Donate, don't donate, whatever, just hold your babies tight. There are no good guys with guns.

[Ed Suspicious]

There are only potential bad guys. I'm convinced of this. People, guns or not, are ticking time bombs. Most of them don't have the magical confluence of means, motive, and opportunity, but I seriously believe the anyone could be a bad day, year, life, moment away from becoming human tragedy. Fuck.

https://www.gofundme.com/skylarmonroe

[NobodyHere]

1. We better letter Obama know then

He and his family are surrounded by potential bad guys called the Secret Service.

[Ed Suspicious]

3. They are. Potentially.

[hughee99]

69. He already knows. He's one of those potential bad guys.

[vkkv]

123. Nice looking over-under!

Looks like a Browning Citori to me.

[CTyankee]

132. On a closed off range, no danger to innocent people, correctly wearing ear protection

and, I presume, correctly trained in target shooting and gun safety precautions. So I'm good...

[Skittles]

2. gun humpers have won

they are more upset by penis analogies than by tragedies

[RKP5637]

4. Now they can display their cocks in public! FFS, where is the US headed. I see this as

indicative of a deteriorating civilization.

[Skittles]

21. yup

people who worship guns are pathetic

[ryan_cats]

70. And

And people frightened by inanimate objects?

[Hoyt]

80. It's the yahoos with the inanimate compensator that are a concern. Anyone who needs a gun to walk

down the street is irrational. Sorry.

[GGJohn]

82. inanimate compensator?

New material Hoyt?

[Skittles]

121. LOL

I can see you coming a mile away

OVER AND OUT

[Eleanors38]

134. Oh Boy! A slumber lumber side-thread!

[vkkv]

118. And gun owners who commit suicide by gun?

Are they pathetic in the same way, by YOUR OWN SPECIAL definition, Skit?

pa·thet·ic
adjective
adjective: pathetic

1.
arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.
"she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her"
synonyms: pitiful, pitiable, piteous, moving, touching, poignant, plaintive, distressing, upsetting, heartbreaking, heart-rending, harrowing, wretched, forlorn
"a pathetic groan"
informal
miserably inadequate.
"his test scores in Chemistry were pathetic"
synonyms: feeble, woeful, sorry, poor, pitiful, lamentable, deplorable, contemptible, inadequate, paltry, insufficient, unsatisfactory
"a pathetic excuse"
2.
archaic
relating to the emotions.

[RKP5637]

62. No, that one did it! n/t

[Arugula Latte]

5. You are so right, Skittles.

Damn.

[hack89]

32. And you are more fixated on gun owners dicks

Than you are on finding common ground and common solutions.
You took yourself out of the game - don't blame your political impotence on gun owners.

[pablo_marmol]

38. Spot on!

Always with the slurs, misinformation and finger pointing.

[hunter]

58. I mock you.

Gun luv is sick.

[hack89]

59. When you decide to actually do something constructive

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Let me know. In the mean time enjoy your cultural war.

[tabasco]

71. The cultural war is being waged by the NRA

It is opposed to a safe and sane society.

[hack89]

74. There is no point making it easy for them.

One reason they are so successful is the ineptitude of their opponents.

[tabasco]

76. When you have something constructive to offer, let me know. n/t

[hack89]

77. You are the one that wants to change things

Just remember whose cooperation you will need.

[tabasco]

78. Change often happens without everyone's cooperation.

In fact, that's how it usually happens.

[GGJohn]

81. Without the cooperation of 80-100 million firearm owners?

Yeah, good luck with that.

[hack89]

83. Not when the people have a real say in the matter

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Votes. That is the bottom line. You don't have them.

[sweetapogee]

89. right and I do believe

that the actions of the administration are going to give the gun control movement even less ammo come next November.

It's never a good thing to accuse productive law abiding tax paying Democrats of being a future mass murderer.

[vkkv]

115. There should be a prize for "most vacuous copy-cat statement"

so you could win it.

TABASCO WROTE::"" When you have something constructive to offer, let me know. n/t""

Constructive enough for you?

"Vacuous" is a big word, huh??

[hunter]

72. I'm the child of a Wild West matriarchy, so's my wife...

... and we live in a very violent city.

In our family tradition fools and their guns are soon parted.

I subscribe to the theory that U.S.A. gun love is racist to it's rotten core.

White people had guns to control black people who were not allowed to carry guns, and to shoot Native Americans, sometimes just for "sport."

Now they carry guns for other cowardly reasons; basically feelings of impotence.

In my family tradition we've no problem separating fools from their guns. Forget about the government; some mad relative will take your gun and break it. If you're lucky they won't shove it up your ass. Grandmas and great grandmas are formidable women.

Nobody in my extended family suffers a gun fetish, not for long, anyways.

The vast majority of human beings turn into idiots when holding a gun in their hands, and I include cops in this assessment.

I've never been in a situation where me holding a gun might have improved the outcome. Guns escalate ordinary human conflicts into tragedies. Once the guns come out, everything is FUBAR.

Keeping or carrying a gun for "self-defense" is just stupid. Life is not a Hollywood action movie.

Piss on guns.

[hack89]

75. The NRA appreciates your support. nt

[hunter]

79. Do you really think so?

They are cowering in their bunkers.

Fuck'm.

[GGJohn]

84. Cowering in their bunkers?

Hardly think so.

[hack89]

85. You make their job easier

They want to eliminate the moderate middle - they want a binary, polarized fight on guns. So do you.

They are not cowering. Winners usually don't.

[Duckhunter935]

60. so true

Some around here are sure fascinated about the male penis. They wonder why they have a problem getting firearms owners to help them after they constantly insult them.

[lancer78]

49. statements like that

Is why there will never be effective nation-wide gun control. The mentality of the left on this issue is no different then the mentality of the right on abortion.

[Skittles]

51. aw there ya go

constant massacres are OK but DON'T SAY STUFF LIKE THAT!!!

[Straw Man]

55. You missed the point.

aw there ya go

constant massacres are OK but DON'T SAY STUFF LIKE THAT!!!

It's your own cause that you hurt by saying "stuff like that." You make compromise impossible and drive anybody who isn't a hardcore gun controller straight into the arms of the Republican party.

Apparently you were unaware that there is a middle ground on the gun control issue. If you knew, you wouldn't be trying so hard to alienate the people who live there.

[Electric Monk]

56. I think you've got it bass ackward, and you're clearly not part of any "middle ground" on this. nt

[Straw Man]

57. Think what you want.

I think you've got it bass ackward, and you're clearly not part of any "middle ground" on this.

It's precisely your kind of thinking that has made gun control such a monumental failure in recent years.

[Duckhunter935]

61. I am surprised

That host had the time to leave castle bansalot, it is so busy, I know he has his hand full moderating there.

[hobbit709]

120. Jury results.

On Sat Jan 2, 2016, 08:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I am surprised
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7491022

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude, insulting a du host simply for being a du host of a Group they dislike = hide

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 2, 2016, 08:52 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: personal attack. vote to hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Castle Bansalot is an accurate description.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[Duckhunter935]

122. WOW!

4-3 on what? They call their own group bansalot and take pride in it. somebody must have a very thin skin I guess. Thanks. The host even ran on that platform to get his position in that group and is proud of the number he has blocked.

[Eleanors38]

135. B-WAAHAA...

I had to apologize to folks within 10 ft around me for "snorting" like an Evinrude bogging down in the hydrilla.

[Duckhunter935]

144. to the person who alerted on me here is some

interesting reading about that esteemed host. His own posts.....

Blocking posters from this group should not be based solely on what they've posted in this group

but on what they've posted elsewhere on DU as well.

If they've previously posted elsewhere (in GD or the RKBA group, for example) something along the lines of "easy access to guns isn't the problem, and in fact more guns in more hands would make everyone safer" or similar nonsense, then that should be plenty reason enough to block them from this group. We don't need them posting stuff like this http://www.democraticunderground.com/1262314 (satire) while pretending to be serious. (edit: see this thread for some recent examples http://www.democraticunderground.com/126263 ) That's not what this group is for.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1262339

[pablo_marmol]

147. "........like an Evinrude bogging down in the hydrilla."

Luckily I had to apologize to nobody, as I read this line in the comfort of my home alone.

[Skittles]

112. THANK YOU

gawd, they make me SICK

[Skittles]

113. no, I did not

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and you are NOT "the middle"

on the one side you have constant mass shootings - on the other side, people sickened by it.....the middle is NOT people who whine about the TONE of the message

*fucking DONE here*

[Straw Man]

124. Yes, and you continue to do so.

on the one side you have constant mass shootings - on the other side, people sickened by it...

You think those are the two sides of the gun control issue? No wonder you can't make any progress.

the middle is NOT people who whine about the TONE of the message

No. The middle is the people who are so turned off by the extreme gun-ban rhetoric that they vote Republican.

I never said I was the middle. If you think I am, then you are truly clueless as to the spectrum of opinion on this issue.

[hack89]

68. You turn it into a game

To burnish your tough internet persona - no reflection, no rational thought, no willingness to find common ground. Have you considered that you are a part of the problem? You certainly are not part of the solution.

[vkkv]

114. Another sexist comment from a member who bitches about sexist comments!

Who would have figured that?

A) Me.

I'm sure that everyone of those female "gun humpers" is upset about penis analogies, right Skit?

[Eleanors38]

136. Sexist comments about male genitalia are DU-Approved©.

[Duckhunter935]

6. ..

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. I suppose most any human being has that potential.

But those who actually act on their worst impulses are a tiny, tiny minority. I'm not talking about just gun owners (although consider that there are 80 million in the US...and about 125k gun crimes), but everyone. The violent, destructive few can do a lot of harm, but I think the worst thing they can do is make you live in fear and despair.

[GGJohn]

8. Personally, I couldn't care less what you're convinced of,

I'm a lawful firearm owner and what you think of me is irrelevant.

[Ed Suspicious]

9. I hope you always keep it together.

[GGJohn]

11. You have no need to worry about that, along with the other 99.9% of firearm owners

in the country.

[Lizzie Poppet]

65. Add some nines.

People randomly "going off" and shooting someone probably constitutes about 300-400 incidents a year, tops. 80 million gun owners.

Mathematics an' shit...

[GGJohn]

66. I was going to, but most people who are reasonable would get my point. eom.

[Adrahil]

130. And I hope you don't go on a bender and kill people

Driving drunk.

Peace.

[Ed Suspicious]

10. Wait. You could or couldn't care less? I don't know what to make of this post.

[GGJohn]

13. I couldn't care less. eom.

[Ed Suspicious]

14. Narcissism. It's the trait I most worry about in gun carriers.

[GGJohn]

17. You worry far too much.

Like I said, 99.9% of firearm owners will never use their firearms in a criminal or negligent way.

[Hoyt]

86. GG and the other gungeoneers are "Good Guys with a gun(z)."

Originally posted by KPete
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7489015

[GGJohn]

87. More toons?

That's about all you have left huh Hoyt.
Gun control is a smoking wreck in this country and you don't know what to do about it other than take to the internet and hurl insults and stupid toons at lawful firearm owners like myself.

It really is pathetic to watch you flail around thinking you're relevant to the gun control movement.

BTW, do you have any idea what the GG in my screen name means?
It's related to my Army pilot days, it stands for Go Get 'em John because I was usually the first to volunteer for a mission.

[Hoyt]

90. Gunners are funny, GG. And, your lust for lethal weapons and missions has been noted.

You still see life here in the states as a war zone.

[GGJohn]

92. You truly just can't help yourself can you Hoyt?

Do you realize just how pathetic you sound right now?
It truly is sad that you can't grasp that gun control is done, all you have left are insults, lies, and toons, that's what it's really come down to.

[Hoyt]

94. It takes a while for all the yahoos' and old soldier's love for lethal weapons to dissipate.

[GGJohn]

95. Ok Hoyt, you go with that, meanwhile, the gun control movement is dying and you don't

quite know what to do about it.
If it weren't so pathetic, it would be funny.

[GGJohn]

96. Again, Hoyt, did you donate to Skylar's funeral expenses? eom.

[Hoyt]

97. Could you give me a link? I missed whatever you are posting about. Besides, how does that justify

all your gunz and promotion of more gunz in more places?

[GGJohn]

98. It's right there in the OP's thread.

Obviously you didn't read the headline, you immediately went on the attack because of firearms.

How pathetic, you don't care for Skylar, you only care about attacking lawful firearm owners.

[Hoyt]

99. I support Moms Demand Action. Kind of hypocritical in your case with 5 gun safes full of

guns and ammo, and one or two strapped to your body when you go to town.

[GGJohn]

100. Yup, you validated my accusations.

Truly pathetic.
Keep it up culture warrior, keep it up.

[friendly_iconoclast]

108. Do you actually do *anything* in the real world, not online, to support gun control?

Any dues paying memberships to gun control organizations? (Hitting "Like" on Facebook doesn't count)

Which gun control organizations have you sent checks to in 2015? (There's a whole mailing list in Castle Bansalot)

How many days of vacation have you used to meet with legislators, or march in protests in your state capitol or DC?

Which legislators have you met with to talk about repealing concealed or open carry, and how often?

What have you done in your state to get Universal Background Checks?

Have you started circulating petitions to repeal concealed carry, the 2nd Amendment, or anything gun control related?

How many town hall or zoning board meetings have you gone to to speak out about a new shooting range or gun store?

It seems the louder and more obnoxious you lot are on DU, the less you do in the real world.

Much easier to post "FUCK THE NRA" or post a picture collection than actually do anything like write a check out of your own pocket or take a few days to support your "deeply held beliefs".

Note: shamelessly pilfered from DonP's excellent list of questions for declared
'gun control supporters' at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=183759

[friendly_iconoclast]

109. Those questions also apply to every "gun control supporter" here...

[Hoyt]

119. Clearly, all of us have done more than the gun yahoos who can't leave home without one

or two strapped to their bodies. This new ploy, what have you done, from the gun lovers is laughable.

[friendly_iconoclast]

140. "Clearly, all of us have done more.." More of what, exactly? Wearing out keyboards? Posting pics?

Reposting someone else's cartoons and op-eds?

What you do, and what the vast majority of your fellow gun control advocates do,
can be described with one word:

Slacktivism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism

Slacktivism (sometimes slactivism or slackervism) is a portmanteau of the words slacker and activism. The word is usually considered a pejorative term that describes "feel-good" measures, in support of an issue or social cause, that have little physical or practical effect, other than to make the person doing it feel satisfied that they have contributed. Slacktivism can be defined as the act of showing support for a cause but only truly being beneficial to the egos of people participating in this so-called activism. The acts tend to require minimal personal effort from the slacktivist. The underlying assumption being promoted by the term is that these low-cost efforts substitute for more substantive actions rather than supplementing them

Granted, you might have developed carpal tunnel syndrome scraping photos from the Web...

[Hoyt]

141. At least we are not toting guns, promoting guns, supporting Zimmerman, contributing to NBA rather

than Brady, MOMS, etc. Too bad gunners can't give some of them up.

[friendly_iconoclast]

142. You also don't go to meetings, write checks, or lobby politicians. You are, indeed, slacktivists

And *that* is why you fail.

[Hoyt]

143. I get it, you are proud of your support for gun organizations like the NRA, and god knows what else

[friendly_iconoclast]

145. Add "research what I talk about" to the list of things you don't do, as I despise the NRA...

...and have said so many times over the years here at DU.

[GGJohn]

93. BTW Hoyt, I donated to the gofundme site,

did you?

[Logical]

126. Lol, then why reply? Nt

[GGJohn]

128. LOL, why are you asking?

LOL, why do you care?

[sarisataka]

12. So everyone is simply

a ticking bomb of homicidal rage and hate...

That is a sad world view

[Ed Suspicious]

16. Tell it to the former good guy father of this toddler. I'm sure the girl's mother had no reason to

worry.

Or maybe she could tell he would one day turn homicidal but created a child with him anyway.

[sarisataka]

24. I don't think it will help

to tell him since he is dead.

Tell me, do you fear your family members? Are you watching in case one of them is having a bad day, year of life and may come at you with murderous rage?

[ileus]

20. guns kill people.

[lancer78]

50. so the gun

Wakes up one morning and decides to kill someone?

[ileus]

88. I don't make the rules, I just repeat them.

They're mean and hateful that way.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. Isn't that why gun owners need to shove a pop-gun in their pants before leaving the house?

[sarisataka]

25. I can't speak for any but myself

but I don't worry about people suddenly snapping and deciding to kill. Half a century plus and so far my faith in my fellow humans has proven to be well placed.

[Eleanors38]

137. Already have a gun in my pants what pops.

[Lizzie Poppet]

67. Sad...and completely indefensible on any objective, factual basis.

As evidenced by the hundreds of millions of people who don't go off on any given day...

[a la izquierda]

15. I happened upon a man in a PA grocery store, carrying a large gun.

The blood drained out of my face, I was so freaked out. I wanted to get the hell away from him as quickly as possible. I don't live in PA, so I didn't realize it was an open carry state. Yuck.

[GGJohn]

18. Was he doing anything suspicious?

If not, then why get so freaked out?
In the part of the state I live in, it's quite common to see people open carrying, nobody gets freaked out about it.

[phylny]

28. I would freak out

and leave. I fucking hate guns, and do not care to be around them if I can help it.

[GGJohn]

29. Your choice,

myself, it doesn't bother me in the least, like I said, it's quite common where I live.

[phylny]

30. My choice, yes.

No one in my family has ever owned a gun except for my husband when he was an army officer. We have never had a need for them.

[Snobblevitch]

33. There are some people who need guns for personal protection.

There some people who need guns because of their occupation (your husband, for instance), however I do not think 'need' is why most gun owners have firearms.

I grew up in a household with guns. My dad acquired guns at an early age. He bought a shotgun when he was 12 (1940s). He had to hide it in the barn because my grandfather hated guns. After my dad began bringing home wild game (waterfowl, pheasants, rabbits, squirrels) my grandfather relented and my dad did not need to hide the shotgun. In fact, my grandfather gave him money to buy ammunition.

As my dad got older, he bought a few more guns, a military surplus rifle for hunting deer (it was surplus from the Spanish-American War), and a pump shotgun (he still has them).

He only had one handgun when I was a kid and I never saw it much because it was locked up. (It's a small Colt officer's sidearm that was made in 1918). He bought it because it was old and a collector-type gun, he still owns it.)

My dad has acquired several more guns over the years, mostly just to have in his collection. The only guns that he shoots are a couple of handguns for target shooting and rifles for deer hunting.

My point with this post is that my father doesn't really NEED any of these firearms. However, he would have missed out on the bonding he has done with his sons and grandsons while hunting and target shooting over the decades. My grandfathers died when I was six and eleven years old. I would have really liked to have known them and spent as much time with them as my father has spent with his grandsons.

[jonno99]

127. +1 - your story is very much the norm...nt

[a la izquierda]

34. No, he wasn't.

I've lived all over. Never seen a dude just rolling around with a gun. My best friend, from another country, was with me. Equally freaked out.

[A HERETIC I AM]

52. Why?

In the part of the state I live in, it's quite common to see people open carrying

Why? When the fuck did the Americans that live in your part of your state become such chickenshits?

[GGJohn]

64. How the hell do I know why, I don't get in other people's business. eom.

[Skittles]

22. the people who open carry

are exactly the kind of paranoid freaks who should be nowhere NEAR a weapon

[a la izquierda]

35. Yep.

Because one needs a gun at a friggin' Wegman's.

[ileus]

19. My kids are worth protecting...

[Humanist_Activist]

31. That's great, is there any evidence that having guns in the home reduces the chances that they...

will become victims of crime?

[ManiacJoe]

48. Guns don't work that way.

Guns are not magic tallismans. They have no effect on the odds of a crime happening.
What the guns do is give you better odds of surviving if you get into a bad situation in the first place.

[Humanist_Activist]

101. OK, is there evidence for that claim you just made? n/t

[GGJohn]

102. There are plenty of youtube videos of citizens with firearms successfully defending themselves

against criminals, there are also plenty of stories of the same thing, google is your friend.

[Humanist_Activist]

103. Those are anecdotes, where is the data?

And no, the 2013 meta-study from the CDC doesn't count when it says, itself that the data is suspect, and most study is needed.

[GGJohn]

107. Videos aren't anecdotes, neither are news stories about citizens defending themselves

with firearms.

[madinmaryland]

36. then keep them away from the "good guys" who open carry OR even

feel the need to carry at all.

[DashOneBravo]

26. That's horrible.

Rest in peace Skylar.

I'll post it on a couple of other boards.

[Ed Suspicious]

27. Thank you.

[DashOneBravo]

37. I understand your frustration and anger

I don't take that personally even though I'm a gun owner.

[pablo_marmol]

39. "There are no good guys with guns."

You are aware that the vast majority of gun violence is committed by those with extensive criminal records, yes? Aw shit, never mind.

Liberal with a gun

[DashOneBravo]

40. Did you miss the Gofundme link?

[pablo_marmol]

41. No.

[TipTok]

43. How do you go outside?

[Ed Suspicious]

47. Unarmed.

[TipTok]

104. ... And with a pant load of irrational fear it seems.

Tell me again why everyone else should conform so you don't feel icky?

[Ed Suspicious]

105. Tell me again how I can tell a good guy with a gun from a bad. Why is my fear irrational?

Blocks from my house on a beautiful summer day a gunman took to a local park killing several unsuspecting people including himself with his boomstick. Is my fear still irrational? Was the 2 year old victim in this thread, was her fear of her gun toting dad irrational when he killed her? When does fear of people carrying instruments of death become rational in your mind? Clearly, that you might feel the need to leave the house armed in order to defend yourself against other carriers of boomsticks tells me that you hold the same fear that you deem irrational in me. Why is that?

[TipTok]

110. Math...

Specifically statistics... That's why...

[Ed Suspicious]

111. Two people dead because of one asshole with a gun equals fucking stupid ignore the problem. And if

the math is so damned important why don't you use the math knowing that the likelihood of you needing a gun to fend off an attacker let alone actually come out the other side successful is nearly nonexistent. Again, my fear is no more irrational than yours.

[TipTok]

133. Do you own a fire extinguisher?

What are the odds of your home or car burning down? or someone else's? Not to mention the fact that you have to be in the right place to do something about it.

Not great odds but if you need it, you will be damn glad to have it.

I just find it odd that you worry about being gunned down, a very statistically unlikely event, but you don't worry about the things that have an even greater chance of killing you. Are you more dead if you die from a bullet than heart disease or bees or drowning or get run over by a bus etc.. etc..?

Quit expecting the world to conform to your personal fears. The world doesn't revolve around you and this is definitely a personal problem.

[DashOneBravo]

44. I'm surprised how everyone was quick to

Choose sides and wave Skylars bloody shirt and not one post about her getting killed.

[pablo_marmol]

53. Wouldn't have anything to do with *this* statement, would it?

People, guns or not, are ticking time bombs.

Pretty negative and unfounded assertion if you ask me.

I, for one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt in believing this was a horrible tragedy. Exactly what would you have folks say?

[DashOneBravo]

73. Yes, that exactly

The OP especially. See post 37.

There are a lot of the same posters in the gun threads and I try not to get involved. I don't think Skittles or Hack are changing their mind. Maybe everyone just has a long history that I don't know about.

After reading your last paragraph that would explain it.Thanks

[Eleanors38]

139. I don't have that kind of fear of my fellow humans. Why some have is curious.

[TreasonousBastard]

46. I've had a few strange things happen in my life, but none tragic...

I can't help but wonder which could have ended up tragic if I had a gun.

[pablo_marmol]

54. Then there are lots of people who would have suffered tragedy

were it not for the ability to defend themselves with a gun.

[hunter]

138. Like a Hollywood movie.

Fuck Yeah!!!!





My own overall impression of gun luvers is they are fearful weenies who wouldn't walk the places I walk without an armed bodyguard.

Most people turn into idiots when they are holding a gun.

I include cops and myself in that assessment.

[pablo_marmol]

146. "Like a Hollywood movie."

Funny that the gun restriction brigade's beloved CDC thinks differently --- admitting that there are high numbers of defensive gun uses every year.

Most people turn into idiots when they are holding a gun.

LOL! Clearly untrue given the very small percentage of guns that are used in mayhem. Keep on flailin' and failin' though!

Edited to add: I always enjoy it when gun haters describe truth as Hollywood fiction, since their entire bank of knowledge on guns comes from movies.

[ileus]

91. probably none.

Just like 99% of the other gun owners out there.

[Marengo]

63. Do you include yourself in this analysis?...

"People, guns or not, are ticking time bombs."

[Ed Suspicious]

106. Maybe. I don't know what tomorrow might bring. I tell myself I would never do anything to harm

another. I'm sure there was a time when the father of the dead 2 year old told himself that as well. The family in this thread who were victims of a bad guy with a gun found out the hard way.

[Marengo]

129. What kind of weapons do you have access to?

[vkkv]

116. So Ed, are you referring to just handguns? Rifles? Shotguns? Pellet guns?

Blanket statements like that sure remind me of crazies like Trump, Bachmann, Gohmert, Cruz and Peter King.

Is that the best of company Ed?

[Ed Suspicious]

117. I'm comfortable taking pellet guns off the list.

[clarice]

131. Silly. nt