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kpete

(71,963 posts)
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:31 PM Dec 2015

The land is NOT OURS to exploit:

What we need is a real alternative to the Neoliberal order that can sustain itself. The real original settlers of this continent are the Native Americans, not the pilgrims who you read about in school. And while you heard a lot in school about various ancient civilizations like the Egyptians, the Greeks, and the Romans, the Native Americans build societies that lasted over 13,000+ years. Tribes and societies were highly diverse, so it is difficult to generalize too much; however, one thing they all had in common was the belief that the land is not ours to exploit:

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children."
--Ancient Indian Proverb

"The American Indian is of the soil, whether it be the region of forests, plains, pueblos, or mesas. He fits into the landscape, for the hand that fashioned the continent also fashioned the man for his surroundings. He once grew as naturally as the wild sunflowers, he belongs just as the buffalo belonged..." --Luther Standing Bear

"What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?" -Massasoit

"One does not sell the land people walk on." -
-Crazy Horse

"We do not own the freshness of the air or the sparkle of the water. How can you buy them from us?"
-Sealth

"My reason teaches me that land cannot be sold. The Great Spirit gave it to his children to live upon. So long as they occupy and cultivate it, they have a right to the soil. Nothing can be sold but such things as can be carried away"
--Black Hawk

"We know our lands have now become more valuable. The white people think we do not know their value; but we know that the land is everlasting, and the few goods we receive for it are soon worn out and gone."
-- Canassatego

"I love this land and the buffalo and will not part with it…I have heard you intend to settle us on a reservation near the mountains. I don't want to settle. I love to roam over the prairies. There I feel free and happy, but when we settle down we grow pale and die. A long time ago this land belonged to our fathers, but when I go up to the river I see camps of soldiers on its banks. These soldiers cut down my timber, they kill my buffalo and when I see that, my heart feels like bursting." -- Satanta, Kiowa Chief

"If we ever owned the land we own it still, for we never sold it. In the treaty councils the commissioners have claimed that our country had been sold to the government. Suppose a white man should come to me and say, Joseph, I like your horses, and I want to buy them. Then he goes to my neighbor and says to him; Joseph's horses. I want to buy them, but he refuses to sell. My neighbor answers, Pay me the money and I will sell you Joseph's horses. The white man returns to me, and says, Joseph, I have bought your horses and you must let me have them. If we sold our lands to the government, this is the way they were bought." --Chief Joseph-Nez Perce

"They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one: they promised to take our land and they took it. It was not hard to see that the white people coveted every inch of land on which we lived. Greed. Humans wanted the last bit of ground which supported Indian feet. It was land - it has ever been land - for which the White man oppresses the Indian and to gain possession of which he commits any crime. Treaties that have been made are vain attempts to save a little of the fatherland, treaties holy to us by the smoke of the pipe - but nothing is holy to the white man. Little by little, with greed and cruelty unsurpassed by the animal, he has taken all. The loaf is gone and now the white man wants the crumbs."
--Luther Standing Bear

http://archive.adl.org/education/curriculum_connections/na_quotes.html
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/26/1463906/-The-Neoliberal-Order-is-Breaking-Another-World-is-Possible

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The land is NOT OURS to exploit: (Original Post) kpete Dec 2015 OP
This goes to the heart of me, cheapdate Dec 2015 #1
The next time you hear, -none Dec 2015 #2
^ handmade34 Dec 2015 #3
Sadly even some Democrats want to continue exploiting the land with programs like rhett o rick Dec 2015 #4
Unfortunately how do you get back to that ideal when we jwirr Dec 2015 #5
H2OMan would approve of this post. byronius Dec 2015 #6
No one owns land undergroundpanther Dec 2015 #7
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. Sadly even some Democrats want to continue exploiting the land with programs like
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:32 PM
Dec 2015

fracking for profits. Both Obama and HRC think that oil company profits are more important than clean drinking water and of course the earthquakes.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. Unfortunately how do you get back to that ideal when we
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:52 PM
Dec 2015

are now urban creatures? They were rural inhabitants who lived off the natural products of the land. If I am not mistaken some even planted things such as corn and pumpkins. And they were not overpopulated as we are today.

As I rode on the tribal bus around the reservation I was delighted to see that almost every home had a garden. Many of us regardless of race are trying to live simpler.

On the other hand there were wars between the tribes for territory and that implies some form of ownership. It is true that within their territory they shared the area with each other. And to some extent still do.

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
7. No one owns land
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:25 AM
Dec 2015

We come into the world with nothing and we take nothing when we go,we just stay here awhile,on a place no one can ever posesss but can only share. Capitalism is incompatible with democracy,and with a strong solidarity in diversity. Really,all you need to do to stop capitalism is learn to share ,share the knowlege ,what you have,the work ,the burdens and the rewards and fruits of all the shared efforts with everyone and the earth that supplied the means to do it all for free. People have forgotten this now they are scared of it.scared of each other and shopping fills the hole inside where community love should be.

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