Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:12 PM
63splitwindow (2,657 posts)
Does Oregon have "felony murder" law?
I hope so and that they charge Bundy, et al, with murder under same. Their actions constituted multiple felonies and resulted, tonight, in the death of one of their fellow law breakers.
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63splitwindow | Jan 2016 | OP |
The Velveteen Ocelot | Jan 2016 | #1 | |
Nevernose | Jan 2016 | #3 | |
rocktivity | Feb 2016 | #15 | |
revmclaren | Jan 2016 | #2 | |
Old Codger | Jan 2016 | #4 | |
63splitwindow | Jan 2016 | #6 | |
Old Codger | Jan 2016 | #10 | |
63splitwindow | Jan 2016 | #12 | |
longship | Jan 2016 | #5 | |
63splitwindow | Jan 2016 | #7 | |
Calista241 | Jan 2016 | #8 | |
longship | Jan 2016 | #9 | |
MissB | Jan 2016 | #13 | |
longship | Jan 2016 | #14 | |
rocktivity | Feb 2016 | #16 | |
NutmegYankee | Jan 2016 | #11 |
Response to 63splitwindow (Original post)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:16 PM
The Velveteen Ocelot (91,399 posts)
1. Yes.
Oregon Revised Statutes § 163.115 says anyone who commits or attempts to commit a predicate felony, and in furtherance of the crime or in the immediate flight therefrom, causes the death of a person other than one of the participants is guilty of murder. The predicate felonies are:
Arson in the first degree Criminal mischief in the first degree by means of an explosive Burglary in the first degree Escape in the first degree Kidnapping in the first or second degree Robbery in the first degree Any felony sexual offense in the first degree Compelling prostitution Assault in the first or second degree against a victim younger than 14 |
Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:24 PM
Nevernose (13,081 posts)
3. Interesting that they specify felonies
In some other states, it's any felony, not a proscribed list.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:05 PM
rocktivity (43,933 posts)
15. Burglary in the first degree
works for me!
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Response to 63splitwindow (Original post)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:19 PM
revmclaren (1,709 posts)
2. This is a good link...
Response to 63splitwindow (Original post)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:03 AM
Old Codger (4,205 posts)
4. I guess it depends
I am not sure, seems that they are being charged with federal crimes, not sure how state laws come into effect here..Federal murder laws are more complicated than most state murder statutes but usually a murder charge comes from the state it is committed in...gets a little complicated when both enforcement agencies are involved..
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Response to Old Codger (Reply #4)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:21 AM
63splitwindow (2,657 posts)
6. Is there a federal "felony murder" law? n/t
Response to 63splitwindow (Reply #6)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:34 AM
Old Codger (4,205 posts)
10. Federal "murder" laws
Are very very complicated, almost always they use state law wherever it occurs, Oregon has a murder law that does allow for a murder charge to be brought into play if the death occurs during the commission of a felony regardless of who actually causes the death it is considered murder by the felons (this is all I can find and may be out of date)
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Response to Old Codger (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:37 AM
63splitwindow (2,657 posts)
12. From another thread...
Under § 163.115, anyone in a group or alone that commits or attempts to commit a predicate felony, and in furtherance of the crime or in the immediate flight therefrom causes the death of a person other than one of the participants is guilty of murder. The predicate felonies are:[2]
Arson in the first degree Criminal mischief in the first degree by means of an explosive Burglary in the first degree Escape in the first degree Kidnapping in the first or second degree Robbery in the first degree Any felony sexual offense in the first degree Compelling prostitution Assault in the first or second degree against a victim younger than 14 |
Response to 63splitwindow (Original post)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:21 AM
longship (40,416 posts)
5. Who did they murder?
I haven't heard of any deaths except Finicum and he was one of the perpetrators.
So, if nobody else died, it cannot be felony murder. I guess I don't understand your post. If nobody died it is not murder, is it? ![]() |
Response to longship (Reply #5)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:24 AM
63splitwindow (2,657 posts)
7. That is precisely what 'felony murder" doctrine means.
It says if two guys are robbing a bank (for example) and one of them is shot and killed by the police the other can be charged with "felony murder".
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Response to longship (Reply #5)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:26 AM
Calista241 (4,110 posts)
8. If anyone dies, either victims or co-perpetrators, during the commission of a crime
then you can be charged with their deaths.
The example is, you and a buddy break into a house to rob the place. Your buddy gets shot by the homeowner during commission of the break in, and you can be charged with his death. |
Response to Calista241 (Reply #8)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:33 AM
longship (40,416 posts)
9. Thank you for the replies.
One learns something new every day.
Much obliged to both responders. ![]() |
Response to longship (Reply #9)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:53 AM
MissB (14,121 posts)
13. I explained that concept to my sons tonight.
I used the bank robber scenario where one of the accomplices is the getaway driver. If anyone is shot and killed during the robbery, the idiot waiting in the car will also be facing a murder charge.
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Response to MissB (Reply #13)
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:27 PM
rocktivity (43,933 posts)
16. And let's say that one of the bank customers was an elderly with a weak heart
Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:03 PM - Edit history (6) who drops dead of fright during the robbery -- the entire gang could be charged with her death, too.
But there's "good news" for the driver of the getaway car: if his driving fatally injures anyone in the course of making the gang's escape, his companions as well as he can be charged with the felony murders of the victims! ![]() rocktivity |
Response to longship (Reply #5)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:36 AM
NutmegYankee (14,586 posts)