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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHortensis
(58,785 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)And too true...
erronis
(15,185 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)In public where they can be overheard I mean.
I personally think the leadership of both parties chumps the voters to a huge extent, the Republicans are a lot more successful at it because the Democratic leaning lower class is more onto the scam.
Both parties are huge amalgams of many different interest groups but the Democrats are even more fractured than the Republicans and unfortunately big money has a gravity all its own that pulls many things to it, including a great many politicians, far too many of whom have a D besides their name.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)is that the customers fault?
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)40 years, you bet it's their fault. More fists punching the image in the mirror and less casting all blame on the people who told them to line up to be screwed over all those years would be in order.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)You won't find the average Democrat hanging out here. Just read the snail-mail pleas sent out en masse by the various (D) entities: DNC, DSCC, DCCC and others. These cash-quests read like a 2nd grade textbook. If THAT can be extrapolated into a condensation of loyal Democrats, it's really pretty disheartening.
We really NEED a hellfire and brimstone candidate (such as Bernie Sanders - hint, hint) instead of a smooth-talking slickster with mega-bucks they're indebted to.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)especially as they have been and still are gulping down the special Kool-Aid -- AND paying through the nose for it both before and after. But other irresponsible types too, of course.
I've been blocking almost all political emails for some while, so I haven't seen what you're talking about. Sadly, I believe it anyway.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Build a political party and offer candidates that actually are focused on improving the lives of the 99% and not just the filthy rich, and they WILL come, and they WILL vote.
Sorry to inject truth into a BS myth festival.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We are something like 150 million voters. Ultimately nothing is done that we don't either actively or passively allow.
It seems unlikely that more prosperous, complaisant voters would vote in significantly larger numbers. Although it might make some currently disaffected people feel more empowered, and thus more involved, indifference to and caring about issues when they aren't seen as currently affecting oneself are mostly a matter of personality.
In any case, it took 40 years of screwing themselves over, by not doing their homework and voting responsibly or at all, for some to finally get angry enough to at least sit up and start the "I've been screwed! Where's mine?" yammer.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... the fault of those running and doing the campaigning. Denial won't change that cold, hard fact.
It's the #1 job of politicians and their staff to attract voters by doing FOR them, not just telling them you will just to gain their support and then turning around and shitting on them once you take office.
Until the Democratic Party relearns this basic TRUTH, they will never succeed.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)if I'll try to bribe sulky slackers out of their chairs with promises of candy and offers to carry them out to my car. IMO, you have very peculiar notion of the responsibilities of citizenship.
Elections belong to the people. It's their decision. If they decide to turn their back on the fire and burn their behinds, then they will just have to sit on their blisters.
― Abraham Lincoln
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Lining their own pockets and robbing We the People.
Watch and learn.
We've had enough of their shit.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Some may be awful people, but they still typically put in long, stressful hours, and risks and challenges are a normal part of their lives. If they have contempt for people who don't even know what the duties of Congress are and are too lazy to vote every 2 years, well, wouldn't that be understandable? And if we reelect people who have already betrayed their duty to us, as many millions do every election, don't we deserve our own contempt as well as theirs?
BTW, I also think you have a very peculiar notion of who "we" are.
Every election is determined by the people who show up. ― Larry J. Sabato
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... and dark is light.
Got it. Thanks.
Gothmog
(144,939 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)bailouts, surging health and education costs, and brutal sentencing laws to pander to the burbs!"