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CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:05 PM Dec 2015

Ornament and Illusion of Carlo Crivelli: “...the finest Renaissance artist you never heard of.”

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The Annunciation with St. Emidius. 1482. The National Gallery. London. (currently on loan till Jan. 25 to the Isabella Gardner Museum in Boston)

This is one of those works of art that makes you say to yourself “where do I even START with this painting?”

There is almost an overload of desire, joy, fulfillment -- you name your rapture -- in simply looking and responding to it...color, design, architectural richness, the grand pleasure of its perspectival plunge (the vanishing point re-discovered!), its ornamentality, its fabulous trompe l’oeile at the picture frame, its gradations of the shades of red...(and please feel free to share your comments/explanations for the warted cucumber on the edge of the picture frame...I’m not going there...).

First off, we have to ask why in the grand history of Renaissance art is its painter, Carlo Crivelli, not celebrated along with the names of the other great masters of his time? Well, for one thing he wasn’t really “from” either of the two major centers of that art, Florence and Venice (even though Crivelli identified himself as a Venetian artist). He was a native of the Marches region of Italy and something of an outsider for the art centers of his day. So his art somehow got neglected and it is our great loss, but now happily recovered!...

This painting happened because of “libertas ecclesiastica” as you can see announced at the bottom of the painting. It means that Ascoli Picena was now free of papal rule in the running of their city and the city’s Franciscan convent commissioned this work in celebration. Thanks to God, the city said, and thanks to its protectoress, the Virgin Mary (and a nod to St. Emidius, the town’s patron saint) who is seen with the angel Gabriel to make the annunciation to her (she stays safely at her prie dieu behind walls). This papal announcement happened on the Feast Day of the Annunciation. And it explains why Emidius appears offering a model of the city to Mary.

So, a retelling of this story was in order, in the terms of religious painting of the day and we see the light from God beaming down upon the Virgin Mary, and at that moment impregnating her with the Son of God. Not the first time in this particular fashion has this been portrayed in Western Christian art, mind you. See Fra Angelico here (and note the salutation/respectful gesture of the angel and Mary’s folded arms in both paintings)
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A word here about UFO’s. There was a strange time when some oddly sighted folks talked about how Crivelli was documenting the appearance of UFO’s in his swirling cloud above that sent the beam (and the Holy Spirit in the form of a small white bird) directly through a tiny gold mouse hole in Mary’s upper floor. As you can see in the detail here, the extra terrestrial does not, alas, appear unless you want to make it a religious ET and hey, who am I to argue that it isn’t?
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Enough is going on to keep us busy elsewhere in this painting anyway. Let’s wonder, here, about the fading popularity of the use of Gothic gold (note it is more prevalent with the somewhat earlier Fra Angelico than Crivelli -- check the halos or lack thereof with the Crivelli), a marker in the divide between the late Gothic and the Early Renaissance art (a brief glimpse of it though thanks to Crivelli’s sparing use in the helmeted Gabriel and the saint’s tunic).

But back to the birds.We see the swirl of sky and birds in the upper left, the tiny Holy Spirit, the small birds on rails and little bird cage above the Virgin’s room (and another midway back) and, of course, that over-the-top peacock. How many do you count? My ageing eyes tell me nine or perhaps ten...

But, let’s move to Crivelli’s use of color, most especially his shades of red. This work marks Crivelli as a master of composition and color together. The two Anatolian carpets fluttering from upper windows are meticulously crafted as we see in the detail here
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The shade of red Crivelli employs for the entablature around the Virgin’s house, her darker red gown punched and scrolled with gold, the brick red of the wall to the left are impressive in that the colors work so well together. The artist adds the shade on the monk’s cap mid distance and the little girl’s sleeve (as she clings to the balcony wall to see what is going on) and the man’s uniform beside her. The terra cotta entablature is set off by a delicately ornate fretting around the Virgin’s door. A billowing curtain and pillows inside her house are yet other subtle tones of the color.
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By now you are probably at the point where your feet hurt and you have to make room for others who are crowding round to see (but you are reluctant to give up your spot)...I suggest you sit down on the nearest bench and give up even trying to leave...and at least plan a day to return, or perhaps right after lunch...there is always the Gardner’s cafe...because questions will linger, and you will want to seek the answers further...

...give up, the artist got under your skin...it happens, just go with it. I know, my friend, I know...

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Ornament and Illusion of Carlo Crivelli: “...the finest Renaissance artist you never heard of.” (Original Post) CTyankee Dec 2015 OP
As always, you have brightened my Friday evening etherealtruth Dec 2015 #1
so glad you like it! It's a treasure, isn't it? CTyankee Dec 2015 #2
wow....fantastic... dhill926 Dec 2015 #3
it feels escher-esque phantom power Dec 2015 #4
I like that analysis...it makes sense... CTyankee Dec 2015 #5
Do you know the size of the painting? brush Dec 2015 #52
It's big edhopper Dec 2015 #57
I thought so too. femmocrat Dec 2015 #6
Interesting thought. I don't know how it got to the National Gallery in London. CTyankee Dec 2015 #8
Thanks for this... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #7
I have to get back before it leaves on Jan. 25th... CTyankee Dec 2015 #9
Thanks for the warning... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #12
I know, just when you think you've seen it all, another detail comes into view and you CTyankee Dec 2015 #14
Agree 100% Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #15
I did an essay on Starry Night here a while back! CTyankee Dec 2015 #17
Excellent article....beautiful Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #25
Wow! Thanks, CTYankee! nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #10
oh ctyankee, I hug you. :D:D:D thank you roguevalley Dec 2015 #11
My pleasure, roguevalley! CTyankee Dec 2015 #13
I don't know how to say this. I mean it with the utmost respect to the talent but. they are so Hiraeth Dec 2015 #16
I know. It's incredible...Crivelli must've been a genius... CTyankee Dec 2015 #18
without a doubt. pure genuis. and talk about that red ... Hiraeth Dec 2015 #19
Oh, I'm just as bad when it comes to color...and speaking of pink... CTyankee Dec 2015 #20
sumptuous. totally. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #21
unbelievable. here we are going into raptures over color in paintings at DU... CTyankee Dec 2015 #22
heh heh. and now I am wondering about the brush strokes. I would love to see this in real life. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #23
see what I mean about those close looks Google affords us...in Starry Night it is absolutely CTyankee Dec 2015 #24
talk about genius !! and the amount of work that man produced. holy moly. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #27
It's weird but I like it. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #26
I have racked my brain and done research to exhaustion and I've come to the conclusion CTyankee Dec 2015 #35
Freud might have a few ideas... The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #45
People put pickle ornaments on Christmas trees. Chellee Jul 2019 #61
Fascinating! I studied Italian Renaissance Art in college and also spent smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #28
Gentileschi is becoming much better known, and with good reason: The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #29
I did. Here ya go... CTyankee Dec 2015 #33
Thanks again! smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #36
Ever since I did an independent study in grad school on Caravaggio, I have been aware of her. CTyankee Dec 2015 #37
What a challenge it must have been for her back then. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #38
I know...here she was a rape victim, forbidden so much access to the art world of her day CTyankee Dec 2015 #39
I spy with my little eye a dovecote in the upper lefthand corner Brother Buzz Dec 2015 #30
ah, yes, so that makes 9 in that corner? CTyankee Dec 2015 #34
Thanks very much for another thoroughly enjoyable post :) - n/t TubbersUK Dec 2015 #31
You can see the love in this painting. navarth Dec 2015 #32
Optical illusions? ananda Dec 2015 #40
well, yes. his use of trompe l'oile is basically an optical illusion...he uses parapets to CTyankee Dec 2015 #42
Hmm.. ananda Dec 2015 #44
I love those pots but I don't see the eyes... CTyankee Dec 2015 #46
eyes and forms ananda Dec 2015 #48
OK. It's all good, ananda... CTyankee Dec 2015 #49
Since I have never seen a pheasant IRL that I can recall I have nothing to compare Crivelli's with. CTyankee Dec 2015 #47
CTyankee -- DU's unsung treasure! Codeine Dec 2015 #41
Hey, Codeine, how are you? CTyankee Dec 2015 #43
That is some seriously alabaster skin. blogslut Dec 2015 #50
I really don't know...hope to make it to the Gardner and I will find out... CTyankee Dec 2015 #55
Thank you. Wonderful as always! N/t livetohike Dec 2015 #51
Marked to read later edhopper Dec 2015 #53
Hi, ed, just thinking about you...I remember that you knew this painting when I CTyankee Dec 2015 #54
Great work edhopper Dec 2015 #56
hard to know what the medieval mind is thinking while painting... CTyankee Dec 2015 #58
I saved this on an open page 'til now ; as always, such a pleasure. Thank you. Hekate Dec 2015 #59
If all goes well, I'll have another essay in another week or so... CTyankee Dec 2015 #60

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
6. I thought so too.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:24 PM
Dec 2015

I wonder if Escher ever saw this painting.

It is fabulous, CTyankee! Thank you so much for the weekly art history lesson.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
8. Interesting thought. I don't know how it got to the National Gallery in London.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:39 PM
Dec 2015

Evidently it was an altarpiece in Ascoli Pescena so he might have seen it there...

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/carlo-crivelli-the-annunciation-with-saint-emidius

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
9. I have to get back before it leaves on Jan. 25th...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:42 PM
Dec 2015

I did see it in London a few years ago (spent one entire day in the National Gallery and damn near killed my back).

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
12. Thanks for the warning...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:50 PM
Dec 2015

I'll have to go on a day where it's just me, because I think I could look at this all day. If the kids are with me, I'll be rushed

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
14. I know, just when you think you've seen it all, another detail comes into view and you
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:58 PM
Dec 2015

you are looking at that transfixed. What would we do without Google? Honestly, how did people even SEE art that close up w/o the wonder of Google? We would miss all those delightful bits you just can't take in w/o a close-up...

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
15. Agree 100%
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:13 PM
Dec 2015

The Internet has been incredible at bringing these works to the masses, and the Internet has provided up close detail that many would never have been able to appreciate. The only caveat I would add is seeing it in person adds a level of visceral connection to a piece. I can think of a few off the top of my head, if you don't mind the indulgence. First, I saw a Monet exhibit as a young teenager, I can still feel the sun setting amongst haystacks and hear the lapping water in the lily pond. Second, while in surgery residency, I was in Chicago for a conference and I spent half an afternoon staring at "Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Georges Seura. It was a laughable Ferris Bueller moment, yes, but I was completely absorbed by the painting and the meticulous style. Finally, Van Gogh's "Stary Night". I never appreciated the piece until I saw it in person. I knew it was painted from the window of his asylum, but seeing it person took my break away. The layers of paint and seemingly erratic but planned brush strokes speak to the level of pain and madness he must have felt at the time, and I never miss a chance to see it when in NYC.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
17. I did an essay on Starry Night here a while back!
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6222063

I was interested in his mental state and that of Emily Dickinson whose life and works I studied in grad school.

I'd love to get back to MoMA...tried back in April but my friend who really wanted to come with me was having big problems with his MS. Will have to reschedule at some point...lots going on...

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
13. My pleasure, roguevalley!
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:53 PM
Dec 2015

I haven't been up to writing any more art posts lately because of my shingles and all the pain it gives me. My painkillers are pretty strong so I am zonked half the time...glad this one got done...I love sharing this artist's work with people...

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
16. I don't know how to say this. I mean it with the utmost respect to the talent but. they are so
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:18 PM
Dec 2015

precise and realistic. The edges are so pristine. Laser sharp ... it is as if ... he painted a photograph.

I hope that makes sense.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
19. without a doubt. pure genuis. and talk about that red ...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:25 PM
Dec 2015

made me think a funny ... little haha

when is red not red ?

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when its pink !
(I know. I know. bad. I crack myself up though.)

Thanks for sharing this. It is just astoundingly wonderful.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
20. Oh, I'm just as bad when it comes to color...and speaking of pink...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:30 PM
Dec 2015

is there anything more fabulous than fra angelico's Gabriel's gown? Oh, man, that pink and gold...

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
22. unbelievable. here we are going into raptures over color in paintings at DU...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:34 PM
Dec 2015

it doesn't take much to get me going...but now I have a "partner in crime"...heh, heh...

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
23. heh heh. and now I am wondering about the brush strokes. I would love to see this in real life.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:38 PM
Dec 2015

The paint, how did he apply it so evenly. The texture. wow.

I think I was over due for this, obviously the primary infighting has gotten to me!

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
24. see what I mean about those close looks Google affords us...in Starry Night it is absolutely
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:57 PM
Dec 2015

incredible.

It makes you want to cry in pain for van gogh...the poor guy...and his poor family members who also had his problems...what a sad thing to happen...

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
27. talk about genius !! and the amount of work that man produced. holy moly.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:31 PM
Dec 2015

tis, a thin line between genius and madness, yes indeed.

and bless Theo, his brother. bless that man.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
26. It's weird but I like it.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:29 PM
Dec 2015

I'm wondering, though, why he painted Mary in red instead of the usual blue?

Also, what's with the apple and the pickle (?) in the foreground?

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
35. I have racked my brain and done research to exhaustion and I've come to the conclusion
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:12 AM
Dec 2015

that while the apple signfies Mary, the cucumber must signifiy Christ. It appears virtually nowhere in the myriad Renaissance fruit/ flower presentations except for Crivelli who also featured it here

Chellee

(2,095 posts)
61. People put pickle ornaments on Christmas trees.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jul 2019

Americans say it's a German tradition, but actual Germans say it isn't. i don't think anyone really knows why.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
28. Fascinating! I studied Italian Renaissance Art in college and also spent
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:35 PM
Dec 2015

a semester abroad in Vienna where I traveled to Rome, Venice and Florence among other places in Italy and have never heard of him. Thank you for the introduction.

Another Italian Renaissance artist that most people have never heard of - the first female master - was Artemesia Gentilleschi. Have you ever done a thread on her? There was a movie based upon her life which I really enjoyed. Before that, I hadn't heard of her either.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
29. Gentileschi is becoming much better known, and with good reason:
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:55 PM
Dec 2015


Technically she's considered a Baroque-era artist - much later than the one in the OP. Things were becoming much more dramatic by then. I believe Gentileschi was a disciple of Caravaggio; you can definitely see the similarities. In some ways she was even better, I think.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
37. Ever since I did an independent study in grad school on Caravaggio, I have been aware of her.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:35 AM
Dec 2015

Alluva sudden she's hot in the modern art world. I even think she surpassed Caravaggio in several respects, and I researched his works exhaustively.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
38. What a challenge it must have been for her back then.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:42 AM
Dec 2015

She was truly an amazing woman as well as an incredible artist.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
39. I know...here she was a rape victim, forbidden so much access to the art world of her day
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:46 AM
Dec 2015

simply because she was a woman...married off by her father (no control over her life except what MEN granted her).

She showed amazing courage AND talent...

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
30. I spy with my little eye a dovecote in the upper lefthand corner
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:56 PM
Dec 2015

A dovecote was a symbol of status and power in Medieval Europe.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
34. ah, yes, so that makes 9 in that corner?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:05 AM
Dec 2015

then there are two birdcages, then several above Mary in the loggia, including that wonderful pheasant...and of course the little Holy Spirit...

navarth

(5,927 posts)
32. You can see the love in this painting.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:07 PM
Dec 2015

This guy had it bad. He was probably sorry when this work was done. Beautiful command of perspective. Great craftsmanship, love in every brushstroke.

Thanks for sharing.

ananda

(28,858 posts)
40. Optical illusions?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:04 AM
Dec 2015

Not only does this painting have three or four separate vanishing points,
but I think I'm seeing optical illusions as well. The peacock's tail isn't
really a tail, and the way the pots are dressed, well ... I started asking
myself whether this was the first foray into optical illusion or not....

Even in his Madonna della Rondine, the two pots above her head on
either side look like odd faces.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
42. well, yes. his use of trompe l'oile is basically an optical illusion...he uses parapets to
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:13 AM
Dec 2015

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great extents deliberately IMO to get this illusion across, esp. the pots seeming to secure the carpets. The cuke and apple crossing the picture line is another.

You have to remember that the vanishing point was "discovered" by Brunelleschi in the early 15th century in Florence (actually it was rediscovered). It was the "thing" about the early Italian Renaissance. Some people were actually afraid of the vanishing point concept, even tho their eyes confirmed its existence. But in paintings it was for some just kind of scary (the idea being that you could just disappear in the distance).

Crivelli uses plunging perspective in such a way that it is quite visceral to the viewer. He seems to enjoy giving us several perspectives at different lengths back given where he places people. No wonder folks were blown away by it...and still are, evidently...

ananda

(28,858 posts)
44. Hmm..
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:26 AM
Dec 2015

I was talking about optical illusion, of the kind that
Dali and Ocampo use .. where the reality of the image
also represents something else.

I'm seeing the peacock feather as a cloth or rug of some
kind; and I'm seeing the big pots configuring into shapes
of men.

In the Madonna della Rondine, I see the pots as very strange
faces with eyes.

Of course, maybe I'm just seeing things, lol.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
46. I love those pots but I don't see the eyes...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:45 PM
Dec 2015

however, I do love the painting...another cuke if I am seeing it straight...wow, Crivelli had a thing for them...one of the major art critics reviewing "annunciation" remarked that cucumbers were pretty rare, if non existent, with any other artist of crivelli's day...he must have loved their texture and how they 'own" their part on the scene...or am I imagining thing...

ananda

(28,858 posts)
48. eyes and forms
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:03 PM
Dec 2015

Well, when you first mentioned "illusion" I found myself looking for optical
illusions. It felt very strange when I actually found them. If that's because
I was looking for them, ok, but now I literally can't unsee them.

It's hard to know what Crivelli intended, especially if I'm the only person in
the world who sees them or has ever seen them. Lol One of the pot shapings
even looks like a birdman. But, iam satis est. Enough of this.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
47. Since I have never seen a pheasant IRL that I can recall I have nothing to compare Crivelli's with.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:48 PM
Dec 2015

A rare bird indeed...

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
41. CTyankee -- DU's unsung treasure!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:12 AM
Dec 2015

I often leave your posts unread for a few days because I know I'm going to need time to savor all the detail and properly absorb the wealth of knowledge and analysis you're sharing.

Thank you as always!

blogslut

(37,999 posts)
50. That is some seriously alabaster skin.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:56 PM
Dec 2015

Was that the artistic fashion of the time or has the color faded?

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
55. I really don't know...hope to make it to the Gardner and I will find out...
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 08:01 AM
Dec 2015

my guess is that time did not do it any favors but at least it was protected against ravages of war or weather...

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
54. Hi, ed, just thinking about you...I remember that you knew this painting when I
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 08:00 AM
Dec 2015

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mentioned it in an exchange...and here it is...

I emailed the link to it to my architect neighbor because of its architectural interest...I always like to hear comments from professionals who do what I do not.

I look forward to your critical thoughts on it...as always...

edhopper

(33,573 posts)
56. Great work
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 11:16 AM
Dec 2015

and i love your essay. You are spot on about his use of reds. And of course what this is, is a masterpiece of perspective.Specifically one point perspective. And I think that is his goal. The subject of his painting is secondary to the rich architectural rendering. Artists of that era were often trapped in the subject matter they could paint. Limited to religious themes and portraits. But they would use these to paint a broader range, concentrating on what they found intriguing.
I think here we can see what Crivelli wanted to paint. And the birds are wonderful too.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
58. hard to know what the medieval mind is thinking while painting...
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 06:09 PM
Dec 2015

but he was obviously taken with the concept of the vanishing point...

will be back before Christmas (I hope) with another artist's work we discussed...George Bellows...

I was in the National Gallery in Washington a few weeks ago and saw his "other" boxing work "Both Members of the Boxing Club." Stopped me dead in my tracks, esp. on that sterile white wall in the Gallery's American Art collection...whammy...

Now that I am looking at some of the details on his boxing stuff and seeing the distorted faces in the crowd, I can only think of Donald Trump and all the haters out there in the political system...it's not new, is it? UGH...

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
60. If all goes well, I'll have another essay in another week or so...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:14 AM
Dec 2015

if you are around...doing the research phase now (always the fun part)...

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