Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:53 AM

Sexual assaults on New Year's Eve in Germany

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

The scale of the attacks on women at the city's central train station has shocked Germany. About 1,000 drunk and aggressive young men were involved.

City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said.

Women were also targeted in Hamburg.

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The people in Europe are going to revolt if their leaders don't get a handle on their immigration problem. Letting in so many young men - many with extreme sexist and misogynist views about women - nothing to do, no jobs....UGH These guys need classes in modern culture and the rule of law asap!

With an ocean separating the U.S., we're able to vet our refugees and prioritize families with children. Thankfully!

Also, http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html?_r=0

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Sexual assaults on New Year's Eve in Germany (Original post)	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jan 2016	OP
"But the police have also insisted that many of the men had been known to them for some time and	pampango	Jan 2016	#1
Ummm	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jan 2016	#3
Maybe we need to figure out how to integrate males into society?	LanternWaste	Jan 2016	#4
So you are into collective punishments. Germany, it's always had men. It's never had rape gangs	Bluenorthwest	Jan 2016	#20
Really? So, they were committed based on skin color?	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jan 2016	#23
You have GOT to be kidding me.	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#27
Nice try	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2016	#34
Yeah no	LittleBlue	Jan 2016	#58
?	jack_krass	Jan 2016	#69
"Germany has to figure out how to integrate them into society."	nomorenomore08	Jan 2016	#83
Unfortunately, I don't think they want to integrate into Western society.	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#85
Who doesn't want to? All of them? If nothing else, that's a huge sweeping generalization.	nomorenomore08	Jan 2016	#92
Considering that the police chief in Cologne	kiva	Jan 2016	#32
Thanks for adding that bit of info/context	Number23	Jan 2016	#70
According to FAZ, there were also attacks in Stuttgart and Hamburg.	Yo_Mama	Jan 2016	#2
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2016	#5
Why would you think it's not getting alot of attention?	Cali_Democrat	Jan 2016	#6
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2016	#7
When you said "here", I thought you were referring to the United States.	Cali_Democrat	Jan 2016	#8
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2016	#9
Some DUers are reluctant to criticize certain categories	Ex Lurker	Jan 2016	#10
Well, it's a terrible thing.	lovemydog	Jan 2016	#11
These trolls don't give a damn about the victims	RandiFan1290	Jan 2016	#12
Sexual assault is a serious issue	oberliner	Jan 2016	#14
Or perhaps some of us are sick of sexist, misogynist	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jan 2016	#22
Well said!	underahedgerow	Jan 2016	#49
Also interesting that the mayor of Cologne slut shaming the victims gets a pass on DU	Ex Lurker	Jan 2016	#54
Oh - she's not getting a pass	leftynyc	Jan 2016	#56
I'd argue that idiot had been vilified here more than supported.	Lizzie Poppet	Jan 2016	#60
+1000	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#74
But some of those large threads have a lot of simple responses	The2ndWheel	Jan 2016	#16
Exactly! Some people refuse to acknowledge that certain cultures have	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#30
Two of the top LBN threads are about this topic with many responses	oberliner	Jan 2016	#13
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2016	#15
I think there have been a couple of threads	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2016	#35
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2016	#61
I have a theory that may explain some of that.	Puzzledtraveller	Jan 2016	#52
Islam has a free pass among progressives	davidn3600	Jan 2016	#17
I don't understand why more	leftynyc	Jan 2016	#19
KnR to the thread and this post	GummyBearz	Jan 2016	#21
Prepare to be called a racist	Democat	Jan 2016	#24
Like I said	leftynyc	Jan 2016	#25
Yep.	Lizzie Poppet	Jan 2016	#40
LOL	leftynyc	Jan 2016	#51
Hear, hear!	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#75
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼	katsy	Jan 2016	#81
To some extent I agree with you,	lovemydog	Jan 2016	#59
No, the racism is assuming they're migrants when the authorities explicitly say they are not.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#26
To the best of my knowledge, the authorities explicitly stated they weren't refugees...	Lizzie Poppet	Jan 2016	#39
Some people	Puzzledtraveller	Jan 2016	#53
You are blaming a religion	philosslayer	Jan 2016	#88
Being agnostic, I am not a fan of any organized religion	davidn3600	Jan 2016	#89
There's a post in LBN	leftynyc	Jan 2016	#18
In my particular case, I'm a bit leery of a story	jeff47	Jan 2016	#29
I'm sure all of those women who complained of assult are lying,	kiva	Jan 2016	#33
Not what I said, but thanks for the hyperbole.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#42
The police chief of Cologne was dishonest about what happened	kiva	Jan 2016	#57
Keep the Mexicans....er....Syrians out!!!!	jeff47	Jan 2016	#63
Sacrifice the women!!!! (borrowing some of your exclamation points)	kiva	Jan 2016	#68
I don't think they're migrants or refugees	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2016	#37
And many physical descriptions turn out to be wrong.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#45
Yeah but...	davidn3600	Jan 2016	#50
I sometimes wonder if the second generation muslims already in the country aren't doing	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#77
So do you think the 90+ women who reported	B2G	Jan 2016	#38
Nope. I think the claims that it's all refugees and they must all be sent back are wrong.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#43
BBC story...	GummyBearz	Jan 2016	#41
And multiple stories after that claimed this is was a lie.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#44
After the mayor basically slut shamed the victims, I don't trust anything she says NT	Ex Lurker	Jan 2016	#55
Great, now you just have to come up with a reason to ignore about 5 other officials. (nt)	jeff47	Jan 2016	#64
But it is THEIR country	davidn3600	Jan 2016	#46
And it very well may be THEIR rapists.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#47
And be ready to accept Islam	davidn3600	Jan 2016	#48
:facepalm:	jeff47	Jan 2016	#62
I operate under the belief that organized religion tends to treat women poorly	davidn3600	Jan 2016	#66
Problem is, you seem to assume all (or nearly all) Muslims are culturally backward, and perhaps	nomorenomore08	Jan 2016	#82
We are not talking about liberal Muslims here looking for skilled opportunity	davidn3600	Jan 2016	#87
Any refugees who commit serious crimes should be imprisoned and then deported. Full stop.	nomorenomore08	Jan 2016	#91
Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen. Ever.	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#86
Is that a disingenuous question?	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2016	#31
And there's no shortage of those out in the media, only a certain percentage of which are likely	nomorenomore08	Jan 2016	#84
This is a bloody shirt for Islamophobes	mwrguy	Jan 2016	#28
What should the response from the left be?	oberliner	Jan 2016	#65
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2016	#67
That's an interesting question.	lovemydog	Jan 2016	#71
I sympathize with the concern that Muslims/refugees as a group will be blamed for this.	nomorenomore08	Jan 2016	#79
"even if it turns out to be totally exaggerated."	Nuclear Unicorn	Jan 2016	#90
glad to see that this is getting some attention	niyad	Jan 2016	#36
Here's a new BBC article on it:	lovemydog	Jan 2016	#72
Thanks for posting.	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jan 2016	#73
Won't do any good	melman	Jan 2016	#76
What cowards to go after defenseless women. Why don't they go after the	smirkymonkey	Jan 2016	#78
I agree, what a bunch of cowardly creeps. Whatever else they may be, that seems most important.	nomorenomore08	Jan 2016	#80

Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:45 AM

pampango (24,691 posts)

1. "But the police have also insisted that many of the men had been known to them for some time and

that they were not a group of newly-arrived refugees."

http://www.thelocal.de/20160104/refugees-blamed-for-mass-sexual-assault-in-cologne

Sexual assaults on New Year's Eve in Germany

1. "But the police have also insisted that many of the men had been known to them for some time and

3. Ummm

4. Maybe we need to figure out how to integrate males into society?

20. So you are into collective punishments. Germany, it's always had men. It's never had rape gangs

23. Really? So, they were committed based on skin color?

27. You have GOT to be kidding me.

34. Nice try

58. Yeah no

69. ?

83. "Germany has to figure out how to integrate them into society."

85. Unfortunately, I don't think they want to integrate into Western society.

92. Who doesn't want to? *All* of them? If nothing else, that's a huge sweeping generalization.

32. Considering that the police chief in Cologne

70. Thanks for adding that bit of info/context

2. According to FAZ, there were also attacks in Stuttgart and Hamburg.

6. Why would you think it's not getting alot of attention?

8. When you said "here", I thought you were referring to the United States.

10. Some DUers are reluctant to criticize certain categories

11. Well, it's a terrible thing.

12. These trolls don't give a damn about the victims

14. Sexual assault is a serious issue

22. Or perhaps some of us are sick of sexist, misogynist

49. Well said!

54. Also interesting that the mayor of Cologne slut shaming the victims gets a pass on DU

56. Oh - she's not getting a pass

60. I'd argue that idiot had been vilified here more than supported.

74. +1000

16. But some of those large threads have a lot of simple responses

30. Exactly! Some people refuse to acknowledge that certain cultures have

13. Two of the top LBN threads are about this topic with many responses

35. I think there have been a couple of threads

52. I have a theory that may explain some of that.

17. Islam has a free pass among progressives

19. I don't understand why more

21. KnR to the thread and this post

24. Prepare to be called a racist

25. Like I said

40. Yep.

51. LOL

75. Hear, hear!

81. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

59. To some extent I agree with you,

26. No, the racism is assuming they're migrants when the authorities explicitly say they are not.

39. To the best of my knowledge, the authorities explicitly stated they weren't refugees...

53. Some people

88. You are blaming a religion

89. Being agnostic, I am not a fan of any organized religion

18. There's a post in LBN

29. In my particular case, I'm a bit leery of a story

33. I'm sure all of those women who complained of assult are lying,

42. Not what I said, but thanks for the hyperbole.

57. The police chief of Cologne was dishonest about what happened

63. Keep the Mexicans....er....Syrians out!!!!

68. Sacrifice the women!!!! (borrowing some of your exclamation points)

37. I don't think they're migrants or refugees

45. And many physical descriptions turn out to be wrong.

50. Yeah but...

77. I sometimes wonder if the second generation muslims already in the country aren't doing

38. So do you think the 90+ women who reported

43. Nope. I think the claims that it's all refugees and they must all be sent back are wrong.

41. BBC story...

44. And multiple stories after that claimed this is was a lie.

55. After the mayor basically slut shamed the victims, I don't trust anything she says NT

64. Great, now you just have to come up with a reason to ignore about 5 other officials. (nt)

46. But it is THEIR country

47. And it very well may be THEIR rapists.

48. And be ready to accept Islam

62. :facepalm:

66. I operate under the belief that organized religion tends to treat women poorly

82. Problem is, you seem to assume all (or nearly all) Muslims are culturally backward, and perhaps

87. We are not talking about liberal Muslims here looking for skilled opportunity

91. Any refugees who commit serious crimes should be imprisoned and then deported. Full stop.

86. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen. Ever.

31. Is that a disingenuous question?

84. And there's no shortage of those out in the media, only a certain percentage of which are likely

28. This is a bloody shirt for Islamophobes

65. What should the response from the left be?

71. That's an interesting question.

79. I sympathize with the concern that Muslims/refugees as a group will be blamed for this.

92. Who doesn't want to? All of them? If nothing else, that's a huge sweeping generalization.