Saccharin (Sweet'N Low)
Aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal)
Acesulfame potassium (Sunett)
Sucralose (Splenda)

Artificial sweeteners, also called sugar substitutes, offer the sweetness of sugar without the calories. Artificial sweeteners are many times sweeter than sugar, so it takes a smaller amount to sweeten foods. This is why foods made with artificial sweeteners may have fewer calories than those made with sugar.

Artificial sweeteners don't affect your blood sugar level. In fact, most artificial sweeteners are considered "free foods" because they don't count as a carbohydrate, a fat or any other diabetes exchange. Remember, however, other ingredients in foods containing artificial sweeteners can still affect your blood sugar level.

Also, be cautious with sugar alcohols — including mannitol, sorbitol and xylitol. Sugar alcohols can increase your blood sugar level. And for some people, sugar alcohols cause diarrhea.


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/AN00348

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #68)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:26 PM

75. some contrary sources:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0898656898000175 Effects of Artificial Sweeteners on Insulin Release and Cationic Fluxes in Rat Pancreatic Islets

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/8/E524.abstract Sweet taste receptor signaling in beta cells mediates fructose-induced potentiation of glucose-stimulated insulin secretion

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/12/2184.abstract - Ingestion of Diet Soda Before a Glucose Load Augments Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 Secretion

...and so forth. As said, there is argument and evidence on both sides. I think, as in many things, the precise cause and effect is the tricky thing, as behavior and environment tends to be complex and inter-related.

In my own case, there is some family tendency toward hypoglycemia and I have an older brother who is seldom without a Big Gulp, who is overweight and in poor health. I try to keep fit and healthy, and I have found that the more fit I am and the more exercise I get (as a cyclist, primarily, though my employment involves physical labor as well) the more I enjoy simpler unprocessed fruit and vegetable drinks and basic foods. I don't like the taste of soda, so I don't drink it. I think of it as the difference between eating for entertainment or habit, or eating out of bodily need.

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #75)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:01 PM

88. You misunderstand these studies.

Study 2 has nothing to do with artificial sweeteners. It's about fructose's role on insulin response.

Study 3 was conducted with an accompanying 75g dose of glucose (so definitely not the same thing as drinking a diet soda) and indicate the complete opposite of your claim. The artificial sweeteners did not result in a statistically significant difference in insulin response.

I don't have enough domain knowledge of artificial sweeteners or studies involving isolated rat cells to fully assess Study 1, but it seems to indicate that some artificial sweeteners have an effect on insulin and others do not. Like Study 3, this one was done in the presence of glucose (though I'm not sure what the indicated concentration corresponds to as a food intake in humans). I'll also note that this study predates Study 3 by many years.

In light of Study 2, you might want to alter your consumption of fruit drinks (which are basically fructose and water) if you're trying to manage your insulin levels.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:56 PM

2. Well, I'm thin

and fit and it pisses me off that I'm going to be penalized and cant enjoy my large soda occasionally, because fat people cant control themselves.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:00 PM

3. Well I'm fat

 

and skinny people are fucking Douchebags...

OK--- I'm not fat---I just wanted to stick up for Fat people.

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Response to trumad (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:49 PM

24. nice one!

thanks



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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:44 PM

28. I am not thin...

...but I don't drink soda except for on occasion as a treat. Otherwise I drink tea.
But it's not Mayor Bloomberg's job to tell anyone, fat or unfat, what they can and cannot drink or how much. Sure, if we had single payer, I'd say yes, but we don't have that. Most of us pay for our own insurance.
Duckie

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Response to YellowRubberDuckie (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:04 AM

42. Agree, Bloomberg has way overstepped his authority on this. nt

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:45 PM

39. What a smug and clueless statement.

Research scientists don't know why some people are thin and some are fat. Piss off.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:03 AM

41. working out 7 days a week,

as I do, may have something to do with it.

Face it, if Americans would get off the couch and go for a walk, we wouldn't be a nation of fatties.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:51 AM

45. Sadly, working out does nothing for one's intelligence and compassion.

Perhaps throwing stones does; you'd have to inform me on that one.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:49 AM

115. How nice for you.

Aren't you superior for your workout discipline.

Your posts are condescending and insulting.

Edited: spelling. Outrage make me spell bad.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 11:27 AM

121. woot, woot, rah rah for you

 

you are so cool and controlled, and healthy and everything in the healthy world is in your favor.

Now go screw yourself for being an ass and forgetting the diversity and the lives of others are not carbon copies of your immaculate perfection.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:33 PM

95. lol

It COULDN'T be cars, escalators, elevators, mass farming, cubicles, facebook and the X-Box...


Nah..

More research needed



Go check out an Amish community and see how many obese folks are out there picking corn LOL

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:05 AM

56. As a fat person...I am out of control! I need someone to slap that beverage

Out of my pudgy hands. Don't blame us fatties for the ban..we don't go to movie theaters because our fat asses can't fit in the seats. We stay home so we don't gross out skinny people with our morbid obesity while watching Netflix and guzzling gallons of soda.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:07 PM

72. I'm fat right now

And I never drink sugared soda.

One of my first things to do to lose weight was diet soda/tea.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:43 PM

89. Well, then just buy two 16 ounce bottles, or go to a place with refills (nt)

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:47 AM

114. That post had better be sarcasm...

Because if it isn't, the poster has some real ignorance issues. Not to mention sanctimony issues.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:00 PM

4. I don't think the author is going to persuade anybody whom he calls "fatsos"

Not very nice.

I think the ban is totally stupid--there is a difference between the 2003 ban on smoking in bars, where non-smokers might like to breathe too, and restrictions on the amount of soda a person is allowed to buy in a cup. The author seems to be saying that "'living in a free country' is supposed to mean" that our elected representatives can micromanage our lives if we are the ones who elected them. Of course, in the previous paragraph, he also says that we don't live in a free country and never have and never will, so I guess the entire article constitutes a pretty weak argument.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:06 PM

5. I am not fat and I do not like soda

(and do not live in NYC) .... I think the law is asinine!

I hardly think drinking soda (or being over-weight) constitutes anti-social behavior.

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:26 AM

70. I am not fat either and I do not like soda either

 

the law is asinine...cause soda causes people to become fat-duh....he'd better outlaw a shitload of other foods while he's at it

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Response to blueamy66 (Reply #70)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:12 PM

86. LOL

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Response to blueamy66 (Reply #70)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:16 AM

102. hoho, ding dongs, twinkies

pretty much anything you find in a 7 elven, and a lot of what's in the grocery store. i can think of two less isles off the top of my head.

Maybe they could just sell grass. (cow grass, not the smoke grass.)

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Response to Confusious (Reply #102)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:10 AM

111. to be honest

 

we have Ding Dongs in our house

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:08 PM

6. Fuck this guy.

 

Quite frankly I see it as authoritism dressed up as compassion. But my really cynical side sees it as price gouging people. The bigger the soda, the cheaper per ounce. Why not force people to buy four individual 16 oz. sodas at the higher price rather than allow them to pay less and split the big gulp? Wring every penny that you can.

This guy comes off as a smug, condescending asshole. He can go fuck himself.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:00 PM

29. I agree. He's a condescending ass

 

I haven't bought a 32 oz. soda in decades. I limit my consumption of sugary sodas and when I do have one it's never more than 12 ounces. But I think it's pretty silly that Mayor Moneybags is now saying that it's for the good of humanity that adults not be able to purchase sodas over 16 oz. I'm perfectly capable of deciding how much soda I want to drink at any given time without his annoying ass telling me what's good for me.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:13 PM

7. Any rant that compares ordering a Big Gulp to commiting murder can be dismissed out of hand.

 

If you think that a ban on large sodas is somehow an affront to America freedom, I have news for you: You don't live in a free country. You never have and you never will. That's an illusion. You are not free to murder people in America.



I will grant you that this rant, having utterly failed as a logical argument, does work equally (un)well for cigarettes, guns, and gas-guzzling cars! Bravo!

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:22 AM

49. I didn't see it as a comparison

just an example showing we don't have unlimited freedoms. He also said you can't legally stand in the middle of the street and block traffic.

FTR - I'm opposed to the ban but I understand what the author was trying to say there.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:34 AM

50. I think it was very much compared.

 

The logic (if you want to call it that) behind this rant was essentially this: since you're not allowed to commit murder, stop complaining about Big Gulps being illegal.



Note that he thinks it applies equally to guns, cigarettes, and cars that don't meet his fuel economy standards...if he doesn't like it, ban it!

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:44 AM

51. I saw it more as

Stop using the freedom argument (ie. We should be able to be free to order big gulps) since there are things that we're obviously not free to do.

I saw plenty of illogical things in the article, I was just commenting on the comparison thing.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:14 PM

8. First they came for the smoking in bars, and I said nothing.

Then they came for the trans fat in restaurants, and again I said nothing.

When they came for the large high fructose corn syrup containers, FUCK THAT SHIT YOU FUCKING NAZIS THIS IS AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:07 PM

16. You said it all. nt

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:18 PM

9. Bloomberg is a douche bag billionaire

He uses his money to get the job so he can make us live the way he thinks we should. He cannot be voted out fast enough.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:27 PM

10. damn... I do believe I am the only person ok with the proposed ban...

...only with excellent marketing could the vast majority of people fight for the right to buy (under the guise of personal freedom) an egregiously overpriced, non-nutritive, unhealthy product, created by corporate interests (that care nothing for people or the environment)...

we should be fighting to get the stuff off the market!

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:29 PM

11. What else would you like to make illegal? Cigarettes? Alcohol? Candy?

 

Just curious...

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:09 PM

17. Don't give anyone ideas. There are people out there who support just that.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:15 PM

32. Guns

 

Sorry, your heart rate should retun to normal in a few.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:20 AM

48. No need to worry on my part! While it's fun to argue with those who wish to ban guns,

 

the chances of meaningful gun control actually being enacted in the foreseeable future are somewhere far south of slim and none. I'm really not worried in the slightest...all the rancor in the Gungeon aside.

The pro-gun rights side has won, and will continue to do so.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:27 AM

62. corporate exploitation...

is what I want to make illegal...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:17 AM

66. That's a bit vague...what *products* do you wnat ban besides soda pop?

 

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #66)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:03 PM

85. I would like to see "banned"

any product created and marketed by corporate interests that are detrimental to the environment and human health...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #85)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:29 PM

97. You've already stated you want to make soda pop illegal.

 

Which other products, specifically, do you want to criminalize?

There's no need to tap dance.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:18 PM

20. Sorry, I think it is one of the stupidest proposals I've seen in a long time.

It makes absolutely no sense at all unless it is another way for money to be made. Unless you request "no ice" I doubt you ever get more than 16 ounces of soda even on the super duper size anyway. It's obviously not about the children because if parents are letting their 6 year olds buy the super size drinks I am guessing this is more of a problem with the parent and not that huge amounts of soda are available.

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Response to johnnie (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:35 AM

64. many problems...

this is what we are supporting everytime we buy any size soda...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #64)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:51 PM

81. Thanks for that perspective!

 

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:15 PM

38. You really should get a longer nose, so you can look even further down it at them.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:34 AM

63. them??

my complaint is corporate interests making excessive money off the backs of the general public...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #63)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:20 AM

69. I know, if only the general public could undestand the way you do.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:21 PM

93. No you aren't the only one :)

Most of the folks who are complaining don't come from or understand NY, nor do they comprehend that this law is just one piece of a larger plan that also provides money for free fitness sessions and support for financially-strapped people who want to buy nutritious local food at farmers' markets.

They haven't seen the impact of diabetes on the NY population, and the drain on the city's resources, not to mention the suffering that comes with the disease.

Expect these reflux threads for some time to come as the soda industry fights back. And, yes, I'm a person who enjoys a Pepsi and a slice. I'm no teetotaler.

I'm so proud of NYC. We are the place that suffered the worst attack on American soil, worked hard to build our economy and promote diversity, and now attracts young people from all over the world who come here on creative pilgrimages.

We're a city that is building bike lanes, installing bicycle rentals all over the place and turning a large part of our concrete space green again. Our energy company is working on serious plans to build our alternative energy sources. We would have been able to clear much of our smog, keep subway fares down and enhance our public transportation if the goobers who populate our state houses hadn't voted our transportation plan down. In the meantime, their local corruption strangles their regions, but I am digressing...

In summers, our parks, large and small, are awash with music, film and dance, much of it either free or available for a donation under $5.

I could go on and on. The bottom line is that NY is both a pragmatic and an innovative city. The folks who perpetually complain about one law think that the elephant's tail is the elephant.

So, no, you're not alone. You are just the lucky one who got a rant in reply because I agree with you.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:47 PM

12. I'm not complaining...



Don't think other people are complaining either...

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:54 PM

14. We should ban any beer sales over a 6 pack

More than that gets people drunk and they end up on "Cops".

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:59 PM

15. This thread made me laugh so hard my sides ache.

Especially the fat/skinny exchanges.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:11 PM

18. Although I do wish that they would actually start selling small drinks

because I am astonished when I order a medium drink (because they have no small) and it is (to me) huge.

I am against this ban, and it is because I do not think that the government should be telling people how to live their personal lives. I would never order a large soft drink, but if someone wants to order one, this is not my business. If people are gaining too much weight, this is only one of the problems that they have. And it also is not my business.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:08 PM

30. I agree Curmudgeoness.

A "small" soft drink today is larger than the largest portion available in my youth. I think it's marketing, or something, but it's more than I want.

Making smaller portions available would go a long way toward mitigating the soda pop crisis.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #30)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:00 PM

35. Ah, you must also remember 8 ounce Cokes.

All bottles of pop were 8 ounces in my youth too.

It amazes me that you cannot ask for a small soda at fast food restaurants---the smallest is a medium. Huh??? And medium is larger than a large in my younger days. And those super sizes----OMG, who can even drink that much???

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:11 PM

37. Yes. Glass bottles that had just the right heft.

I remember buying them for a nickle. No vending machine, just a refrigerator. Dating myself, aren't I?

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:45 AM

44. Me too

I also remember when soda (we called it pop) was a weekend treat. I was never allowed to have it during the week.

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Response to Irishonly (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:42 PM

79. Pop was a weekend treat, but

did you have Kool-aid all summer? We did have that, but we never got fat from those packets of Kool-aid and sugar added. We ran from morning to night!

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #79)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:23 PM

82. All summer long

We even made what we called "garbage can" Kool-aid. We wold all be playing outside and one of the moms would get out a gallon container and we would throw a few packages in. Almost as soon as the sun came up we were outside.

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Response to Irishonly (Reply #82)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:37 PM

83. From sun up until the "streetlights came on".

That was our rule, strictly enforced. Garbage can Kool-aid sounds yummy.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #83)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 11:25 AM

120. It was in my niegborhood also

Those summer days of long ago are some of my fondest memories.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:21 PM

74. i bought them for a nickle as well

 

but out of a vending machine at the cotton gin....the type of vending machine where you had to pull the bottle out

great memory

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:25 PM

21. Ha! You don't even realize that this rant is for you when you bemoan the current laws on guns.


After all, those were made by freely elected representatives. LOL.

The rant isn't about cigarettes, guns, cars, or soda.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:46 PM

22. I don't like the big hugh drinks. I don't buy them. If you want them you should be able to

 

buy it. I would buy a hugh bottle of water and drink it. I drink lots of water. It has to be very cold and even in the winter.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:48 PM

23. Suck my Big Gulp, asshole.

 

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:58 PM

25. A relevant quote by Robert A. Heinlein:

 

“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”

(Time Enough For Love, 1973)

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:39 PM

27. Heinlein was a Libertarian dickwad.

he included us Leftists among those "who want people controlled".

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:11 PM

92. That poster thinks RAH was some sort of political genius.

When he was actually totally naive of how the political process works among civilized human society.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:38 PM

26. I'm a "Fatso" and I agree completely.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:08 PM

31. It's funny how Bloomberg has his panties in a bunch over soda

 

But seems to think it's just fine to spend a quarter of a billion dollars buying 12 years in the mayor's office.

So let's recap here. A 24 oz. fountain soda is bad and should be outlawed. Spending $250 million on mayoral races is just fine though.

Which is hurting the country more?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/24/nyregion/24mayor.html

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:30 PM

33. the guy who wrote this is a douchebag. nt

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:57 PM

34. If the government is so concerned with my health then give me FUCKING HEALTH CARE

Otherwise blow it out their collective asses.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #34)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:46 PM

40. Ding ding ding ding!!!

Exactly right.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:53 AM

53. Word

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:01 PM

36. who cares....so buy two small Cokes instead one large one....n/t

 

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Response to unkachuck (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:54 AM

54. That's likely to be nearly twice as expensive.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:48 PM

80. Which makes the proposed ban a sort of tax.

 

Problem solved.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:34 AM

43. The reason everyone gets those huge drinks

is so that they can get 16oz of soda. Remove the ice and you're lucky if you get 16oz for that matter. Bloomberg now wants you to get 8oz in that 16oz cup and pay the same price you did for the huge one. So my advice to NYC dwellers is to travel with a 22-32oz ounce cup and then order a 16oz drink with no ice and a cup of ice. Then put both in your cup and you're good to go!

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:01 AM

47. It is insensitive and cruel to call overweight people names. Are you perfect? 2nd..it's not "fat"

people who drink large sugar sodas, only. It's usually men, some of whom are just big and tall men, some of whom are normal sized but very thirsty or want to have some soda to last for a car trip or whatever. Some are overweight, no doubt.

I am not fat and don't drink sugar sodas, so his ban wouldn't affect me. But I think it's a ban that crosses a line. Makes me want to adopt the "nanny government" term. It's different from ciggies, since ciggies are addictive, and even one pack damages lungs. But one large sugar soda occasionally doesn't do any damage to the body, if the person lives an otherwise healthy lifestyle.

What's next? Fining people who don't work out three times a week for at least 30 minutes each time? It's most certainly more unhealthy not to do that than to drink a large sugar soda.

It's ridiculous. New York doesn't even have the obesity problem that many other cities do.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:38 AM

60. Unfortunately, we are now a society that simply MUST have someone to denigrate

We are now down to really only 2 groups..overweight people and smokers.


or not ..you choose

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:03 AM

105. Do we have to go over this again?

Fifty percent of New Yorkers are overweight and the city has a terrible diabetes problem.

Do you live here, by the way?

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Response to jumptheshadow (Reply #105)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:43 AM

110. As I said, NY doesn't have the obesity problem that other states have.

I don't live there, altho I've been there and immediately noticed the lack of obese people, compared to the southern states.

You don't have to live somewhere to know stats.

10 extra ounces of a sugar drink every now and then does not adversely affect a person's health, esp if they otherwise live a healthy lifestyle. And that's a fact.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #110)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 11:08 AM

118. Well, since you're an expert...

...Could you speak to the diabetes issue in NY? Please give me facts and figures and pragmatic solutions for the problem.

Thank you.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:53 AM

52. I'm not fat, and I don't drink calories

Still, I think the ban is bullshit. This article is bullshit. None of his comparisons are relevant. Fuck that guy.

Would like to see pics of him, too, for him to run around calling people pussies and fatsos.


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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:15 AM

58. Hey new yawkah's....If you can take Rick....

Scott, then c'mon down to Florida....we have great beaches you can drive on, and the circle k's here have 64oz sodas, diet or otherwise, for .75! Seeing as the city has 8 million or so souls, most being democrats, we could certainly use the infusion!

Edited for incorrect soda size.....

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:34 AM

59. Nice to see you supporting elected Republicans.

Like George W. Bush, for example.

Or any other Republican that was elected. Governor Walker. Governor Scott. The nitwit that runs Ohio. The other nitwit that runs Virginia. Congressman Cantor. Congressman Paul. Senator Paul.

Don't complain, Citizen. You get to speak ONCE every 2/4/6 years, and you have to accept both the results of the election AND every single piece of legislation proposed and passed WITHOUT COMMENT OR COMPLAINT. If you don't like it, you have the chance to make your opinion known at the NEXT election, and ONLY at the next election.


And of course, Bloomberg a) had the rules changed in his second term so he could run for a 3rd term, and b) he spent an incredible amount of money per vote (far more than his opponents) to get that 3rd term.

Democracy - where dollar bills cast the votes.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:46 AM

65. Nice to see you can reduce every issue to guns.

 

For some RW extremists, it's taxes. For other RW extremists, it's abortion or gays. For you and RW extremists of your ilk, it's guns.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #65)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:12 AM

67. Ummm... there is no mention of guns in my post. However, there IS in your post. That you wrote.

FAIL.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #65)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:52 PM

91. Oooooh, that had to hurt

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Response to baldguy (Reply #65)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:13 AM

103. Wow.

 

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:02 PM

71. A NYC comedy unfolds

600,000 young black and Latino men stopped and frisked annually for "furtive movements".

Record-breaking 50,684 arrests in 2011 for cannabis possession.

Protesters beaten, pepper-sprayed and finally dispersed in a midnight assault.

Muslim Americans spied upon and harassed for 11 years straight.

And less egregiously, smokers taxed and ostracized beyond all reason.

No problem!

But suggest reducing the size of a Coke from a quart to a pint and it's Fascism!

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:11 PM

73. I want a ban on Di Hydrogen Monoxide....

NOW that is the real killer liquid!

Come on Bloomberg step up and be a mensch don't nuckle under to the Di Hydrogen Monoxide producers!


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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:31 PM

76. I don't have the words to adequately describe how much this asshole needs to go fuck himself.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:44 PM

77. I find these extreme reactions to the proposed ban kind of bizarre.

 

He's taking away our unfettered freedom to buy unhealthy flavored sugar water in large quantities!!!

We do live in a society where freedoms are limited. I can't buy booze at four in the morning where I live. Must be fascism!!!

When did this become Libertarian Underground?

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:13 AM

106. This became Libertarian Underground...

...When industries started hiring people as sock puppets to write on internet boards. While a truly objective person can be against the ban, they should read and do research if they want to speak intelligently about it.

Also, the same people who bemoan the excesses wrought by junk food marketing, or the stranglehold that big money has over all of our institutions, are now complaining about a move that curbs that influence. The same people who probably understood the message of "Super Size Me" are griping about a law that doesn't affect a person's freedom. You are still free to drink as much soda as you want. You probably will think twice about doing it.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:37 AM

109. because the rationale for the ban is specious; thus the ban is specious & arbitrary.

 

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:31 PM

78. Sooo . . . what kind of government do you want?

It sounds like one big enough to intervene in people's personal lives to the point of deciding what they put in their bodies but small enough not to tax the multinational corporations and rich.

Yeah, let's turn that around for awhile and see how that works.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:47 PM

84. "All I ask is equal freedom. When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow." H.L. Mencken

 

But, making soda illegal in large sizes is a nice marketing ploy to make sales of small sizes go up.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 06:01 PM

87. Obviously no one should do anything to try to slow down the obesity epidemic.

 

My main concern is that the Zombie hoards have enough low fat brains to eat.
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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:49 PM

90. Yes, democracy IS people working together...

While in New York City, it's Mayor Bloomberg telling you how little control you have over your life, and people like Drew Magary kissing his ass and praising him for being so gosh-darned smarter than the rest of us unwashed heathen who might want 20 ounces instead of 12.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:27 PM

94. I have to wonder

since this will do nothing to curb peoples soda intake won't it just mean more cups filling up landfills?

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Response to moparlunatic (Reply #94)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:36 PM

96. Yeah, I've been wondering about that, myself

A lot of 7-Eleven stores have no problem with me bringing in a SIGG bottle and filling it up with soda for the price of a Big Gulp refill. I think my bottle was made after they discontinued the use of bisphenol-A in their lining, so that's a practice I should consider taking up once again instead of chucking yet another plastic cup in the trash.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:50 PM

98. Sodas are disgusting. I haven't had one in over 15 years. My beer is subject to all sorts of rules.

 

Get over it, nasty soda drinkers.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #98)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:53 AM

117. Yep, when I get behind the wheel of my car after three Diet Cokes, LOOK OUT, WORLD!

Good grief.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #117)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 11:21 AM

119. There are far more rules than dealing just with driving.

 

Good grief.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:05 AM

99. I object to the entire spirit of this rant

We don't live in a country where elected officials can do whatever the flip they want. We have state and federal constitutions for a reason - because the whims of democracy must be tempered by the restraint of law.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:42 AM

100. How about those Grande Latte's from Starbucks then? They contain more sugar

than sodas...

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:07 AM

101. one of the more stupid arguments I've seen

 

so because they elected this bozo, he has carte blanche and can do whatever he wants, and no one has any right to disagree or even complain.

This guy who wrote this is a good example of a typical sheep, always deferring to authority and making excuses for idiocy such as this soda ban.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:36 AM

104. Fuck this dipshit.

If you're going to soapbox, at least get your shit right.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:16 AM

107. i wish i could use unrec. Of course i can live without a large soda. i can live without lots of

 

things, that's not the point.

Nor is it the point that only "pussies" would complain about such things; real americans, and real "men" just buck up whenever the government issues its diktats.

Nor is it the point that americans don't live in a free country.

Nor is it the point that new yorkers elected bloomberg.

nor is the definition of democracy "once you've elected someone you're obliged to knuckle under to everything he does."

There are lots of things in this essay that are beside the point.

It's one of the stupidest essays i've read all week.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:32 AM

108. Drink flavored seltzer

Besides if people were healthier in America medical costs would decrease. If we switch to some form of socialized medicine, the benefits of a healthier population are obvious.

Get off the soda, people!

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:57 AM

112. I opened the OP because I thought it was a Weird Al video. nt

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:20 AM

113. i see, you don't like it so it should be banned.

 

does this apply to books? movies? songs? red meat? any meat? produce


"carrot juice constitutes murder
greenhouses are prisons for slaves
it's time to stop all this gardening
let's call a spade a spade" - The Arrogant Worms

BTW, i love my large coke. . .and I'm 6'2" and 210 lbs.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:51 AM

116. This edict is completely stupid. I mean, HE LEFT TUBS OF BUTTERED POPCORN GO SCOT-FREE!

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