Didn't Trump the Chump say that Dumbya Bush crated ISIS

[malaise]

So how come now it's Hillary and Obama??

[EdwardBernays]

1. It's pedantic

To care about which American or Americans created ISIS or Al Qaeda.

You should care less about the party and more about the fact that America either created or funds some of the worst groups on the planet.

[2pooped2pop]

3. I think it is important which party and which assholes has a hand in making the world a disaster

I guess that's just me.

[EdwardBernays]

4. They both are

And have been for decades.

Hillary has threatened to nuke Iran and Sheldon Adelson has pitched it as diplomacy. Both sides are behind shit like the war crimes being committed by US military in Yemen now and both sides have been giving the CIA free reign to topple democratically elected leaders, fund terrorists and suppress civilians for decades.

One side is better for the poor and minorities in America, but outside of America it makes very little difference who's in control.

Here's what Jimmy Carter did for the Afghans:

"In fact, the CIA had been backing Afghan Islamists well before the Russians invaded the country in December 1979. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter’s national-security adviser, later boasted to Le Nouvel Observateur that the president had “signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul” six monthsprior to the invasion. “And that very day,” Brzezinski recalled, “I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.” The war that inevitably followed killed a million Afghans."

That's from this month's Harpers. That right Carter was the beginning of Al Qaeda. And probably caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of women and children. He also caused untold harm in Iran and was planning another coup there.

And on and on.

Pretending Democrats are better at foreign policy is delusional. Both are beholden to the CIA and secret economic arrangements with foreign leaders.

[2pooped2pop]

5. Yes and whoever on either side needs to be called out.

All of them. And I certainly hope that they eventually get more than my hopes for them burning in hell.

[EdwardBernays]

6. It's the entire history of America

From the genocide of Native Americans to slavery to the KKK the 1%. It's the military repeatedly performing illegal medical tests on the public. It's the sterilisation of the poor and minorities by the government. For decades.

It's illegal wars that kill hundreds of thousands.

Illegal coups.

That's America.

And it goes on as we speak. Under Obama. And will continue under Clinton.

If we're lucky she won't nuke Iran like she's threatened to do.

[spanone]

2. he lies.

[LittleBlue]

7. He flings poo at a wall and hopes something sticks

In the soundbite era of information overload, some will fall for it.