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KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:34 AM Jan 2016

The people of Flint, Michigan should escort all state officials outside the

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city limits under armed escort, should cease ALL state tax collections and remittances and should set up armed militia around the city's borders to keep all state officials out.

Goddamn, but I am mad. Fuck you, Snyder, you miserable sack of shit. And fuck all Republicans, each and every mother-fucking one of them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis.

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The people of Flint, Michigan should escort all state officials outside the (Original Post) KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 OP
There's a big demonstration, tomorrow night, in Lansing, timed for the 'State of the State' address Siwsan Jan 2016 #1
The Equal Protection clause was relevant when SCOTUS decided Bush v. Gore, but KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #3
I'd love to see it dumbcat Jan 2016 #2
My cold will probably prevent me from attending, but my brother might go Siwsan Jan 2016 #4
In reality, the governor would just call in the state militia (National Guard) NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #5
Not if Obama federalizes the MI Guard first. - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #6
I have strong doubts he would do that. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #7
He can federalize to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed, i. e., the KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #8
Either result would be the retaking of the city. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #10
Hmm. You may have a point there. Only other KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #12
The Whiskey Rebellion. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #13
Interesting for sure, altho I am not sure it is KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #16
One of my points is the governor has the authority to restore order in the state. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #18
Yeah, I hear ya. I suppose initially I envisioned Obama federalizing the state Guard to KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #19
K&R UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #9
Hopefully all the other states with R governors and legislatures jwirr Jan 2016 #11
The effects of lead poisoning on the young are largely irreversible. This is a Katrina from KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #14
I know. As you know I have worked with disabled children jwirr Jan 2016 #17
And you are an unsung American hero(ine) - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #20
Well I thank you but I do not see myself that way. I'm just jwirr Jan 2016 #21
With all due respect, most heroes and heroines do not see KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #22
You do know that I was one of your followers during the jwirr Jan 2016 #23
And now it is my turn to feel totally humbled. I suppose I should say "Thank you." It is weird that KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #27
We have all let the victims of police violence down but we jwirr Jan 2016 #28
My concern is that other states with R governors ARE watching.... Bigmack Jan 2016 #29
That is true. Hadn't thought of that. jwirr Jan 2016 #30
They should all resend the water bills to the Governor with a Resign now visible malaise Jan 2016 #15
Wouldn't it just be easier to have them drink the water and take a swim? nt KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #24
Spoken like a true revolutionary! I like the cut of your jib and KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #25
They're adults. The lead Ilsa Jan 2016 #26

Siwsan

(26,709 posts)
1. There's a big demonstration, tomorrow night, in Lansing, timed for the 'State of the State' address
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jan 2016

They will be right outside of the Capitol building. And it's not just people from Flint who will be there. The people of Detroit have been a massive ally in this fight.

I'm hoping we can keep this as peaceful as possible, and that people will start pressuring their representatives to vote to sanction and remove Snyder.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
3. The Equal Protection clause was relevant when SCOTUS decided Bush v. Gore, but
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jan 2016

the children of Flint weren't protected from lead poisoning???

Fuck this system.

Siwsan

(26,709 posts)
4. My cold will probably prevent me from attending, but my brother might go
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jan 2016

If he does, I'll post his updates. And will share any news links I come across.

NutmegYankee

(16,267 posts)
5. In reality, the governor would just call in the state militia (National Guard)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jan 2016

And retake the city. Snyder is such an asshole he wouldn't care about casualties.

NutmegYankee

(16,267 posts)
7. I have strong doubts he would do that.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

He could have done so with the Oregon National Guard for the wildlife refuge insurrection, but hasn't. The law also limits his authority on why to federalize - he can only call them up to retake the city. He can't protect a city in open rebellion.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
8. He can federalize to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed, i. e., the
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

opposite of what Snyder has done and is doing. See Little Rock 1956 (or thereabouts).

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
12. Hmm. You may have a point there. Only other
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jan 2016

historical precedent I can summon is western Virginia's split from Virginia ca. 1860, upon Virginia's secession.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
16. Interesting for sure, altho I am not sure it is
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jan 2016

directly analogous, as Flint's residents do not have a grievance with the national government, so much as with the the faction currently in control in the state government.

NutmegYankee

(16,267 posts)
18. One of my points is the governor has the authority to restore order in the state.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

The President, if he acted, would also have the same responsibility. Despite how much of an asshole Snyder is, he still is the executive of the lawful government of the state.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
19. Yeah, I hear ya. I suppose initially I envisioned Obama federalizing the state Guard to
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

preclude the bloodbath that might ensue were the Guard left under Snyder's command and control. But I readily take your larger point.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. Hopefully all the other states with R governors and legislatures
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jan 2016

are watching to see just how much their government (state) cares about them.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
14. The effects of lead poisoning on the young are largely irreversible. This is a Katrina from
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

which there can be no rebuilding for its victims.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. I know. As you know I have worked with disabled children
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jan 2016

and adults for my entire adult life. This governor is a piece of sh-t.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
21. Well I thank you but I do not see myself that way. I'm just
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jan 2016

like the rest of you - trying to do our best to make this world better.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
22. With all due respect, most heroes and heroines do not see
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jan 2016

themselves as heroic. Indeed, humility seems almost a prerequisite in the modern age for the heroic.

Contrast with Herr Trump's non-stop vulgar vainglory.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. You do know that I was one of your followers during the
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jan 2016

Ferguson MO protests. That is how I was looking at you.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
27. And now it is my turn to feel totally humbled. I suppose I should say "Thank you." It is weird that
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jan 2016

you should mention Ferguson as, once again, my thoughts have turned to dropping everything, this time to head for Flint. I did not "go to Ferguson," wisely I suppose in rretrospect. But I can't help feeling I let Mike Brown and his surviving family down.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
28. We have all let the victims of police violence down but we
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jan 2016

are still working on it.

I also am thinking that the water problems in Flint MI more than likely are the same problem as we saw in Ferguson MO. Racism. No one was watching the health of that water system and I would be willing to bet that a lot of the problems are now cropping up in black neighborhoods.

There are so many of our problems that are a part of the whole system of racism and bigotry. We have a big job ahead of us.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
29. My concern is that other states with R governors ARE watching....
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

If they elected a Repub governor, why would they care about a small city with a large black population?

"Hey... those blacks...Latinos...whoever... can't run their own cities. Why should we pay for their water, etc. Fuck 'em"

Remember the attitude the R's had toward the folks in New Orleans?

malaise

(271,941 posts)
15. They should all resend the water bills to the Governor with a Resign now visible
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

and then fill up his yard with the bills the state should anticipate as a result of the lead poisoning - would be nice if all of America sent him a bill.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
25. Spoken like a true revolutionary! I like the cut of your jib and
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jan 2016

salute you. While my anger has reached a slow boil, I lack that level of sang froid. But I can respect it in others.

Ilsa

(61,832 posts)
26. They're adults. The lead
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jan 2016

won't quite harm them the way it's done those poor kids and people with chronic illnesses.

Maybe tying lead blocks on their feet and sending them for a swim...

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