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Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:10 PM

Russell Brand said it perfectly: You'd think if Jesus was that concerned about homosexuality

You'd think if Jesus was that concerned about homosexuality he had the perfect opportunity to address the issue in his top ten dos and don'ts.



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Reply Russell Brand said it perfectly: You'd think if Jesus was that concerned about homosexuality (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 OP
roguevalley Dec 2015 #1
arcane1 Dec 2015 #5
roguevalley Dec 2015 #13
arcane1 Dec 2015 #22
bulloney Dec 2015 #48
Human101948 Dec 2015 #29
libdem4life Dec 2015 #44
mikehiggins Dec 2015 #50
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #2
ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2015 #16
Major Nikon Dec 2015 #30
libdem4life Dec 2015 #47
Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #26
awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #65
Rex Dec 2015 #3
Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #4
saturnsring Dec 2015 #8
saturnsring Dec 2015 #6
Major Nikon Dec 2015 #18
whatthehey Dec 2015 #31
NightWatcher Dec 2015 #7
Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #9
saturnsring Dec 2015 #37
GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #12
bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #10
Major Nikon Dec 2015 #19
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #21
Major Nikon Dec 2015 #23
lancer78 Dec 2015 #59
Major Nikon Dec 2015 #60
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #20
wickerwoman Dec 2015 #24
bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #55
Angry Dragon Dec 2015 #25
Coventina Dec 2015 #11
whatthehey Dec 2015 #32
padfun Dec 2015 #36
Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #14
wickerwoman Dec 2015 #27
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #28
Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #33
Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #38
Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #61
joeybee12 Dec 2015 #15
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #17
Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #34
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #39
mikehiggins Dec 2015 #58
sarge43 Dec 2015 #40
joeybee12 Dec 2015 #46
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #49
joeybee12 Dec 2015 #51
yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #52
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #53
yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #54
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #56
sarge43 Dec 2015 #57
Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #35
Roy Rolling Dec 2015 #41
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #43
Yavin4 Dec 2015 #42
kentauros Dec 2015 #64
uriel1972 Dec 2015 #45
frizzled Dec 2015 #62
Skittles Dec 2015 #63

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:11 PM

1. he was silent on it and also abortion

read Number 5:11-33 if you want to know what God thinks of abortion. You might be pleasantly surprised.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:28 PM

5. Or Hoseah 13:16, for that matter.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:14 PM

13. I believe the bible is the history and emotional

status of the times. God if he is a father would never choose among his children who should die and who should live. A father loves his children and wants their best. I think that a lot of fuckers do bad things and use God as a shield. God is not in the middle of war or hatred in MO. I think that we are alone them. We are the architects of our own misery. God teaches love and caring. People who say otherwise are just showing their own psychopathic BS.

IMHO.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:43 PM

22. Bill Maher calls it "laundering your hate through God"

 

And that's the best description I've ever seen of what you mention: a lot of fuckers do bad things and use God as a shield.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:00 PM

48. Maher also called the Old Testament the Jewish book of fairy tales.

I consider it an accurate description when you read things like a 600 year old man building a boat large enough to carry two of every species of animals on the planet; people conversing with a snake; a man spending 3 days in the belly of a fish (whale?) and survived; that an all-knowing god knew enough to create a male and female of every species except his own and supposedly put the man to sleep and created a female version from his rib, and on and on.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:59 PM

29. Jesus was as gay as they come...

 

Never married. Hung out and partied with a dozen other guys. Do I need to say more?

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:54 PM

44. Gay Hippie, you mean...forgot the Long Hair.

 

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:06 PM

50. You seem to be overlooking Mary Magdalene (SP?) just like the Church fathers did

It seems Ms. M was a lady who had a very close relationship with God's kid. Later on, when the approved versions of the Gospels were chosen she was saddled with a rep as a harlot, etc., which might have been total crap. We'll never know since the stuff we read today was put out about a couple of centuries after JC bought the farm. All the eyewitnesses were just so much dust by then.

Another question might be did Christ ever masturbate? He was supposed to be a man, after all, as well as God. It would appear he would have gone through puberty sometime before he was thirty. As all guys can testify, the only people who claim they never masturbated are liars.

Lots of questions to be asked. No reason to care one way or another.

People who claim Christ condemns gays, or masturbators, or Republicans, are just looking for justification, not validation. Keep in mind the Words of Obama: If I walked on water, the Republicans would say I can't swim.

Everyone should live their lives and let God sort 'em out in the end.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:20 PM

2. Jesus may have had little input into the Ten Commandments

since he wasn't born yet.

And there is a bit about coveting thy neighbor's ass, whatever that meant.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:26 PM

16. If you believe the Bible he existed before he was born.

And has always existed along with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:59 PM

30. Actually the only evidence for this in the bible is a forgery

The concept of the Holy Trinity was developed centuries after the death of Jesus out of a political need to deify Christ. The biblical evidence against the concept of the Holy Trinity is actually pretty overwhelming. Not even all Christians believe in it.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:58 PM

47. It was the pagan Sun Worshipping ruler Constantine back in the 300s or so who finally decreed

 

the Trinity so that the Christian Bishops would stop their squabbles. Not sure how Holy that is.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:51 PM

26. +1 for the ass

 

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:27 PM

65. I once coveted a neighbor's ass

 

too bad she was married

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:24 PM

3. He must have meant Moses, Jesus was a long away future entity.

 

People back then were more worried about property rights, slave ownage and other chattel. Looking back on the 10 commandments, one could say they are the largest failure in western civilization.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:27 PM

4. Things Jesus actually did say include never pray in public and never call any man Father but

 

entire religions pretend that Jesus said 'Call me Holy Father and the rest of them just Father while constantly praying out loud so everyone can hear you, it's better if people can hear how holy you are, God listens more if you have a TV audience'.

The Rick Warren Oath Prayer show. Had they followed Jesus' orders they'd not swear any oath at all because Jesus forbade them, hold no public prayer to consecrate this forbidden oath because public prayer is also forbidden. But they did all this, this honor to an anti gay preacher, in the name of Jesus who said not to do any of it at all and had nothing against gay people. He said anyone who prays in public is a hypocrite. He said oaths come from evil. So they pray on TV and take an oath 'for Jesus' while claiming gay people are the heathen.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:47 PM

8. MATTHEW 6.6

 

The Lord's Prayer
5"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:44 PM

6. excpt jesus didnt write the 10 commandments

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:37 PM

18. Sure he did

Jebus, his daddy, and the holy poltergeist are totally the same entity even though there's no unedited reference to the Trinity in the canonical gospels (there was one unauthorized reference to the Holy Trinity inserted centuries later). The suggestion that Christianity isn't actually a monotheist religion would have gotten you burned at the stake for heresy not all that long ago.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:00 PM

31. So. You don't buy the Trinity then. Technically still a heresy that.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:46 PM

7. Russell proving once again that he's no Mensa member

All he had to say was "god" instead of Jesus and he'd had a better joke.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:54 PM

9. In Brand's defense Jesus preached on and on and never got around to amending that

 

list to include 'don't be gay'. He had years to do so. He couldn't take ten minutes away from making water into wine to get it said? The Sermon on the Mount is pages long, blessed are these, blessed are those but not one blessed word about 'those people'.

I often think modern Christianity is an active reversal of the things Jesus suggested, most of which Christians really don't like. Sell what you own and give it to the poor. As if!

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:26 PM

37. if i sell everything i own and give it to the poor - then they will not be looked upon so favorably

 

because they are not so poor but I will be poor so the newly not-so-poor will have to give me what I gave them making them poor again and me not-so-poor so now I have to give it to them which will make them not-so-poor

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:02 PM

12. He reminds me of Dennis Miller ...

not funny.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:58 PM

10. Jesus did have a lot to say about protecting children, unlike the history of tptb, right? Jesus

 

also condemned all the religious hypocrites, priests and their political power structure.

I know you're no hypocrite, dixiegrrrrl. Below is a gift for all that love the truth and despise hypocrisy.

Chapter 21-Omaha
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016139460

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:40 PM

19. On the morning Jesus was arrested, they found him with a nude boy

Mark 14:51-52

Just sayin'.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:42 PM

21. Who had drunk of the "Milk" of the "Lord"...

Make of that what you will...
It's in the BOOK go read it if you don't believe me.

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:44 PM

23. The tale of "the disciple that Jesus loved" makes for interesting reading

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:00 PM

59. wow

 

I guess parts of the new testament are a homo-erotic thriller.

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Response to lancer78 (Reply #59)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:08 PM

60. John 13:3-17 is ate up with the podophilia

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:41 PM

20. What on Earth is TPTB?

Enquiring minds want to know.

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:46 PM

24. The powers that be?

Guessing

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:27 PM

55. Of course it's the powers that be/tptb, wickerwoman, aka shadow government etc...

 

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:46 PM

25. The Powers That Be

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:00 PM

11. Fail. The "10 Commandments" predate Jesus.

What Brand should have said is that if Jesus was worried about homosexuality he would have been married and quit hanging out with a homo-social group of guys.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:01 PM

32. Another one who doesn't get the Trinity is still official Christian teaching.

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Response to whatthehey (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:25 PM

36. The seven Gods dont like you talking about Trinities.

They will smite you if you continue.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:17 PM

14. This is mindblowingly stupid.

Quite apart from the authorship of the 10 commandments, Jesus came from a culture where homosexuality was near-universally considered wicked.

As Russell Brand says, if he'd disagreed strongly with that, he'd have said something about it.

Since he didn't, it's a fairly safe assumption that he agreed with everyone else.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:55 PM

27. Well, not wicked, just not butch.

In Roman culture, as long as you were on top it was fine. It was just taking the "girl" part that opened you up for ridicule. There were no Classical gods that considered homosexuality "evil" in the sense that modern evangelicals mean it. It's just an undesirable quality like being bald, fat or having a stutter.

And the Greeks thought homosexuality between men was a positive virtue that developed intellect and character. Many of the Near Eastern courts practiced Greek customs and had both boys and girls in harems.


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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:59 PM

28. Unfortunately for those men who preferred men in Judea...

There was a powerful social move against such practices at the time as being "Foreign/Greek"

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:10 PM

33. Jesus lived under the rule of the Romans. Did they think it was wicked?

 

Why not really, no. Same for the Greeks. The Greeks had left Helleistic Judaism which was a form that much like today's paradigms, did not see religious laws as appropriate in secular society while the more traditional Judaism was into that rule by the book.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:27 PM

38. So when he said "love your neighbor as yourself",

you think he didn't mean that literally? That gay neighbors were implicitly excluded from that statement?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:48 AM

61. Do you think adulterers were included or excluded?

My guess is that Jesus thought homosexuality was a sin, just like adultery.

He opposed the stoning of the woman taken in adultery, but he also said to her "go forth and sin no more".

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:24 PM

15. None of the quotes from Jesus in the Bible mention homosexuality...

 

Clearly wasn't a concern of his.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:35 PM

17. Maybe he thought Leviticus and the three lots of 10 commandments...

were enough to settle the matter.

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:20 PM

34. As the OP clearly points out, the 10 commandments don't say a word about it.

 

Also, a great deal of Jesus material revolved around his views on 'The Law' of Moses and he is recorded as being asked many questions about those laws, in rather great detail.
So just like when God the First made the Top Ten Lists, the whole gay thing just did not make the cut in the Jesus letters. He got around to saying you can get your sheep out of a ditch on the Sabbath, very pressing issue to all persons. He managed to take a view opposed to Moses on divorce which he forbade, and remarriage which he called prostitution. However he never got around to 'the gay'. Could have. Didn't. Nor did Big Daddy Sinai with his Desert Island Do's and Don'ts.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:31 PM

39. There are three sets of ten commandments in the Bible...

Two are The Laws and Commandments of God, which are similar and number ten each and are commanly thought of as the "Ten Commandments", but not labeled as such.
However, there is a third titled The Ten Commandments, which is mostly concerned with ritual/belief.

Just a FYI

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:42 PM

58. Leviticus? Is that the one that forbids tattoos?

I love seeing the morons sporting their Leviticus quoting tats.

I keep resisting the temptation to ask them if they know what irony is.

I don't particularly dislike homosexuals. I do dislike stupid people, however.

Oh, and Republicans...

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:38 PM

40. No, not specifically

however, he did say he had come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it (Matt 5:17). To him the law was the Torah, first five book of the Bible which includes Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:57 PM

46. You're supposing that that was the law he meant...

 

Anyway, I don't think he even existed and if he did, then most of what is attributed to what he said or did was made up.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:03 PM

49. I don't think he existed either...

and that this would only be a matter of academic interest, if only people weren't trying to run countries and legal systems based on what this probably fictitious person wants.

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:13 PM

51. yup...

 

And they're very selective in deciding what this fictitious person wanted, accepting some things, totally ignoring others.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:16 PM

52. He existed. There is proof of that

 

Question is what exactly was he? A prophet? A preacher? Son of God? Many believe different things.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:19 PM

53. I'm not going to get into an argument about this...

You think he existed. I don't.
I have my reasons, as I'm sure you do for your position.

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:21 PM

54. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I am sorry if I appeared to do that.

 

Have a great night.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:29 PM

56. Didn't say you were...

It's just that when these things come up, they can get pretty heated and I was trying to stop a potential flare-up before it started.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:30 PM

57. You wrote that homosexuality was clearly not a concern of his

If he didn't exist, then what's your point? If he existed, as practicing Jew there was only one law for him and would have been the Torah. He certainly didn't mean Roman law.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:25 PM

35. Also, he turned water into wine when the booze ran out.

And stepped in to prevent someone from being stoned to death.

Definitely a few contrasts between Christianity and certain other religions.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:47 PM

41. That about covers it

There's nothing more informative than a meme by Russell Brand sharing his deep knowledge of religion, followed up by vigorous debate by the religious experts on DU. Case closed.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:50 PM

43. Gosh...

No need for a discussion board then.
Our local expert on all things has spoken. Case closed.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:50 PM

42. For the record, I can't stand my neighbor's oxen.

Damn thing shits every where and is fucking loud. You'd think that NYC wouldn't allow oxen in a residential bldg, but you'd be wrong.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:44 AM

64. Just cover your neighbor's ox:



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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:56 PM

45. You'd think if Yeshu was concerned about slavery...

He'd have mentioned it?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:02 AM

62. Arguing from an insane premise to reach a conclusion you like is a mistake.

 

It doesn't matter a damn what the Bible says, and anyone with more leisure time than you can construct some half-assed argument against yours.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:12 AM

63. love Mr. Brand

 

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