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Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:09 AM

GOP debate audience excited by prospect of killing noncombatants and innocents

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It all started when the best question of the night came from Facebook: A student from Georgia Tech called Donald Trump on his suggestion that he would kill family members of ISIS in order to deter terrorists from attacking us. "So my question is: How does intentionally killing innocent civilians set us apart from ISIS?"

No surprise here, Trump doubled down: "I would be very very firm with families. And frankly, that will make people think. Because they may not care much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their family's lives."

And ... you guessed it: the audience broke into applause.

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Reply GOP debate audience excited by prospect of killing noncombatants and innocents (Original post)
Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2015 OP
uppityperson Dec 2015 #1
Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2015 #2
uppityperson Dec 2015 #3
newfie11 Dec 2015 #5
former9thward Dec 2015 #11
Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2015 #12
former9thward Dec 2015 #13
Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2015 #14
mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #4
Cracklin Charlie Dec 2015 #6
JDPriestly Dec 2015 #7
Old Codger Dec 2015 #8
Scuba Dec 2015 #9
Mc Mike Dec 2015 #10

Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:14 AM

1. This makes me sick. Not just that they could say such outrageous bs, but that so many people support

this outrageous bs. This is sickening.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:17 AM

2. The Mike Corleone philosophy of foreign policy.

No unintended consequences could happen - right?

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:18 AM

3. It is amazing that so many support this crap, it makes me fear for the future

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:25 AM

5. Me too! Nt

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 08:59 PM

11. More like the FDR-Truman philosophy.

They bombed non-military civilian areas of Germany and Japan to demoralize the German and Japanese militaries who wee losing their families in those bombs.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:14 AM

12. Actually, that was less true early in the war

In Europe, Britain went with the de-housing philosophy and indiscriminate bombing of targets in Germany/German occupied territories, while the US favored precision daylight bombing of industrial and military targets. However, by late in the war, when we were bombing Japan, we went more wholeheartedly after civilian populations. I'd add that Germany engaged in indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations as well, and Japan tried to start random mayhem in the US with incendiary balloons that failed miserably.

However, what Trump is talking about is having intelligence agents do the kind of things that drug cartels do -- determine the identities of individuals in ISIS/ISIL/Daesh/whatever we call it this week; determining who the loved ones of those individuals are, and targeting them directly with death or torture.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:10 PM

13. If you are going to fight a war nothing is off limits.

That was the American, UK, German and Japanese philosophy in WW II. I don't favor any intervention in the Middle East, ISIS or otherwise, but if someone wants to kill U.S. familes then I have no problem killing theirs.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:03 AM

14. You are right, and that's a big part of the problem.

Let me establish at the outset: you and I are in 100% agreement re: "any intervention in the Middle East, ISIS or otherwise"

Since Gulf War I, we have not fought any war with clear-cut territorial conquest objectives. We've taken sides in civil wars -- some of which we instigated, others not (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan). We accomplished regime change in Iraq, botched the occupation, and ended up with Civil War.

In a certain sense, I agree with you. In war, nothing is off limits. However, the object has to be for one side to impose its will over the other. Would engaging in gangsterism accomplish that? Possibly, but what I think it really accomplishes it guaranteeing more terrorism. The way to fight ISIS, IMO, is to cut them off from their sources of funding. That means driving them out of the oil and antiquities business; that means cutting off "donations" from wealthy citizens of erstwhile allies; and -- if it comes to it -- it means scorching the earth in their occupied territories.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:24 AM

4. Republicans' only problem with ISI

... is copyright infringement.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:50 AM

6. And yet, he never answered the question.

Trump is an absolute douchebag.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:54 AM

7. So heartless! And yet, ask them and most of them will claim to be Christians.

What sets them apart from ISIS?

Very good question.

I don't want to think that people really feel like that.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:13 AM

8. Some of the sickest

 

Were present tonight and the sickest ones were on stage...

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 07:16 AM

9. Most countries have treatment programs for their mentally ill. We put ours on TV.

 

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 08:37 PM

10. That's the 'pro-life' party. rec. nt.

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