Law Enforcement Confirms Militiamen Are Free To Come and Go From Refuge

[MohRokTah]

Because coddling terrorists worked so well the last time.

Law Enforcement Confirms Militiamen Are Free To Come and Go From Refuge

Their supplies look to be dwindling and militia men who overtook the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon have pleaded with sympathizers to send food, but law enforcement tell TPM that the men are free to resupply on their own.

"Right now, they are allowed to come and grow as they want," says Bill Fugate, a spokesman for the Oregon State police.

Fugate says that to his knowledge, law enforcement are "not monitoring what they are doing."

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/militiamen-able-to-get-food-on-their-own

[brush]

1. WTF? This is almost incomprehensible. They've broken laws, sedition, and trespassing at least . . .

and they are allowed to come and go.

This is way past white privilege, this is acknowledgment of white supremacy — these terrorists are given free reign because of their skin color.

We all know what would happen if they were POC — correction — we all know what would already have happened in they were POC.

[randys1]

26. We are a RABIDLY racist country. Were these BLM folk they would all be dead already.

[Bettie]

29. To be fair

some might be in prison.

Nah, they'd all be dead.

[randys1]

36. Unless...wasn't there one AfAm in the group of assholes at the Nevada Bundy standoff?

I think there was, so he was safe.

So if you are Black and surround yourself with white racist assholes, you are safe.




Clarence....

[Bettie]

37. Plus, it gives the

assholes a reason to say "See, we're not racists....we have a black guy around here someplace!".

[LiberalArkie]

55. Let's hope that no Native Americans show up, they would be shot by either the police or

the militia or maybe both.

[7wo7rees]

2. Really maddening, preposterous!

I just keep thinking back to how harsh they (LE) were across the nation taking down all the Occupy camps in parks. WTF?

[CanonRay]

3. You're f'ing kidding me, right?

This is right? Please say it is...

[MohRokTah]

4. Nope, as far as law enforcement is concerned, these terorists have done nothing wrong.

This is systemic white supremacy.

[IDemo]

5. Just some good old boys, never meanin' no harm

[ryan_cats]

30. Are they

Are they the David Dukes of Hazzard?

[IDemo]

34. Thread winner

[drray23]

6. This is so frustrating.

Why the heck are they given a free pass. These people should be charged with trespassing and probably a zillion other things too. They should be marched to prison, not let go as they wish. It should be obvious to anybody that if you keep letting that kind of stuff slide, the extreme RW lunatics will feel emboldened and keep ratcheting it up until a real massacre happens.

[MohRokTah]

7. The groups that had denounced this are starting to come around and support it.

It's too late.

Coddling terrorists = more terrorism.

[Baitball Blogger]

42. Maybe the FBI is trying to figure out where the other terrorist cells are across the country?

[Takket]

8. HUH???

Okay... as much as I would love to see the place stormed and these thugs hauled out and given the good spanking they deserve....... I have to admit it is right to just NOT give them the platform they want, to go out in a blaze of glory like Waco. Let them sit there alone until they get bored and go on with their lives.... BUT, how in the world can they be allowed back in if they leave? and how is anyone leaving the property not arrested?????

I mean... if you are allowed to stay there, and come and go as you please.... doesn't that basically mean they own the place? Is it offical, is it just THEIRS now? No arrest, free to come and go.... that's what its like for anyone operating on their own land!

[patricia92243]

64. Using this situation of a guideline, there should be no more homeless people. All they have to

do is choose which building they want to take over. It is then theirs for as long as they want, and they are free to come and go as they please.

Wow! I think I'll choose which building I want. Or does it have to be a group of people (sarcasm)

[sufrommich]

9. Well they're white dudes,silly.

[BeyondGeography]

10. "Come and grow?"

[MohRokTah]

11. Looks to me like the state police have declared this a white man refuge.

Add as many more white terrorists as they want, nothing will happen.

Systemic White Supremacy.

[BeyondGeography]

16. He misspoke

in the Freudian manner.

[Brother Buzz]

23. Looks to me like the state police have no dog in this fight

That is, until they're asked to assist in some fashion, and it looks like the tight lipped Feds aren't talking with them.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. And yet the FBI is in charge, not the State Troopers.

So the protocols are being set by federal authorities. Anything that's being declared is being declared by the FBI.

[phantom power]

12. What about the rest of the public?

Do they get to actually use this public facility, in the way it is intended?

WTF???

[MohRokTah]

13. Rightwing white terrorist groups get to terrorize consequence free.

This is Murka.

[2naSalit]

22. The ONLY purpose I can see in this

lack of control of an illegal occupation of this type is that the rest of the sane citizens will get so pissed at these f'wads that we will shun them, their businesses and public shaming without end... maybe. But that won[t go far since the morons have their own welfare system and will protect these assholes from any consequences.

[annabanana]

38. No kidding.. The place belongs to you and me just as much as to them. .n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Anyone who doubts that there are two systems of justice

in this country needs to explain this shit. They might for example look at how native Americans with guns were dealt with at wounded knee in 1973.

[Vinca]

15. Imagine a band of black guys at the refuge.

I don't get it. I really don't get it.

[mercuryblues]

18. you want

to see a quick 180 by law enforcement. A band of armed black dudes should join them and their cause. PS bring the chips and dip.

[annabanana]

39. That would have to be a bunch of BRAVE brothers!

just sayin'

[GreatGazoo]

53. like this...

[libodem]

17. Effing Aholes

[randys1]

33. I know the list is photoshopped, but is that a pic of one of these brain surgeons?

[libodem]

41. Not sure

But it just grabbed me in the right way.

[csziggy]

47. Yes that is one of the terrorists

I think he either got kicked in the face by one of his cows or he went hunting with Dick Cheney.

[pokerfan]

51. Yeah, that's Ryan Bundy

Reminds me of Carl Spackler from Caddyshack...

[tblue37]

50. That is one of Bundy's sons, I believe. nt

[Number23]

58. Damn, what twisted soul needs Doritos AND Tostitos??!

Number 8 is entirely fitting though...

[libodem]

70. Uh huh

[2naSalit]

19. They should at least be

cut off and prosecuted for using their tax-funded welfare $$ for illegal purposes like anyone who trades SNAP benefits for drugs, etc. They should also lose all claims to citizenship in the US of A.

I don't like any of this and I see it turning into a civil war by summer if no action is taken soon. hey should at the very least have blocked the road and cut off all communication!!

I mean,

[Downwinder]

20. Let them pick up their own snacks.

[Oneironaut]

21. They're just a bunch of rednecks playing soldier in the woods.

They're not a threat to anyone. Eventually, they'll get tired of living there (I give them two weeks tops) and they'll go away.

[msongs]

24. Once again topmost management at the Feds defers to white people nt

[Arugula Latte]

25. ...

[cali]

27. appalling

[world wide wally]

28. Do they send in maid service too?

[KingCharlemagne]

31. Who the fuck is in charge of enforcing the law there? Who the fuck is in charge?? - nt

[Bluenorthwest]

44. The FBI is in charge at the scene.

On a regular day Harney County has a Sheriff, I think 2 deputies maybe 3. Burns has a head cop and two other cops. The county is larger than Vermont. It has about 7,400 people. Oregon State Police have about 400 officers for the entire State, the largest cities being hours away from Harney County. So 400, not all can be on duty all the time and most have to serve the State at large. How many can really go to Harney for the winter?
Oddly, this becomes a very strong demonstration of why a Federal Government comes in handy.

[KingCharlemagne]

48. No disagreement from me. I am expressing my

exasperation that the perps are able to move freely, rather than being placed under arrest for, at the least, trespassing.

[DefenseLawyer]

32. The people in the MOVE building in Philadelphia were free to come and go

until the police firebombed the building and killed everybody.

[SHRED]

40. Absolutely disgusting

[SHRED]

43. Why isn't law enforcement doing their job?

[Jim Beard]

45. I don't think that the Bundy clan are the brightest bulbs

I think the FBI wants us pissed so they can open carry all kinds of surveillance systems under their noses into the compound.
(Hopefully that is what it is)

[gratuitous]

46. Isn't that nice?

I'm not advocating for the feds to go into this happy camp guns a-blazing, but wouldn't it be nice if law enforcement offered the same courtesy, deference, and respect to other non-violent citizen protesters? I've read in other precincts of the internets that the feds don't want a repeat of what happened in the aftermath of Ruby Ridge: namely, the bombing - allegedly in retaliation - of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. So they're handling the folks in Harney County with kid gloves because they know from experience that the ideological compatriots of the Bundy Bunch are capable of acts of mass murder and terrorism as payment in kind for any heavy-handed tactics law enforcement uses.

Playing our favorite game of "let's suppose," Let's suppose that ideological compatriots of Occupy or Black Lives Matter were to set off a bomb that destroyed a federal building and blew a couple of hundred innocents to Kingdom Come; what do you suppose law enforcement's reaction to such an act of terrorism might be? Would law enforcement handle future demonstrations or protests with kid gloves like they do with the Bundy Bunch, or would there be ruthless suppression, complete with military armaments and weaponry, to cut down citizens in the streets?

Think, think.

[Fumesucker]

67. Bingo, it's the ideology

If the ranchers were left wingers this would already be over..

[cherokeeprogressive]

49. This guy is a spokesman for the State Police. Malheur Wildlife Refuge is administered by the Feds.

Would the State Police have jurisdiction? If not, why would they be monitoring anything?

[former9thward]

54. Obama has said it is a local law enforcement matter.

White House calls Oregon standoff a 'local law enforcement matter'

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/264673-white-house-calls-oregon-standoff-a-local-law-enforcement

[dilby]

60. That's nice, the local police don't have the money or man power.

So these guys can do what they want till the Fed's get involved.

[anigbrowl]

62. The FBI has offices in every state, as does the Attorney General

The US attorney for Oregon most likely told the local branch of the FBi to get on it. That's what he means by local. It's definitely federal jurisdiction, the only people who don't think so are the Bundy Bunch.

[former9thward]

69. No, Obama knows the difference between local and federal.

When he says local he means local. That is why the FBI is not there.

[Bluenorthwest]

71. The FBI is there, and they are in charge along with other Federal agencies. The local law

enforcement is about 6 guys. The nearest Federal courthouse to the location is 4.5 hours away. That is a remote county, larger than Vermont with a population a big over 7,000.

[former9thward]

72. I posted the link.

Obama says it is a local law enforcement matter. You may not like that but that is what he said.

[Bluenorthwest]

74. Full statement from Oregon Gov. Kate Brown:

“Although the FBI is the lead agency responding to the situation, my top priority is the safety of the people of Harney County and the City of Burns. The Oregon State Police has enhanced its presence in the area, augmenting local and federal public safety resources and assisting with community outreach. I look for a swift resolution that allows Harney County life to return to normal.”
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/npr-oregon-governor-wants-swift-resolution-in-harney-county/

[anigbrowl]

77. The FBI is there, it has been in multiple news reports

They're just keeping a low profile. I don't know how you could have missed this if you were reading any news articles on the topic. http://trofire.com/2016/01/07/fbi-says-oregon-militia-will-face-federal-charges/

[former9thward]

78. And I don't know how you are ignoring that Obama is saying

this is a local law enforcement matter.

[anigbrowl]

79. Because I take him to mean local in the geographic rather than jurisdictional sense.

I originally commented because you said the FBI were not involved, and you keep ignoring the news reports saying that they are and even quoting FBI officials. Do you think they are fictional or something, because Obama used the word 'local'?

[former9thward]

80. Dream world.

Anyone there there is free to come or leave as they choose. Do you think that would be he case if the FBI were in charge?

[ribrepin]

52. I think this is the right to deal with these douche bags

1. Feds are allowing ample time for like-minded pals to join them.

2. You have no media shots of heavily armed police guarding the perimeter and the media blaming the cops for keeping them back.

3. The media is free to walk right into the heavily armed camp and get interviews (see blue tarp man). I think the media will get sick of walking into that nut gathering quickly and not put their reports at risk

[Rex]

56. So in a way law enforcement is saying that it is okay to take over a federal building if you are

of the white, RWing anti-government armed to the teeth type? That is a pretty dangerous message to send out imo.

[Odin2005]

57. If these fuckers were brown or black they would be dead by now.

White privilege, folks.

[anigbrowl]

63. I'm not so sure about. Native Americans occupied Alcatraz for 19 months in the 1970s.

When there's been no violence and no lives at stake there is not such a big hurry to shoot it out. I initially had the exact same thought as you but when I went to look up examples I was surprised to find that these things usually unfold slowlyregardless of who's involved or whether it ends peacefully or not.

[dilby]

59. This is a Federal Problem not a State Problem.

The county these guys are in doesn't have the money or resources to have state or local police dealing with these guys. The Federal Government can fund the necessary force to deal with these guys.

[Liberal_in_LA]

61. Wow

[B Calm]

65. Unbelievable. Are the terrorists armed to the teeth in town too?

[Lee-Lee]

66. Smart way to handle it- it has to be infuriating to start a standoff and nobody cares

What these idiots want is a standoff, tension and the publicity.

Now they went and did the "takeover" that was of empty buildings and nobody cared enough to respond. Its like ignoring a petulant child throwing a tantrum and not giving them the response they crave.

Rest assured that there are lots of assets in place keeping tabs on them. You can bet they are monitoring every form of electronic communication in and out of the place, gathering intel and forming plans as to when and how to arrest them.

[steve2470]

73. good post! nt

[B Calm]

68. I don't understand why they are upset. Are they upset the government took land away

from Indians?

[spanone]

75. so the law only applies to some. got it.

this is infuriating.

[tabasco]

76. Right-wing freikorps now allowed in U.S. n/t