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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:34 PM Jan 2016

Brain Scans Reveal What Dogs Really Think of Us

http://mic.com/articles/104474/brain-scans-reveal-what-dogs-really-think-of-us#.1SIiqM7Sy



In the 30,000 years humans and dogs have lived together, man's best friend has only become a more popular and beloved pet. Today, dogs are a fixture in almost 50% of American households.

From the way dogs thump their tails, invade our laps and steal our pillows, it certainly seems like they love us back. But since dogs can't tell us what's going on inside their furry heads, can we ever be sure?

Actually, yes. Thanks to recent developments in brain imaging technology, we're starting to get a better picture of the happenings inside the canine cranium.

That's right — scientists are actually studying the dog brains. And what the studies show is welcome news for all dog owners: Not only do dogs seem to love us back, they actually see us as their family. It turns out that dogs rely on humans more than they do their own kind for affection, protection and everything in between.

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Brain Scans Reveal What Dogs Really Think of Us (Original Post) steve2470 Jan 2016 OP
Dogs save human lives every day and add immeasurable joy as companions. tabasco Jan 2016 #1
"Should be treated that way" Exactly. Duppers Jan 2016 #21
I have become a dog person in middle age. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #2
Interesting studies! Chemisse Jan 2016 #3
They'd have to use CAT scans for that. Laffy Kat Jan 2016 #63
Haha! n/t Chemisse Jan 2016 #73
Brain scans of cats to follow? Sanity Claws Jan 2016 #4
Don't need a brain scan Yavin4 Jan 2016 #7
Best laugh of the day! n/t Paper Roses Jan 2016 #12
Too funny! vkkv Jan 2016 #17
Thanks for that passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #18
Oh jeez randys1 Jan 2016 #29
Kitty giving the finger. Too funny. cali Jan 2016 #37
You win the thread malaise Jan 2016 #40
Tortietude! I know it well Warpy Jan 2016 #41
This is so funny! nt Depaysement Jan 2016 #49
LOL! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #59
LOL! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #60
Heh! flying rabbit Jan 2016 #69
Catscans. kairos12 Jan 2016 #8
Cat: "Scan this..." FailureToCommunicate Jan 2016 #11
Love this thread. Love dogs & cats too! n/t Paper Roses Jan 2016 #15
it'd be a mirror? n/t zazen Jan 2016 #23
First you've got to get the cat into the scanner... hunter Jan 2016 #24
I actually propose parrrots nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #25
Anyone who's owned a dog won't be surprised by this. drm604 Jan 2016 #5
This is not a surprise to dog owners. Sissyk Jan 2016 #6
I could have saved them some money. nt Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #9
They had to do a study? Rebkeh Jan 2016 #10
I LOVE my dog etherealtruth Jan 2016 #13
Durn!!! chervilant Jan 2016 #14
Thank you! ______________ n/t vkkv Jan 2016 #16
I would reword this passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #19
And who can blame us? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #36
This edhopper Jan 2016 #20
Or this NobodyHere Jan 2016 #30
Look at that pic!!!! Love on 4 feet times 10! Punkingal Jan 2016 #22
... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #26
Lol. And that's why I'm a dog person cali Jan 2016 #35
And that's why I'm a cat person. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #85
Dogs vs. Cats. Raster Jan 2016 #50
Putting in all those Golden Retrievers and Shelties stacked the deck! csziggy Jan 2016 #27
That's what I thought! tazkcmo Jan 2016 #34
Of course, the photo is probably staged csziggy Jan 2016 #42
If you decide you really want one tazkcmo Jan 2016 #43
Thats what I did. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #54
If I am meant to own a dog it will find me csziggy Jan 2016 #58
Those where the subjects (Goldies and Border Collies) exboyfil Jan 2016 #77
Too many of the small breeds are hyper csziggy Jan 2016 #79
Sorry to hear about your family troubles exboyfil Jan 2016 #81
Thank you csziggy Jan 2016 #82
Actually I think they are Border Collies, probably the most intelligent smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #62
from my cursory google images search, you appear to be correct! nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #65
Yeah - I realized in one of my other messages they were probably border collies csziggy Jan 2016 #66
LOL! That's true! The retrievers aren't always that bright but they smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #72
Hooray for dogs tularetom Jan 2016 #28
This reminds me bvf Jan 2016 #39
"The Hunt" .... my favorite episode ever etherealtruth Jan 2016 #48
That one has Delphinus Jan 2016 #56
Wish I could rec this tazkcmo Jan 2016 #44
Human emotions tazkcmo Jan 2016 #31
Of course they do. I love, love love dogs. cali Jan 2016 #32
Adoptions tazkcmo Jan 2016 #45
So happy to hear that, cali dorkzilla Jan 2016 #76
That's because dogs respect humans, they're just looking for "good times" with other dogs and then Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #33
Probably unfair, but... bvf Jan 2016 #38
I can tell you what they are thinking. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #46
Didn't need a scientist to know that liberal N proud Jan 2016 #47
S'cuse me? We've known this for a long time. trof Jan 2016 #51
I read a quote once Skittles Jan 2016 #70
Check out Brandon's training techniques on LUCKY DOG. He's a genius. proverbialwisdom Jan 2016 #80
Knew it! sinkingfeeling Jan 2016 #52
Our dogs have always given us endless love, and we have reciprocated. They were RKP5637 Jan 2016 #53
They're smart and understand politics too. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #55
I've always said I don't trust anyone who doesn't like four legged barking fur people Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #57
Pet scan. Orrex Jan 2016 #61
My boy and girl have made that clear already IDemo Jan 2016 #64
They must not be testing huskies SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #67
Dogs are really like 2 year olds... Gloria Jan 2016 #68
One of my dogs is in the hospital right now a la izquierda Jan 2016 #71
oh no! shanti Jan 2016 #74
Got him home this afternoon. a la izquierda Jan 2016 #75
Same photo in tweet by Dr. Martha Herbert in 2014 with link to Wired Magazine article. proverbialwisdom Jan 2016 #78
Think? 1… Eat. 2… Play. 3.Sleep. 4. Scratch. Repeat. lindysalsagal Jan 2016 #83
There's a sentence in the article which I doubt Gods Slayer Jan 2016 #84
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
1. Dogs save human lives every day and add immeasurable joy as companions.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

They have earned a special status as partners with humans and should be treated that way.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
21. "Should be treated that way" Exactly.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jan 2016

Why do Asian cultures, for the most part, not understand this?

Chemisse

(30,802 posts)
3. Interesting studies!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016

It'd be funny to see how cats fare in the brain scans. Is there are neural pathway for indifference?

Sanity Claws

(21,834 posts)
4. Brain scans of cats to follow?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016

Argument about what those brain scans would show in The Lounge? Who'll start?

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
41. Tortietude! I know it well
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jan 2016

Studies of cats are ongoing. Factoid, cats only meow to humans. In the wild, they have a large vocabulary of purrs, growls, hisses, chirrups, and squeaks, but no meows. They really do seem to be trying to talk to us. No hyoid bone, though, so they're SOL.

hunter

(38,299 posts)
24. First you've got to get the cat into the scanner...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jan 2016

...probably about as much fun as giving a cat a bath.

And once you do, they will be hating you.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
5. Anyone who's owned a dog won't be surprised by this.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

They demonstrate obvious affection and crave attention from humans.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
6. This is not a surprise to dog owners.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jan 2016

It's always good to use Science to prove us right, too! lol!

I can tell when my Sweet Lady is smiling and when it's gas.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
19. I would reword this
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jan 2016
Not only do humans seem to love dogs back, they actually see them as their family. It turns out that humans rely on dogs more than they do their own kind for affection, protection and everything in between.


For many of us, this is true!

Raster

(20,997 posts)
50. Dogs vs. Cats.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016
DOG DIARY

8:00 AM - Dog food! My favorite thing!
9:30 AM - A car ride! My favorite thing!
9:40 AM - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!
10:30 AM - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!
12:00 PM - Lunch! My favorite thing!
1:00 PM - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!
3:00 PM - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!
5:00 PM - Milk bones! My favorite thing!
7:00 PM - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!
8:00 PM - Wow! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing!
11:00 PM - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!

CAT DIARY

Day 983 of my captivity!
My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength. The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape.

In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet. I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a 'good little hunter' I am. The sick bastards!

There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of 'allergies'. I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow - but at the top of the stairs.

I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released - and seems to be more than willing to return. He obviously has issues. The bird must be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe. For now ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/21/joke-cat-vs-dog----war-of_n_1534447.html

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
27. Putting in all those Golden Retrievers and Shelties stacked the deck!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

Those breeds are so loving and lovable of course they would get those results.

tazkcmo

(7,298 posts)
34. That's what I thought!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

My first reaction was, "Well, they've gone and got two of the smartest and loyal breeds out there!". Can't say that I blame them, though. Getting a Jack Russell to lay still long enough for an MRI would be a task to challenge the patience of Mother Teresa.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
42. Of course, the photo is probably staged
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jan 2016

And those were dogs they could borrow to pose on the equipment.

I've been almost tempted to adopt a dog - it would force me to get out and move around. But all that show up in the shelters in this are are pit bull crosses, itty bitty breeds such as chihuahuas, or hyper active ones such as Jack Russell terriers. While they may be perfectly good dogs, the breeds tend to have personalities that I have never liked.

Oh well - they are probably saving me from myself. When I had to put my last dog to sleep in 1999 at the age of 17 I thought about it long and hard and decided I would have no more dogs. I think it was a good decision though I miss having a dog. My cat will have to substitute!

tazkcmo

(7,298 posts)
43. If you decide you really want one
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jan 2016

Look for specific rescue operations for the breed you like. I've been lucky to find two great Labradors from a local Lab rescue operation in KC.

I understand your reluctance. It's so painful to say goodbye to a loved one, dog or human, and the damned dog just doesn't live long enough! I'm currently still getting over the death of my last best friend but will be getting a new best friend in the spring/summer. I'm happy for you and the cat, though!

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
54. Thats what I did.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

I'm partial to Retrievers. So, when our last two, that we had for 13 years passed, I found the Florida All Retriever Rescue, that rescued different retrievers from around the Southeast.

We found a 12 week old female Lab-Springer mix that we brought home, and a year later found a male, 10 week old Lab-Golden mix.

That was 6 and 5 years ago. Most lovable, affectionate dogs you can find. When they're not extorting Frosty Paws from us every night. They know when it's time.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
58. If I am meant to own a dog it will find me
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jan 2016

That has been true all my life. My first dog was one my Dad found lost in the woods. Out of the four of us girls he claimed me as his person.

My last dog, I found on the side of a highway living off road kill. He was about three to four months old and from the very first day he knew he had it made. He appreciated the good life for all the years he lived with us. He was probably part Catahoula - he loved to herd the horses and taught himself to be a header since the heels were the dangerous end.

My best dogs have been medium size, about the size of those shelties (or are they border collies?). While we were running the farm a herding bred dog was perfect. These days one of those would go stir crazy since it wouldn't have a job.

These days a cat fits my life style. My current cat is fourteen. We will probably travel a few years once he's gone then get two cats that get along when we give up traveling. I won't mind older cats - so long as they are already used to each other. I figure I'll be in my seventies before I adopt any new kitties so older will be better!

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
77. Those where the subjects (Goldies and Border Collies)
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

Both breeds are easy to train but are very different (both are great dog breeds in their own way). They were trained to stay in the scanner.

It is too bad you can't find a small dog which you like. My mom was so fortunate to find her "Baby Doll". A chihuahua mix but without the chihuahua aggression. It is simply a perfect dog for her. She got it soon after my dad (her husband) passed away.

Our family is a herding dog family (a BC and a Sheltie/Aussie mix). Simply love Goldies as well, but have not been around them much. My BC acts a lot like a Goldie.

Here is a different article about the scan.
http://www.wired.com/2014/02/dog-brains-vocal-processing/

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
79. Too many of the small breeds are hyper
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

At least the individuals I've met. My sister had a Chihuahua when we were kids that was not as hyper and sensitive as the others of the breed I've seen since. Of course that was over fifty years ago and the purebreds often are bred to the point of uselessness.

Mom had a long haired Daschund for a few years. She found it at a rest stop on the interstate. He was a sweetheart but he was not a good fit for my Dad so she gave it to a kid who loved him for many years.

Around here the small breeds tend to be Jack Russell terriers - far too hyper and overactive for my personality. The small shelter dog I'd be tempted by is a Dachshund / Italian Greyhound cross - she looks like a Daschund on stilts. But the Italian Greyhound is a site hunter and if she inherited that trait she'd drive me nuts going after squirrels. Of course, I would no longer have to worry about squirrels eating all my birdseed.

Here is her page: http://www.lchs.info/dogs/#action_0=pet&animalID_0=9499855&petIndex_0=1

Part of her appeal is her color. My old Catahoula mutt was a blue merle, about the same color as Bella.

Right now is not a good time to adopt a new pet. My MIL went in the hospital Friday and we still don't know if she will come out alive. She's essentially on life support - intubated with a feeding tube. Otherwise I'd be really tempted to go meet Bella.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
82. Thank you
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jan 2016

MIL is 87. While her body is going her mind is good. My Mom is 94. Her body is great but her mind is slipping. I'm not sure which way I want to go when it's my time.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
62. Actually I think they are Border Collies, probably the most intelligent
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jan 2016

breed there is. I love them all, but I am definitely more of a Retriever person.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
66. Yeah - I realized in one of my other messages they were probably border collies
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:33 PM
Jan 2016

I like retrievers but when I was running the farm the herding dogs won my heart. My last dog was probably Catahoula leopard dog mixed with Lab and he taught himself to herd the horses.

My next to last dog was a Golden Retriever that one of my clients gave me. While the Golden was a sweetheart he was one of the dumbest dogs I've ever met. He lived to play fetch and wasn't happy unless he got at least a half hour of fetch playing a day.

The other dog fetched a stick once. My husband threw the stick, the Catahoula brought it back, my husband threw it again and the dog was disgusted. You could see him thinking "I brought the stick back for. WTF! Go get it yourself." He'd sit and watch the Golden fetch and just be aghast. On the other hand, the Golden was afraid of the horses and would cower behind us as the Catahoula worked them, moving them from the pastures into the barn and back at feeding time.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
72. LOL! That's true! The retrievers aren't always that bright but they
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jan 2016

are so sweet and affectionate. My family has always had Labs and Goldens and they are relentless with the fetch thing. They could do it 24/7. The thing that drives me crazy is when they want to keep playing fetch, but they don't want to give you the stick or ball back, they want you to play a game of getting it back out of their mouth. They are pretty funny though.

However the herding dogs are so much brighter it seems.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
39. This reminds me
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jan 2016

of a Twilight Zone episode. Oldsters will know.

And if Will Rogers truly said that, that's just another reason to like him.

tazkcmo

(7,298 posts)
31. Human emotions
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jan 2016

I'm no scientist but I have a theory about dog's picking up on our moods. Besides the audio cues and body language, I suspect that dogs can actually smell the chemical reactions that comprise our emotions and there fore are able to "understand" how we feel.
I have always had a dog in my life, from childhood to now, although I currently do not have a dog but will be getting another this spring/summer. Anyway, all my dogs have been able to tell when I'm sad (not angry) or depressed even in the absence of tears or sobbing. They've all reacted appropriately by quietly snuggling or "kissing". No excitement, bringing of toys or other such behavior, just a seeming desire to comfort me. By the way, it always helped. Love to see a study exploring this.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
32. Of course they do. I love, love love dogs.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jan 2016

I just adopted a pit bull who was horribly abused and yet he is the loveliest guy and he has no aggressive history. He is very needy however. He's swiftly become my shadow.

tazkcmo

(7,298 posts)
45. Adoptions
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

I've adopted my last 2 Labs and they also shadowed me which I was fine with. I think they're paranoid and rightfully so.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
76. So happy to hear that, cali
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jan 2016

About 3 years ago on adopted a pit, frightened little girl some assholes were using as bait. She is the sweetest, smartest (seriously right up there with Border Collies), funniest dogs I've ever had, and she's such an ambassador for the breed that friends have likewise adopted pits because they love her so much. Every one of my friend's pits is as good as gold. Shame they have such an awful reputation.

Uncle Joe

(58,255 posts)
33. That's because dogs respect humans, they're just looking for "good times" with other dogs and then
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jan 2016

they come to regret it.




Thanks for the thread, steve.
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
38. Probably unfair, but...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016
?w=652

And I post this as a lifelong and devoted dog-lover, who has always understood what the research cited by the OP purports to demonstrate.


 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
46. I can tell you what they are thinking.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jan 2016

They are thinking

GET ME THE HE'LL OUT OF THIS DAMN BRAIN SCANNING MACHINE!!!!!


trof

(54,256 posts)
51. S'cuse me? We've known this for a long time.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jan 2016

Dogs (like wolves, their ancestors) are PACK animals. It's genetically ingrained in the animal. When a dog joins you or your family, you become their pack.

Rule 1 - The pack sleeps together.
At the very least in the same room. In the same bed is better.

Rue 2 - There WILL be an Alpha. It had better be you, not the dog.

Rule 3 - To discipline a puppy, roll him on his back, belly up, feet in the air, hand on his chest, and yell at him. BAD DOG! NO! BAD DOG!
He is defenseless.
That's how his mom disciplines him.
Without the verbals. Just growls.
You could try the growls.

Rule 4 - Get a copy of "How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend" by the monks of New Skete.
Look it up.

Skittles

(153,103 posts)
70. I read a quote once
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:23 AM
Jan 2016

"Dogs are the only animals on earth born with a love of humans in their DNA"

RKP5637

(67,078 posts)
53. Our dogs have always given us endless love, and we have reciprocated. They were
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jan 2016

always one of the family, just like a child, parent, relative and friends. Our kitties have done the same too!

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
75. Got him home this afternoon.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jan 2016

He is not the same and I'm not sure how much time I'll have left with him. But at least he's home, where he belongs.

lindysalsagal

(20,547 posts)
83. Think? 1… Eat. 2… Play. 3.Sleep. 4. Scratch. Repeat.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

"Dogs think they're people. Cats think they're god."

 

Gods Slayer

(52 posts)
84. There's a sentence in the article which I doubt
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jan 2016
Dogs are also the only non-primate animal to look people in the eyes.

Well, one of my cats frequently looks at me in the eye.

This article is doggy-centric
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