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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Tue May 29, 2012, 03:56 PM May 2012

In less than a month, the SCOTUS ruling on the Affordable Care Act will be released


That will dominate the election discussion for at least a week.

politically speaking will it be better for Obama if they rule for it or against it?

I know it will be bad for America and Obama's legacy if they rule against it... but will it help rile up the voters for the election if they rule against?

Will it take a arrow out of the GOP's election strategy quiver? They are running on repealing it, and they won't have that option if it is overturned by the SCOTUS.


Personally, the more I think about it... I say that I want the SCOTUS to rule properly, and if it hurts/helps Obama then so be it. The PROPER ruling would be to uphold the ACA. But this court is so right-wing, they will twist themselves into pretzels to come up with a rationale for ruling against it.


In any case.... this will hit the campaigns like a grenade when it comes out.
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In less than a month, the SCOTUS ruling on the Affordable Care Act will be released (Original Post) scheming daemons May 2012 OP
The problem if they overturn it Nye Bevan May 2012 #1
By that time, it will be too late, IMO. The ACA will be gone. CTyankee May 2012 #3
When they are polled on what is actually in the law, they like it emulatorloo May 2012 #4
I think that if it allowed to stand, poltically it is a wash. JoePhilly May 2012 #2
Personal Stake in ACA kurt_cagle May 2012 #5

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
1. The problem if they overturn it
Tue May 29, 2012, 03:59 PM
May 2012

is that Romney's promise to repeal it will become meaningless. I am convinced that if they let it stand, it will be one of Obama's major weapons against Romney in the campaign. I'm picturing campaign commercials featuring people with chronic illnesses asking why Romney wants to allow the insurance companies to discriminate against them, for example.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
3. By that time, it will be too late, IMO. The ACA will be gone.
Tue May 29, 2012, 04:04 PM
May 2012

I'm not seeing any polls that say the American people overwhelmingly want the ACA. I don't understand this!

What I can't get through my head is why so many Americans don't want the ACA. At least that's what the MSM is telling us....

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
4. When they are polled on what is actually in the law, they like it
Tue May 29, 2012, 06:16 PM
May 2012

If they are polled on ACA, they think it has death panels in it (etc)

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
2. I think that if it allowed to stand, poltically it is a wash.
Tue May 29, 2012, 04:04 PM
May 2012

Independents are not going to leave Obama if it remains as is. And the angry right wing whack jobs will be no more or less angry.

If the SC tosses the mandate only ... and leaves the rest ... the GOP is screwed because they can't run against the rest of it. The most they can do is say "see, the mandate is bad". But there's no where to go for them past that.

If the SC throws it all out ... I think the make up of the SC becomes an issue. The made the Citizen's United decision, which most hate ... and if they toss the entire ACA, they will easily be labeled as a conservative activist court ... and Dems will run not only against the GOP do nothing congress, but against a extreme right wing court.

No matter what happens, Romney is handcuffed. Any discussion of ACA is a reminder that he proposed the same plan as Gov. The fact that he now disavows it doesn't help.

kurt_cagle

(534 posts)
5. Personal Stake in ACA
Tue May 29, 2012, 08:38 PM
May 2012

I'm one of the information architects working on the technical implementation of the ACA, so obviously have a bit of a stake in seeing it continue past June.

However, having said that, I think it unlikely that the Supreme Court will rule against it. The foundation of the arguments against it - that the government does not have the right to place regulations upon the market when the market transcends state boundaries - has very little legal precedence, while its obverse is well established. Given that's the strongest argument against it, the Supreme Court would be opening up a political fire storm if they voted it down, not so much for the ACA, as for everything from eminent domain to the existence of whole departments of the Federal bureaucracy. My suspicion is that it would be every bit as bad as the Dred Scott decision that ultimately ended up as the catalyst for the Civil War.

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