18 Cologne attack suspects ID'd as asylum-seekers; police chief fired

[cali]

No, I'm not Islamaphobic. Yes, I support taking refugees from Syria and Libya. Having said that, I believe that there should be mandatory "classes" in acculturation for immigrants from that region with a focus on preventing this shit.



German authorities have identified 31 people, including 18 asylum-seekers, as suspects in mob sex attacks and muggings in Cologne on New Year's Eve -- one of several such incidents in Europe.

In Cologne, where most of the attacks took place, a police spokesman confirmed Chief Wolfgang Albers was fired Friday. Albers' dismissal comes amid criticism of his department's handling of the violence.

One victim of the Cologne violence told CNN there were too few police on the streets to prevent attacks.

"We ran to the police. But we saw the police were so understaffed," the victim said. "They couldn't take care of us and we as women suffered the price."

Spiegel Online reported that groups of men prevented officers from reaching those crying out for help.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/europe/europe-new-year-alleged-violence/

[Sherman A1]

1. I believe that those who

Committed these acts should be arrested, tried and given very significant sentences should they be proven guilty. I also believe that the process should be well covered in the media to let all know the gravity of the acts and the unacceptability of them.

[smirkymonkey]

2. They need to be punished to know that their actions will not be tolerated in

their new society. A slap on the wrist is not going to help anything.

[Sherman A1]

3. Agreed

This is why I suggested "significant sentences." It needs to be made painfully clear that this type of activity isn't acceptable.

[cigsandcoffee]

6. Shouldn't that already be clear? n/t

[Lucky Luciano]

4. Easy solution - send 'em back.

But I am all for helping the deserving refugees.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

5. Germany took in a million mostly military age male refugees in less than a year.

Without even screening them first, (they are provisionally allowed in until it is proven they are not refugees). This is just crazy. Germany is a quarter the size of the US; how could they possibly manage this? And millions more are expected in 2016.

[smirkymonkey]

7. WTF were they thinking?

Seriously.

[JI7]

8. some people are just assholes, they should be treated like any other person

who would do what they did . the issue of culture is more in them probably being more likely to get away with this type of behavior where they come from rather than in truly not knowing it's wrong.

[cali]

9. Oh bullshit. They did stuff that is wrong in any culture.

[JI7]

23. that's not what i said

I said the culture probably allows them to get away with it where they come from . Not that it's ok and they don't know that it's wrong.

It's the girls who are more likely to be punished by restricting what they can do.

[oberliner]

15. They didn't know that sexually assaulting women was wrong?

Do you really think that is the case?

[JI7]

24. I said the exact opposite

I said the issue is not them not knowing it's wrong. But that they probably were able to get away with this type of behavior where they came from.

At worst they probably got a lecture while the girls they harassed had restrctions put in place of when they could go out or what they wear etc.

And that's why they need to be punished like anyone else.

[oberliner]

26. Isn't it much harder to get away with this type of behavior where they came from?

It would be almost unheard of for single females to be walking around by themselves where they came from.

[JI7]

31. not for the men who can go where they want

Also syria was not like saudi arabia in how they separated the sexes. Women didn't have to cover up either. I'm referring mostly to state . I'm individual families were much more strict.

And if a guy sexually harassed females . The solution would most likely be to prevent the females movement and make them cover up.

[AngryAmish]

35. Much harder to get away with it in their culture.

By and large they live in a tribal culture. The everyday people they live with are mostly kin. Groping kin would get you punished or hurt.

If they are not kin, the victims would have kin that would kill you. Ever notice why tribal cultures have blood fueds? Hatfield and McCoys? Closely related tribal societies have blood fueds.

They saw no consequences, since the authorities did nothing and the women have no kin.

Understand closely relates tribes, understand the mentality. The West is not tribal (mostly, I am due to my family).

[pampango]

10. Cologne police chief fired as city faces far-right Pegida rally

The city braced on Saturday for a rally of the far-right Pegida movement, one of the groups that point to the assaults as proof that chancellor Angela Merkel’s liberal migrant policy is failing.

Police expect about 1,000 Pegida supporters and the local far-right group Pro NRW, as well as counter-demonstrators from the group “Cologne against Right-wingers”, local media said.

Shabani, the witness spoken to by the Guardian, said she had viewed the events from the cathedral steps, having gone to the city centre to experience her first German new year, eight months after arriving as a political asylum seeker from Iran. She said she had been astounded by the police’s nonchalance. “They seemed to just let it happen,” she said. “I watched as men fired large firecrackers horizontally into the crowd and they police just stood at the side of the square with their hands on their hips”.

Of the 31 people identified, nine were Algerian, eight Moroccan, five Iranian, four Syrian and two German, plus an Iraqi, a Serb and a US citizen.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/08/cologne-violence-suspects-include-asylum-seekers

[bdwker]

11. Oh c'mon.

Keep upsetting people.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Unpossible!

Can't be!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

13. I hope some people will be lining up to apologize

Calling DUers racist and overreacting when this story first broke.

Won't hold my breath.

[840high]

36. The denials and excuses

made me sick.

[FLPanhandle]

14. Anyone that needs a "class" to know that sexual assault is wrong shouldn't be allowed in.

Frankly, no young military aged male should be considered for asylum when there are still women and young children waiting.

Give them a rifle and let them fight ISIS.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

16. Why not just murder them and donate the free rifle direct to ISIS?

It would probably come to much the same thing.

Being young and male does not mean that your life is worthless.

[FLPanhandle]

17. Bullshit

Armies are made up of young men. It's their land and if ISIS is the pushing them out, then fight back.

[davidn3600]

27. Kind of hard when Russia is bombing the shit out of them on one hand...

...and then Assad killing them on the other side. And then ISIS sitting in the middle.

It's like they just throw down the gun and say, "fuck it." Wouldnt you?

[Jim Beard]

34. I would not want someone comming to my

country with a "fuck it" attitude.

[oberliner]

18. Who defends one's home country other than young males?

I'm not understanding who else you would think an army would need to be comprised of.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

19. Trained professional soldiers, of course.

Not just innocent civilians chosen at random, handed weapons they don't know how to use, and shoved out to serve as cannon fodder.

[Jim Beard]

25. My father was a soldier in WWII and he was no professional. Draft their asses

[smirkymonkey]

20. I can't understand what they were thinking letting in so many young, single men.

It just baffles me how they could think that this would not be a problem.

[smirkymonkey]

21. Hear, hear!

I mean, wtf. Do you really need a damn class to tell you that hurting other people is wrong? No, I'm sorry, these people are just flawed and broken and have no place in a civilized society.

[stone space]

29. That's disgusting. Are you an arms merchant?

[cpwm17]

22. What they did was criminal and wrong in any culture: Christian, Muslim, or any other.

They had a huge influx of young males, who unfortunately can sometimes come with a risk. The risks can obviously vary depending on where they are from.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Norway offers immigrants classes about how to treat women.

SANDNES, Norway — When he first arrived in Europe, Abdu Osman Kelifa, a Muslim asylum seeker from the Horn of Africa, was shocked to see women in skimpy clothes drinking alcohol and kissing in public. Back home, he said, only prostitutes do that, and in locally made movies couples “only hug but never kiss.”

Confused, Mr. Kelifa volunteered to take part in a pioneering and, in some quarters, controversial program that seeks to prevent sexual and other violence by helping male immigrants from societies that are largely segregated or in which women show neither flesh nor public affection to adapt to more open European societies.

Fearful of stigmatizing migrants as potential rapists and playing into the hands of anti-immigrant politicians, most European countries have avoided addressing the question of whether men arriving from more conservative societies might get the wrong idea once they move to places where it can seem as if anything goes.

But, with more than a million asylum seekers arriving in Europe this year, an increasing number of politicians and also some migrant activists now favor offering coaching in European sexual norms and social codes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html

[Jim Beard]

33. Excellent article & source

[B2G]

30. If they need classes on not sexually abusing women

They probably shouldn't have been let in in the first place.

[Jim Beard]

32. Mariel boatlift

MASSIVE IMMIGRATION DOES NOT WORK !!!

"""The Mariel boatlift was a mass emigration of Cubans, who departed from Cuba's Mariel Harbor for the United States between April 15 and October 31, 1980. The event was precipitated by a sharp downturn in the Cuban economy, which led to internal tensions on the island and a bid by approximately 10,000 Cubans to gain asylum in the Peruvian embassy.

The Cuban government subsequently announced that anyone who wanted to leave could do so, and an exodus by boat started shortly afterward. The exodus was organized by Cuban-Americans with the agreement of Cuban president Fidel Castro. The exodus started to have negative political implications for U.S. president Jimmy Carter when it was discovered that a number of the refugees had been released from Cuban jails and mental health facilities. The Mariel boatlift was ended by mutual agreement between the two governments involved, in late October 1980. By that point, as many as 125,000 Cubans had made the journey to Florida.""""