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Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:09 PM

The Bundy gang has now bulldozed a road thru an archeological site

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militants-continue-to-operate-bulldozers-move-soil-in-refuge-/
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service confirmed Thursday that not only is the road built last week by the occupiers new, but it is also within an archaeological site important to the Burns Paiute Tribe.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service assistant director of external affairs, Jason Holm, condemned the militants last week for what he called “disgusting, ghoulish behavior.”

They removed part of a fence to create the short access road.



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Why aren't they being stopped?

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Reply The Bundy gang has now bulldozed a road thru an archeological site (Original post)
peacebird Jan 2016 OP
Hortensis Jan 2016 #1
phantom power Jan 2016 #9
Hortensis Jan 2016 #10
phantom power Jan 2016 #14
KT2000 Jan 2016 #16
Hortensis Jan 2016 #18
Lordquinton Jan 2016 #29
navarth Jan 2016 #35
Lordquinton Jan 2016 #58
zeemike Jan 2016 #44
Nevernose Jan 2016 #62
atreides1 Jan 2016 #2
NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #6
Enthusiast Jan 2016 #55
SunSeeker Jan 2016 #69
Fuddnik Jan 2016 #3
KamaAina Jan 2016 #4
Rex Jan 2016 #22
RKP5637 Jan 2016 #54
LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #5
UTUSN Jan 2016 #11
world wide wally Jan 2016 #7
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navarth Jan 2016 #36
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Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #45
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spanone Jan 2016 #12
peacebird Jan 2016 #13
spanone Jan 2016 #15
dhill926 Jan 2016 #17
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maxsolomon Jan 2016 #19
The Wielding Truth Jan 2016 #66
Rex Jan 2016 #20
Sunlei Jan 2016 #21
backscatter712 Jan 2016 #23
saidsimplesimon Jan 2016 #24
NoMoreRepugs Jan 2016 #25
msongs Jan 2016 #26
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Helen Borg Jan 2016 #28
Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #31
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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:12 PM

1. Oh, my.

Perhaps Paiute leaders should give these idiots a call and explain a few things they really need(ed) to know -- if they didn't already.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:54 PM

9. Does anybody think these assholes would care?

If they care at all, I'd predict they'll go out of their way to bulldoze or otherwise destroy any archaeological sites.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:13 PM

10. Actually, I do think they care about being taken for

clueless destructive knuckedraggers instead of noble freedom fighters, yes. That's in spite of their obvious, also clueless bigotry and indifference about just who came first.

Stupid as they clearly are, they understand that the success of this endeavor depends on their media image.


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"You have died of dysentery." From the New Yorker.



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And so far they're losing bad.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:24 PM

14. Their interest in "image" is all about how they signal to other members of their tribe

No, they do not care about presenting themselves as "credible" in the sense that you or I would understand that word. If they care about anything it will be about properly signaling to other conservatives that they are also members of the same tribe. And that means showing a proper disregard for things like "the environment" or "political correctness" or "concern for anybody who isn't a white Christian conservative."

So, no, I would bet money that if you showed them a map of all the archaeological and/or environmental areas of interest, they would go out of their way to deface them. Because that is the image they care about presenting to the outside world.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:31 PM

16. yes - Bundy brags

that the Endangered Species Act means nothing to him so he does not follow the law.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

18. Those they want to draw are not exactly original thinkers,

Phantom.

The Kochs and their tribe have an enormous amount to do with the anti-government behaviors the Bundys are part of. They have been fanning the flames and pulling strings for decades; however they are currently losing this media war to widen support for further acting out. This one was a mistake.

And it's becoming clearer all the time that we can thank intelligent refusal to escalate by the nasty old federal government for that.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:26 PM

29. We can mock them all we want

They are achieving their goals, and no one is stopping them. They are building roads and no one is stopping them. They are accessing federal databases and no one is stopping them. They are going to the grocery store and no one is stopping them.

They don't care about hearts and minds, they have colonized the nature preserve, papa bundy still owns his ranch and cattle herds, and still roams them on federal lands and no one is stopping him.

They are winning.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:43 PM

35. this.

So we're trying to avoid another Waco? This is different IMO. These guys will keep doing this shit until they're stopped.

Why are they allowed to go around freely?

If this was Occupy, or Black Lives Matter, they'd be gone already. It's maddening.

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Response to navarth (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:36 PM

58. I've seen a comparison of them to occupy

and while it's true that occupy did benefit from privilege that they weren't immediately and brutally removed, they were still under police watch constantly. and they were attacked by the police on a regular basis. The TV crews were on them 24/7 trying to cast them in a bad light.

These guys? Nothing. The only TV crews that show up are invited by them for interviews.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:57 PM

44. No one is stopping them and we are not holding our government accountable

Because?...could it be because we have a democrat in the WH and he appointed one in the Justice department and we don't want criticize a party member?

Yep they are winning and we are letting them...and our excuse is because they have guns...just as it was at the Bundy ranch...
Lord, lord what cowards we must be.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:52 PM

62. The Bundys believe the Paiute ceded their land rights

Because...something something something... And therefore all this American Indian kvetching is bullshit (except for the stuff in boxes that the TaliBundys ransacked yesterday -- apparently that's sacred).

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:12 PM

2. White privilege!

The feds are all about white privilege, considering that most federal law enforcement are the same color as the Bundy gang!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:18 PM

6. You mean

 

if this



was Bundy it would be all over by now?

I agree.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:29 PM

55. They would have been killed within the first 24 hours.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #55)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:21 AM

69. More like 24 seconds. nt

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:13 PM

3. These assholes are getting more like ISIS and the Taliban every day.

Treat them as such.

The balls in your court Obama.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:14 PM

4. Now they really are Vanilla ISIS!

 

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:46 PM

22. Fundys seem to do the same thing and none of it good.

 

There are parts of religions that appeal to psychopaths. Fundys are all the same. Eventually that must bring God into their fight, since the rest of the planet sees how incredibly fucking stupid they behave.

Invoke God and double down.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:28 PM

54. Yep, they are cut out of the same piece of cloth! They are domestic terrorists free to roam. n/t

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:14 PM

11. Exactly. It's religious Fundamentalism. Since the wingnuts constantly demand that

we say "RADICAL ISLAM" (and "terra terra terra", they should be saying "Radical Mormonism".

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:21 PM

7. At what point is enough enough?

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:42 PM

8. They are not being removed for the same reason the rabbits can't

evict the rattlesnake that crawled into their burrow.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:44 PM

36. The National Guard ain't rabbits....just sayin

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Response to navarth (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:04 PM

48. You sure?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:20 PM

53. Hmmm....fair question.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:59 PM

45. The NG or FBI (etc.) could wipe them out in minutes.

 

Well, if they were willing to destroy the facility, that is.

Hell, I hear a LOT of local talk (I live in Portland) from people who would be more than happy to help get rid of these shitheads themselves. Obviously a big percentage of that kind of talk is hot air...but if a real "Oregon militia" (that is, ordinary Oregon citizens officially mobilized to deal with a threat to the state) were allowed to handle this, the seditionists would be facing literally thousands of people, at least as well-armed as they are. The do-nothing Feds are probably saving these assholes' lives.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:10 PM

52. There's your solution.

Put a bounty on them and privatize the matter.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:16 PM

12. please stop this shit....and...please. arrest. the. criminals.

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Response to spanone (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:20 PM

13. Then sell their assets to pay for the $$$ they have cost Oregon & the feds

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Response to peacebird (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:24 PM

15. this is just maddening.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

17. since the Feds aren't doing a goddamn thing...

does the governor have any law enforcement options here?

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:02 PM

47. The state police...and National Guard troops.

 

The feds have asked her not to do anything...or even to comment, apparently, although she blew off the latter request. Gov. Brown has demanded action, no small thing for a peace-loving progressive like her.

The occupation is on federal land, but it would take someone with more legal expertise than me to determine if that prevents a state governor from dealing directly with a threat to security within her own borders.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:33 PM

19. Arrest them one at a time as they leave for supplies

or to go home to work. Deny them supplies, but leave the power on to protect the facility.

You can leave, but you can't go in. Wait them out. Eventually the fuel and food will run out.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 07:29 PM

66. Yes. Since they have commited crimes they should be arrested as they leave. Simple.

Why the big deal? Just have the police up the road a bit or at a grocery store. Stun gun them so they can't reach for their gun and arrest them.

Stop any food from being delivered and wait. They have overtaken federal property and are committing a felony. Right?

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:42 PM

20. Hmmm...why does that sound familiar? They have no respect for any culture or history.

 

Likes to destroy relics and holy sites. Stupid and cowardly. Sounds like generic fundy terrorists.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:42 PM

21. The desert wildmen take advantage of decades of favoritism from our 'good old boys' Feds.

A warped 'sense of entitlement' is what happens to people when they get almost free use of our public lands for DECADES & more free gov. money to clean-up OUR public lands their livestock/drilling/mining trash.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:50 PM

23. I won't shed any tears if Dildo Daesh got Waco'd. nt

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:51 PM

24. Enough is enough, I say arrest this gang of thugs, post haste.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:00 PM

25. CNN on this 24/7 ?

I didn't think so

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:00 PM

26. thanks Obama. which federal facility will you allow me to hijack with guns? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:48 PM

39. +1000000

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:16 PM

27. The 'Crazys'' version of Occupy Wall Sreet.

 

They're trying a Redneck Rope-a-Dope.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:24 PM

28. ISIS parallels emerging?

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Response to Helen Borg (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:35 PM

31. ^^^YES!!^^^


Thank you.

OS

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Response to Helen Borg (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:35 PM

57. It was a matter of time, this should get interesting.

 

With more groups showing up, the chance for them all shooting each other goes up.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:29 PM

30. Why aren't they being stopped? They're white republicans

 

Sorry for stating the obvious.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:38 PM

32. so the Daesh has been doing this for years

but they do it and you hear nothing about it smh

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:42 PM

33. We can't arrest them 'cuz them fellers got guns and might shoot at us.

 

Isn't that what cops do when they come across bank robbers?

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:42 PM

34. Video Bundy posted yesterday, sifting thru Paiute artifacts stored at Malheur Refuge

Published on Jan 20, 2016 by Red Power Media

Video shows Ammon Bundy’s militiamen standing in what appears to be a storage area of a building at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. More than 4,000 Native American artifacts are housed at the refuge. Burns Paiute tribal chairperson Charlotte Roderique has expressed concern over how the militia was handling the tribe’s history.






Why aren't they being stopped?

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Response to countryjake (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 10:06 AM

70. These POSs believe that they are going to find allies in the Paiute people

Stupid fuckers, the Paiute are mad as hell at those dumb-asses.

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Response to me b zola (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:15 PM

77. Here's video of a statement that Jarvis Kennedy gave at a press conference ...

that the Burns Paiute Tribe held held back at the start of the invasion.

Oregon Tribe Says Militia 'Occupying Native Land and Must Leave'



"What if it was a bunch of natives that went out there and overtook that, or any federal land," Kennedy said. "Would they let us come into town and get supplies and re-up? ... Think about that."



Burns Paiute Tribe: Militants need to get off 'our land' by Ian K. Kullgren The Oregonian ~ Jan 6, 2016

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/burns_piaute_tribe_militants_s.html

BURNS PAIUTE RESERVATION — Leaders of the Burns Paiute Tribe on Wednesday called on militants occupying a federal wildlife compound to end their standoff.

In a press conference, the tribal council sought to educate the public about their own painful history with the federal government. The militants, they said, are only making things worse for everyone in Harney County.

"They just need to get the hell out of here," said Jarvis Kennedy, a member of the tribal council. "They didn't ask anybody, we don't want them here...our little kids are sitting at home when they should be in school."

~snip~

The Paiute Tribe once occupied a large swath of land that includes the Malheur National Wildlife refuge — archaeological evidence dates back 6,000 years — but they were forced out in the late 1870s. Before settlers arrived, the tribe used it as a wintering ground, said Charlotte Rodrique, the tribal chair.

"We as a tribe view that this is still our land no matter who's living on it," Rodrique said.



And, for a bit of the Paiute's history, Amy Goodman interviewed Jacqueline Keeler on Democracy Now! (Jan 5, 2016)

These Aren't the First Armed Whites to Take Over That Oregon Land: Just Ask the Native Paiute People

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:47 PM

37. Let the feds, state, and local prosecutors build up enough charges against them to send them away

for good.

I'd suspect we have listening devices planted all over the site, to listen and gather intel on them and the their backers. Maybe we are trying to build a case for treason against them. We need audio and video of them planning armed insurrection against our government.Remember we planted listening devices in milk cartons during the Waco standoff. That's how we knew they were going to commit mass suicide.

I hope we are planting rumors of traitors within their group.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:02 PM

78. It wouldn't surprise me if that is what is going on.

They're probably letting them hang themselves. But, they're also having to do it in a way that doesn't stir up the rest of the militia types. No doubt they want to avoid another Oklahoma City bombing-type event from these fuckbags.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #78)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:50 PM

79. If there are children there as human shields, then I'd say the feds are right to wait.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:47 PM

38. They should be hauled off to Supermax.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:50 PM

40. "Why aren't they being stopped?"

 

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:51 PM

41. You can't unscramble an egg. The feds share the blame.




I tend to think now that a judge might be inclined to show leniency when these clowns (if ever) get to court because the "law enforcement" on site let them get away with so much.


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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:53 PM

42. Well the Kochs are funding them, so of course they are protected. Our representatives are owned

by the Koch Conglomerate of billionaires.

Get a set of nuts, force them out and imprison them all.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:14 PM

67. I think Thom Hartman is right on this. These guys are shilling for the Koch brothers to pressure

the feds to loosen their grip on federal lands so mining companies can rape the shit out of protected lands.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #67)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 10:38 AM

71. Thom nailed it.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #67)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:15 PM

74. Exactly

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #67)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:44 PM

80. Thom is always amazingly informative.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:55 PM

43. Clitless bastards

They got the sensitivity of rock headed stone orcs. they need to be in jail.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:59 PM

46. I hate violence -

- but it's time to bring these people to justice.

I really don't want to see anyone get shot, whether they be occupier or law enforcement, but the longer this goes on, the harder it will be to do anything AND the more damage will be done to a national treasure.

The Bundys are selfish people who don't care about anyone or anything that doesn't directly benefit them. The time when they could just pack up and go home is long over.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:05 PM

49. ^^^^^ this

Their fifteen minutes on the stage is up.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:15 AM

63. Yes. +100



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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:05 PM

50. Send in the tanks

I'm tired of this, the longer they wait to get them out of there the more it will embolden other terrorists to do the same.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:05 PM

51. I hope the Paiute take matters into their own hands

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:33 PM

56. Obama should send in a hand picked team of heavily armed Muslims.



But only if we could record the Bundy reaction.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:00 PM

59. I'm convinced that these people have friends in high places in the FBI protecting them.

I can see no other reason for this BS being allowed to continue.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:49 PM

61. Or it's taken time to get agents in place within the militias on site.

That's the only other thing that makes sense.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:45 PM

60. the real reason

is that nothing would get out the mouth breathing subhuman gop like a bunch of martyrs. BE it is Isis or Bundy, we need to not merely be prepared to fight Fundy terrorists but to yes, if they want to fight a war, kill them and make sure the disgrace is felt for generations. The optimum solution is to jail them and show them enjoying the same lifestyle they would gladly inflict on blacks or browns.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:30 PM

64. This is going to get expensive.

Let's hope they have a good liability umbrella policy.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:49 PM

65. They are criminal why is the US govt. allowing this. jail them or shoot them.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 11:34 PM

68. now they are using human shields

Some have brought their kids to live there. More IS parallels.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:40 AM

72. Is the govt afraid of these assholes?

Why is this allowed to continue?

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:45 AM

73. Their shit needs to be stopped. The do not have the right to fuck up property and hold building and

 

hostage and import snacks. Who the fuck is in charge of ridding Oregon of their presence? Are they on vacation?

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:27 PM

75. It looks like we have

our very own brand of ISIL right here in Oregon. How similar is this to the destruction by the IS of the oldest Christian monastery in Iraq? They both lay waste to whatever they hate or don't understand.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:08 PM

76. Compare this to the way blacks were treated during the Civil Rights sit ins.


What a difference because of white privilege.

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:05 AM

81. And with this act they become no better than ISIS

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Response to peacebird (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:47 PM

82. because they are not black. Imagine what would happen to them if they were

this is shameful.

Our government is afraid of right wingers. Much like the Latin American governments were afraid of the drug cartels, ours are afraid of white bozos.

It's very shameful.

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