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Could this be a motive? (Original Post) ellenrr Dec 2015 OP
Anti-vaxxers?! KamaAina Dec 2015 #1
Anti-gmo uppityperson Dec 2015 #19
Militant Vegan? Kilgore Dec 2015 #40
No. LiberalElite Dec 2015 #42
It's the fluoride in the water! uppityperson Dec 2015 #43
That's it! cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #44
Since there are multiple shooters, it seems like it might be a possible attack on a government type still_one Dec 2015 #2
An autism service provider isn't a very good target to win fans n/t FreeState Dec 2015 #6
no, but it is a soft target. Neither was the Oaklahoma Federal building which killed many children still_one Dec 2015 #10
Have there been other multi-shooter attacks on government facilities that are precedent for cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #48
99% chance this is an ISIS-inspired terrorist attack Oneironaut Dec 2015 #3
How did you come up with that number? Renew Deal Dec 2015 #4
Just used in a similar to way to "Very high chance" Oneironaut Dec 2015 #5
Really? Which ones? Renew Deal Dec 2015 #11
Re: Oneironaut Dec 2015 #20
Betcha you said the same about Colorado Springs. trumad Dec 2015 #26
Nope Oneironaut Dec 2015 #27
Yeah ---sure. trumad Dec 2015 #28
and Sandy Hook Hekate Dec 2015 #35
To answer your points one by one... Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #39
From where I stand, it has the earmarks -- Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2015 #12
Has the earmarks of Sovereign Citizen types. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #17
Agree Renew Deal Dec 2015 #23
It has the earmarks of multiple assholes with guns. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #34
+gazillion!!! one_voice Dec 2015 #38
That would be my bet. Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #41
Pulled it out of his rectum. Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2015 #16
Yeah, but these are just wannabes at best Warpy Dec 2015 #8
Yet, all the experts on the TeeVee are saying domestic terrorism. justiceischeap Dec 2015 #9
Based on what? HuckleB Dec 2015 #13
See #20 Oneironaut Dec 2015 #21
It doesn't add up. HuckleB Dec 2015 #29
BULLSHIT!!!!! eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #14
no reports from witnesses that the guys were yelling anything religious Marrah_G Dec 2015 #47
earlier it was said that someone left that dinner angry 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #7
Just heard that again with Shep Smith. Left and came back with two more people. Shots and RKP5637 Dec 2015 #31
Could WHAT be a motive? ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #15
something to do with the dept of Health, like ellenrr Dec 2015 #18
The specific group seems to have been targeted. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #25
no, nothing has. this is me speculating.. ellenrr Dec 2015 #46
That is what the police say too muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #22
Thank you. 1 can simply be a personal grudge, 3 is something else. uppityperson Dec 2015 #32
ABC just mentioned that this could be "domestic terrorism" eom LiberalElite Dec 2015 #24
Could be. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #37
Yes, certainly. H2O Man Dec 2015 #30
Arms industry wants a sales bump. Always gets more sales after a shooting. nt valerief Dec 2015 #33
I would suggest that it is an anti-socialism attack, which leads me to believe that it is madinmaryland Dec 2015 #36
Everything is pure speculation at this point. Tipperary Dec 2015 #45
^this Marrah_G Dec 2015 #49
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
44. That's it!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:40 PM
Dec 2015

It was three white guys with children on the autistic spectrum.

Heck maybe it was Cliven Bundy and his two sons.

still_one

(92,126 posts)
2. Since there are multiple shooters, it seems like it might be a possible attack on a government type
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

facility


 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
48. Have there been other multi-shooter attacks on government facilities that are precedent for
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:42 PM
Dec 2015

this kind of speculation?

Oneironaut

(5,491 posts)
5. Just used in a similar to way to "Very high chance"
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:04 PM
Dec 2015

This has all of the earmarks of radical Islamic terrorism.

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
11. Really? Which ones?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

This is the first time I've heard about Islamic terrorists attacking a county health department. Foreign terrorists usually go after bigger targets and fight to the end.

Oneironaut

(5,491 posts)
20. Re:
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:12 PM
Dec 2015

- Multiple shooters. You almost never see that for someone with a grudge or right-wing terrorists.
- What you said is also true of right wing terrorists: a county health department office still seems like a weird target
- The whole coordinated pickup with the SUV. This was planned.
- Forming a group of shooters to shoot civilians doesn't seem like the right wing terrorist MO. A bomb, sure. It just seems similar to a terror cell attack.
- Use of rifles, body armor, masks, etc.

I guess we'll see, but my guess would be an ISIS-inspired terrorist cell. They aren't necessarily foreign - could just be Americans inspired by ISIS.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
39. To answer your points one by one...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:37 PM
Dec 2015

- We just had an attack by right-wing terrorists in my home state last week, multiple gun men shot five people at a Black Lives Matter protest. I am not aware of any attacks in the US that have involved multiple gunmen with ties to ISIS. While such attacks have happened in other parts of the world here in the US right-wing groups are a far bigger threat than ISIS.

- While we do not know the motive for the shooting we do know that there are fringe groups in this country that are vehemently opposed to psychiatric care, a health clinic could be a target for such a group. (I emphasize however that this is pure speculation, we really have no clue as to what the motive is at this time.

-It was almost certainly planned, but being a planned attack does not mean it was planned by ISIS.

-You don't think right-wing groups who obsess over guns seem likely to use those guns they obsess over? I don't even understand why you would believe that the right-wing would be more likely to use bombs. While there certainly have been right-wing bombings, the fact is that guns are extremely popular among right-wing militia groups.

- Rifles, body armor and masks are common among militia groups.

While I would not rule out the possibility of ISIS, I think a right-wing domestic group seems more likely.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
12. From where I stand, it has the earmarks --
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

of crazy, domestic white guys. We've had FAR more incidents of that kind of terrorism that of from that of crazy "islamic" types.

Warpy

(111,241 posts)
8. Yeah, but these are just wannabes at best
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:05 PM
Dec 2015

The real thing want to be killed in a hail of gunfire so they'll go to heaven as martyrs. Well, unless they're the planners, suppliers, and other puppet masters.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
9. Yet, all the experts on the TeeVee are saying domestic terrorism.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 PM
Dec 2015

I'm guessing they know something we don't.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
47. no reports from witnesses that the guys were yelling anything religious
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:41 PM
Dec 2015

Which is a thing they generally do.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
7. earlier it was said that someone left that dinner angry
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:05 PM
Dec 2015

and also that that was where the shooting started.

RKP5637

(67,103 posts)
31. Just heard that again with Shep Smith. Left and came back with two more people. Shots and
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:22 PM
Dec 2015

then left. Authorities never saw any suspects in building, they were gone.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
18. something to do with the dept of Health, like
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015

an attack on health care.
I'm not suggesting a rational motive. there is no rational motive.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
25. The specific group seems to have been targeted.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:19 PM
Dec 2015

That is probably related to the unknown motive. However, nothing of a actual motive has yet to be suggested.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,300 posts)
22. That is what the police say too
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:16 PM
Dec 2015
Rick Serrano
?@RickSerranoLAT

caiif mass shooting: police chief confirms the county group meeting was targeted, not the health center.

https://twitter.com/RickSerranoLAT/status/672176189470019584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

With 3 of them, I would guess it's not a personal grudge, but an anti-government thing. But we should find out, if they do have at least one in custody.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
36. I would suggest that it is an anti-socialism attack, which leads me to believe that it is
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:31 PM
Dec 2015

a Tea Party/Anti-government/NRA type of attack.

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